You made a nice video there Joe. Always great to have you at the shop. I really appreciate all the nice compliments that everyone has said, thank you everyone. I hope this helps people. Great and useful content. Thank you, EM.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ed! She’s a beaut!

@cjm5002

2 жыл бұрын

I wanted to give you fellas a tip but I figure you have already tried it! I was going to suggest buying WD40 by the gallon and using a squirt bottle to save money, but damn your hands get super tired, haha! Some parts makers have a pump up squirt bottle for brake clean and whatnot. Back when I was playing with engines I had a shallow tub with 2 gallons of WD in it I used to scrub and bathe heads in.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjm5002 yea man. I think Ed likes the cans for convenience. It’s a good reminder, I need to get some more

@rod426

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video to Ed and Joe. Just to be clear, that was just regular soap and water used to clean the block? The block looks awesome!

@MrBlackbutang

Жыл бұрын

Will do . They don’t make them like him anymore!

Good old school machine shop. It's silly to call it old school because it is 100 percent what should be done every time. Good video Joe and great work Ed thanks for your times

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tall John! Ed’s pretty sharp. Glad he let me share!

Today my brother, Ed and his wife came to an auction to watch my 1976 Cadillac Coup de Ville sell. I didn't make a killing , but did good. The folks at the auction were good people to work with. Thank you to Ed and his wife for coming up to be with my wife and I. It was a great pleasure brother.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

That’d be a cool car! My neighbor actually has a 2 door convertible. Black of course

@bertgrau3934

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe Mine was a 2 door, but not a convertible

I've been assembling engines for 50 years. I'm not a machinist, I disassemble and bring my parts to the machine shop. When I get my parts back I clean everything and chase all the threads. This is probably the most neglected thing to be done in every engine build and is so very important. Great video.👍

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Rare nowadays to see someone take that much pride in their work and do such a thorough job! Great machinist you have there Joe!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mitch! I learn a lot from Ed,

We need more guys like Ed around. Great stuff and oddly satisfying....lol

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

He’s thorough! Glad to have met him! KZread made that connection. He reached out to several channels and no one batted an eye. I checked him out first thing!

Good morning men! Yes, that's how Ed has always cleaned his blocks and heads. Like jewelry when they are ready for the build. Great video, and great job as always at E&D Machine!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, MoparJim. He was hustling that day! We got the block cleaned and my rods drilled and started honing, in no time!

@edsmachine93

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim. Kind words from you. You and I have built some very nice engines over the years. Always first class. Thank you, EM.

@mikecrawford5331

2 ай бұрын

Where is this machine shop located?

First rule of advice I was given when building my first engine was .”clean clean clean clean clean cleanx10” I was chasing threads and cleaning holes for hours after it came back from the machine shop! Nothing more irritating than a bolt bottoming out short on some crap at the base of the threads!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir. They’re one of the few shops that chases the threads before it leaves, and repairs any that needs it! Makes for a smoother build!

Now there's a machine shop. My last 440 needed these guys instead of the poor job done by a "Mopar expert" local shop.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Don. This is the nicest one I’ve ever had done.

Now that's a thorough engine builder man. No stone unturned. Super cool.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother. Definitely stepping up my build game.

@dazeofgloryshopworks5806

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe yeah buddy I try to improve on my skills as I can. I'm with ya there. Never too old or young to learn to do it better. Some times I go for the quick n dirty get er done but when I take my time I really dig in and go for gold 🤘🏼

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@dazeofgloryshopworks5806 I’m with you there!

A lot of precision cleaning there a person who cares about their work and enjoys the feeling of doing it properly, all the best to you and your loved ones

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Donald! Have a good weekend

Ed is the man, it's probably worth the drive to have some quality work done, unlike other shops in my area if you catch my drift.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

True that Blake! Thanks brother. This is the nicest piece of metal to go in any of my rides

That kind of job is worth driving across country to take an engine to have it done by ED !!! Thx Joe & Ed

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir! He’s got it going on!

Cool its nice to see the old school way of doing things. The only machine shop in my area uses the thermal cleaning process.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, even after coming out of his cleaner, the work continued!

