My wife overheard the dialogue while I was watching this video and she said, "See, this is why I don't let you drink bourbon and make KZread videos." LOL!

@worxharder9470

4 жыл бұрын

You should have corrected her and said "vid-jay-ohhs".

@grasscutter88

4 жыл бұрын

Is he an alchoholic? I thought that's just his personality. lol

@r3drumg33k3

4 жыл бұрын

He might drink, but he is no drunk lmao.

@OneDollarNoHoller

3 жыл бұрын

@uncle bob LOL!

I like how this guy works but I'm really here for his verbal Masterpiece of the English language

@TheCrash8212

4 жыл бұрын

A furggin wordsmith he is

@davidelliott5843

4 жыл бұрын

No angry pixies today. :-(

@homosapiensqp3225

4 жыл бұрын

Is that AmE of BrE

@PurityVendetta

4 жыл бұрын

All Save vocabulary is automatically adopted as the official technical lingo of my workshop... you know it makes perfect sense 😆🤣😆

@jwmorrell1

3 жыл бұрын

@@PurityVendetta Well it's usually the babbling of an apprentice with a hangover on Monday morning who's been over in the welding shop huffing oxygen, trying to sharpen up. (It works in my experience) 🤪

"I mean a mouth is a mouth at 3am am I right?" Lmfao.. your humor cracks me up.

@chadharrison8653

3 жыл бұрын

priceless how he added that and never missed a beat!

@MRSketch09

3 жыл бұрын

@@chadharrison8653 It is, isn't?! He just says all kinds of sh*t... I always get a least a little bit smarter watching one of his videos, or a chuckle. It's one of the two.

The hose blowing off, and the compressor running all weekend, while I am on vacation at Dysney land, always haunted me. So I wired a relay, in series to the pressure switch, that turns on the contactor. I power the relay with my ceiling lights, when I come in my shop and turn on the lights, the compressor starts, when I leave my shop, the compressor won't start. Works well. If I don't need the compressor I turn off the pressure switch.

@XxmatixX6videosdiariosdenadav

5 жыл бұрын

Or you could unplug it

@JamesSmith-lt5zz

5 жыл бұрын

Could wire a separate switch next to the light for the compressor a dedicated breaker or off the ceiling light breaker thst way you don't need to turn off the pressure switch and lights and compressor switches are right next to each other independent

@calebhurteau4230

5 жыл бұрын

Dont forget to turn ur lights off. Lol

@snap-off5383

5 жыл бұрын

Thermal breaker?

@reidmackay9703

5 жыл бұрын

Smart

If this takes off, I'm blaming you for the loss of my compressor-mandated smoke breaks.

@2ndamenddude

6 жыл бұрын

And if it does take off, they will want to put another guy on the same compressor,, which means more adjustments to increase efficiency and productivity.... It just never ends..

@beverlyshirley9751

6 жыл бұрын

Jayce Brooks O

@cougill_trim_and_cabinets

5 жыл бұрын

no name bah! Not a chance. Pneumatic is cheap, powerful, and low maintenance.

@michaelfletcher1694

5 жыл бұрын

@@cougill_trim_and_cabinets you not compared Milwaukee electric tools with air tools then have you.... Pluss a contained unit vs dragging an airline up a ladder...

@cougill_trim_and_cabinets

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Fletcher ok, I’ll give you that. They’re great for punch and overhead usage. I just doubt they’ll ever replace pneumatic-at least not anytime soon.

i actually built this same deal with a fleet farm air compressor . 80 gallon 17 cfm stock with 5hp 240volt 1phase . i swapped in a Hitachi 3hp vfd and 3 1/2 Hp 3phase Baldor motor with F insulation for high temp . it uses a 3 wire pressure switch for feed back . CFM jumped up to around 24cfm at 90psi 88HZ , i dont use a unloader , it set to 10 second accelaration time . with no issues . its set to ramp HZ up as pressure drops with the PID function and pressure switch . min hz is set to 45hz . works Great with my sand blast cabinet . and can sand blast none stop with 90psi for long as u like . its all in a inclosure with fans for coooling as well as a liquided cooled cylinder head i made out of Air conditioning exchanger and a block of 6061 aluminum its been slowly upgraded over the years

@jackel440

6 жыл бұрын

This sounds like a great setup you have come up with

Sweet, gonna have to look into doing this to my old clunker of a compressor.

@arduinoversusevil2025

6 жыл бұрын

More to come. I got a better plan now. Just gotta build it.

@TriDaddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@arduinoversusevil2025 Have you built the better design?

@carlnelson3893

3 жыл бұрын

@@TriDaddy @Ave come on AVE, we are def waiting here... lol

@MrBigShotFancyPants

3 жыл бұрын

It's been 3years fellows & ladies. Check the man's u-tube channel and look for the upload you missed. Or "sub' & 'notification bell' Aye? Aye?

@SMFBisme

11 ай бұрын

​@@arduinoversusevil2025😮😮 0:25

This is great other than you just made a $100 compressor into a $2000 compressor.

