This series never gets old, I always come back 😉

I love these videos! I'm old enough to have actually built these when I was a child and I remember spending countless hours with DOS. Back then if you could type a command prompt people thought you were some kinda techno wizard!

Very nice, 10k subs are well deserved for your channel :) looking forward to your next project!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

great video, and thanks very much for your website with all the k6-plus tools.

Dude, you RULE! Thanks to you and to LGR, I'm all inspired on building my own retro gaming gig. I've already found almost all the hardware and software I need, and I want to make a video about it as soon as I receive all these parts. I'll let you know how it works out for me. Thanks a lot Phil, your videos are truly useful and great!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Cool! That's what it's all about :)

Hell yeah, new PCL video

Congrats Phil on 10k subs. Well deserved. Your vids are super crisp and clear!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@readyrepairs

7 жыл бұрын

wouldnt the best card for a system like this still just be... the best agp card? like a 9800 pro or something like that?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

readyrepairs You really got to watch the entire series to get the full picture of what's going on.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

About that "hidden video". It's not meant to be live :O You must have found it in a playlist? Oh well. Early access for you LOL. I removed it again :P

great video!!

Nice, I have a K6 2/450 kicking around in my old win98 machine...

A nice video you got there. Great roundup of the SS7. For a new project, how about doing something like creating a home-nas (samba), using Debian/Ubuntu linux? You know... For having a personal Windows network server, with all the various patches, drivers and so on.

I never knew about these DOS utils for the K62 during its time! Then again I stopped bothering with DOS around 1998 or so after I upgraded my Cyrix 686. Even though you can pull all of this off with a K6, I kind of feel like the best bet for the most passionate of vintage gamer would be a dedicated DOS machine. Maybe a P100 or K5 cpu and a voodoo 1 or voodoo rush to play the DOS glide titles. Its more of an investment sure, but far less headaches in the end imho. Great Video though and great work!!

when i had my 3dfx voodoo3 3000 i use a Small fan 50 or 60mm that i attached right to the heat sink with screws that i drilled and taped the heat sink jsut need to make sure your screws are not too long as they will hit the PCB it made the fan look stock ish...

Nice setup! I’ve also been going through all my stuff to keep one win9x gamer. I think I’m settled on a 450mhz pIII and Savage IV.

good choice with the VooDoo 3. from personal experience the picture quality is the best of all.

Both of my SS7 AMD cpus are K62-500. It's disappointing but I have a Socket 5 Pentium 90 and a Pentium-3 750 to play with. I've retired the 486DX2-80 and AMD 5x86-133 for now as the other two get the job done. You've motivated me to buy a K63+-450 now though. I have a TNT2 that needs a home.

wow it's very flexible! i would want one myself :D

Keep up the good work Phil! I enjoy all of you're video's. Ik have some nice retro PC's myself. One with an AMD Athlon Classic Slot A. Are you going to do a video of these kind of CPU's?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Nice! Hmm Slot A is something I don't have any gear I'm afraid.

The highest I got my K6-III+ was around 550 MHz before things started to get iffy. Paired it with quite a few GPU's including the nVidia Geforce 2 Ultra, which was a monster of a card in terms of memory bandwidth. It was also bloody heavy lol. This combo allowed me to play GTA III at higher resolutions with lots of detail, and it played fantastic! Just couldn't put it down. I later upgraded the GPU to a nVidia Geforce 4 Ti 4200, which whilst being reasonably fast was held back somewhat by the CPU's weak FPU compared to the competition. GTA Vice City struggled whenever the screen got rammed, especially with lots of explosions and smoke effects. If memory serves me right I also managed to run Far Cry on the same rig, but again you had to be careful what settings to use as it really wasn't the best CPU. Some folks posted stories of them getting their CPU upto and beyond 700 MHz, but to be honest you could see the writing on the wall..it just wasn't fast enough in terms of raw FPU performance. What really nailed it for me was when Icr saw an AMD Duron - supposedly a 'budget' processor - running the same games at such a speed I had to catch my breath. But there again, the K6-III+ was able to keep Super 7 alive for a long time..way longer than Intel's best offerings. One thing I really liked about the K6-III/III++ however, was faster loading thanks to its 256KB L2 cache. Your board's L2 cache effectively became L3 (albeit running at the FSB speed) once you added this CPU, for even more speed. Then you could in some cases, increase the FSB from 33 MHz to 37.5 in order to obtain faster I/O performance. My board had an 83 MHz FSB option but I never used that for fear of destroying the hard drive. But even without this, general I/O performance felt so snappy..No wonder they were so popular in servers. Happy days :)

Hi Phil, Please can you tell me how are you doing for keeping the 4/3 screen ratio on a 16/9 monitor ? Happy new year and best wishes

Man I wish I had this many PCI slots on my Super Socket 7 board.

