As an avid bowhunter on both public and private land and, professionally, a statistician, Here are my observations about hunting in Michigan. Where I have spent my entire life. 1. As long as hunters continue to selfishly, go after bucks, Regardless of deer herd management, You will continue to have a problem. 2. As long as the d n r remains as arrogant as they have for the last twenty five years, All the recommendations from those people actually suffering under the existing situation will never change. 3. Related to number 2., I can guarantee you that That the conclusions that they draw from the surveys are indeed skewed. They are not only skewed, but I suspect have been manipulated To continue to purport a narrative, buy the d. N. R., Which is essentially one of laziness and incompetence. Just my opinion of course

Never heard my dad complain about deer hunting...45+ years of just Michigan public land and he did good some years and didn't see a deer worth the drag other years but never complained about what everyone seems to cry about now.

That government is best which governs least. Dnr works for big insurance. Change my mind.

@scootter37

18 күн бұрын

Spot on. Though they are number one, its not just insurance but also many other "stake holders" as Chad Stewart calls them. Hunters are the lowest ranking on the list. Insurance Co, Big timber Co, Wolf groups, Farm groups, all rank higher in their needs first than hunters themselves. The NRC board which is appointed by the governor which all them are being influenced by special interest, these are who have final say on any change. Stewart is just a tool and a face with no actual control.

Hunting has turned into a big buck culture. Social media has a lot to do with it.

@Costanza2014

10 күн бұрын

So does the Real Tree Outdoors and all the other TV Shows showing monster bucks being shot. Everyone wants to get a monster around every tree. I have always been happy with a doe if she is mature. Heck there were years where I only saw 1 yearling so well that would be my trophy that season. I now hunt private property and can be more selective. I can also say that small tracks of land are being hindered without being able to bait. I have been hunting since 1993 and have hunted farms with 400 acres or more and then also 10 acre and 20 acre parcels. There are differences in strategies on different size tracks. The decline in hunting is because of a few things but in my opinion there are two factors, No Baiting and too many soy boys that don't do guy things.

I like the idea of 1 buck better than APR's now, shoot whatever you consider a trophy, but you get 1 so make it the one you want. Doe only youth hunts sounds like an interesting way to get new hunters to think about deer management too.

@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym

18 күн бұрын

Also, why cant they mail everyone that buys a license a survey? Or Have a online survey on the DNR website using your tag somehow. Shouldn't be too complicated.

@robertpeet3781

12 күн бұрын

​@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ymyou have to understand that would cost them money and they in the business of making money not management.........

@JimBowSlice

11 күн бұрын

I like what wisconsin does. One bow tag one gun tag. It's up to you as a hunter to control yourself. Wisconsin has giants

@Costanza2014

10 күн бұрын

Here is a question, what happens around you when a doe is shot early in season? Do you still see bucks or any mature bucks? Or do you only see bucks at night on camera? For me once youth season and early doe end the bucks go nocturnal and I don't see them until Halloween.

@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym

10 күн бұрын

@@Costanza2014 I think over hunting a property has been worse for me than killing a doe early season. I try to leave a spot alone for a few days to a week at least, regardless if i kill something or not. How you enter and exit is huge too, some properties are just really hard to hunt.

The government breaks everything it touches. The less regs the better.

In mid-Michigan we have a half dozen families who own small wood lots in the same section. Every deer hunter in each family has two buck tags. I wonder why seeing a mature buck is so rare?

@adamlewis_outdoor

18 күн бұрын

Very true

@7.62dog5

17 күн бұрын

Maybe they are not interested in trophies... some just need food. Bidenomics isn't working so well.

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

So you think a small landowner should not be able to shoot what he wants on his land? I never age or count points before I shoot it

@danielwendling7240

11 күн бұрын

⁠That’s correct. That’s why we have regulations in the first place. A deer doesn’t spend his whole life on one small property. Not sure what your thinking is where certain people can do whatever they want. How would that help the deer herd?

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

@@danielwendling7240 So I guess you think the big landowners should be able to control what the small ones can do on their land? When I lived on Dad's 1200 acre farm, he never tried to tell his neighbors what to do, now that I'm retired and only have 30 acres some prick like you is not going to tell what I can do

One buck period, and no matter what Michigan does it will not be impactful and still one of the worst states to hunt for any type of buck age structure. They will change the rules next year and so on and so on because they cannot make a real management plan or become a destination state for hunting. Been in Michigan my whole life, own a farm out of state for this exact reason

One buck period!