@MeatPoPsiclez

4 жыл бұрын

Small VFD's are really cheap now, especially if you don't mind off brand (direct from China). The three phase motor *could* be cheap if you source it from salvage. A few minutes of looking and I've found a 2hp single phase 115/230v for $215USD 3hp single phase 208-230v for $380USD 4hp single phase 208-230v for $408USD 5hp 3 phase for $500usd. I'm betting this could be built for less than $600 (not including an existing head, frame, and tank) with some luck.

@ferndog1461

4 жыл бұрын

Can I trust this? Do I need to wear paintball tactical armor around this Frankenstein? Love this Canadian Macgyver mechanic. Peace!

@davidelliott5843

4 жыл бұрын

My local farmer has a only a single phase power line. His milk bulk tank cooler costs him a fortune to run. I suggested he goes to three phase motor with a three phase converter and motor speed controller. His electricity bills dropped by 1/3. With some fancy anticipatory stuff he could probably drop that even further.

@jacobmiller7175

3 жыл бұрын

In my area I can find used washing machines with 2 hp 3phase induction motors for about 60$ cause the confusor stopped working or what have ya. I’d bet the motor in good shape

@Hellsong89

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferndog1461 Well if Chinesium VFD trows a hissyfit and does not stop schooching away there is danger of over pressure and something going to low earth orbit, but put in over pressure valve or two that blow if that happens and you just have huge dust storm where compressor is. Simply put, always have back up everything specially when it comes to built in safety equipment.

If this were me, I'd be putting in a PID instruction and controlling to a tank pressure setpoint. WORD TO THE WISE - if you do that, or anything similar that would result in the possibility of the motor running for long amounts of time at slow speed (below 6 to 10 Hz), you may want to upgrade to a fan-cooled motor (i.e. separate fan that runs all the time) to avoid turning the rotor into liquid copper shmoo (tm). Love this shit, keep it up! This Patreon stuff is addictive thanks to you. It's like main-lining hands-on engineering skillz. PHYCK YA!!!

@MichaelSteeves

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed! No need to manually signal the controller, a PID controller will detect when the demand is high and increase the output. I think this is one of the applications where they do it that way because that's how it has always been done. All it takes is a little disruption and everyone will start making changes. The key (as always) is that it has to be economically justifiable. The brainboxes for this would be dirt cheap, but a proper setup would require a pressure transducer and a variable speed motor drive. I wonder if this is worth patenting? Certainly it is a combination of existing ideas for a specific application.

@bassmann4463

6 жыл бұрын

Lots of drives, even some of the small ones, have control macros built in, so there's really no need for a separate PLC. Most also have analog inputs that can use the signal from a pressure transducer. I've heard him say it many times, " Run what ya brung!"

@LazerLord10

6 жыл бұрын

Not sure if it would even need to be PID. Maybe PI, but there shouldn't be much inertia in the system, to the D term would likely be redundant. Plus, if it only needs to stay within ~5PSI of target pressure, the control algorithm could be much simpler.

@bassmann4463

6 жыл бұрын

page 4-66 in the manual are the PID parameters

@CisIP1862

6 жыл бұрын

No, it's not patentable, as every major manufacturer is already doing it with their big irons (as in: compressors that feed all tools for an entire assembly line)

I never would've thought to overclock my compressor. Nice work.

@vladh5192

6 жыл бұрын

Giv'er!

Man this is genius I would love to have something like this for my smaller compressor! That way when I’m away from the shop tearing down a vehicle to pull an engine, transmission, whatever the case is, I don’t have to wait 30-40-50 seconds for my compressor in-between every other stubborn rusty bolt. I can’t believe no one has figured this out before, but props to you for doing so! Brilliant my friend absolutely brilliant.

AvE we need more of this! I need this set up in my shop. Such a great idea. Seriously, why doesn't anyone do this outside of industry?

Um...adjust your pressure switch and cut down on the wait time. That's what construction guys do. Framers don't wait. Adjust to 100 cut in and 120 cut out on the wheelbarrow compressors. Also if you overspeed those cheap twin compressor heads they'll bust the rods in no time. Also starting under load with no relief after the cycle will grenade the rods too...

@ianholland212

6 жыл бұрын

jiminy cricket your absolutely right this seems good for just doing stuff in the shop but you can run 3 nail guns with a $100 pancake (short cord) then add an extra tank you never run out of air or the price of a bigger compressor is less than the drive

@willybee3056

6 жыл бұрын

ian holland Just a brain fart, from me, that is, but what would happen if you put a small tank with a one way valve on the input, for each nailer. And have them connected in parallel. That way the compressor would only pump air to the tank that needed it. .. Bottom line cost is everything. ..

@JJ_ExMachina

6 жыл бұрын

I work with the gas and diesel powered 100 CFM units... designed to drive 3/4" and 1" impact guns, and other air hungry tools like jack hammers... SO to be able to get the same performance out if a unit but by using a VF drive electric unit... would save the need of screaming over the air compressor all day long. I would use a rotary sliding vane, rotary helical screw, or rotary scroll air compressor. Over a Reciprocating compressors design. This was RPMs would not be a problem (for the most part).

