Vocals Only for Bleed Comparison: Mic #1 - AKG C 520 - 3:55 Mic #2 - Crown CM-311A - 5:35 Mic #3 - DPA 4088-B - 7:36 Mic #4 - Sennheiser ME 3-II - 8:53 Mic #5 - Shure Beta 54 - 10:32 Mic #6 - Audio-Technica ATM73cW - 11:57 Mic #7 - Shure Beta 56 - 14:09 Mic #8 - Telefunken M80-SH - 16:49

@brosolution

6 жыл бұрын

This helps bro ✌

@365expressions5

5 жыл бұрын

life saver thanks! back n forth comparison is a must

@abelespinoza1972

4 жыл бұрын

so which of the headset mics is better?

@IanValencio

4 жыл бұрын

@@abelespinoza1972 after watching the full video, for me the top 3 are Shure 54, Shure 56, and the Telefunken

@Swervbot_

4 жыл бұрын

@@abelespinoza1972 Telefunken has the least amount of drum bleed, followed by the 56, then the CROWN. That's what I can hear at least.

hearing the mix with the drums bleeding into the (solo'd) vox mic is very very helpful. great vocals, NDV!

I’m a singing drummer and I just bought a Beta 56a because of my research here. Awesome!! One thing I did do, to lessen the proximity effect, is replace out the stock windscreen with a Beta 58 round style windscreen. This increases the distance from the element slightly and cuts down on P’s and B’s a bit (as this windscreen is more tailored for vocals). Makes it more like singing into a regular vocal mic. Thanks, Sweetwater!

@abbyknapp4211

5 жыл бұрын

I'm shopping for my friend who is an aspiring singing drummer and I bought the Beta 56, but do I need any other equipment for him to get started?

@RafaelFolhaOficiall

Жыл бұрын

Meu amigo o que seria o pára-brisas ?

Only singing 3:54 AKG C 520 5:35 Crown CM 311 7:36 DPA 4088-B 8:53 Sennheiser Me3-II 10:34 Shure Beta 54 11:57 Audio technica ATM73cW 14:11 Shure Beta 56 16:51 Telefunken M80-SH

@jenward8916

3 ай бұрын

Do U have to hook up to anything I'm th only one up on th stage

Man, I would love to study under Nick. He’s got so much diverse musical knowledge.

Vocals Only for Bleed Comparison: Mic #1 - AKG C 520 - 3:55 Mic #2 - Crown CM-311A - 5:35 Mic #3 - DPA 4088-B - 7:36 Mic #4 - Sennheiser ME 3-II - 8:53 Mic #5 - Shure Beta 54 - 10:32 Mic #6 - Audio-Technica ATM73cW - 11:57 Mic #7 - Shure Beta 56 - 14:09 Mic #8 - Telefunken M80-SH - 16:49 I think I would like the head-worn only option because the mic stand mounted mics requires your drummer/ performer to have consistency on singing into the mic. If the drummer goes for a drum-fill/ complicated phrases his head would need to move away from the mic capsule to see where he's playing. So that's a no go for me. Also SNR ratio of the singer is very important to prevent feedback from monitors on stage. More signal from the singing as opposed to ambient noise feeding in to the mic. So the cleaner/ drier the signal, the better. So my consideration would only be Crown CM311 & Shure Beta 54. The DPA has good bass extension but in a live situation with a noisy environment, an engineer would use a High Pass Filter anyway.

@hofstadter4355

2 жыл бұрын

what about the microphone, electro voice ND44? it is suitable for Singing Drummer?

Nick kills it again! These videos are so natural and Nick showcases products in such a great way

@sweetwater

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking it out, Bradley! 😎

@anthonyn1312

Жыл бұрын

@@sweetwater What stand are you using for the microphone?

Nick . . . this is SO helpful! As a singing drummer, have been fighting mic bleed over the snare forever . . . had NO idea the super cardioid would be such an asset . . . I am currently using the crown . . . and definitely changing!!!

@brosolution

6 жыл бұрын

Do you have any issues whit the crown mic? I was thinking on getting one would you recommend?

@PaulGuyon

Жыл бұрын

@@brosolution I use the Crown and, in my live situation, it works great, I don't have the bouncing problem because I keep the element pretty close to my lips.

When Vocals Begin 3:20 AKG C 520 5:01 Crown CM 311 7:02 DPA 4088-B 8:19 Sennheiser Me3-II 9:58 Shure Beta 54 11:23 Audio technica ATM73cW 13:35 Shure Beta 56 (High Note 13:57) 16:15 Telefunken M80-SH (High Note 16:37)

Wow, what an interesting video! It was fascinating to hear the bleed coming from the drums when just the vocal mic was playing back. Nice drumming and singing. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video!