@Costanza2014

10 күн бұрын

Not sure where you hunt but I see way more bucks than doe on our property. I see 7 bucks of all sizes and usually 4 doe thru-out the entire season. I believe it is related to 10 does per person and everyone around me wanting to shoot huge antlered bucks so they pass everything unless they are 4 1/2 or more. That also is bad for a deer heard. Keep taking the doe and well no more deer are born.

@gordonneverdies

9 күн бұрын

​@@Costanza2014 Seeing more bucks than does is wild. I couldn't even imagine.

The problem with Does resides on the private land. Time and time again I hear private owners say “but the does bring the bucks in” lol. They have 6-15 does around and won’t shootem

@PBAdventures146

17 күн бұрын

I have a friend who says that very thing. But when you have a small piece of private property, you do all you can to keep the bucks and hope they don't go to their neighbors.

@Costanza2014

10 күн бұрын

I am curious, How do fawns get here? If all does are shot how do deer not go extinct? I only hunt private land and used to only hunt public. I see way too many people shooting doe and letting "small bucks" go and now where I am at the doe numbers are way down. There needs to be a give and take, if you shoot a buck shoot a doe if you shoot two doe don't shoot a doe next year. If you get two bucks next season shoot two doe. It is a numbers game and we each have to get better at keeping the numbers. It really comes down to all of us the DNR are never going to be able to fix over population of "us" hunters over populating the land.

Let’s be honest. Most of the so called hunters that complain, spend 10 for a base and 40 for the combo. Look at the surveys, MOST people eat their tags. They come up empty. Especially the gotta get that buck people. Most people I see end up shooting a very small buck and don’t take much more meat than the lions and straps. It’s all about pride, it’s mostly a “look what I got” atmosphere. “Tags cost too much, there’s no bucks, too many hunters not enough land, blah, blah” I shoot two deer a year and I don’t care what they are just that they are of medium built and age and not too fired up from rut or pressure. Because you get better tasting meat that way. I average 120lbs of meat from two deer. Cost up to 350 to get them both butchered. That’s 400 dollars for 120lbs of good meat with lions and back straps, jerky, sausages, deer burger. 120 lbs of hamburger cost approximately 840 dollars at the grocery store. How is hunting and tags too expensive? We shoot deer, duck, geese, pheasant, rabbits, turkey and do lots of fishing. We save literally thousands a year at the grocery store. It is not more expensive to hunt or too expensive. People have the wrong mentality, especially if you’re buying combo tags, not filling them, and paying close to 900 for 120lbs of hamburger anyway at the store plus all the new hunting equipment you buy EVERY year. It’s crazy but that’s why you complain. Enough of the pride bs. Get your meat, it’s literally what hunting is for.

The fact is the state gained $18,424,788 just for the 2023 deer season. That is if every hunter only bought one permit. Assuming half of the hunters purchased 2 tags then the state gained $24,368,268 yet they are broke. Seems outlandish to me...

1 buck I think should be the limit. Not to increase big bucks in Michigan, but to encourage more does being taken.

@dalecarroll5622

12 күн бұрын

I was lucky enough to hunt western Kentucky a couple times. The one buck rule works. Totally different deer herd.

@robertpeet3781

12 күн бұрын

You dont understand where bucks come from , you shoot does you are killing bucks , I cant believe people dont get that.........

Well..not much will change for myself as a traditional bow hunter..I get satisfaction just being out hunting..and its icing on the cake if I get close enough to get a ethical shot. usually a couple stumps get stuck for fun on the way in and Antlers..or smooth skull, venison tastes great. My trophy is in the ability to do it by skill alone.

IN MICHIGAN IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, THEY COULD CARE A LESS THE DEER HEARD😅

@adamlewis_outdoor

18 күн бұрын

Their goals are lacking for sure

@farmeroutdoors4742

18 күн бұрын

Money was not discussed during the DMI process.

@personalprojectile

18 күн бұрын

Their goals come from car insurance companies..... ​@@adamlewis_outdoor

@user-hs5me4dw4n

18 күн бұрын

@@adamlewis_outdoor I've hunted since the 70s, here in mid Michigan.I seen the herd of deer go from seeing a 100 does and two spikes on opening day, to 4 or 5 does and maybe one nice 130 class? It needs to be micro managed, maybe by a square mile in some cases.🤔

@user-hs5me4dw4n

18 күн бұрын

@@adamlewis_outdoor You can't use bait. To many cameras, state land mind you.I feel like I'm walking in a wal mart parking lot 😓.I believe the youth hunt is a shame!