@TacticalBuffoonary

5 жыл бұрын

I work with compressors that produce 900cfm, we use plc's and vfd's and 1200amp switchgear. That kind of electronics for a job site compressor is overkill and expensive plus how many people know PLC programming and ladder logic, not many. I did the same thing as Jiminy Cricket on my home shop compressor, I adjusted the pressure switch to come on at 100psi and turn off at 120, much cheaper.

@davidkohler7454

4 жыл бұрын

Everthing you said is exactly what I was thinking too. I ran large projects with the Right size compressor. Never had to wait for air. Seems like if you had to give a signal back to the compressor to change into overdrive then you are indeed waiting for pressure . and without a head pressure relief before the next start up will definitely cause damage to the rods and piston..

The ugga dugga, dugga duggas, tappy tap tap, etc.

@spikeydapikey1483

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the start of an album to me: AvE n Dewclaw Rock out!

@readysteadywhoa

6 жыл бұрын

There's not many words in machinist language but they sure are versatile!

@OperatorIHC

6 жыл бұрын

"How much did ya torque it down?" "About three ugga-duggas."

@Fireship1

6 жыл бұрын

OperatorIHC hahaha. Eric O!

@Giblet535

6 жыл бұрын

All it needs is a snappy tune.

AvE, this is one of my favorite vids of yours, and it has me looking at VFDs online, and eyeing my compressor with disdain. I haven't gotten my hands good and dirty for a living for a long, long time, but watching your videos makes me remember just how satisfying it was to have fixed a thing, or solved a problem, or made something better. Thanks very much for doing what you do. Thanks for sharing with us your knowledge and experience. Thanks for reminding me that any time spent in the shop, is not time wasted. Have a laugh, learn some things, fix some stuff.

I’m seeing this 2 years later and this is actually a genius idea and it should be capitalized on for mass production

@blazeandcyrus

3 жыл бұрын

I know I just saw this bubble up and yes he needs to prototype and patent the thing. I will buy one now... unless the cost gets jacked up by the hands of 'big compressor' lol

@jeffreythompson9549

3 жыл бұрын

It's not new tech - this is how inverter refrigeration compressors work. Instead of a dead band start and stop operating system, the motor slows as it approaches max, and speeds up as the pressure drops.

@davebennett5069

3 жыл бұрын

it is, just used for larger compressors because the extra huge cost of the compressor in large applications lets you absorb the added cost of this tech. home depot compressors will NEVER utilize this unless it becomes almost free :D

@jeffreythompson9549

3 жыл бұрын

@@davebennett5069 It is used for domestic air conditioners and refrigerators. Also drill presses, lathes etc, the cost has come way down for VFDs.

Yep I'm building one of these now. Thanks for the inspiration

@DustenAtPlay

6 жыл бұрын

Check out Surplus Center if you need Parts!

AvE december edition "VFD everything" continues

@wktodd

6 жыл бұрын

Piran freebies?

@TauCu

6 жыл бұрын

And so it fucking should! If flying mechanical bees use it it can't be T-bag.

@PiranOfficial

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, gonna VFD my mum and dog (ain't got no dog)

@gtpneel

6 жыл бұрын

lol I was just thinking the same thing..... "VFD all the things"

@joshmiller7870

6 жыл бұрын

VFD is cutting edge. Its mainstream in commercial air conditioning! Lower power consumption and higher efficiency.

This is just great. I need this for our pneumatic heat press. No more waiting for it to get up to pressure and no more stupid pressure drops

Why not just adjust the start stop on the old school compressor so that it kicks on at 110 psi instead of 80? You would still acheive a constantly running compressor, and as you said the motor is geared to run under load. If your tool is pulling more cfm than the compressor is putting out, you need a bigger compressor, not just a bigger motor?

@northernalberta399

4 жыл бұрын

I have always adjusted the on/off times on mine that way too

@paulg444

3 жыл бұрын

still doesnt solve the low volume of the compressor at ambient pressure at startup. You have a fixed volume per second compressor due to a fixed gear ratio and a fixed RPM motor. You want high compressor volume at low pressure at startup and low volume high pressure at high pressure. The motor runs efficient at one RPM. In order to do that you need to run the compressor at variable RPM with an electric motor. This application calls for a transmission of some kind where if you have a fixed RPM motor start out at high compressor RPM (when at ambient pressure) with high gear ratio and then you gear down as you gain pressure in the tank. The 19th century double pulley variable ratio "variator" was for this type of scenario. Old school is all that you need. Nothing new.

"Those that can't, HR" Never a truer word said.

@SteveisTall

6 жыл бұрын

It is the Human Remains Department after all.

@TheBrokenLife

6 жыл бұрын

Most useless department in any organization is HR. IT isn't far behind them.

@Marci124

6 жыл бұрын

I came up with "Human Refuse".