That's s great way to start an engine build!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother! This engine is the best one I’ve ever had done. Glad to share the process!

If every one would take this much pride and time into a rebuild......awesome job.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

There’d be many more engines on the road! Thanks brother

Great info to share Joe. As they say "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" 👍

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to share both! Thanks Ron

@ronsre-creations5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe Right on.

Hello guys, Joe's 400 Mopar block was Thermo cleaned in a BK17 Kansas Instrument's Bake oven. The washer is a D20c spay washer and a Biodegradable soap. I use no unsafe chemicals or anything else. I collect any oils and any metals are collected and placed with scrap metal. There was some questions about the process. I am doing things in a safe and responsible ways always. Many people using Vats and Caustics and may or may not be environmentally responsible. Plain and simple Vats produce sludge. Thermo cleaning burns it. Ends up being fuel for the process. Hand washing is Tide soap and water. Totally old school. Hope this helps. Thanks, EM.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! Hopefully that keeps the same questions from being asked. Thanks for the thoroughness!

@patrickwayne3701

2 жыл бұрын

Ed, thanks for letting Joe document over your shoulder as you brought the old 400 back to presentable. That work was the best, most satisfying work I had ever done when I was in the beginning of my career. Still get major satisfaction from bringing a block and heads back to new condition!

Nice vid. Joe I love informative vids like this. I have a 400 block in storage that is stamped HP that's never been cracked open.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a winner! Thanks brother

Here we go.....400 block 💯😎

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the nicest block I’ve ever had done.

@218422100

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe I'm wait'n to see to what you have in store for it.....💯😎

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@218422100 this will be my 500 HP NA 10/1 400. Stock crank. Full build series coming up, and yes, I’ll take it to the dyno!

@218422100

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe man I can't wait and I wish I lived close by!!!!💯😎🍻🍻🍻🍻

Love those dudes! They would hate me because I would bug and talk their ear off lol just trying to get all the knowledge out of them. My own mouth would get in the way lol. Great job just listen and letting the guy just give you the info. Just good stuff!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stan! Always learn more by listening

@stannelson2582

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe when you get time it’s live now but watching southeast gassers association is a good watch. Ivan picture you rippin some gears like that!

@wheels-n-tires1846

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe Im the same way with my local shop. I usually just take my coffee in with me now, Im never in n out quick!! Too much to talk about n learn!!

Very good job! Joe you have a great machinist, because he CARES! Cleaning is time consuming and not much fun, but one of the most important steps. I subbed Ed's channel, I can't wait to see more.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! I sent him your link last night. Y’all would get along well!

This motor is going to be a Awesome Ripper!!!!!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

7k rpm big block!

Thanks ED I learned some stuff! 💪

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

He’s thorough, Ruben!

Very professional job cleaning that block

@JustMoparJoe

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. He’s got a great procedure.

Cleaned up nicely 😎

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir! Thanks brother

If all Machinest cleaned block like that. We’d have a lot less engine failure! Thanks

@JustMoparJoe

Жыл бұрын

That is true! Check out Ed’s machine on KZread

Awesome and exciting!!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

It was good to see. Thanks buddy

Reminds me of all the cleaning I did for my small block Mopar stroker. Moroso makes a nice brush kit part number 61820. Does a great job of getting through all the oil passages.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Chris!

Damn that looks good.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a masterpiece! Best one I’ve ever had done. He’d love to do some BTP work!

This is awesome! I'm planning to build a 400 (hopefully soon) also. I only have the block so far (and I guess technically a timing cover), so I'm excited to hear what kind of pistons, heads, cam, etc. you are planning to use, Joe!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother. This will be a budget build for sure, but hope to hit 500 hp.

Fantastic!!!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John!

Love how meticulous he is, like a good paint job you can never be too clean. Clean clean and clean again! WD40 stands for water displacement 40th attempt at the formula, great to use on the metal after cleaning with water!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir. It did the work!

Very very nice

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan!

nice, I am about to get my 400 bored .030 over and decked. Mine will be stock stroke as well with a forged 383 crank, stock rods and KB-240 pistons. looking forward to more of this build!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew! I’ve got all kinds of irons in the fire, but this block is almost done. I should be able to get it built and on a dyno by end of fall. NoNameNationals Barracuda and coronet are eating my time up.