Baiting issue is kind of silly. Deer have close contact year round. If it's an issue then why don't we more documented cases in Thumb area for instance? It's again about government control/limiting hunters.

How about lowering the cost of doe permits. Here, shoot does and pay $20 a tag in this economy?

@greatlakeshuntingandtracki5450

15 күн бұрын

20$ isn’t a lot of money

@charlie21gunner87

14 күн бұрын

@@greatlakeshuntingandtracki5450 It's not $20, it's $31 for one tag. You forgot the base license, so basically you are paying almost a dollar a pound for the meat. That is before other fees such as gas, processing, ammo, etc. etc.

@greatlakeshuntingandtracki5450

14 күн бұрын

@@charlie21gunner87 if you’re hunting for purely economic value and not the passion of hunting or conservation, you’re probably better off working on your career making more money would be a better return on investment for you.

@charlie21gunner87

14 күн бұрын

@@greatlakeshuntingandtracki5450 I hunt for the passion for sure but ultimately I also feed my family, manage the herd in my area, and also manage the land on our farm. If I can do that economically all the better.

@blauer2551

10 күн бұрын

So for about half an hours work that tag empties your wallet?

How about a mandatory survey after season that everyone has to submit from like January to April online or mailed. Simple form with your deer harvested along with questions about deer numbers seem throughout season and hunter numbers etc. And you should just have to report harvest location by township not exact location and regulate from there, most northern lower townships dont need as many doe permits as most southern lower townships. Not a one size fits all situation for the whole state.

@user-hs5me4dw4n

15 күн бұрын

Maybe

MI DNR needs to be criminally charged for what theyve done to our public land. deforestation for their own profits, its sick

I saw to many bucks and not enough does last year in me trip Detroit, season was boring, we need more does around

Never understood the whole 30 point buck b.s. 120 150 lb buck or doe I hunt to put meat in the freezer period.

@blauer2551

10 күн бұрын

If a 140# doe is standing with a 140# ten point which are you shooting?

I don't like that you have to pin your kill on a map.

@adamlewis_outdoor

12 күн бұрын

Most don’t put it where they shot it.. kind of non-helpful data how they do it

DNR manages for their wallet. They couldnt care less about their customers.

Hunt to eat, that just might help 😊..Young children? "Your gutting this out".No chicken nuggs 😂

I can't speak on Michigan but the antler restriction in NY State is a fail. The buck size increase is from drop in hunting pressure. NY State is shooting off the best buck by saying 3 on a side restriction. The 3 on the size bucks should walk. As 50% of the 3 on a side bucks are 1 1/2 year old. They save inferior bucks to grow which weaken the Superior genetics pool.

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Yeah I’m for 1 buck tag over aprs due to this and other reasons. Thanks for your input!

@AdamRohrbacher

17 күн бұрын

I saw this in michigan after a 2 yr trial in my county of APRs. The mature bucks for the next couple years i caught on camera were mostly 8pts. Probably because the future 10 and 12s were 4+ on one side at 1 1/2 and 2 1/2. I do think it helped a ton. But you identified a big downside

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

Correct CO figured out years ago that aprs, done more harm than good and dropped them

If the dnr wants more does shot maybe offer so many free doe tags per person.

It used to be when I started hunting you could that it was hard to get a doe license buck only unless you had a doe

How about drop the doe tag prices. Yeah everyone wants to shoot their 2 bucks. But why make them the same price? Just my thoughts

I think we need to get skip sligh on here and show us how to interact with the legislation. Hes doing alot in iowa and hes a michigan native

Interesting that Miller wants feelings out of it and to go off the stats, but puts feelings into it when it comes to youth and taking grandpa hunting. Youth season should be doe only. If the kid cuts his teeth on doe and actually enjoys hunting and sticks with it then he should be allowed to buy a buck tag, but regular season. Shooting a trophy buck at 5 years old in its summer pattern during youth and never being able to top it is not how you retain hunters. It gives them nothing to strive for. It’s the same mentality as everyone getting a trophy for sports and everyone’s a winner, That’s toxic and unrealistic. You’re teaching kids that chasing antlers is what matters and not the actual management of the herd. This is not the North American model for wildlife management. One buck tag would be fine. Put an apr on the one tag, that’s fine too. I see guys every year who shoot spikes to be able to say they shot a buck rather than shoot a doe, and I talk to a lot of people due to my line of work. The culture has to change and it’s going to have to start with the youth. The training wheels analogy was correct, those training wheels are doe.

