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@arun_kumar0

7 ай бұрын

No mention of Kalaripayattu??? comeon guys, Kalaripayattu is one of the oldest martial art form from India.

@victordjinn632

7 ай бұрын

As I understand it, Bruce Lee saw that there was a problem with martial arts. To be doing a recognized system you have to train and move within a rigid framework. Get outside of that and you're doing something else. It's called style. Bruce called style "vertical death". It took me some time to understand that. But, I get it. I spent most of the decade of the seventies in the street. Every fight I've been in was a real one. I've had people try to kill me. After I learned how to fight by fighting, I learned the elements of boxing. The only formal martial art I trained in was Chinese Kempo Karate. I told sensei "this isn't what I do". He understood. I left the club. I told him that I'd come back when I can appreciate the "art" aspect of Kempo. It didn't happen. Sensei died. The club closed. Many years later I met a man that has many detractors. Nevertheless, I trained with him, and he knows a great deal about this. You might want to talk to Christophe Clugston. His method is not attribute driven. It is performance driven. You don't have to drill this stuff for years to become a "technician". After a few hours you'd be amazed at how fast you ramp up to speed. There are streetfighters out there that say "martial artists have had their day". They're right. It's called technology. And yes it has advanced. Contact Chris and get his version of it. And the detractors? Yeah, I've heard it all before. So has he.

@brandonholsather2171

7 ай бұрын

Muay Thai is number 1 in street

@brandonholsather2171

7 ай бұрын

How can you put boxing at same level as kickboxing.

@Raven675

2 ай бұрын

Talk about Baji Quan please it's Chinese and Taiwan bodyguard chose style and even Emperor guard practices it.

I love to see people giving Catch Wrestling the respect it deserves.

@bashlivingstonstampededojo882

7 ай бұрын

Catch is awesome there's so much leverage behind those submissions and the neck cranks are devastating

@americanosbadassius9292

7 ай бұрын

I can't wait until catch wrestling catches on!

@punteroism

7 ай бұрын

Where do you guys find catch wrestling? It's hard enough finding judo let alone adult wrestling. But I can't throw a rock without hitting another bjj gym.

@lastmanstanding5423

7 ай бұрын

​@@punteroism it's almost impossible to find indeed. So I started going to Wrestling in an MMA gym. And I bought a bunch of Catch instructionals by Billy Robinson and Josh Barnett and I try to incorporate as much of it as I can. Also next month I'm flying to UK for Catch world championship (as a spectator). But I'll visit Wigan Snake Pit and for the first time have a few classes of proper Catch. Grappling is grappling... and doing something is better than doing nothing. Get some instructionals... get a grappling dummy... and find some people willing to roll with you. That's a start ;)

@moefinesse9878

7 ай бұрын

catch wrestling borrowed their submissions from jujitsu. this is a fact

I think you should split the ranking videos for self-defense and MMA into separate videos

@questionyourself718

Ай бұрын

I agree. Two very different scenarios.

@kingofapes9999

13 күн бұрын

i dont even think MMA should be included as martial arts on this list. Because MMA simply took the best things from others martial arts and was not developed the technique/style itself. While the others martial art was developed over centuries or even millennia of experience and effort to get its technique and style as we know it today.

There's nothing like a professional fighter to tell us what works and what doesn't in a fight as long as there are no more than two individuals involved, and yet making it clear that other martial arts have their positive points in training the body in some aspects. I'm with him. BJJ for the win, but you have to learn some striking as well.

@ghengiskhan9308

7 ай бұрын

I disagrees with him when he put kudo below bjj. If you're a kudoka you could go into anything really and move up quiet quickly because you already have a grasp of the movements while in bjj you have to basically start from scratch in wrestling and striking then get the skill to transition between them into groundwork. For street fighting its a no brainer which one is better

@Purwapada

7 ай бұрын

its good in theory, but his points are illogical and inconsistent

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

He speaks from experience, and he’s correct in all he says. Kudo is fine but the use of a helmet allows for risk taking that cannot occur when you take the helmet off. He’s got it nailed.

@VenturaIT

7 ай бұрын

BJJ, Judo, Krav Maga, Systema, Aikido are all nearly identical with Aikido being the more complete of them all. The only thing that Aikido doesn't train is the guard and some of the chokes and sweeps, other than that it has everything from BJJ plus 10,000 more techniques and weapons and multiple opponent training. Aikido is superior to BJJ for street self defense and survival and weapons, but not for fighting, they aren't the same thing (fighting and self defense.) They didn't rate Daito Ryu, I wonder why? Urijah Faber MMA/UFC/Muay Thai/NCAA Wrestling/BJJ WORLD CHAMPION almost died in a street fight, Aikido black belt never would have got in that situation and would have been better prepared against multiple attackers, known not to clinch, go to ground in a street fight: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWGjpcewj8jMaZc.html Rickson Gracie starting his BJJ seminar with Aikido drills made famous by Tohei Sensei (Aikido's former head instructor) a long time ago then saying that BJJ guard has nothing to do with self defense. Professor Rickson is basically teaching Aikido basics in this seminar. Put an Aikido gi on him and its an Aikido class. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJxnrZatpNrbqco.html Here is some of the Gracie family members at "Gracie Jiu-jitsu Academy" recounting how a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu purple belt student got beat up in a street fight and felt that his BJJ was useless. The student pulled guard but was getting hurt with punches that he never learned and he was a purple belt. The BJJ purple belt was disallusioned with BJJ and act why haven't I ever learned this in BJJ. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2xqlsuTZNaoaLQ.html

@carlosimotti3933

2 ай бұрын

BJJ on the street is literally asking for hospitalization. It's made for cage fighting and only works there

Appreciated this guy's brevity.