@rankin23007

6 жыл бұрын

Some sort of magic going on here. I like it

@xang72

6 жыл бұрын

Im my company HR dep there is a "Mobility Manager" --- WTF is a mobility manager, no-one know what she is doing.

Ave, don't feel bad...in one of my less bright moments I discovered just how flammable SILICONE lubricant spray is. Did not realize that they were using propane for propellant and, of course, propane is heavier than air. So I lubricated my shredder one day, not realizing that the bucket had accumulated all of that propane for me. Fired it up to spread the lubrication. Poof. Bang. Where are my eyebrows? Arm hair? An instantaneously receding hairline? And by God does burnt hair stink to high heaven! You just can't wash that smell out it seems.

@brucefaz55

5 жыл бұрын

LOL I did the exact same with the exact same results and it blew the front of the shredder basket off. luckily for me I had just emptied the basket or I would still be picking up confetti.

@17industries42

4 жыл бұрын

Ethan Poole lol. If I ever have a cruddy shredder I’ll have to try that outside in a safe area but with the switch set to on and plug it in from a while ago.

@pentachronic

4 жыл бұрын

I did that filling a lighter in my armchair many many years ago. Fill ligher, get a bit of over spray, check lighter works.... Boom, lost eyebrows. I have never seen someone move so fast. My buddy was sitting in the chair next to me and was like a freaking rocket out of a missile silo as he thought I'd blown myself up. I was howling with laughter. Nothing else I could do !! But the smell of ammonia from burning hair! Damn!

@DaleD63

4 жыл бұрын

Discharge temp on an oil lubricated compressor can reach 350°F oilless 450-500° so be wary of hydrolic hose!!

Great idea. I’m an a/c and heating contractor and if you have a shop without 3 phase it’s extremely difficult to find an air compressor that with properly run some of the sheet metal tools and the adhesive spray rig for our liners. This would allow for more readily available power to run much more efficient compressors that could do what we usually rely on really big 3 phase compressors to run.

I tried to increase my compressor, fire department thinks I Fucked up.

Yes! Vector Drive ALL THE THINGS

@harrytobin3992

6 жыл бұрын

That looks like an old motor on that compressor. A variable speed inverter will burn out the bearings eventually.

@jttech44

6 жыл бұрын

Uncle bumblefuck taught me that bearings are industrial lego, so burning them out is nbd provided you have a good healing bench.

Some feedback (and it's not acoustic this time): Some of us have taken the autogas tanks from cars, and used them for our air compressor tanks. We subsequently have a bunch of tanks, and a bunch of drivers with puzzled looks on their faces. It would be nice to have some valves so that one tank can get charged up real quick and we can start work, and the rest get brought online gradually as there is surplus air available. Maybe pulse some solenoids to charge them up progressively without dumping the primary air tank too much. Also, start your compressor in the opposite direction each time. That helps with the not needing an unloader valve. That flywheel pulley fan is fucking cosmetic, ignore it.

@sawbbq

6 жыл бұрын

Pressure relief valve that essentially bleeds excess pressure into the next tank and so on and so forth. As for those compressors. Don't worry about the heat they don't care. We run ours well over 100 degrees c and they dont care and thats 10 hours a day 8 months a year.

@hooter7003

6 жыл бұрын

I have the solution to your problem On trucks and buses they have overflow/ charging valves to fill tanks in sequence they are adjustable then you run a check valve back to your first small tank say a 4gallon or 20 litre once the small tank gets to 90 psi it overflows to your huge tank until both are full at 120 psi Draw from your small tank if you want quick air by blocking the flow to you big tank Set you pressure switch on your small tank to cycle between 100 and 120 you’ll never run low on air Use truck alloy air tanks scattered around the walls of your shop with big lines joining them then you have heaps of air for your ugga dugga guns 💪 or spray guns

@loftsatsympaticodotc

6 жыл бұрын

BADDD IDEEEE !!! Used tanks of ANY type used for compressed air- that are NOT certified and within time deadlines are TICKING TIME BOMBS ! IN most jurisdictions you MUST re-certify any compressed gas receiver regularly, and Car GAS TANKS are ALL made of too thin materials and are NOT round, a design necessary for any hi-pressure!

@godfreypoon5148

6 жыл бұрын

+Lofts Sympatico Don't worry, friend. I ran some random beads of weld all over it to reinforce it. I am not sure what alloy the tank or the rods were, but the packet said "extra strong", so it will be juuuust fine. Serious: I mean LPG tanks... propane... etc. Not gasoline. They are indeed round and thicker than most air compressor tanks. They have a working pressure of a few hundred PSI. They may not have a TUV number on them, but they are good enough for the women I would like to go out with.

@godfreypoon5148

6 жыл бұрын

Pressure overflow valves!! Why did I not think of this?!? Perfect solution, no electrics required.

This is freaking genius and simple enough that I'm very surprised this isn't a standard practice already.

Totally useful. This is the kind of A-game project that takes our channel up a notch.