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Good thoughts

It all starts with taking care of the deers habitat, and for the last 20 years MI has clear cut everything that they possibly can, destroying huge, huge swaths of habitat for all animals. and people are wondering why ALL hunting has gone to shit in MI. because the DNR are fricken terrible at their jobs and need to be replaced. look at Crawford county, theres like 10 acres of public forrest left, theyve cut down everything else. THE DNR HAVE TO GO, thyre f-ing terrible at what we pay them to do

Curious about HAP land. The DNR says it's too expensive. In my area, Genesee Co. used to have 8 sites the last yr. First, i heard it was about CWD. Then it came back that guides/people were outbidding what DNR was paying. Why not pay farmer per acre price. But then offer them tax credits they can use going forward for 3 to 5 years. Secondly, if a farmer files for crop depredation compensation, why not allocate X number of doe only tags for the public. Why didn't DNR publicize goals in conjunction with say a 10 to 20 question form that can be compiled into regional suggestions.

@adamlewis_outdoor

11 күн бұрын

Good questions .. they’re not good at solving problems

Is there any proof or evidence that having more mature bucks in a state will sell more tags? It seems like it would. Might be something to show Chad Stewart if it’s true.

I'm all about getting kids into the woods and teaching them good woodsman skills.. I feel taking a 8yr old kid into the woods and taking a nice mature buck in September isn't teaching the kids anything. When I was a kid, we had to have had a hunters safety certificate and had to wait until I was 12yr old to use archery equipment and at least 14yr to have rifle with an adult. But that taught me alot about hunting and woods but I was at an age I was retaining the information and had the drive to better myself every year. A lot of these youth hunters 7-10yr old for example are not learning anything about hunting and to be honest I know that a 8yr old kid is not shooting this nice big buck at 300yrd with a 300win mag... pretty sure dad "helped". I know that's not every case but I know for a fact it happens a lot.. Needs to be looked at more of an education stand point vs the money side of it

Create a HAP permit. I get it’s expensive but likely not much over lease prices. If the HAP land gave me lots of acreage options id jump at the chance to buy a $200 permit to hunt on a chunk of land that limits hunters. If it was divided into zones and each hunter signed a zone i would like that even more. I get its the honor system but typically hunters like to stay away from eachother

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

I like this idea. I also like the idea of limited areas where you sign in by private ID number - so it is clear where areas are pressured or not, and hunt quality is better due to knowing this up front

@OG_Outdoorz

11 күн бұрын

Increase the cost of a deer tag by $1. This is then solely allocated HAP land funding or create a HAP $5 stamp. Which is required to hunt HAP land.

@JimBowSlice

11 күн бұрын

There is a big hunt on some great ground in michigan that you have to draw a tag. Took me 4 years best expirence of my life.

I appreciate that you are bringing this topic forward, but this video just rambles along seemingly without a plan or purpose. Hard to watch...

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Thanks yes this was a little different for us being a co-aired podcast. Check out some of our other shows as it’s more topic driven for each episode and we go through a curriculum

One buck (or one archery buck and one firearm buck)and lower the cost of doe tags. Our family each person bought 6 tags every year and once they raised the prices everyone dropped to one tag or they just used their buck tag for a doe. We hunt for food once its cheaper to raise meat we quit hunting. Not to mention QDMA people around us won't let people do drives anymore like they used to back when everyone farmed. Also why not work with more farmers giving out more damage permits and add them to the hunters helping land owners. As we live off deer meat having a health herd is important. This is michigan to quit comparing to other states. If you think other states do better move there. Also against mandatory reporting, make it voluntary with incentives like $5 off a license or something. Just my thoughts. The economy is so bad raising prices will just make alot of poor people quit hunting. Willing to listen and change mind if it makes sense.

If a hunter gets 2 bucks why would he need or want a doe

Grew up in MI and still like to keep up on things happening there. Don't really agree with Adam Miller on the youth hunt if I understand his perspective. I support a Doe only youth hunt and the data shows it per your comments earlier. At that age they should be excited to harvest a Doe and it's better for the State as a whole. It's up to the parents to educate on the need for this, not just shoot bucks to say you got a buck. Agree on earn a buck too, I know several States have done this that I've hunted in. I could go into more reasons, but hopefully MI is figuring it out.

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Thanks yes hopefully!

