I enjoyed the podcast. Would enjoy seeing more research on the application with shorter races such as XC and CX, as the research was applicable to much longer duration road race simulations. Thanks.

@TrainerRoad

3 жыл бұрын

For sure! We need to first find the research that applies to it and then speak to the researchers! If you come across any articles that would be a good fit, feel free to pass them along at trainerroad.com/podcast.

My Cardiovascular, Speed and Endurance has improved dramatically as weeks pass by getting deeper in ketosis by having a ketone body. I accomplished my first 100k Ultra Marathon in ketosis.

@donwinston

3 жыл бұрын

You're just getting fitter. Has nothing to do with being in "ketosis". How are the hills? (Oh, you're a runner)

@luisferdin8817

3 жыл бұрын

@@donwinston I've trained for years. Hills are just fine. Raced Vermont last year in Ketosis and felt great. When I get off Ketosis from time to time I do get sluggish in my running.

@luisferdin8817

3 жыл бұрын

@@donwinston I've done the diet on and off for about two years now and I do perform better in Ketosis.

@luisferdin8817

3 жыл бұрын

@@donwinston bro not only a runner lol. Check out my Facebook or Instagram. I can move weight you'll be impressed!

You don't get hungry because your Pancreas is at a resting state. Since your Pancreas is not releasing Insulin to control sugars, glucose etc... That's why you start to not get hungry. Ketones deplete as you go. You need to keep fueling with fats as you go on your event to keep ketone production to keep energy levels high!

It would be interesting to see if starting a race fasted would have similar affects because you'd be using indigenous ketone. For general health, most mornings a have a drink with several spices/herbs, ACV and baking soda. Then for about the first 30-60 minutes of exercise fasted. I wonder what affects that has on glycogen sparing, blood ph and performance.

@UbzUnclemax

3 жыл бұрын

Till the time one starts producing sufficient endogenous ketone bodies (+0,5mmol/l?), after longer than an overnight fast (+12h?), one will have lost too much muscle glycogen in the process as well. Thus, simply: no, it'd be a waste of time and money to experiment with high intensity exercise and fasting together, they just do not mix!

@kirkprl

3 жыл бұрын

@@UbzUnclemax Do you have references to back up those statement? I don't have any actual data to back up my thoughts, thats why i think the study would be interesting. I eat a mostly "paleo'ish" diet, low carb by TR standards, but I do eat rice and sweet potatoes. On the bike I use maple syrup and honey, mostly. I doubt your statement because I don't think sleep depletes muscle glycogen. By no means am I saying your wrong, I just want to be educated. I follow an 80/20 program from Matt Fitzgerald, every day isn't "high intensity" and The Maffetone Method seems to work for a lot of people.

So ketones spare muscle glycogen during long east bouts of exercise so you have more muscle glycogen left for the higher intensity finish...? Wouldn’t consuming enough carbohydrates during that period do the same thing? Then you could probably take in less bicarb because the ketones aren’t lowering the blood Ph. Definitely more work to be done.

@chrisb4491

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they said at the beginning that they maintained the same glucose intake as previously because they wanted to compare to their typical racing circumstances. They also pre-loaded with high carb meals as they typically would. So, they would have been consuming carbs along with the ketones/bicarb. I may have misunderstood something though.

Why did you put the doctor ia a Echo Chamber 😮🥴

Ketones are just another energy source. Why would they be "better" than maltodextrin? Don't ketones require more oxygen or is more oxygen needed to create ketones from your fat and exogenous ketones don't have that problem? (Later on after typing this they were saying high intensity is a problem so I guess more oxygen is required for exogenous ketones) Glucose in your blood will spare muscle glycogen also.

@TrainerRoad

3 жыл бұрын

A good follow-up question to send to trainerroad.com/podcast! ;)

The science content appears to be good stuff on this new format. However I like the team dynamics with the traditional podcast, it keeps me engaged. The audio of the guest is not good either, so I lost interest after 10 mins.