OMFG a Mouth is a mouth at 3am. Almost pissed myself. XD

@dodgeypriest

6 жыл бұрын

Max R What?

@spudpud-T67

6 жыл бұрын

Getting offended and getting pissy are different states of condition.

@thepvporg

6 жыл бұрын

Like "a hole in the wall" after the clubs kick out...

HEAT!!! most compressors work with the on off design so they can cheap out on compressor cooling. That "down time" is essential to stop excessive heat soaking of the piston/compressor body. You've got a novel idea, just need a compressor that can take it.

@derrickdrew17

6 жыл бұрын

Bob Barker at lease I'm not the only one who think of that. I can't see that little pump lasting long running like that.

@peterg.8245

6 жыл бұрын

It’s cast iron and can take abuse far beyond these modern aluminum or worse plastic crap

@thomas316

6 жыл бұрын

You can always fit a little fan to cool the head if temperature becomes an issue.

@Shanidar1

6 жыл бұрын

Thomas The pulley/flywheel is a fan, Ave is just spinning it the wrong way....i think.

@leehaelters6182

6 жыл бұрын

Cameron, do you mean that sucking the cooling air is necessarily less effective than blowing it on the pump? L

I think your idea is great! This could help a lot of small crews or new companies that have a few dudes share the same compressor. You are also hilarious and fun to watch.

This is an awesome idea, working in the auto industry and always waiting for the compressor to charge was a pain in the nuts.

nice work, i use the same concept for hydraulic systems, you take a fixed displacement pump and hook it up with a variable speed control and you have a variable pump..used in a tilt table for concrete wall manufacturing, after the concrete has set the table tilts up and the wall is lifted of the table with overhead crane. used an inclinometer to ramp the flow back as the tilt table rises up, mind you these are telescopic cilinders, so the last rods are small, needs little flow, otherwise it would launch the wall off the table.... anyways nice vids AvE greets from the netherlands.

'It was enginerded when Christ was a cowboy'

That's pretty much what I had planned to do for my compressor setup. Nice work!

I got me one of those fancy compressors which tickle your ear hole vs. shouting in it. But I am picking up what you're saying. It's brilliant!

I love this idea. I can believe i didn't think of it before. Way more air without tripping the breaker. tapping out morse code to the PLC is a little far out there though. you probably already know, but that hydraulic hose is going to get way too hot. you could also have the PLC run an auto-drain.

CFM limit is compressor size by compressor speed. Faster speed equals more compressor wear so your best bet is to go bigger and under drive and use normal max as over drive to reduce wear and increase capacity. My home setup comes on at 140 and off at 175 because it's factory set and I regulate it down to 125 for my use so pressure is always the same.

Im a framer, and you have me sold on tgis . Love it

YES!!! My plasma cutter never seems to have enough air unless I'm using a huge huge huge compressor or only making teeny tiny cuts!! Your a genius buddy!!

Sounds skookum but you know the boys on the roof don't mind the break!

It would work. But you'll find that better quality compressors for contractors just utilize a higher cut in pressure to reduce the issue. Dewalt has a single phase compressor(D55146) that runs 4 Bostich coil roofing nailers very well. It has a max psi cutout at 200 psi and it cut in pressure is around 160 psi. This is opposed to the old style compressors with a max of 125 psi and a cut in at 80 psi(witch is lower than you would regulate such a tool) Each gun makes 5-10 rapid shots then a very slight pause, less than 10 seconds, to set the next shingle. Each nailer keeps this up for roughly 53.5 to 4 minutes then takes a minute to grab the next pack of shingles and the same process is repeated. This nail gun uses 3.9 cfm at 80 psi with a rate of 100 nails per minute. The big factor is regulating the pressure to the gun, set it to the lowest pressure that will fully seat the nail with the gun set to the middle drive depth setting. Rarely do we ever have to wait for air.

Yes, this is a great idea! Would love to see some links to where you got the vfd/motor/plc.

What a great idea we use the same set up on water pumps on big jobs. I'm going to look in to doing this on my compresor

Do all Canadians have three hands and a hockey stick?

@tyttuut

6 жыл бұрын

Bill T Nobody really knows.

@elindred

6 жыл бұрын

no, some of us play lacrosse

@graham2631

6 жыл бұрын

Na,some of us prefer beer witch is why our women heads have a flat spot.

@blair79bear38

6 жыл бұрын

not this prairie boy. burnt the hockey stick a long time ago when the earth was still green.

@2006ryde2006

6 жыл бұрын

No silly, some of us have more than one hockey stick

Greatings from Denmark.. I use Omron MX2 VFD's in my work, and they contain a small PLC that can be programmed to do exactly what you explain I the video.. also they have both digital and alalog inputs. Not the cheapest Drive, but 250$-ish will get you a 2 Kw one phase Drive.

Being from the American Deep Deep South, it is very different for me to listen to this guy. This isn't to say anything bad but country folks where I'm from just aren't used to Canadians talking. He definitely knows his stuff. Good idea man! God bless you buddy!