@robertherringshaw2597

13 күн бұрын

Michigan one buck and does only for any hunt before the bow season. That will change everything.

@blauer2551

10 күн бұрын

It will keep a lot of dads from getting big bucks with their 3 year olds.

Big money special interests groups

Seems like younger hunter numbers are dropping is because weve made it so easy for them starting out with crossbows extra seasons. I was born in 1984 almost everone hunted when i was in school. Getting my first deer with my Browning compound hooked me for life, the challenge,rush etc. kids starting now mostly use crossbows and its not enough challenge to make them addicted and passionate about hunting, making archery season super easy is not making more lifelong hunters

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Agree, and there are cultural things too at play, things transitioned from sustenance to sport more

@bukslaygrunter5072

17 күн бұрын

@@adamlewis_outdoor Absolutely right the cultural situation is really the root of the problem. And for the people that argue against making youth season a doe tag, dont realize most hunters first deer is a doe mine was and most fellow hunters in my age group was when youre young and trying to bag your first deer its not about antlers its about the experience. Hopefully youth seasons will change to doe only!

@PBAdventures146

17 күн бұрын

Yea but you didn't have x-box either most likely.. unfortunately, entertainment is so easy these days that having to work hard to get a deer has become a turn-off to teens. Back the in the day and til now that's what drives me. But very different lives than teens now.

@normankaster917

16 күн бұрын

You forgot we didn't have any youth seasons let alone clothing and gear tailored for us. We had to be 12 to bow hunt and 14 years old to use a firearm and if you were lucky enough to have a dad that would let you use his 20 gauge with slugs or a 30-30 of you hunted up north other wise you rattled your brain shooting a 12 gauge with 3" slugs or dad's 30-06. God do I remember that chit show

Go back to that but with a doe then u could get a tag for a buck people want to get a buck and not shoot a buck

New Michigan deer shirts for sale. WWID. What would Iowa do.

The DNR is a joke

I still have a pregnant doe around the house...in central Michigan 200 day gestation Today is the 185th day of the year. That about puts conception around Jan 1 assuming she births in next 2 weeks.

@knuckledragger2412

16 күн бұрын

Same. We have one doe on camera the night of the 4th still holding

@brushcrawler8612

16 күн бұрын

@@knuckledragger2412 I have a lot of bucks too. Spikes on up. Has to be damn close to 1:1 if not better. Makes me wonder if some does hold off on estrus longer than others. Doesn't make sense.

@brushcrawler8612

14 күн бұрын

@@knuckledragger2412 She gave birth over the last 2 days 🦌 Conception would have been around the 20th of Dec.

@knuckledragger2412

14 күн бұрын

Just got a photo of that mama minutes ago. She is still carrying. I expect to see a little one anytime now.

One buck per year gets my vote. I'm very tired of the Hee-Hawing year after year. You will never make everyone happy. Make the law with science based reasoning. I'm tired of this emotional bantering about this youth season. I have two boys that are accomplished hunters that only hunted the regular season with everyone else. They are very proud to be able to say that. If the "Land Manager" is in their blood they will take inventory of animals on the property and surrounding area and harvest accordingly. No one in my family made me into a hunter, I was born that way. One doe and One Buck per year per person is reasonable.

This is the ethics of the Hunter I had 2 6 pointers and a 4 on my stand last year I didn't take any of them.. I took five doe 2 with my my tag and bought the other 3 for $20 each. I think people need to get ethics in their hunt and start stepping away from them smaller bucks. It seems that people see a rack and all common sense goes out the window and think nothing of the future..

@tmoney8785

13 күн бұрын

There's nothing unethical about taking whatever is legal. It would be better to grow big bucks, but nothing unethical about it

@martypopeye8236

3 күн бұрын

Have you hunted public in Michigan? Just look at most of the guys out there.

There is only one way to have better bucks, let them grow. Only one way to better even the M to F numbers. Force hunters to fill doe tags. Cant kill bucks in September and expect a better herd. Also cant expect to make a hunter by doing this. Either you love it or you do not, no amount of influence will change that. I skipped school to hunt. Lost jobs over hunting. Tried to make all my kids the same. Only my daughter has that itch, one son could take it or keave it and the other son doesn't like killing animals. I never forced it, just presented the opportunity that was always available. The avid hunters are the ones who will get it done. They just need to implement a scientific plan and closely monitor the results in order to make proper adjustments.