Awesome to see natan on this channel, great video!

Why do most MMA fighters forget that (real) Judo is all about newaza (ground fighting) too? Maybe they don't know that BJJ is a subset of the original Judo (Kano Jujutsu).

@MartialArtsJourney

7 ай бұрын

I think everyone is thinking of what's most common today, not what the origin of the martial art was

@miqvPL

7 ай бұрын

Rokas had an interview with one great Judoka like a year ago and he said that ground fighting in Judo is pretty basic compared to BJJ and some wrestling styles. And from what I've seen with my limited grappling experience- it looks right. In our judo dojo every black belt student there does BJJ on the side (they wanted me to join but it conflicts with my tkd lessons)

@Ivuspp

7 ай бұрын

Well, if the dojo focuses on competition, you'll only have 30 seconds of ground fighting tops. But I wouldn't call it "basic" when compared to bjj. Actually, there's absolutely nothing new on bjj, they didn't invent anything, it's all present in the kodokan canon. In Brazil, where I live, there are even judo newaza competitions. There's this great coach here called Moacir Mendes that would yield a great interview, Rokas. Kudos on your channel, brilliant stuff as always

@dktcs

7 ай бұрын

BJJ took judo ne waza and improve it, that's it.. ahh but some coach bla bla bla, much respect to them .. ok, good for him, but nothing changes the fact that bjj is an upgraded ne waza.. you can do it in judo classes of course, but it's different. It's simple.

@Sir_price

7 ай бұрын

What I've seen in the two dojos I've been to, up until the brown belt (to get black you need a certain amount of points in competition), it's mainly newaza in randori (70%) bc it's just safer for beginners to learn and it's only in a competition that the fight often stops after the throw. I guess it shows how much variance there is between teachers around the world.

This man don't know Judo

@roelofklooster4349

4 ай бұрын

As soon as someone who does judo gets close, it is over. But against a boxer you gotta tank a few hits, so you gotta be able to move in quick, or/ and be able to tank some big hits. I feel like A, I feel like it would be very useful, but hitting someone would also be very useful.

@thibaganrajmohan2674

3 ай бұрын

It doesn’t know kung fu he say a lot of shit

@leo523

Ай бұрын

​@@roelofklooster4349 Exactly, if you survive when are approaching you will win the fight certainly.

@thenomad123

Ай бұрын

He's only a pro fighter what does he know

@thibaganrajmohan2674

Ай бұрын

@@thenomad123 He tested every art martial ?

Hey Rokas! First off, I love your videos. I would love to see you do one of these with Hapkido. Hapkido is specifically designed for self defense, so I'd love to see how you think it stacks up with some of the other Martial Arts you review. I've only trained at one school (Dojang) so unfortunately I don't know if it was an outlier or if it was a good representation of the art as a whole, but I have found it to be extremely effective on more than one occasion.

Tier videos are so awesome and this was no exception.

Rokas, I'm surprised you didn't mention Sanda or Combat Sambo-would have loved to see how those stacked up

@ghengiskhan9308

7 ай бұрын

He would have ranked combat sambo on the same place as kudo they're virtually identical.

@MRN932

7 ай бұрын

​@@ghengiskhan9308minus the headbutts

Perfect ranking! love this video.

Great interview !!!!

Loved the video 👍

Hi Rokas! Great video! I've been a fan for a long time! I'd love to interview you on your martial arts journey.

Thank yoy so much guys for guiding us through it

Probably the best tier video you have, short, to the point, no bias. Especially when karate was taken down to tkd level, that was very valid and fair. Kyokushin maybe more like a B tier since no face punches are a big flaw + some of their punches are as outdated and ridiculous like in shotokan and tkd. Ninjutsu probably more like D-. Catch wrestling is on point too. MMA on top since you really need to train how to mix striking with grappling to use all separate skills you have.

@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097

7 ай бұрын

"outdated punches" - how much of that can be attributed to the idea of no-gloves? I.e., in most modern competitions, people wear gloves, but when these MA were invented, their inventors prepared for no gloves fights?

@miqvPL

7 ай бұрын

@@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 not much. If you want to do bareknuckle fighting you still swing like a boxer (mostly, experts will tell you there are small details done differently). In karate and taekwondo you use the extremely outdated mindset of "one punch should be all you need", so they hit as hard and fast as you can. Which is an extremely dumb thing to do in an actual fight, as you're gonna break your hand when hitting someones forearm or elbow aka your punch getting blocked. Obviously the position from which they are throwing punches is also outdated, but thats a longer story about blocking kicks with low forearm blocks, conditioning blah blah blah. Tl;dr there is a reason why the best punchers in history arent karatekas (maybe aside Mas Oyama but that dude spend years punching trees and whatever the fuck)

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

@@miqvPLperfect answer and you are completely correct

Great explanations.

I thought kudo should have been ranked higher in self-defense situations in Northern environments or people were heavy jackets you could still use those grips like in judo kudo is well rounded you're not going to be walking around in just shorts and with no shirt on all the time

I love these videos they are so entertaining and interesting more plzzzzz

The most important thing is going to a decent school/ Dojo no matter what you style is that you like, even a MMA academy can make you a bad fighter if the teachers and colleagues are bad. Also, I love the "what works and what doesn't" statement in martial arts, because even though there's useless techniques for self defense or sparring, the effective ones could also fail.