Man that's sweet!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy

Wished more shops would do this.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir! A good machinistis hard to beat!

@bertgrau3934

2 жыл бұрын

If you plan to assemble the engine yourself, it's always a good idea to clean again yourself. If the machine shop is going to assemble it for you, you should ask if it had been cleaned properly. ( just a suggestion)

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@bertgrau3934 you may have missed my 2 full build series. I gave my step by step instruction on how to build a 360 LA and a 413 RB. I started the 413 with brushing and checking the oil passages, then rolling it outside and pressure washing the newly machined block for 30 minutes. I was actually praised for my cleanliness in both builds. They are where the majority of my subscribers came from.

@bertgrau3934

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe Joe I apologize, I was just making a general opinion. And I haven't seen the complete builds on those other engines. I was not trying to say anything negative about anyone.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@bertgrau3934 all good, brother! This is the first shop I’ve seen that was this thorough.

Joe, I just started following you when I just build my 1977 400BB, I just completed my cam break in this past weekend. I used some of your 440 build videos to help me. Now I see you building this 400 which is super close to mine! I cant wait to see what happens next. Thanks

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother. A good machine shop is key. This is the nicest engine I’ve ever built, because the machine work is superb.

@badvs3vil

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe Yeah my shop was great. Not only with getting my block ready for me, but since he knew this was my first time inside an engine like this, he offered more help and called to check in on me. If you check my profile, you will see my video from last week which was the first start after the break in. I put a Hughes Engine Whiplash in it. Now I am watching your videos about that turbo... LOL!

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@badvs3vil that’d awesome! I’ll check it out. The actual turbo install will be after I get my racecar right for the no name nationals. Turbo will be for my dart sport.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@badvs3vil subbed up

@badvs3vil

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe What engine will you have in the Dart?

I'd like to see what comes next. Uncle Tony said to heat up the cast iron with a torch before painting it. I wonder if a heat gun would work. How do you get that block dry enough to take paint without giving a start to flash rust? I'm also wondering if he uses primer. Also, some guys said engine paint is the same as regular paint. It isn't really any more heat resistant.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

All good questions. I believe he lets that block set for a few days in his shop, with the heat cranked up to dry it all out well. Then likely a solvent to clean the paintable surfaces and a coat of cast metal engine paint applied. I can topcoat that paint with my desired color.

@patrickwayne3701

2 жыл бұрын

Auteur Fiddler, check out JW Hirsch paints they are specially formulated for engine and transmission applications in classic cars and trucks. I used their stuff on several 383's and 413's I restored in 1990-1993 and they are still gorgeous with sheen and no peeling yet today.

@patrickwayne3701

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, forgot to mention, I found them in Hemmings Motor News. In the advertising section

@auteurfiddler8706

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickwayne3701 I did see their paints.All polyurethane. No way to tell what they cost on their site. What ever happened to acrylic enamel with no "isocyanates?"

@patrickwayne3701

2 жыл бұрын

@@auteurfiddler8706 well, I will cry 'foul' to the whole 'I been doing this so long I forgot stuff you'll never learn',,, because I ONLY read up enough to get proficient at what I was doing back then and then I moved on to mechanical engineering. I DO, however, remember that for those of us who mess with cars, [Vans!], and trucks in the 70's and 80's,,,, isocyanates and the Imron paint that carried them, were the gift that kept on giving if you didn't observe the warnings about using a fresh air system for respiratory protection. I remember old guys who used bandannas and no goggles to lay down some of those 'street scene' van paint jobs that were the craze in the mid to late 70's along with paint on HotRod dreamboats like Rick Dobbertin's J2000 Pontiac. Guys who paid attention to the warnings, and wore body suits and proper respiratory protection are still here to talk about it. Others,,, not so much.... can you remember Boyd? I didn't go into the trade of painting and coating any deeper than to get my old 64's and 66's squared away with exactly sweet restorations like Worman is doing in Oregon. Then I focused on my engineering career and I been watching the car hobby from a distance since then. So, Acrylic lacquers, Poly's and base/clear systems have all come to pass in the years since, and I have not been elbows deep in it to have a good history, BUT,, I do know that isocyanates were pursued by all the little Ralph Naders in the social justice corridors of our government and they got SO regulated that to get access to that quality of product,,, you had to train and certify at such levels that it became price prohibitive because of legal liabilities for companies like Dupont after a few lawsuits got some unheard of results. [Read: crafty lawyers got CRAZY judgements that stuck]. I THOUGHT the folks at JW Hirsch told me they had two or three different options based on service results desired. Their best stuff back then, was an epoxy based set-up used in marine and aircraft applications. And wasn't cheap. But when you see a properly 'over restored' Deusenberg or Auburn engine,,, there's no mistaking the difference in presence between one of those, and a rattle canned 318 with a 340 air cleaner dropped on it by your unscrupulous 'classic car' dealer next to the interstate in Illinois.