I still wonder why there is even a youth hunt. Kids under 10 shooting a deer seems wrong to me. I have been hunting since I was 12. Killing anything seemed to me was the "coming of age". I was present with my father in law and my nephew after my nephew shot his first deer in youth season. He was 10 and has never hunted again. My son went when he was 12 and he hunted with me until he was 16. Then well girls came along and he stopped. Originally back when youth season started I bet it was 90% of the Dad's shot the deer and just took their kids out with them to cover the story. Now with crossbows it may not be the case. I am all for getting kids out hunting but I still don't see why they get a special season for it and why is it before archery season "the hardest season to get a deer"? Why not allow youth season to be two days before rifle season and make it an archery season only. That way they are out while the rut is going on and have a challenge to give them something to work hard for all season and not just two days of the fall. When I started archery I shot bow every day from March on thru October. Now that is a thing of the past.

Adam Miller doesn't want to face reality.

@adamlewis_outdoor

18 күн бұрын

How so, on what topic?

@mikecross2435

16 күн бұрын

@@adamlewis_outdoor Not wanting regulation to shoot more does/ antler regs. I don't know what the magic combo of rule is, but we need to try something until we get it right. We've had to kick people out of the hunting club for not shooting does.

The youth hunt should be does only , the big buck doesn't even get to bread ,you need does to get more bucks.

My opinion. You either +2 regular tag combo with 2 doe. Or leave the 2 buck raise points to +2, restricted +4 with doe. Price. $55

@screaminseaman6121

13 күн бұрын

Make doe tags 5 dollars. If farmers get block permits for 30+ does for free its easily done for hunters too.

Michigan has deer $cience, more $ than -cience. Look below, we can't be satisfied. The DNR needs less talking heads, less explaining, and less ping-pong policy. Put those dollars toward NATURAL RESOURCES. The NRC only has 2/7 members with a science degree, scrap more wasted time and money. Simply steward the resources and have more money… to steward resources.

Heard enough BS from that there Adam Miller guy.

we only have 60% of the deer hunters than in the 70's

@adamlewis_outdoor

16 күн бұрын

True! How do we reach more hunters… see this podcast for thoughts on that kzread.info/dash/bejne/np5mm6pvlKuelJM.htmlsi=s0_KZlLmh7F41wiB

@randyharrington2653

15 күн бұрын

​@adamlewis_outdoor your fighting a whole political party. Teaching kids in school all guns are bad, killing animals are bad. And a 21 year old age minimum law for owning even a shotgun does nothing for getting teens into hunting. Parents that try to get their kids into hunting have a constant battle against what the kids are brainwashed with every day.

@joshporter8572

13 күн бұрын

And most people cannot find good land to hunt

The youth hunt doesn’t work

I think they need to have more questions when you report your deer like how wide the spread is and number of points and measurements like illinois does when u report so we can work on our age structure

@robertpeet3781

12 күн бұрын

You think they want a healthy deer herd , if they did they would listen to hunters , and they dont..........

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

That is pure stupid

Longer hunting season have it open till February or March

Doe only youth hunts is a joke. That's what all the guys that complain about kids shooting big bucks.

@adamlewis_outdoor

12 күн бұрын

There are much bigger reasons, as I mentioned in the podcast. Education and culture change being #1

The best way to increase hunter numbers is to bring back baiting! The regular Joe, who's hunting public land will see more deer, increasing his hunting experience, whether he kills deer or not!

8 point or bigger would be good

@robertlivingston1634

14 күн бұрын

The problem with managing by points is it has nothing to do with age class and most hunters can't determine age, we've been managing antler point restrictions for decades now and I see smaller brow tines and smaller racks, some bucks don't even have brow tines I believe because spikes are picking up the slack during breeding season.

@Draintheswamp2024

13 күн бұрын

@@robertlivingston1634 maybe because there are only small bucks after the ones bigger than a spike get killed, I hunted 500 acres in Michigan and opening day I heard 3 shots coming from the road and I will be dammed to see one bigger than an 8 point. add poaching to the mess.