@Purwapada

7 ай бұрын

honestly, there is no such thing as a technique that doesn't work. Because each technique is dependent on context and each punch is unique. saying a technique/martial art is bullshido is as meaningless as saying jab jab doesn't work because the opponent ducked. Everything works dependent on context - heck even George Dillman's shit worked in the context of a dojo full of hypnotised students, in the same way you force your opponent into positions in the cage.

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

Your comment makes zero sense. He says the opposite. You should be training techniques that work for everyone always, not some obscure nonsense. Yes, your school might be poor, but change it. The style you train, however, will determine your fighting prowess.

@dislikereporter2271

7 ай бұрын

@@Purwapada This is complete and utter bullshit! Saying "there is no technique that doesn't work" is completely horseshit, Aikido techniques *might* work in some scenarios against people that are untrained, but techniques from Wrestling, BJJ and Kickboxing all work against people who ARE trained, let alone people who aren't. If you need proof of the fact things like Aikido, Wing Chun, and Kung Fu are completely useless, just watch some more of Roka's videos, he is a pro Aikido black belt and he learned that people who did traditional Kickboxing/Boxing/MMA completely folded him with ease. I agree with the premise that "everything works dependent on context", however the context in question is: Is your opponent untrained in fighting? Yes? Then maybe some techniques from Wing Chun, Aikido etc will work. Is your opponent trained in fighting martial arts/sports? Yes? In THAT context absolutely 0% of Aikido or Wing Chun or anything like that will work against them. The ONLY effective martial arts are Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai (and all its derivatives), BJJ, Wrestling and Judo. If it works, it incorporates one or more of these, if it incorporates none, it doesn't work. End. Of. Story.

Glad Natan gave karate a fair shake. He's a sandan in Uechi ryu and does his kata beautifully.

@serenityinside1

7 ай бұрын

Does his kata that well in a street attack does he ?

@syndra7757

7 ай бұрын

@@serenityinside1 oh no not this guy 🙄

@alessandrocattaneo4810

7 ай бұрын

Does he? Because he spoke bad about kata in the video, like saying that some schools does it, and he doesn't understand why

@shevetlevi2821

7 ай бұрын

To me what he said about karate was mixed. There are styles that are more fighting oriented and some less so. Karate is not a monolith. Schools like Kyokushinkai, Uechi ryu and others produce good fighters. Some schools less so. @@alessandrocattaneo4810

I think it might be interesting (and quite the opposite of the usual stuff) if you do the same with a movie choreographer, but ask him to rank martial arts by they cinematic qualities

For the question of "will there be one day only MMA?" I think the "sport" martial arts, like judo and taekwondo and other will stay. The pratice of these are far safer (less risk of hurting yourself) thanks to their narrower set of autorized moves Nowadays, they don't claim to be self-defense training, they are a relatively well internationnal federation that guarantee a certain stability in what is taught and an active competitive scene

@andrebarros4936

7 ай бұрын

The sad truth about taekwondo is that like Karate, it was meant for true combat, but the olympics made them to be just sports-based styles. If trained correctly, it is an hybrid system of kickboxing, with a little of judo and japanese jujutsu. I think the biggest problem of taekwondo, apart of being a modern martial art, is that it have lost its purpose with the explosive popularity it had back on 80s and 90s that set it almost exclusively to sport fighting

@miqvPL

7 ай бұрын

​@@andrebarros4936 encyclopedia of taekwondo (15 volumes) doesn't include any grappling techniques, so I don't know what you base that knowledge on. Taekwondo's main 2 roots are Taekkyon and Shotokan karate, both of which include close-to-zero grappling. I love my itf taekwondo, but it cannot be compared to proper kickboxing. It's greatest achievement in martial arts history is "it's better than shotokan karate". And I cannot in a clear conscience say it's better than another improvement over shotokan- kyokushin karate. It is superior in many ways to kyokushin karate, but you don't spar nearly as much in taekwondo as you do in kyokushin. And there is no substitute for sparring. At the end of the day it's diet kickboxing + some very good kicks, a great supplement to muay thai dudes who want to kick some more. Taekwondo doesn't need to be anything more than that. It's a great balance training, awesome stretching, it's hard to do and beautiful to look at. And way more effective in a fight than 95% of kung fu. I like that this MMA fighter doesn't have any bias against tkd like many other people Rokas interviewed. He knows what it is.

@VenturaIT

7 ай бұрын

Rokas still hasn't learned that fighting and self defense are two different things. Then you have actual war which is a 3rd different thing.

@westington1

7 ай бұрын

@@VenturaITPretty useless having any hand to hand combat skills in war though. You’d probably have to go back to before homo-sapiens first appeared where people fought conflicts without some sort of weapons….

@VenturaIT

7 ай бұрын

@@westington1Real martial art include weapons training. The techniques without the weapons are for if you lose your weapon during a battle. The "martial arts" without weapons are really not "martial" at all, unless they are used in a battle in a war... this is just the definition of words, but people have all kinds of false beliefs not supported by facts.

Thank you for your hard work and congratulations for your personal development on this martial arts journey. I have watching your channel however and did not find nothing about Hapkido ou Hankido. Do you have plans to talk about it?