Was waiting for a complete unit. Sweet idea

Dew claw needs his own sign off... Keep your zap in the wrap?

@nathanegbert977

6 жыл бұрын

Keep your pix in the mix.

@poundkake13

6 жыл бұрын

Keep your testicle out of the receptacle.

@MTThought

6 жыл бұрын

"And remember, they should at least find you handy."

Yes damn good... broke the pressure switch on my 4.5kw kompressor 2weeks ago... that thing is quite a pain in the a$& because of the big 300l tank. It takes a long time to get it down to 7bar (were it will kick in again) but under 8bar the ugga dugga gun has no torque.

@mxdev6387

6 жыл бұрын

The pressure switches they have are really only rated for 3HP, and even then have a significantly reduced duty cycle associated with that. If you want a real setup that uses the pressure switch as signal for contactor which is designed for high switching loads, check this out. I did this for my 5HP compressor and it works great. www.reddit.com/r/Skookum/comments/6t4qi4/project_finished_industrial_air_compressor_for/

@RichardHilverts

6 жыл бұрын

It's not like I can't believe you, but a head's up: Have you though about the airline to your Ugge Dugga? The bigger the less restriction. But since you're here you must have already got a decent size. :p

@payday510

6 жыл бұрын

Stummel01 we're on the interwebs, not in church. You can say ass.

@SeanBZA

6 жыл бұрын

Got a 7.5kW motor on the one, and while it is really overkill as it runs around 10 hours a month at best, it works well using old fashioned star delta switching and a great big set of contactors to keep the switch alive. Still, as the switch is 20 years old, time to change it out, which is a pain, as it has copper unloader piping, so I will have to do an adaptor to use the modern push on fittings and tube, though the copper will still be there to keep the tube from melting. Has worn through a few outlet pipes and non return valves, Type 30 Ingersoll Rand compressor tends to give it a lot of air. Tank still passes pressure tests though, got the cert recently, even though it is over 30.

@001desertrat3

6 жыл бұрын

Yes , an Ass is an animal akin to a Donkey - ( so they can't Bleep it ) . LOL !

What a great channel. Combine brains, honesty, inventiveness, efficiency, and humor. Doesn't get much better than that! That is a very cool idea using the variable drive to vary output. I would think one would need to be carefull in that the cooling vanes etc. on the compressor were designed for an RMP. Compressor pumping faster might cause overheating issues? I'm not sure. I'm trying to think of other ways to incorporate this idea.

This video has changed my life forever.....I need this.....

0-10v pressure transducer would work awesome. I'm sure the vfd has an analog input.

I have a feeling every motor is going to be 3 phase soon at the AvE compound. I give it a week, 2 max!

@JerryWick

6 жыл бұрын

poot111111 gotta love the sorcery of Mr Tesla

I love this! I set up 2 compressors in order to spray cabinets. I had them ran together and adjusted cut in and cut out pressures on both where my slower quieter one was primary, but when I needed more air the other one would kick on and help it out.

@matthighlifeful

5 жыл бұрын

It worked fine but fucking ridiculous compared to this

Good video, you got me thunkin'. I purchased a sand blaster, and and am in the process of putting the compressor together. This concept would be especially useful for something that uses so much air.

You have got to tear down an old century Repulsion start induction run motor, the quality is amazing.

Great idea. Not sure how many of us portable grease monkeys and or nail gunner erectors can properly operate/program plc's. Needs to be plug in, turn on, and go.

Dude you're a trip. You f****** crack me up every time I watch you. You make learning fun. Thanks

Excellent job. Running it faster at lower loads increases piston speed on the compressor motor exponentially increasing wear on the rings so lower life is probable

Be honest,you're going to fit one of these on everything now.

"In hammer we trust" I think you have your next shirt idea right there AvE

@icanseeyou2004

6 жыл бұрын

I wanna get a window sticker that says that put it on the back window of my truck haha along with the bumper sticker that says " dont laph , your daughter could be in this truck"

@oneeye6127

6 жыл бұрын

Rob R and the sub title: The Ultimate Adjuster!

@mokelv

6 жыл бұрын

with a roll of duck/duct tape

@firstmkb

4 жыл бұрын

Custom hammers with the motto!

Great fargin idea man! Although you left out the "technology" of helic compressors but fugging great job. This is definitely the best compressor idea I have seen.

Yes, yes, YES! All of this sounds fantastic -- I bet you could even scale it down to the little bench compressors air brush artists use to give them better control/uniformity.

Maybe the problem is just undersized air storage and undersized compressor. I built an 5 hp air compressor that pumps something like 20 cfm and will fill a 130 gallon tank to 190 psi in a little under 10 minutes. I use it with my sandblaster, which uses a lot of air, and run for about 5 minutes before it kicks on and it will actually catch up to the sandblaster and turn off at 190 psi again. Works just as well with a 3/4 drive impact. Never exceeds the duty cycle of the motor and always has air since the lower kick on is set at 130 psi. I love your thoughts on a self controlling air compressor, but I just think the bigger problem is people buying an undersized compressor to begin with.