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

Screw that stupid bs

My two cents People who get surveys and dont fill them out should not be able to hunt. Nor should they complain about how the deer are managed. Deer Hunting is all about aquistion of a Trophy. No one feeds their family on deer meat. They may supplement there food supply. The expense to deer hunt for food (unless you poach) does not make sense. its cheaper to buy your food in a store. I want to kill bucks during October/November. No interest in killing doe. Earn A Buck is flawed. Just give me more cheap doe tags and one buck tag. I can go to other states to shoot more bucks. Farmers complain about deer eating ther crops then will not allow you to hunt on their property. Its easy to kill does and reduce population. Just need opertunity. Why do people complain about antler point restrictions but they dont complain about size limits on fish? Youth should be able to shoot a buck. I teach my children to find and pick out there own places to hunt. We only have public land to hunt. Its great to give them oportunity before adults pressure the deer. Doe only crap is bull. My daughters told me they have no interest in going out to shoot doe. It is ridiculous to say restricting the youth hunt will educate kids to shoot more doe. Increase oportunity to shoot doe. Open Early and Late doe seasons to Public Land. Teach farmers to allow people to hunt deer on their lands. Sadly....Hunting is coming to an end. Your not going to out recruit the loss of interest in hunting. Oh I shot zero bucks and 4 does last season. Passed on lots of little fellas.

@user-hs5me4dw4n

19 күн бұрын

You must be a dem O crap

@user-hs5me4dw4n

19 күн бұрын

Don't like the truth?

@homeinthewhiteoaks

19 күн бұрын

I think my state Indiana has done a good job with its regulations. We recently went to a one buck state, and we have never allowed baiting. Most counties have a 3 doe limit. I have seen a slight drop in doe numbers, with an increase in buck numbers. The size of our bucks is also better than ever across the state. The reduction of does has also made it easier to do property management due to better browsing habits. I’m not seeing the heavy browse lines we had in the 90’s and 2000’s.

@farmeroutdoors4742

18 күн бұрын

Keep your eye out for the Hunt Michigan Collaborative (HMC) We will be piloting the idea of organized hunts on farmland to provide access to hunters and reduce doe on farmland (HMC Farm Tour). The HMC was a non-regulatory recommendation voted on by the LP DMI with 22 yes, 0 no, and 2 abstain.

@adamlewis_outdoor

18 күн бұрын

How will you get private land owner buy in?

OBR won’t improve anything

@adamlewis_outdoor

17 күн бұрын

Why not?

@66rmw

17 күн бұрын

@@adamlewis_outdoorwe already had it in Mi , and someone who is going to shoot a immature buck will anyway. Look at the data APR’s work and Mi is a special candidate because of the number of hunters compared to other states. People always tout OBR as the answer because other states have it . The NW 12 and private ground all over the state and country prove APR’s and appropriate doe harvest work . I hunt in the tb zone , we manage our habitat and herd and it works .

@66rmw

17 күн бұрын

Agree with the doe only youth season. Also more small game hunting at a young age. When they worry about hunter recruitment it shouldn’t be just deer hunters

😮😮Number one we're not telling the kid you can't take a deer. I've never seen nor heard of anybody telling, anybody, from the youth hunt, you can't take a deer. Liberalism, BS. And you're assuming that they are quality parents? Or relatives, or any type of elders trying to show the kids the right way. And if I was with my grandpa, and he seen a fork horn, on his last hunt. He definitely would have passed it by, and would have been very thankful, he was able to see a young buck on his last hunt. Knowing, it was going to be bigger the next year. So I don't hold much water inwhat Adam M. says. Not sure many others do. Why give the kid the biggest trophy out there. Statistics show, it doesn't work. They don't come back, they wanted to happen every year, they get frustrated, start getting more into girls, whatever... Why not let them take does. Help the herd, as Adam preaches. But he don't want to help the herd, when he can? Typical. Hypocritical BS. I say, let them take does, or put a limit, say eight point. Teach them to enjoy the hunt for the right reasons. Don't just give them the biggest trophy in the woods, because someone talked them into trying it. And yes Adam, maybe both of Adams, I'm talking from experience. He said, his kids were young, he's still got a boatload of parenting to do. My kids are grown, have morals, values and proper perspectives in life. There's no doubt they are a100% positive influence / input in society. They don't get there, by giving them everything they want.😮. Teach them the essence of the hunt, correctly. Nothing wrong with that😊. Love to see them expand the muzzleloader season. The baiting rules r BS. Although most people I've talked to, have admitted they've become better deer hunters, because they can't just put a pile out. So that's a good thing. But yeah, we all know they don't regulate, nor seem to give it two s****. As for the DNR/DML part, not sure where to begin. Where I'm at, I'd probably say, 80% or better we're not going to call in to the DNR. They don't trust them, don't want them to know where they hunt, don't really care what type of statistics there trying to put together. We've talked about it before, there's a major distrust in the DNR from majority of hunters. And that goes, from the CO's all the way to the top. Hell, half them big wigs, that get together at them meetings, never even stepped a foot out in the field. They just take the paper BS they get from people that have. We all know that. Sad but true. I think the majority of us enjoying our sport, want to do what's right, help the herd, get more youth involved, do what's best for our sport. Getting involved can help, but I've been involved, and had roadblocks thrown in my face too many times. Unfortunately, many people feel the same. Where does that leave me, and so many others. Doing our own thing. And being as productive as we can. Does that sound a little sad? It should. But that is reality for most of us, that don't have a site to voice our opinion on. And/or have been involved, and felt like we wasted our time. No matter how much we felt it was the right thing to do. Just saying. 🫣🤔😏