Great video! Would love to see an update or a part 2, comparing just the stubby mics beyond the Shure and Tele, e.g., e604, D2, V Beat, etc.

I'm not a drummer (I can work well with machines) but, I am a lead vocalist who's ALWAYS interested in microphones of all types and brands and, how they sound in comparison situations. I liked this presentation a great deal! It also gave me a few surprises? The DPA 4088 gave me the biggest surprise of all but, all in all, I think they all performed admirably in this test and so, it's still a tough choice for anyone to make? I myself use a Shure WH20 XLR with an Alesis Miclink, in my act for when I need both hands free. The Alesis Miclink is a superb piece of kit for so little money and it's going to drive down prices in the wireless arena, for sure which, at the end of the day is a good thing for all of us! John A. Christie, Leeds, Yorkshire, UK

First of all, I watched the video fully intent on a headset microphone. I have opened my mind back up to a dynamic. Secondly, I think the tune was optimal for the purpose and the entire video was objective, helpful, and nicely executed. Just as expected from Sweetwater, and Nick.

@sweetwater

6 жыл бұрын

We truly appreciate the kind words, Jules! Thanks for checking out the video, we're glad you enjoyed it! 😊👍

@julesplace9107

6 жыл бұрын

SweetwaterSound Andrew has an email waiting from me!!!

more listened to this than watched it, and to my ear, the shures are definitely the best sounding. gotta get me a beta 54..

This my good sir...was AWESOME! Thankyou

Thank you Nick, very informative. I've used a Shure 58 on a gooseneck over the top of my head for decades. The form factor of the Beta 56 looks useful. Not being able to "work the mic" or get away from it to cough or curse the bass player will likely keep me away from the headset style.

To my ear the standout winners are the AKG C520, the DPA4088, and the Shure Beta 54. The Shure and the DPA seem to have a little less bleed through than the AKG. The Shure sounds almost (95%) as good as the DPA, so for the money, the Shure is the winner unless you just have the additional $429 laying around you don't need.

Wow! Thanks for this incredible video, Nick! It was so helpful. Our drummer is using a Crown CM-311a right now and we're getting TONS of bleed from his kit, and it's been murderous in our in-ears! I think we should try the Telefunken M80. That one seemed to have the best drumSound rejection and, as you rightly pointed out, allows the drummer to actively use mic technique to get their desired effect. I'm so glad you mentioned that bc that's actually a pretty big deal. As a singing guitarist, I know the benefit of being able to do that. And I think our drummer would love to have that control, as well. Last thing - your drumming on KG's "Shaming Of The True" was simply amazing. Thanks for everything you're doing at Sweetwater. You're the man!

He has a very nice voice. I liked the sound of the Crown CM311A the best.

Awesome video. And respect for having the guts to show us the vocals without reverb. A lot of people would cheat a little there. That really helps to hear the difference between the models. I'm definitely going for the Shure Beta 57A. The fact that you can't move the mic with a headset just makes the sound too static. Plus, because of my long hair, it's not practical. Anyone know what gooseneck model he's using?

Dynamic with the same setup is my personal preference but I will wear a headset if I have too. I do a lot of backing vocals when I play drums and I love supercardioid pattern mics for vocals. I use many microphones on my kit. Shure, Telefunken, Audio Technica and Sennheiser. The song sounds very Cirque D'Soliel. I know that Nick D'Virgillo worked there, great drummer and vocalist.

I've seen some of your reviews of drum products, but I never thought you would be a singer as well. It's pretty amazing!

man oh man great drummer and he sings ? WOW !!!!

@TheJLPShow

6 жыл бұрын

Dude check out Spock's Beard...

That Telefunken M80 is just so smoooooooth.

the crown cm 311-a's my favorite one

He has an amazing voice! Oh my god! Like it you agree👍

Been singing and playing for a while and my Sennheiser e935 has been flawless. I do love the right angle cable shown here. I'll have to get me one of those.

I have used an AKG C555 L. Works for me, just fine.

I switched over to the shure beta 56 myself a while back i really like it and the smaller footprint works really well

I'm surprised they didn't include the Sure WH20 headset "Dynamic" mic. It's the only headset that I know of that is Not a condenser mic. I've been using them for about 10 years now. Am I the only one?

I found this video super useful! A word for improvement - either have time codes for quick fire comparison of vocals solo'd or stack them all up at the end of the video!