Nobody talks about capoeira Angola. Our primary strikes are 12/6 elbows and headbutts. So quite difficult to apply in cage with rules. Regional and Contemporary is different ;)

@dawoodwilliams3652

5 ай бұрын

The mistake many people generally make about Capoeira is ignore its actual practical applications, all the knee strikes, takedowns, actual ground defence, elbows, elbow strikes, and it can be done standing up, but all they think is the dance.

@Feroxing12

4 ай бұрын

because its a joke circus clown show and not a martial art.

@GustavoSantos04

3 ай бұрын

​@@Feroxing12 para de falar merda na Internet e vai estudar sobre a capoeira !

@gerkirschbaum

Ай бұрын

Yeah people see the flicks in capoeira and write it off as some acrobatic show. Funny how capoeira tried to conceal the effectiveness of the martial art back when slaves invented it and it still works to this day.

@torrentp

Ай бұрын

​@@Feroxing12yeah.. Mr. Feroxing knows everything about capoeira to make this assumption. You can pratice and master every martial art that will be a circus show when my glock be pointing at you.

Could you make videos where pro fighters pick the most valuable/effective technique from each martial art? this way we can see what is the best thing that each martial art can offer

@westington1

7 ай бұрын

I’d say you basically are seeing that as MMA continues to evolve. I went into MMA from a kickboxing background (Dutch style first, then thai for a couple of years), plus boxing when I was younger. You adjust a lot when grappling is introduced - stances being maybe the thing that is most interesting there: Boxing stance is out, as it makes you venerable to takedowns especially , but also kicks (just the transition from that to any sort of kickboxing is a big adjustment). Thai boxing is probably superior to most other kickboxing style (even though you’d usually find the same ruleset in most places nowadays), but Dutch combo’s and stance transitions much better to MMA in my experience. Training style too - Dutch is waay too hard in sparring, and that isn’t good for you. The Thai way of training is better for all combat sports I’d say, as the focus on technical sparring (rather than kicking the shit out of each other each training session) is better for learning, and much better for avoiding issues associated with concussions etc. . I’ve seen MMA evolve in the gyms I’ve been in - in terms of training approaches and fitness approaches especially - and you can see fighters refining techniques from other Combat sports down to what is most effective, most often (so low risk, high reward shots), as well as fitness training definitely giving an edge at the highest level. GSP is a great example of all of the above. Perfect martial artist imo

Ive been practicing Japanese jujitsu for for 20 years. 100% agree. In principle it is an S tier marital art. In jujitsu we spar, we grapple, we throw each other, and in randori, you dont stop until you submit or theres a clear stalemate. I will stand by S tier in principle. Thing is, there just isnt enough time to be in the elite level of what it practices. It is a great foundation if you want to move to more specialised training for conpeting as it covers a lot of bases. But the average jujitsu goer will not do amazing in specialised competitions. However, it is good, great in fact, for self defence. Seen it myself in real time. It all depends what youre training for

@daygenhall6126

7 ай бұрын

If you see what he says he talked about yes you do everything but you only end up mediocre. It’s like mma in that regard you do a lot but only get ok at everything unless you spend yearrsssss doing it

@daygenhall6126

7 ай бұрын

But it could easily be s tier by you know the 10 or 20 years you do it

@joe94c

7 ай бұрын

@daygenhall6126 for most people, like myself, its a hobby. So training for 4 hours a week, trying to cover throwing, grappling, striking in a non-professional setting is simply impossible to be at that standard. If a Japanese jujitsu class had the training regime of mma, it could produce great fighters. But sadly that doesn't exist. But it does mean we can look after ourselves with most of the population

@joe94c

7 ай бұрын

@daygenhall6126 I'm happy to admit I am not an s tier martial artist. I'd be delusional, even with the 20 years. Plus, the last 5 years I've been plagued with unrelated knee injuries. So I'm definitely not s tier XD

@daygenhall6126

7 ай бұрын

@@joe94c no no you’re exactly right I think Japanese jujitsu is up there for sure one of the better martial arts. Personally I really wanna get into sambo

Can you please make the videos like this a little bit longer? Maybe not an hour long but it's kinda hard to understand for a foreigner what he says if it's cut together that fast.

@MartialArtsJourney

7 ай бұрын

Feedback taken!

really good list

In regards to kickboxing, it depends on the gym but some can be a mix of kickboxing, muay thai or even a bit of mma. Learning to knee, elbow, stuff the takedown, apply guillotines and the like. Its just in sparring and tournaments where you cant knee, elbow and grapple. Clinching isnt against the rules but it does get broken up pretty quickly as so the fight can actually continue.

@kainonknestrick9202

7 ай бұрын

yea i think mixing Kickboxing(American style) for it's variety fluid kicks & Muay Thai's powerful kicks, elbow & knee strikes and strong defense would make that Kickboxer more sufficient!

Rokas. I feel you have not covered traditional jujutsu so much. In fact when you search on jiu-jitsu it is mostly bjj. I would like to see more traditional jujutsu styles covered. Thank you for great content!

great list

Great fast review

Excellent video

The problem with BJJ and grappling in general is the it's totally useless if you're faced with multiple opponents. In this situation then you're f*cked.

@christophermarkee5445

7 ай бұрын

You can also make the same argument for striking. It becomes useless when faced against multiple opponents.