@unknownium275

6 жыл бұрын

Austin Washburn the thing is we generally don't have the jam on a jobsite to be running 5 hp motors..and physical size is something we try to minimize. That's where this could have an application. If you're in a shop with 220 you can avoid ever having limitations due to air volume by spending the grand on a decent compressor and bypass the vfd costs and pain in assness.

Sounds like a good space saver. instead of the 80 gallon tank to get your air tool capacity you can get the same performance in a smaller package... sometimes all you got is a smaller package... not me, but other guys.

@aparfeno

6 жыл бұрын

The reason for big tank if to reduce number of cycles. So you sacrifice longevity for space.

@ThatDumbSchmuck

6 жыл бұрын

my guess is that for home gamers the number of cycles isn't going to be a big deal. even at a couple of hours a night every night of the week, your probably not getting close to the useful life of most compressors, right? unless it's one of those oil-less toys... looks like the one AVE uses has been around for a while and has had several lives already :)

This is what I'm talking about! I'm in the framing industry and I can't believe we don't have portable options like what you're talking about!

YES I've been waiting all my life for this to happen. We're having a lot of trouble with cold starts in the winter too, working, framing, busting nuts outside for a day in -15 to -25 centigrades the air choocher always takes out the breaker when starting. Even with an oil pan heater for the oil. This could change that!

"A mouth is a mouth at 3am." My new motto.

Can you shape the waveform coming out of the controller to follow the torque curve required by that compressor pulley per revolution? I bet if you got it just perfect it would run super smooth.

Love the Commentary! Thanks for the info!

Reminds me of the efficiencies from moving away from a thermostat going to a thermistor type of circuit in water heating control. Awesome!

I feel like I'm missing something, but why not just have the control ramp up to high speed when the pressure is lower? What's the need for sending signals to go into overdrive when it could recognize that the pressure is dropping too low?

@themotofixery

6 жыл бұрын

LazerLord10 I agree. The lower the pressure the faster it goes! Well said

@katawatenshu

6 жыл бұрын

when you're using an air tool like a nailer or stapler if the pressure gets too low the nails don't go all the way in, and/or the gun can jam. being able to tell the machine that you're about to put a bunch in lets you stay over your minimum pressure without the riskiness of the pressure having to drop first

@sugarbooty

6 жыл бұрын

If you're gonna be using the tool, you want it at a certain preasure. It's overdriven to get it to the set pressure

@nipunagunarathne4882

6 жыл бұрын

LazerLord10 or just PID control it

@videopukebeer

6 жыл бұрын

LazerLord10 yes! PID would be perfect if you could keep it consistently going.

Adding a 4-20ma pressure transducer sourced from the 24v on the VFD, you could essentially maintain a new psi set point just using the features on the drive. Add some torque boost in the program and your in like sin. Skip the PLC and use the VFD inputs on TB1. Your vids are awesome after verk w a beer.

Yes I hate it when I'm working and run out of air and have to wait it would definitely make my life easier.!!! Thanks and Great video

Fantastic idea. Smaller tank, ability to go into brief turbo mode when someone's really nailing, lower speed/wear/noise most of the time, possibly even set for 15A or 20A depending on circuit you have it plugged into.

l wonder how a mini bike torque converter would work, fast with no load and geared down on the top pressure ?

@daviddroescher

6 жыл бұрын

Mustie1 I like tjis one

@PuchMaxi

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was thinking about using some kind of CVT/vario too!

@martinxXsuto

6 жыл бұрын

why not use a CVT for overkill?

@pauljs75

6 жыл бұрын

Another method is to just use a variable stroke on the compressor. If you've ever seen an air-motor that is regulated or reversible with a tilt-block system, then you'll already know how such a compressor pump works. No clutch or anything to wear out on that, and you're governing its drive motor to a fixed speed. I believe some hydraulic proportioning systems do it that way too. Found a video showing the principle: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doSpu6hplbGxZrA.html It's talking about a patent using it for air conditioning, but that tilt-block thing itself actually goes back to the 1930's at least. At least in the case of ship's steering hydraulics, and large things like that.

@martinxXsuto

6 жыл бұрын

like that slovakian hydraulic pump he took apart? With the changing pitch plate that changed the displacement? That's actually pretty smart, you don't have gears just a variable displacement

Please, please, please, for the love of the beaver in which we thrust. Help ol' Doo-claw get going on his own channel!!! I would donate my own freedom bucks for it too. Well once this other channel i donate to really takes off

Really like the idea you have going with air compressor controller and would like to see more

I am a home garage hack and I DYI everything possible from a air nailer & impact wrenches to a plasma cutter for welding and having a setup like you are describing would be a GD God Send! You could set the gezzless thing at whatever operating pressure and for geeet aaabout it! love the concept and it would make my compressor last 10 times longer

What if instead of air signaling, it used rate of change in tank pressure to modulate the motor instead of the usual hysteresis? That way you don't have to worry about accidentally sending it into orbit when you inadvertently send a signal with the wrong tool. Maybe set it up such that it should resist pressure drops faster then so many psi per minute, and when it detects that, it runs constantly to maintain pressure. Hysteresis could still be used for light draw or slow dropping pressure so you don't need to hear it running all the time. For extra credit: Run two asymmetric separate stages off the same belt and valve them so that at lower pressure they run parallel for high volume, but after a certain amperage is reached by the motor, solinoid valves run them in series where the larger acts as a low pressure first stage to the second lower displacement cylinder.