Fantastic review!!! Man this is so useful. Great singing too!

very good cool video demo, requiring your best in-depth hearing, lol. No matter how u slice it, there's "give and take", "gain and trade-off", "positive and negative" to absolutely everything and that's just how it is.. so "specifics" become the choices determined.. Wish a few more dynamic mics were in the demo too. They all have their unique "special qualities" desired for entire various details involved with the vocal, drum kit, and backing track combined. I hear a touch more mid range in a few mics that muddy up quality, and hear a bit of distance in a few others, plus a few of the mics would allow the backing track volume to be turned up a bit eventho the subject matter topic is mostly about drum bleed.. Think I like the Telefunken M80 short body the best for dynamic mic, technique, and cable as my top gear choice to check in to.. The AKG C520 is a top headset pick I'd choose 'cause it's very clean and mixes very well blended to all three vocal, kit, and backing track. I have the Crown CM 311A and have had to do some custom alterations on it. After hearing it in this demo, to me, it and the DPA 4088 and the Shure Beta 54 would all be great mics for distant background vocals or for use with special auxiliary sampled backing effect needs that I can almost hear in the track, but it's a quick guitar note that almost sounds like a quick sampled voiced word.. I'm really most impressed with the overall quality of the Audio-Technica ATM73. I'm a rock singing drummer and I'm going to have to get one of those Apollo 8P Quad interfaces. I like those drum mics being used and their functional directional abilities too..

Amazing test and awsome musician!

Very helpful video! Nick is such a Pro. Thanks so much.

I've used headset mics, but I've used a Shure SM58 for the past 20 years 😃

@peterdent2019

3 жыл бұрын

@Tomi Igo handheld mic

NDV is the best singing drummer I know...what a great musician!

Excellent work. I tried the Beta 56a because in this video the bleed is quite comparable to the Beta 54 headset. I’ve compared it to my AKG D7 and the drums sound better through that, with similar bleed. The 56a introduces a bit of snare drum ring which is a bit annoying. As Nick said, you can use any quality dynamic mic. Still looking for a headset but waiting for a sale. Thanks again for the great video.

EXCELLENT video as always, Nick!

Great options man you just got a new subs hello from the skabros in Guadalajara

yo, Don Henley was a singing drummer?! Phil Collins of course. he's so good. By the way, excellent is not a word for reviews I use, but seriously on the uptick, this mic review vid was stellar and laid out with the minute slices. stellar!

Really helpful video, thanks Nick!

My favorite Drummer & Vocalist is Ringo Starr.

Fantastic video sweetwater! Nick's a musical beast.

Excellent! Hey shout out to Rare Earth's lead singer drummer Peter, massive hits and a show that blew this teenager totally away, back in the day. Anyone else get that experience?

Nick fr got the voice of an angel

You should really check out his solo works and the SB albums where he was the lead singer! "Karma", "Feel Euphoria", "Octane" and so on...

Is this the "that's the ticket" guy? I love that guy!

What a great Video. I often buy things from Sweetwater BECAUSE they make it easy to know what you need.

VERY helpful video! Thank you, guys. I do wish he'd have mentioned Karen Carpenter in his list of singing drummers, just to catch everyone off guard. :-)

Have any singing drummers tried the EV N96 ? (which is the current version of the older EV N/D967) I've read that it has the best off axis noise rejection, best for use on a very loud stage. And without a terrible proximity effect. Generally speaking, what mic has the best rejection from directly behind the mic? Dynamic mics are either cardioid or supercardioid, which both have some pickup from the rear. Why isn't there a mic that rejects the direct behind as well as it rejects the side noise?

Wow! I did not know howgood a singer he was!

What a beautiful singing voice. I had no idea 😅

Wow, great voice!

Any chance we could get a list of items for the dynamics stand and gooseneck

I’d love to see console settings/meters. I’ve had a lot of success with the EV ND-96 (this video being 5 yrs old, it’s relatively new) with drummers the venue I work at. It’s a boomy warehouse kinda thing. Would love to see an updated video with the newer mics available.

Telefunken 80 nice voice Nick. Excellent

Sheesh!! Nick sings, too?! Sighs... Thanks for this great video!! This is the best demo for this subject matter!!!

Incredibly valuable video! great job #singingdrummers

Beta 56 all day, lowest bleed while retaining good tone on the vocals

Sweetwater must love having someone like Nick on board.

Great video!!! Thanks!!

My word what a great talent

AKG C520 sounds pretty warm for a head set condenser, i like most.

Which one is the

Awesome mics! But Nick, you stole the show. Killer! What a musician.

@sweetwater

6 жыл бұрын

👍 Thanks for checking out the video!

can I only use the vocal mic to also record drum at the same time? will it sounds really bad?

No idea why I'm watching this as I can't hit one note at all, I can only play the drums. But it's a good video haha!