@JeffreyParker-ok5ed

7 ай бұрын

Not always true. Tell that to Mike Tyson. :) who grew up in the harsh streets of Catskill, NY. Striking, cardio, and footwork is very important. Especially, when it comes to a very bad mass attack situation. And to top it all I definitely say Filipino Kali weapons training as well. Besides, most Goons don t know how to fight. That s why they will band together to fight you. Now I don t encourage to fight mass people. It is very dangerous fight them all. But when crap really hits the fan. It s all about surviving, and getting the hell out of there with situational awareness and good judgement

@BrianWang-dg8gl

7 ай бұрын

​@@christophermarkee5445 , Actually if you're a very very good striker, then it's likely that you can handle 3, 4, or even 5 average people, and I've seen it first hand in real life. On the other hand, no matter how good a grappler you are, there's no way you can handle that many people, simply because with grappling you can only focus on 1 person at a time. I'm not saying that grapping is useless, not at all, as a matter of fact it's an absolutely essential skill to have in the ring, you really need to master it to reach to the top.

@BrianWang-dg8gl

7 ай бұрын

@@JeffreyParker-ok5ed , the fact is that there's too many variables in real life situations, it's often very very risky to fight anyone. Actually, the best martial art of all is track and field😀 A fight avoided is a fight won😁

@JeffreyParker-ok5ed

7 ай бұрын

@@BrianWang-dg8gl I would not disagree. But I m just saying if you dont have that option. And no, I m not going to say. Let's go get a gun! Anyone behind the computer can say that

The best martial arts is the school that teaches what you want in a way you enjoy If you enjoy ninjutsu and love it then do it

@lawtondowdy

7 ай бұрын

100% agreed

@richardmartinez2973

3 ай бұрын

I study ninpo taijutsu, I like it I think it’s effective if practiced not just told it works. We do randori not every day but every Friday basically putting the waza we were shown during week to a controlled environment test. 4 on 1 randomly attacked. I hope it works

Boxing, Jitz and Krav Maga is all I've ever trained. Want to train Catch as well, but nice to see my chosen three are reapectable choices.

Love to see top kicks in martial arts rated

Why did you not finish the list? I was looking forward to hearing thoughts on Lethwei.

MMA isn't a style. Its a general ruleset

I’d like to download the picture of the result. Where can I do it from? What does S and two As mean? Thanks in advance.

What works broadly for the vast majority of people is what he is talking about and he is completely correct in everything he says.

I am sorry, but considering people in real life wear clothes unlike the fighters in a cage, Kudo should be the only one ranked S as it is a type of mma (Mixed Martial Arts) that adresses that, on top of having headbutts. It makes no sense to put Kudo on the same level as judo when kudo is basically judo plus striking and then say that the average mma gym is an S. Other than that I enjoyed the video, looking foward to the second season of the Ultimate Self Defense Championship Rokas. From what I looked, it seems you won't be competing this time, only organizing, correct?

@miqvPL

7 ай бұрын

thing about Kudo is- it doesn't do anything on a very high level. It's grappling isn't nearly as good as in judo, it's striking isn't nearly as good as kickboxing. Headbutts are nice, mixing striking with grappling is also very nice. But say you want to use those skills in MMA- according to the rule "dont try to outbox a boxer, don't try to outgrapple a grappler"- you can't do anything there. Your strikes are basic and outdated, your grappling is basic. You're gonna be smashed by a boxer or submitted by a wrestler on average.

@lorismarchitelli5274

7 ай бұрын

​@@miqvPLi think you don't know what you are talking about

@viniciusdias5887

7 ай бұрын

@@miqvPL "don't try to outbox a boxer, don't try to outgrapple a grappler" isn"t a rule set in stone, it's more of a guideline, we see people beating others at their own game in every sport, this isn't new. If the idea is that kudo doesn't do anything high level because it splits it's training between different disciplines without being great in any, the same can be said about what most people call "MMA", most MMA fighters get outboxed by boxers, submitted by bjj black belts and slammed by wrestlers. If you are saying that kudo isn't high level as whole, you should search more, it is one of the most high level MMA competitions out there, alongside Shoto for example. What people like the UFC guy in this video does is pick the best outliers of what he calls "MMA" and try to use that to put it in a pedestall it doesn' t belong. Heck, the middleweight division of UFC has been dominated for quite a while by two kickboxers with laughable grappling, this idea that someone going to a regular MMA gym will be the most prepared and complete fighter compared to other styles like kudo, simply isn't true. No point in your comment stands as an argument, being little more than observvations.

The fact that regular wrestling is so dominant in MMA doesn't seem to have hit him. And wtf is krav maga doing so high in the list? How many krav maga guys have become mma champions compared to wrestlers? Ridiculous.

@questionyourself718

Ай бұрын

There are many inconsistencys in the List. Wing Chun wich is a more practical and realistic to use version of Kung Fu is ranked below normal Kung Fu.

@homiesenatep

Ай бұрын

I think Krav Maga is high because it’s meant to be effective on the street

@nikolaigaming2097

Ай бұрын

Apparently, krav maga is illegal in MMA.

@raphaelgracia551

23 күн бұрын

@@nikolaigaming2097 No. It simply doesn't work. In any context.

@AvielLevy

15 сағат бұрын

@@raphaelgracia551 Krav Maga is extremely effective on the street because it meant for against an unfair fight

Damn, I wish someone coming from Sanda would give a ranking on it, as otherwise it's super unknown (but my guess is that it is a good base for mma and streetfighting, since it's basically kickboxing with throws)... Could you do this with Cung Le or Zhang Weili? Or Zabit Magomedsharipov or Muslim Salikhov, but I'm guessing none of them are easy to reach

Dear Rokas have you consider review sanda? I quite curious for your opinion.