As a member of the LP DMI, no recommendations were base on “the budget and gaining revenue”. Watch the NRC meetings and during public comment, that will tell you quite a bit. The process was rushed in the end. You have that right fellas - we could have used more time to discuss. Keep your eye out for the Hunt Michigan Collaborative. That non regulatory idea will produce an increase in hunters and help resolve several issues such as crop damage, reducing deer in areas with high deer abundance, provides access to private land, …

@adamlewis_outdoor

18 күн бұрын

Where can I find out more info on the hunt Michigan collaborative? I only said DNR is hung up on money because in the document, their response to suggestions 3 and 4 explicitly said they feared it would mean less tag sales and have negative economic impact. It’s there in black and white.

@americanagothic7851

18 күн бұрын

We have lots of HAP still and lots of farmers offer private doe tags to friends family and neighbors. We have had much more hunters buying tags the last few years so what’s the real issue? It’s the hunter mentality and community is very prideful. Most people don’t fill their tags, look at the survey numbers. And most tag buyers are also only chasing antlers. This is the wrong mentality. Those same people complain about how much tags are and how much it cost to hunt. If they filled their tags and then actually take all the good meat, they would have no reason to complain about cost. If they filled their freezers, it cost about 840 for 120lbs of hamburger meat at the store. It cost about 400 dollars for your tags and to butcher 120 pounds of good deer meat, saving hundreds just from taking two deer. Factor in fishing, pheasant, turkey, ducks and geese, rabbits, ext., ext. and you save thousands every year at the grocery store. People have the wrong mentality.

@americanagothic7851

18 күн бұрын

Not to mention that our dollars from buying tags, donations and other money from and for conservation gets taken away and used for other things In Michigan. That absolutely is a factor and still needs to be discussed.

@americanagothic7851

18 күн бұрын

Not all of the money, but a good chunk

You can leave 2 bucks, control the points. This isn’t hard.

@robertboyd3863

11 күн бұрын

Screw aprs , they are stupid

Another huge problem here in lower Michigan is all the private land and greedy landowners! Some of these parcels are thousands of acres and only has a few family members hunting them. Hording deer and no way to control that lands heard. How do you make these people understand that they're hurting the sport by hording the deer and not controlling the population!

@leonidas7281

17 күн бұрын

Sounding like a communist.

@chuckhunter1410

17 күн бұрын

@@leonidas7281 seriously? I'm 60 years old and can remember a time when people were ok with sharing the bounty! All you had to do is stop and ask to hunt and most would let you even if it was only for that day! Now it's either a hard no or want to charge you a lease fee. There are more deer now than anytime in history and a lot of these people have the mentality that these are my deer! The hunter numbers keep going down because they have no where to hunt. I'm not saying we need force these people into anything but where did the brotherly love for sport go? Even my own brother in law stopped me from hunting because he's worried I'm gonna shoot a bigger buck than him. Has over 400 acres and only let's 4 people hunt. They don't even do it for the venison! It's just a crazy time we live in now.

@chrismarfia9917

16 күн бұрын

Nothing stopping you from buying land and then becoming a "greedy" landowner. Landowners contribute more to the sport than your ridiculous words. Without private land owners, MI would have a much worse deer herd....just look at public land deer hunting.

@leonidas7281

16 күн бұрын

@chrismarfia9917 there is 3.6 million acres owned by the fed and 360k state land and these guys wanna commie up and talk shit about private land owners. These guys want to set up camp right off the highway and think they are going to kill bull winkle. For years and years I've driven older used vehicles. The money saved went towards my land. All these guys driving around 70k plus trucks. 4 wheelers, side by sides. Unbelievable blaming private land owners.

@chuckhunter1410

16 күн бұрын

@@chrismarfia9917 Wow 😳 You sir and your infinite words of wisdom are exactly my point!