Have a Voodoo3, but been using a Quadro FX500, super cheap, really nice output and will never be GPU bound. Works well in DOS too. Voodoos are getting pricey and some are dying as well

Congratulations on 10k!!!! Where did you got that simple custom testbench? i am looking to build one alike.

@soylentgreenb

4 жыл бұрын

There are some old chassis where you can remove a motherboard tray; I think maybe that’s what this is.

Before you recorder Part1 you knew you will choose Voodoo3, we're all knew. Thumb up for hard work comparison and recording them all

Suggestion: I'm curious about 2 video cards for review but i don't know if you have or if you can find and buy. One is the SIS Xabre 200 and the other is Trident Blade 9880, both agp. I had them, was very simple cards but worked fine during my windows 98se/xp era.

dear Phil, would it be possible to create a video with the Voodoo5 and games that push its limits? like trying later games be it Max Payne, Thps3, gta3 etc? there s no such vid on the net and Ive always been curious to know the limits of the V5. thank you

I think you should have picked the Savage 2000 or Quadro2 for 32 bit support, but to each his own.

Another option for a single sound card solution is a soundblaster Live! which has excellent dos drivers and good sounding midi support, can use the "waveblaster" option in games that have it like Duke 3D. Although having the Vortex 2 for the A3D is definitely a bonus.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yea there are lots of options.

@OrbitalSP2

7 жыл бұрын

but the Live emulates a SB16 under DOS right? Or maybe I'm mistaken....

@TheSynrgy1987

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah it does, however it can be a pain to get PCI cards working well with all games under pure DOS, DOS via windows 98 should work fine though.

since i just found my fic va -503+ with k6-2 333 i can finally build that 4 in 1 pc . only with a v3 2000 my piii has the v3 3000. thanks for your awesome vids as always phil.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Cheers :)

@brunorbf

7 жыл бұрын

Please confirm if your motherboard is a later revision, in case that voodoo 3 2000 is AGP. Early SS7 FIC mobos had linear AGP voltage regulators, unable to provide suficient amperage, and FIC recommended avoiding AGP voodoo 3's to avoid damage on the motherboards.

@joselemusjr6451

7 жыл бұрын

+Bruno Filipe its pci my agp v3 is in my pii rig.

I went with a very similar setup, 4MB Riva 128 instead of the Voodoo 3, AWE64 paired with the Aopen AW744L instead of the Aureal 2 because I simply found the Aureal 2 far more useful in my Athlon XP machine in games like Half Life and Quake 3 at high resolution. The A3D option in most games just crunched the fps because the K6-2+ seemed too weak to handle it. The Sensaura 3D sound on the Aopen isnt really that bad but i tend to leave it off. I'm playing more dos games than windows games on this gear, so i'm mainly using either the OPL in dos or the XG midi (suprisingly amazing) in windows. The AWE64 for me is just about using the SB16 capabilities and the odd AWE32 soundtrack (which i must say can be really nice - i spent a good 50 hrs playing X-Com because the music was just so good). Both real nice cards. Overall a great dos pc. Cheers, your videos as usual point people in a good direction :)

The f22 game have at novalogic sure have the update download patch can you make a video how to download the update and install correct

I didnt knew you could set the clock from k6-III+ to 100*2.0 :O ( I was thinking it was going to set the cpu to 600MHz)

Great video Phil, Thank you Do you have any links for that sound card mixer?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

XENYX 502 from Behringer!

@georgez8859

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil

Hi. Is it possible to set voodoo screen to 640x512 if you have 1280x1024 monitor? For me finding decent non smearing good scaling monitor is a problem.. All best

Thanks. My first capable self-built computer was Socket 7 AMD K6-2 266Mhz. with Riva TNT 2 M64 and 4x32MB EDO RAM. It was capable of NFS 4. Before that I was building 2-3-and 486 machines while my friends had Pentium III already. I remember that the Socket 7 machine played even somewhat better than some cheap PIII-s. Brings back alot of memories... I'd suggest trying to make as good LGA775 machine as possible. You could mod it to Socket 771 and have some high-end Xeon in there. Iguess these can take even the latest Geforce 1080. I wonder if a good LGA775 PC could play all the new games.

@snowy12355

7 жыл бұрын

the good 771 xeons can play the newest games

@moritzrudolf5370

7 жыл бұрын

+jhiuzgztfztfgvugzfzg An X5460 is a good choice for LGA771/775 because it has 4x3.16GHz and is only about 20$.