Interesting build,Joe. One i'll be following for sure. I wanna do a 400 block/440 crank combo. I already have the forged crank & pistons.Just looking for a good 400 block now.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

I believe there were more 400’s made than 440’s. They’re definitely out there!

@shanew.williams

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe You're probably right. I know i'll find a 400 motor/block nearby. The harder part for me,in this area,is reputable machine shops (like the one you use) are getting hard to find. And with our B & RB engines' pistons setting .050 in the hole sometimes,they want to charge a fortune to mill the block or heads that much (They say the diamond tipped cutter tool they use is about wore out milling that much off).

@cygnus1965

Жыл бұрын

They are pulling your leg. Cast is soft and can be cut easily for the most part. It’s the mess they don’t like and I would Almost bet that’s why they don’t like milling off that much.

Nice job there guys there is a product called Gibbs that eliminates any rust from farming on the bare metal one application is all you need.

@JustMoparJoe

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! I’ll check it out

@mrpurcountry

Жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe I spray all the seams in the cars that I do and it stops any existing rust in the seam and prevents it from rusting any further really good stuff and it's great for loosening bolts

Better than a Dimond ring!

@JustMoparJoe

Жыл бұрын

Ed is top notch. He started his own channel. Ed’s Machine

👍😎

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

The 400 build!

Shops around me just vat your parts & do a pitiful job at that. This guy is old skool & has pride in his work

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Ed is a pro! Definitely puts out quality work

That ( show) is a pretty motor

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir

Any recommendations on ACTUAL lint-free towels?? I've purchased several different, supposed, lint-free towels (paper towel style and micro-fiber towels) and where they may be lint-free....they are still shedding "hairs" off of them that are sticking to the machined edges of the cylinders and the deck...VERY frustrating and that can be disastrous as well if that garbage clogs the oil pickup. Any help would be great! Thanks and keep the great content coming!

@JustMoparJoe

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! I know it sound’s cheap, but I get alot of clothing as “shop rags” from the family. I luck out and some have less cotton or a tighter fabric weave etc. I’m sorry I don’t have the exact thing.

Very impressive Joe! A skilled craftsman sharing his knowledge to be passed on. Your engine is gonna rock! What was the cleaner that he used?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

I was a bucket of fresh water and a big scoop of Tide detergent!

@mikestackhouse9001

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe I couldn't believe how well that worked. Most of the time blocks are hot dipped in strong chemicals or bead blasted to get them clean. That engine looked brand new and all the oil and coolant passages were brushed and flushed. First time I ever saw that method. Cool beans man.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikestackhouse9001 Ed is a conservationist. I wish I would have gotten video of it coming out if the cleaner. She was hot and smoky!

