The reason of USB 2.0 is not enough PCIe lanes from the CPU. total of 9 lanes, i226 takes one lane each, the x4 m.2, the m.2 wifi.

@marcogenovesi8570

9 ай бұрын

the CPU (the SoC) has an integrated USB 3.0 controller so pcie isn't used for that anyway. I suspect that it is using dual-purpose pins in the BGA though because 14 usb 3.0 is a pretty damn lot of contacts. So to expose the pcie they could not use the same pins to do USB 3.0

@etimacias

9 ай бұрын

USB10 is shared with PCIe 3.0 x4 for NVMe - so yes - if the NVMe slot is 4x then there are no pins left for USB 3.0

@blazini

9 ай бұрын

You can see the extra pins for USB3 in each port and the number of passives next to the connector on the PCB suggest the ports are wired for USB3. If the other replys are correct and the CPU shares USB3 pins on the package with PCIE pins for the NVME, then there should be a BIOS setting to set the M.2 slot for PCIE x2 instead of x4 and the USB ports should work as USB3. That's assuming the manufacturer did everything right.

@harrythehandyman

9 ай бұрын

@@blazini They used the similar PCB for higher end model that uses 11/12th gen mobile CPU. The presence of USB3 pins and miss-printed chassis label could just be recycled design across different models. I agree that the n305/n100 SoC have built-in USB3 controller, it is left for manufacturer to configure to expose the trace of either PCIE lanes or USB3 to the motherboard, in a similar fashion that M.2 slot electrically support either nvme or sata-protocol SSD.

@MrPir84free

2 ай бұрын

Most of these units that have the N305/N100 in them have a x3 M.2 and the second M.2 running off the "h" adapter is actually PCIE x1 ( OUCH ). You are correct in that it is not enough lanes... It is what it is. The second M.2 is arguably only usable for a wifi adapter; a waste for a NVME drive.

Every time you drop a video, I think, "Yep, I need one!" Love the channel, love the energy.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Ha thanks!

I picked up one of these N305 guys when saw the other video about its smaller sibblings. Proxmox 8, opnsense with nic passthrough, a docker host and some LXC containers and it runs my network with capacity to spare! It's got enough muscle to route more than a gigabit of wiregaurd VPN traffic without a problem. Big thanks to everyone in the forums who dug in deep to how these fanless badboys work

@GrantDiffey

9 ай бұрын

my 4105 is still chewing along very happily.. about to switch it out for a dual ssd'd 5105 unit with 226's and 64gb ram

@picklepeter2519

9 ай бұрын

Hi. And the temps are good?

@gittin_funky

3 ай бұрын

@porklaser are you running docker as a VM?

@porklaser

3 ай бұрын

@@gittin_funky Yeah the docker host is a vm running Ubuntu server

Nice that you mentioned potential setup issues :) great informative videos, thanks!

Hi, nice piece of hardware, especially the PCIe Lanes splitter that fits ferpectly in such a machine, very well seen. ~36 W is logic with this kinda CPU, it stays quite low for an 8 core (and very useful for a HTTP server written in Erlang:). Very good ratio quality/price, at this price for an 8 core it will be difficult to beat.

Oooh this is why n6000 barebone units are going for $120 nowadays.

@JReinhoud

9 ай бұрын

Link please :p

Nice review as always! I do really struggle to understand your super-fast southern English, but after almost 4 years that I shhe your reels, I get at least 80%... 😀

Great to see low power appliances like this. I recently purchased an inexpensive Beelink S12 Pro (N100) which comes with an empty SSD slot. Combining this with an 8TB Samsung SSD made it the perfect Proxmox Backup Server for home use. 7W power use from the wall with the SSD + 16GB RAM.

@HHX_H

9 ай бұрын

I was looking at the same one the entire pc is something like £170 and just the n100m asrock motherboard is £150 way too expensive for only the motherboard

@Chris.Brisson

9 ай бұрын

@@HHX_H you mean, "... way too inexpensive for an entire pc."

@indiekiduk

6 ай бұрын

you probably meant it comes with an empty 2.5" SATA bay.