@StarlancerAstro

7 жыл бұрын

Building a 775 Xenon right now, have a Q6600 in it now but the xenon will be better, all from a dumpster find computer! Even a cooler master 850w PS

Nice video series, phil. Thanks for all the insight. Would have been great, if you could have explored the possibilities of the DFI board and "Throttle.exe". It's a tool that can further slow down a machine by issuing some ACPI commands. The VIA MVP chipset is a good choice as it supports throttling in even finer steps as other chipsets. On some board, you can control the throttling through the BIOS, so the throttle tool isn't needed with them. Does the DFI BIOS support this?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Ah throttle. Yea not a big fan of that tool to be honest. Can cause weird issues and joystick drift.

@ChrisR3tro

7 жыл бұрын

Not sure we're talking about the same tool. It's not a software based throttling tool such as bremze, slowdown or moslo. www.oldskool.org/pc/throttle/DOS/

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yup that's the one, I know it well.

Phil, replace image on this video, it says part 5. :) oh, good job btw :)

+PhilsComputerLab have you had a chance to benchmark a Matrox Parhelia yet? Thanks for your videos.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I had a look, but these are for Windows XP, so I doubt I will get one. Haven't found a cheap one either and also the cable adapter thingy is usually missing.

Great versatile choices.Many of my vintage 1990's systems use the Voodoo 3 3000 as the Voodoo 3 3500 is harder to get and much more expensive.I'd like to have one someday though.I like your final sound card choices as that is what I tend to often use in my systems as well.Most of my vintage systems however are less versatile than this build of yours but more year specific like I'll have a couple each of 1999,1998,1997,1996,1995 etc systems.These I prefer to have components in them generally from that year.I make some exceptions however and put in larger capacity hard drives. One combat flight sim that I loved with 3dfx cards and it looked so much better with a 3Dfx card in glide rather than in Direct X was European Air War from Microprose which is a combat flight simulation about the air battles in Europe during World War II.It was highly popular for flight sim players back then.Lot's of people love classic warbirds just like many people love classic cars.War well no love for that but if its a game and has some historical aspects to it than its AOK.

@brostenen

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah.... Got a couple of 3500's last year. 10 US Dollars a piece. They were absolutely low price, only because the seller had like over 100 cards. They are the same as the one Phil uses. People say they are somewhat rare. I don't know if that is true or not.

@m9078jk3

7 жыл бұрын

Man that was a steal for only $10 each.Congratulations. When I bought the 3Dfx Voodoo 3 new in 1999 it was the Voodoo 3 2000 PCI version because my AMD K6-2 system didn't have an AGP slot

@brostenen

7 жыл бұрын

True.... V3 are the best of all Voodoo cards. V2-Sli are sometimes too expensive for what it is, V4 really do not offer anything really special compared to V3 and V5 are just too expensive for what it is. I will go for a GF2 (not MX) paired with a V2-sli over an V5 at any time.

Not all motherboards and graphics card's function with ems! lol thank you for mentioning the importance of your dos settings config.sys autoexec.bat!

I had a feeling you would go with the Voodoo 3 card since you added the fan to it :)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, yea dead giveaway.

@si4632

7 жыл бұрын

i remember i bought a geforce ddr for my k6-2 550 i think the cpu bottle necked it big time lol

Name e model the Mainboard?

So all these years since IDE, we were told it was best to run a HDD and an optical drive on different cables because the speed, EMI, and better for the IDE controller. I remember it especially when using cdrw drives. Is there any bottlenecks of having a HDD and optical drive on the same ribbon cable on this machine?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I never "felt" any difference. Totally subjective I know. It's just less clutter for me using a single cable.

congrats on 10k Phil now plz do a face reveal

Unfortunately the Screamer 2 patch doesn't work with Voodoo 4 and 5 cards... I'm looking for a Voodoo 3 for my next retro-pc!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Ah bugger.

Interesting choice of V3 3500 + AWE64 + Vortex 2.. I'd be interested to see how the G400 works alongside V2 SLI.. Specifically regarding VGA output quality. Any chance of that happening? Also, congrats on 10k!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Well Ive done 6 videos on this Super Socket 7 topic >

@mattafaak

7 жыл бұрын

I've been keeping up with the videos, and I've been enjoying them immensely. I figured you would end up going with the TNT2 or Savage2000, though I do understand the use of the V3 for straight-up Glide support. And it seems to be as solid of a DOS card as any other.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yea it just covers all the bases well. DOS, Glide, Windows, great compatibility, sharp image, good speed... I want to do something similar down the track with a faster Pentium III. A Slot 1 machine. Not sure about the clock speed, I find 500 MHz too slow seeing you have so many choices. Might go with a 700 or 800 MHz or something like that. I think Nvidia will easily win that one :D

@mattafaak

7 жыл бұрын

When I had the space for more frivolous projects, I put together a Tualatin P3 1.4, with an old 440BX board I had since high school. I figured that the fastest GPUs that were electrically compatible with the board would be Radeon 9700 Pro and Geforce 5950 Ultra, so I picked up one of each.. As it turns out, for AGP4X cards at least, ATI was the way to go. The GF5 series wasn't Nvidia's proudest moment.. Hah!