@MartialArtsJourney

7 ай бұрын

One day for sure!

That gives me lots of ideas Thanks!, So im just a beginner level but i think to be a good fighter obv you need IQ - Quick Reflexes - Physical body etc... but You Should Get Ground work and punches by learning Box & Kickbox + Muay Thai also you should get BJJ and mix them all in style

Last year, I heard about a canadian martial art named Okichitaw. It combines techniques from Judo and Taekwondo with fighting techniques from the Plain Cree nations. Maybe you could make a video about it.

Thank you for having me Rokas!

@SAMEntalhealth

2 ай бұрын

The thing is is that Muay Thai obviously as you know is ring rules. But the Art of War itself, has a history to it. Obviously you probably know that when the thai the burmese, muay Boran ❤ the soldiers of ancient Thailand wrapping their hands dipping them in glass using their bodies As Weapons hence the art of eight limbs, that's why when you learn from the true Thai , it's a whole different ballgame than learning in america. America teaches it in a barbaric way, I know it sounds contradictive but at the same time, I was always taught actually by Russians that were trained in the Belarusian military, once you get hit you calm down, you get hit again you calm down even more, you let your energy build up let them waste their energy, and then that's when you start to strike, I love the music the Sarama, how beautifully it starts off so slow after obviously you perform your why crew, if you fall off and are not up to par with the rhythm, you will fall you will lose balance you will lose concentration it's like Charming a snake, and a lot of people specially americans, when they fight or train, they think that kicking a pad with a monitor that measures their kick power means that's how hard they are going to kick their opponents LOL not realizing that they are not conditioned enough and that if they do throw the kick that hard, their Shin bones will snap. They don't condition enough, and it's kind of upsetting because all of these videos on KZread show them throwing these kicks against these pads with monitors saying oh yeah I have the hardest kick, it's like yeah go ahead throw that against a real Muay Thai Fighter that actually is conditioned enough to check your kick, it's like go ahead throw you are shinbone as hard as you can and see if you can withstand it LOL another thing is that they don't understand that the more weight that you have on your calf muscle the heavier and harder to kick along with the hip twist, but also keeping eye contact with your opponent, Americans seem to not understand all of the physics when it comes to Muay thai, they just think that you have elbows knees and kicks and that's it but realistically, the clinch is a whole nother art in itself, and they definitely do not master that a lot in America it's kind of upsetting, because I've seen them practice here, I am american, don't get me wrong second generation my family is Greek and sicilian, but at the same time I learned from russians, who learned from thailand, and they teach it completely differently than you would if you were to go to some cko kickboxing gym or some run in the mill American kickboxing gym, sometimes they think kickboxing is Muay Thai and it makes me cringe LOL I'm like you guys really don't understand the difference but you did great in this video seriously I love the way you labeled all of the martial arts and the levels to everything, I just love how you explained it all absolutely amazing brother❤❤

@SAMEntalhealth

2 ай бұрын

I was talking to John Wayne par recently and he was telling me about his fight with sombat, and he told me that his style was just something that was out of this world. The way he adjusted and adapted to any type of change that John tried to make, it was not matched. He could not keep up that well with sombat, this is why I Honestly Love buakaw, but in America he is totally underrated he's not mentioned everybody mentions Saenchai, and that is fine because he's a legend as well, and there are a lot more Legends out there, but sombat is not mentioned enough in America these guys have no idea who the hell he is and it's almost sad because if they did, they would get it. When I learned from the Russians I adapted my style to sombat, it's like learning how to ride a bike and then turning into a BMX artist, I basically took the same principle and I look up to sombat, he is my idol he will always be same with John Wayne parr, but sombat will always be my favorite and he has my utmost respect I love him to death the man is a legend and totally underrated in America❤

@SAMEntalhealth

2 ай бұрын

Also, Pankratuon❤❤❤😂 sorry I'm Greek so I just had to throw that out there LOL

@SAMEntalhealth

2 ай бұрын

You know what also drives me nuts brother? When people say oh I am training UFC I'm like oh are you really training to fight in that league? They say what do you mean? I'm like your training UFC so what martial arts are you practicing and who is signing your contract to fight for UFC? I just cringe I'm like you mean your training mixed martial arts? And if so which martial arts are you practicing? Americans LOL😂😂😂

@SAMEntalhealth

2 ай бұрын

Systema I've practiced for as long as Muay Thai as well, some call it Bullshido until they meet some actual Russian solider who knows it well 😅😅❤❤

As a black belt in judo AND taekwondo (i trained for 20 years) There is no chance that judo is above taekwondo. Its going to be really hard for a judoka to even get to someone without knowing basic boxing and movment techniques that don't exist in judo. Taekwondo is not designed for street fighting but you know how to deal with most punches and kicks unlike judo

@lucadesanctis563

2 ай бұрын

Also ranking Wing Chun that low is not credible

Interesting that he mentioned that stopping a stick with your stick is impractical whereas in HEMA that is what is called a parry He probably does not have much experience with weapon fighting

@ragiingtomato14

5 ай бұрын

That "stopping a stick with a stick" is just a drill anyway. Ofc real fight will not turn out to be a freaking star wars sword fight. Every hit of the stick represents a bodypart.

It's a nice interview, but how about all other styles that were in the list, but you decided not to discuss them?