@engnerdan

6 жыл бұрын

The rate of change in system pressure method of control is already being used by Kaeser. My rotary screw compressor has that as an option in its controller. It doesn't have a variable speed drive (yet) so all it does is regulate turning the motor on and off.

This is relevant to my interests.

@RadiosGomer

6 жыл бұрын

gotta break those rusty nuts

Where the hell did you learn all this stuff!! Been watching forever and you are all over the map, one minute you are teaching something super complicated then the next you are making “bust a nut” jokes then you throw in a “i blew my self up with some flammable” 😂😂 keep it up 👍

@s1krrpilot

3 жыл бұрын

im 31 and im about in the same knowledge range, i think i can speak for him when i say we had a had a fucking interesting child hood to acquire the profanity and knowledge is our drug of choice, cant get enough

This was a great idea, I hope to see you didn't drop it over time for small scale and home gamers

When christ was a cowboy lmfao love his vids

Don't they make high flow low capacity compressors that can give you an unlimited dugga dugga dugga?

General Contractor here. usually when the framers or roofers have multiple tools running, they use gas air compressors. (Rol-Air 4090HK17 5.5 HP Honda, 9.3 CFM@90PSI, 9 Gallon Twin Tank ) Three phase isn’t exactly mobile friendly. But the home shop fire can always use a good stoking! 🍻

This was fantastic! A day late and a buckshot short but this is awesome! I must know more.

Ave, I think the compressor is running the wrong way around. This way the cooling fan is sucking and not blowing on the cylinder. And as much as I know, the lubrication mechanism inside is also designed to be running in a specific way. Not hating at all, just saying!

@whodat90

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I saw that too. On my compressor I bought a thermostatically controlled box fan, cut the thermostat out of the fan and installed it on the tube between the low and high pressure cylinders. As soon as the compressor runs for a bit, that tube gets hot, the fan kicks on.

@pseudocoder78

6 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter which way a cooling fan is running as long as it's pushing OR drawing fresh air over the component to be cooled. That said, I have no idea if it was actually running backwards or not.

Fastest way to break your rusty nuts is when your significant other asks "does this make me look fat?" Just say yes.

Mine looks like a Frankenstein. Removed the air filter and added a large oil filter. 2x125psi mini shutoff switches(2 for redundancy) after removing the blockly original one that stuck in the on position. The motor is now controlled with a relay that also provides power to the NO air solenoid. And the air solenoid closes after 6 seconds via the SS timer. The top of the oil breather/fill port has been cut and piped to the outside, for in-shed oilfree air quality. Looks like now I need a VFD. ;0) always love your videos.

Ps. Just found you 2 days ago...great channel!!!

AvE any thoughts on the damage to the motor bearings dod to the high frequency from the VFD? I know you can get newer motors that are rated for VFD use and you can also get grounding brushes that you place on the motor to bleed off any voltage that builds up in the rotor so that you don't get the voltage arching across the bearings,

@shaivong

4 жыл бұрын

VFD motors aren't necessarily built to run faster - they just have laminations in the cores to reduce coriolis currents and heat buildup.

I was about to ask how you didn't have a pulley puller in your empire of dirt, then you remembered.

working in the body shop we use almost all tools are air tools. We also paint or primer with air as well. At home although I only have a 110 compressor I find that its useless and when I want to do weekend jobs don't have a big compressor and so the 110 unit would never work and if I could be able to have the air I need for painting that would be great ! You really have a great idea ! I love your most used phrase Skookum !

Complicated things break down exactly proportional to how complicated they are. Maximum rpm for Compressors are not safely exceeded. So there's that, my 2cents. I've rebuilt all three of my compressors, all bought used. I googled make and model for the rpm and found all three at one time in their previous lives had their shives on motors changed so the compressor was running slower. I changed all that and have excellent performance. Other than that would be a great idea. Thanks for the videos. I see you were in my old stomping ground, Similkameen valley. 👍

Roofers approve this concept !! Build it and we will come

Couldn't you watch for the rate of change in pressure in order to kick on overdrive...sure the math is a bit more; but I'd be surprised if the PLC couldn't handle it...you could always trade processing time for memory with a wee bit of the calc-ule-lumus. This would help you maintain a more constant pressure that dynamically tried to keep up with demand.

Yes I very much have a use for this. Awesome to see a solution to my situation. Need to learn more!?

This is an awesome idea. And a quiet compressor at that