Phil I'm curious how would you handle the CD audio in a dual sound card setup like this?

@RetroPcCupboard

4 ай бұрын

I believe he would route the CD audio to his external mixer. But you could just connect the analog CD audio to the ISA card and either use the digital output to the PCI soundcard (if it supports that) or just enable digital playback of CD audio in Windows. No cable required then, as it goes down the IDE cable as digiital data.

what's the model of that external audio mixer?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

XENYX 502 from Behringer!

I know this is a old video but in old cpu's was such thing as IPC. because even if you slow down the proccessor for DOS gaming wouldnt IPC still have an effect?

@philscomputerlab

Жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely. That's why some CPUs are better for slow down then others. MMX Pentium for example is very fast. Regular Pentium and K6 are slower.

@maynardcrow6447

Жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab I looked on Google after I asked you and I couldn't find anything. Thank you for the reply.

Alpha blending to smoother has a better quality on smoke effects. I recommend the tool v.control: www.3dfxzone.it/koolsmoky/vctrl.html 3D Filter: High (2x2 Box) Alpha Blending: Smoother , for best quality and Normal (4x1) & Sharper for best speed

would you be able to get better performance with an overclocked pentium 233?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

The FPU of the Pentium IS much stronger, so that's a good question. In Quake and Quake II it could be very close that's for sure.

6:43 In Screamer 2 I lose my joystick after 3dfx patch. Can anyone help me out how to make a joystick work with 3dfx patch on Screamer 2 ?

@armorgeddon

3 жыл бұрын

Are you running in pure DOS with gameport joystick? All I know is that I never had a problem with that back in the day when I played Screamer 2 3dfx with my gameport steering wheel and pedals. I used a dedicated gameport ISA card though.

@Gigagamer74

3 жыл бұрын

@@armorgeddon Yes, I use a pure DOS, gameport joystick and 3dfx patch for Screamer 2. Ufter the 3dfx putch my joystick become too sensetive and I can not put my steering wheel in game in a right position with new joysticks sensetivity.

@armorgeddon

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gigagamer74 Did you recalibrate your input device? Apart from that it sounds like the typical speed issue the whole gameport technology suffers from though I can't come up with a reason why the 3dfx patch would influence that. Really strange or just coincidence. To cope with the speed issue the highend gameport cards like the Thrustmaster ACM Gamecard came with an external speed dial which lets you change the gameports polling rate on the fly. Maybe you should try to find one of those to buy or try another/additional soundcard if that gameport works better. Generally the best place to ask for more advice would be the Vogons forum probably.

@Gigagamer74

3 жыл бұрын

@@armorgeddon During recalibrating my input device sensitivity becomes too hi. I just can not recalibrate my joystick at all.

Your thumbnail says Part 5 instead of 6! Just thought I'd let you know. I'd say that overall the Matrox G400 Max is the best - great output, decent performance, dual monitors. Part of this video sounds like an episode of the Computer Chronicles with Stuart Chiefet!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Fixed the thumbnail :)

@jamesoleruster

7 жыл бұрын

+PhilsComputerLab Hey Phil, I'm curious as to how the most powerful AGP cards run on SS7, and how they compare to this lineup here. All AGP Nvidia cards will run on Windows 9x, and the fastest Radeon that I'm aware will run on Windows 9x based systems is the 9800. Can you do a video on that?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

They will be CPU limited. I used pretty powerful cards, and you can see this in the videos, the faster ones are often slower because they are not tuned for these old games and also you have to use newer, slower, drivers.

@AiOinc1

7 жыл бұрын

+PhilsComputerLab I noticed.

@AiOinc1

7 жыл бұрын

+jamesoleruster best card I've got is a GeForce 7950 GT - probably one of the best AGP cards ever made, I suppose I could drop it into a Pentium II if that counts. I don't have an SS7 system anymore, both of mine broke, I think. One overheated and refused to start up, and the other works on a blue moon (once every few months or so it'll decide to work correctly and boot, but if you have to shut it down for any reason, it'll never start up again!).

wooo 10k subs and + 13minutes from upload, i must still post minutes xD

But what you have here is the quintessential Ultimate Windows 98 PC. Ballance performance with compatibility and productivity.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I think so also. Like I said in the video, I actually picked too new games for the benchmarks. It's just that the older ones don't have any decent benchmarks built in. Learnt that lesson, might have to use FRAPS instead :) But all the slightly older games, especially with Glide support, run like a dream. Plus DOS bonus :)

That rubber band on the fan will become like uncooked dried spaghetti, only more fragile, when it oxidizes in 6 months to a few years. (the seem to oxidize much faster under tension than relaxed in their container)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Then I just put a new one on :)