Too bad the video ended prematurely, I would have liked to hear his answer on Lethwei and Tai Chi :)

@Purwapada

7 ай бұрын

real tai chi is basically lethwei. I do chen style tai chi and spar with Muay thai guys

The only thing I miss in these tierlists is ITF Taekwondo, which I guess is less popular in America but I would say more prominent in Europe than WTF (Olympic) Taekwondo. So I have to take kickboxing as a kind-of-representative of ITF, because they're pretty similiar on competitive level.

getting excited for ultimate self defense championship 2

I think the biggest problem with krav maga is that it can give you false confidence. Taught and trained properly, the techniques are good at what they aim to do. The movements are simple and it's easy to make them reflexive, and since the same motions come back with many of the later techniques in the curriculum, that's a huge plus. The downside is that, even in a stress drill, it's still not a real fight. You're not wearing a full padded suit, so you can't really go fully aggressive. Basically, at some point the attacker will stop attacking when you have performed the technique, and that's where the semi-realism of the stress drill breaks down, especially because the next attacker will also use one of several attacks you'll know to expect, and execute them in a more or less set way. Even if you don't know exactly which attack it will be, or from which direction, it will still be a recognizable attack to which you then apply a technique as soon as you can. I've noticed several times, though, that although I'm good at performing the techniques even in the stress drills, I still suck at actually fighting. In a spar, when someone isn't cooperating and properly recoiling their punches and shifting positions all the time, it's damn near impossible to get off a good technique, or to properly finish them if you do manage to get one started, and I've taken a fair share of punches to the face as a result. I'm now also training boxing and kickboxing, with plans to add some MMA here and there, just so I can better deal with an actual fight that goes beyond someone throwing a single haymaker and leaving it at that (and also because it's fun). Our instructor does acknowledge all of this, frequently mentions that real life will never be as ideal as the training drills and shows alternative moves for when the angle of attack doesn't line up nicely with the established techniques, but even then I sometimes get the feeling people draw too much confidence from knowing some basic techniques, techniques which even the instructors admit are mostly used to teach the practitioners specific motions that keep coming back in the more advanced techniques and are not particularly realistic on their own (like a static double-handed choke from the front while standing).

Nice

My martial arts was not included in this list but has been used in MMA. Its called Kajukenbo and was used by Chuck Liddell.

Seems like a solid list for applicability to MMA. I feel like he's not really putting much thought into the self defense aspect though. He asks "Why would you wear a gi to a fight?" Sure, you're not going to go into an MMA fight in a gi, but you're not going to end up in a self defense scenario in boxing shorts. As far as whether escrima is effective for weapons defense, his take seems very "fighter who's never trained with weapons makes assumptions about what would work with weapons." Armed martial arts have existed even longer than unarmed ones, people have had some time to figure out stuff that works by now.

@Purwapada

7 ай бұрын

yes, he doesnt seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed

Everybody always ranks "if you are attacked in the street" but what about YOU attacking someone in the street? Ninjutsu would be A for sure! LOL

@zeinfeimrelduulthaarn7028

7 ай бұрын

Lmao, it’s for self attack I swear

@BMO_Creative

7 ай бұрын

LOL !! I've tried for real ninjutsu and if you're sneak attacking someone, it's one and done kind of stuff!

I think the people who could benefit the most from "self defense" training are not the young, strong, athletic guys, but rather smaller, older, men and women. Using that criteria, I would like to see a rating based on how much such students would benefit from training each martial or 6 months, twice a week, which I think would be a more typical scenario.

That Steven Seagal newsletter subscription 😂

@rokas can you please start to differentiate between ITF and WT tae kwon do? They are Worlds Apart and always end up getting lumped together.

@thel4stson

7 ай бұрын

Was literally going to comment this... ITF is legit... One organisation/curriculum as well so you won't find a mcdojo... I would put ITF ahead of Karate, but WTF is garbage lol

There's no perfect ranking list, but I quite agree with Nathan.

Well, this is a wild mix. There is martial art, focussing on self discipline and movements. There is fighting sports with rules to avoid injuries while testing who is stronger and improve athletic skills. There is combat sport to take down the opponent with more or less any means. Then there is street fighting where the first move should be to get a weapon like club or knife...

how good is judo actually in a street fight? i just started judo, 3 months ago and i’m trying to see how good it would be in a street fight

I would love to see you do a arnis battle so you could see if its practical man

Fun fact: there’s certain fictional martial arts that can be overhauled to real world styles. One example being Nico-style from Kengan Ashura being a combination of Karate, Muay Thai, Jiujitsu, and Aikido

So strange you didn't ask Nathan about Okinawan karate styles that practice sparrings with punches to the face and more realistic situations and not doing sports bs. Nathan is Uechi Ryu black belt and it is very good style for self defense like Goju Ryu and Shorin Ryu (first 3 real styles of karate)

Hey brother get a good krav maga instructor in your next - self defence Championship, plse wanted to see for real how will they handle under stress❤❤❤

Come to Australia and do a video on arakan Burmese martial art

Also the Aikido teachers at Aikido of Honolulu did say 🤔 a true Marchalarts will practice 2 arts a hard art and a soft art And Aikido is a soft art

i'd say if you wanna survive in a street fight is learning some bare knuckle boxing which is better than boxing because you are fighting with your first than with gloves. As well as some boxing because you want to get the techniques and skills down. Wrestling is a good component for going against someone who doesn't know how to fight, who is just trying to take you down. Lastly is BJJ, which is a form of controlling because limbs. You can control any dangerous situation. This ones optional if you don't like guns or hate them but learning to use a firearm can be really useful.