@patrickwayne3701

2 жыл бұрын

Multistage cleaning is where it's at. At different stages of the process, you need to get the years of accumulated rust and chemical crud out. In some cases hot tanking only goes so far, and to remove the coloration that has developed over the years, you have to use abrasive processes like shot peening or media blasting. Just seeing that beauty coming out of its second wash after decking and honing really brings back the memories. I apprenticed in a performance machine shop in the early 90's south of Indy. Thermal cleaning was the way to get back to pure cast iron with no staining left on the block, then re-machining the mains with a Sunnen Line Hone, then square decking and align-honing the bores to the mainline. Each stage of that process, the block would get cleaned of honing oils in a cutting tank that we used Gray Mills super agi-tene in. It was a proprietary fluid that cut off the oils, but left a drying protective layer of rust protection on the cast iron that positively stopped flash rusting. Those blocks and heads were SO DAMN SEXY. satin-like bare cast finish, right next to those beautiful machined bores and decks.... simply the most satisfying job I had EVER done, to that point in time. Clearly, as this video shows,,, it is a tedious process to get one clean enough to do it RIGHT. Thanks Joe, and ESPECIALLY Ed, for letting you film how America got great in the first place. By starting at the foundation and doing every little thing, to get it RIGHT!! 30 Years later,,, this is STILL a job that when done properly, you go home from with SUCH a feeling of sound accomplishment. Ed ROCKS!!

hot tanking should take care of all the plumbing and galleys also?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

It should. Ed doesn’t hot tank. But the cleaning and brushing is really what I wanted to show the at home guys, who are building their own engines. Many hot tank shops won’t brush and clean like this afterwards, if they’re relying solely on the acid to do the work.

Hey Joe! How far off was I with my assessment of that block? Was it pretty squared up and true? I bet the cam bore is damned near perfect too! The 76 and later blocks were the most bulletproof ones because the little tweaks meant recalibrating all the tooling. So much extra ribbing added to the water jacket and main saddles etc. Whereas anything prior to that is 20+ year old tooling that encouraged more slop (thats why the tolerances were so redunculous). But yeah man, how much extra machining was needed on this one compared to the last engine you showed us?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

This is the engine from my hidden power video, that Ed had to deck and redeck. The cam was perfect after his new bearings. But the deck was off .004-.012 front to back and side to side. He true decked it, then plateau honed it with a torque plate.

@cjm5002

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe thats not the one you just featured this week is it?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjm5002 no sir. One is the junkyard engine. One is the newly machined 400. Can’t have too many!

10 years ago there were 6 -7 machine shops in my general area. Now I think there's only 1. Is it like this in other parts of the country?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

I’d bet so. They’re kind of a dying art.

Do you know what his secret sauce in the water was?

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Tide detergent!

Coat new machined block with olive oil for storage.

@JustMoparJoe

Жыл бұрын

That’s a new one. Seems like it would work. Ok with cast iron skillets that like it or vegetable oil

@MrBlackbutang

Жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe been doing for awhile in humid seattle and Kentucky places

What was in the tank? Just soapy water? So, there was a step before this? Hot tanking? I've heard that the chemicals used in hot tanking are not politically correct, so it is hard to get a block clean. Maybe that isn't in every state.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

He used his thermal cleaner a couple times to get all the funk broken free in the water jackets, and mega grease removed. Then checked, decked, bored, and honed. Then back to the cleaner, then scrubbed here. The bucket had water and a big scoop of tide detergent. Tide has an interesting history. Check it out sometime if you get a chance.

Hello Guys why not just set the block in a tank of oil?? Just saying lol

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Good question. The machined surfaces would have a larger film of oil to remove, and the outside of the block would have to be washed again with a degreaser to get the oil out of the pores of the block, to be painted.

@1982MCI

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustMoparJoe you need to clean and degrease the outside of that block anyways before painting when you get ready tho cause it’s doused in wd-40 now which has a petroleum base, just sayin man

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Don. I always spray and pressure wash mine. In theory, you could use some brake cleaner and brushes in a few stages if you’d like to. I liked uncle Tony’s idea of heating the block with a torch. That’d cook any residual oil out. Ed is going to paint this with his cast specifically paint, that can be top coated later. I believe he uses acetone or a thinner of some kind on the paintable surfaces.

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@1982MCI kzread.info/dash/bejne/daygkqhqZdHNeco.html

Man... 5.5hr drive one way.😞

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it’s worth the distance! Thanks for the support!

Yep I don't understand why a machine shop or an individual would follow these steps . cleanliness is next to godliness . if you spend all that money on an engine built , transmission ect dont cut corners even cleaning . when I clean gasket surfaces or rebuild a carb ect I take a little bit longer to make sure the item is prepped right

@JustMoparJoe

2 жыл бұрын

You’re spot on!