The 56 was best. Warmest + almost no bleed. Head worn mics are just not going to eliminate HH and snare because of direction.

I can’t decide between the Shure Beta 34 or the Telefunken M80.

Sad the gain staging was too hot on all of these mics

@AndrewCarterBeauty

Жыл бұрын

I was noticing that as well! I keep getting recommended dpa as a brand, but from this video i hate it... obviously the gain staging has a lot to do with that, but as someone who is quite a loud singer, i dont feel a dpa headset would work well for me, especially considering the very high price

Nick, thanks so much for creating this video! I am a singing drummer and am about to buy a headset mic. This was extremely helpful! Also, REALLY nice drumming, vocals and a catchy tune. That will be playing in my head all day now! "Every day I, sit and wait...." What is the name of your song and is it available for purchase / download? I'd like to hear the rest of it.

@heathesara

Жыл бұрын

I would like to hear the rest of the tune, too! Great lyrics!

Man! … Sweetwater definitely found the right guy, for this gig!

I prefer the Beta 56 with Nick's vocal tonality and color.

what microphone model stand are you using

Idk how well this would work, but wouldn't inverting the polarity of your mic cancel out the drums bleeding through? Phase cancellation? Again, it might be suboptimal, but if you're in a pinch...

Which is the best headset mic if you want to play guitar and sing .. which can reproduce nice vocals into the mixer

Do you know what mic is suitable for music director at drum.. With something sensor auto at behind mic.. When we close to mic it will sound.. If far.. So won't capture drums area

Crown headset and the Telefunken for me. they are the best.

Excellent video! Anyone try with digital drums? Not sure if bleed is an advantage there. I don’t want pad noise in the mix at all.

Can u pls suggest any of microphone only for singing Means for Singer. Shure beta 56 is good or Sennhieser ME-3 ?

What kind of stand are you using? Because I have a Beta Shure 56a too and I am a drum singer some of the time (I am lead singer and I play guitar as well) but anyway I want to know what kind of stand that is so I can use my shure? And if you could provide a link please.

Have you tested if a shotgun mic like Sennheiser MKH416 might actually work for this purpose when positioned close to your mouth?

DPA is always a good choice

DPA 4088 sounded the best in my opinion, but all the others (except for the super cardio which cut some of the voice sometimes) sounded pretty good.

@robburgess4556

6 жыл бұрын

I liked the 4088 as well, or the Beta 56 which gave a bit more low end presence. In truth though, none of them were actually bad.

Very helpful video Thanks a lot Nick D'Virgilio and Sweatwater. I live in Germany and be interested in the Crown CM-311a but it isn't available here... Do someone know a possibility how I could get one of these?

do any of the headset mics happen to have a mute switch? just curious, would be nice not to have to depend on the sound engineer for that when not singing.

@sweetwater

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, Aaron! Jose here from Sweetwater. Great question! Depending on if you are using a wireless pack or not, there are options that would have mute functionality. In my experience, there are some in-line switches that would do the trick as well, if you are using a wired microphone that does not have a built-in mute switch. I would love to speak with you more on this, so feel free to reach out to me directly at my details below. Thanks for the interest! Jose Gonzalez, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1786, jose_gonzalez@sweetwater.com

anyone know the brand of mic for the rack and floor tom ?

I’m guessing you didn’t add a noise gate to the mics?

Very helpful review. Hmm, I think I need to take voice lessons now..

I just bought the Shure Beta 56 mic...which gooseneck were you referring to? I'm a singing drummer too.

i sing really hard and my headset mic clips on the high notes. the only thing that helps is backing the mic away from my mouth but then you lose quality. Anyone? Help me out !!

Sweetwater what about the microphone, electro voice ND44? it is suitable for Singing Drummer?

I am wondering if the hook parts that go over the ears, such as the AKG C 520, interfere with and make it uncomfortable when using in ears with the in ear cable going over the ear as well. How would it best be worn when using both?

Any loud chest signers here tried one of these? I'd like 2 read your reviews.

I have big problems of ears (tinnitus... ) ans I cant use headphones (I have speakers). The probleme is when im playing with friends on discord there is a big echo.. I have a cardioide mic but its not good. Do you think the senneihser me-3 can just pick up the sound of my voice and not pick up the soind of my speakers. Thx

What if you cough or breath heavily, after a rapid fire drum fill. Is that an issue with headworn mics?

Whence can I get that overhead microphone stand?

sweeeeet looking drums!

The comment about using a stand gooseneck vs a headset is very important if you are singing background vocal and lead vocal parts as I do. As far as drum bleed I think they were all pretty similar with the difference primarily how the kick is getting picked up between brands.. High frequencies seem to get picked up on all of them to one degree or another. IMO