You forgot to mention sanda... it serves as an effective base for transition into an mma.

Not many people know about 'muay boran' that is a deadly style too

you forgot sambo and combat sambo. Of course theres tons of martial arts, but I think that there are lots of Sambo practitioners even in ufc. Also, I seperated them cuz theres the wrestling and then theres the kickboxing side of it. but of course you can merge them into one and call it sambo.

Catch Wrestling needs to be famous. Btw , you guys missed out on Sanda and Sambo.

I don't understand why he has a problem with Kudokas wearing Gi. Isn't more convenient in a street fight to grab someone's clothes to your advantage if we're talking about self defense? Judo is also a great example. I would grade it pure A. Also Rokas, maybe in the future you should include sambo in the ranking system!

Which style of Martial Arts would be preferable to beat any of the elite forces of an army like Krav Maga, Alpha, Marcos? I would prefer learning the best form to beat the best. Rather than time passing.

Mr. Shotokan needs to take more Kyokushin classes 😂

I don’t think there’s ever going to be just one martial art, like MMA. I think it’s just too broad and that there’s always going to be a desire to see competitions that emphasizes more specific skill sets. Even in the Ancient Greek Olympics, there were three hand-to-hand combat sports: boxing, wrestling, and Pankration. Even though they had a version of MMA, they still set aside time to train JUST striking and JUST grappling. And I think that’s because it’s legitimately helpful to break up your training that way and because it’s fun to see who’s the best at each particular discipline

Why did you cut the last 7. Im waiting to see where he'd put silat at

@MartialArtsJourney

7 ай бұрын

Sorry. A lot of fighters I've met don't know Silat unfortunately

Cool video and all, but as feedback, could you please leave out the „woosh“ sounds every time the video goes from you two to some fighting in the background?

I love that mans shirt

BJJ A+ and Judo A-? Are you kidding me?

@mikey1717

7 ай бұрын

Most BJJ schools teach judo too

@ricardokerscher

7 ай бұрын

in which country? @@mikey1717

finally ninjutsu isn’t an F

Oh it's the boomer that you didn't talk about the other discipline at the bottom. Letwhei looks like a really mad combat sport. Some less known arts like Viet vo dao, Qwan Ki Do, Hapkido could have been interesting to discuss.

A suggestion: for kung fu use choy lee fut, much more complete and useful than wing chun.

And if you 've been ten years without training, you don't go to the gym, and so on, and then you have a fight, what MA would be more effective? When you fight in real life, you have heavy shoes, strengthen trousers, you can't start to warm up, and so on... maybe the the ranking would change in a 90%. I mean, being realistic, proffesional fighters, train everyday, fight barefoot, warming up, with rules etc, and this has nothing to do with the situation described previously. It's difficult to be 100% realistic in a fight of REAL life. Agree anybody?

I’m glad Natan stated that there are good Karate schools and a lot of terrible. Not a lot of good karate schools but not EVERY school is bad. When it comes to Kali/Escrima, the practitioners use the sticks to hit to learn to defend when someone strikes to then counter, but that’s my guess I learned a lot from his quick explanations about his experience and understanding.

@Parker8752

7 ай бұрын

A lot of what you see in FMA is the basics - you learn to block a stick before you learn to start countering because the stick is a training tool for a short sword, and you don't want to be hit second with a sword any more than you want to be hit first.

The thumbnail really tricked me, i got so fucking mad/surprised to see aikido and muay thai in the same level

Whenever I see these types of videos or when Taekwondo comes into the conversation in general it’s WTF style… how would ITF fair? From what I’ve seen I think it would be a lot more effective

What happened to the end of the video???

After watching so many of these conversations I think I’m going to leave Krav Maga. As much as I’m enjoying learning how to fight, getting choked out is a huge fear. I think this might be the inspiration for me to fully dive into BJJ.

@Fubazim

7 ай бұрын

Treine às duas artes.

@mcautimusic

7 ай бұрын

>krav maga >learning how to fight

@zeinfeimrelduulthaarn7028

7 ай бұрын

For me Krav Maga isn’t learning how to fight, it’s learning how to kill or disable once you are already a well rounded fighter thanks to other discipline

@Purwapada

7 ай бұрын

why do you need to stop doing krav maga? just learn bjj and think of them as complimentary.

@komma3366

7 ай бұрын

@@PurwapadaI can’t afford my KM gym anymore

Amituofo. Keep training. ❤

Muay Thai + BJJ + Judo 🔥

@No_step_on_snake

6 ай бұрын

MT+Boxing+BJJ+Judo+Wrestling 🔥

@sbsmagnolia7359

6 ай бұрын

@@No_step_on_snakeBatman?

@roelofklooster4349

4 ай бұрын

​@@No_step_on_snakeNow that's hard to beat.

@Todo_fighting

3 ай бұрын

Judo and muay thai work beautiful together.

@roelofklooster4349

3 ай бұрын

@@Todo_fighting I don't doubt it.

Honestly surprised Ninjutsu got such a high score

The more I learn about B.J.J the more I will want to learn about Aikido to deal with the back of my head because I have to light with me.

I'm sure they cleaned it up for competition, but Pankration looks like it was dreamt up by Greeks who spent their nights brawling in bars. I think I read something where they outlawed eye gouging and biting - one can only imagine what the early practitioners looked like ;)