The pysical toggle switches on that newer H board thing sitching the PCIe 3.0 lanes is absolutely cursed! I love it. Next I want a mainboard with pysical radio buttons on the front to switch through PCIe slots lol

I support you because you supported me :) you Rock Patrick !!

I have the N100 topton and it’s amazing. Opnsense, home assistant and about 5 containers from tteck and a 3-5% CPU load. I put a 12CM pc fan op top powered by it’s own usb port at 5v super silent and cool. Great little home lab system that runs proxmox like a dream and super stable.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

I totally agree. We just wanted to also show the bigger one since folks have been asking about it since we did the N100 / N200 review.

I subbed. Great review. I Recently started looking into getting a firewall router👍

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Wow. Thanks!

I have to agree with you on USB unlike the other comments. Not only is USB 3 interference a solvable issue but also the QoL improvements it brings is worth it.

@b3owu1f

9 ай бұрын

I would agree with the one exception being.. what does it bring other than using it to watch a movie or something from the USB stick? With a 2.5gig network, you're going to get on par speeds copying from any other 2.5gig capable network device (ok.. 1/2 the speed.. but most USB drives don't have read speeds fast enough to keep up with USB3 bandwidth).

I just love these Netgate killers, they are getting better and better over time.

@therealb888

9 ай бұрын

I like what you called them lol. Netgate HW was always too expensive for the performance.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Any idea where i can buy the 4x M.2 card? I just can find the doc files but no shop to order that thing.

I really want to build a small NAS out of one of these. Just a simple mirror RAID nas, but 8tb nvme is still quite expensive. Hopefully soon they will be more affordable.

Need a few more micro systems with that 4x m.2 board! Even 4x SATA would make a fairly nice little NAS for a homelab. 😊

@RoycoNL

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it does not seem to ship with that 4x m.2 board

@minigpracing3068

9 ай бұрын

@@RoycoNL was that an option or a not released yet board in the video?

@RoycoNL

9 ай бұрын

@@minigpracing3068 according to their Aliexpress page it's still under development.

@MrPir84free

2 ай бұрын

Every one that I've laid my hands on or seen specs for suggest that the M.2 is a 3 lane The second is a 1 lane M.2 that runs off the "h" adapter.

In China, we usually buy this type of console to install Openwrt to traverse the GFW. Of course, it should be fanless, and it should also have multiple net ports, because it is designed to be used as a router.

Great video thank you. What device do you recommend for a PfSense firewall with intrusion detection and prevention on? My internet is 1gb up and down? Thanks.

4 ssd in a firewall box like this could be interesting for caching..... Or for container storage or storing logs without eating up network bandwidth. Nice to have data storage on a separate drive than os

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

We are planning to do a new video if we can get the cooling under control for it

@christopherjackson2157

9 ай бұрын

​@@ServeTheHomeVideodefinitely interested in seeing this. I can think of so many configurations I'd like to test. Cooling could definitely become an issue depending on use case and environment. In the server rack in the past ive had some success putting small devices like this by an exhaust fan for more airflow - wiring can get messy tho.

@blahblahblahblah2933

9 ай бұрын

@@christopherjackson2157 Slightly off-topic: How are you handling AC adapters for these sorts of devices in racks?

@christopherjackson2157

9 ай бұрын

@@blahblahblahblah2933 . Two sided tape on top of a rackmount chassis in a pinch. If you have a space tied down to a rackshelf can be pretty secure tho. in my homelab I have a shelf with slits in it and I use zip ties to secure smaller devices to it. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has a better solution.... Not entirely satisfied with anything I've come up with yet.

@joseph_p

9 ай бұрын

Run alpine from ram, use 4 4tb SSDs in raidz1, easy 12tb mini flash nas… likely major heat issues though.

These look a lot like the Protectli Vault series. I've been running a Protectli router with PFSense for close to 4 years now and love it.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Protectli rebrands Yanling boxes another vendor similar to CWWK.

One thing I'm really curious about is the NICs. I have a CWWK N4000. It has two i226-V NICs (all I need for a firewall). I have been running OPNsense on it since it has supported those NICs for a while. An issue I keep running into with this CWWK unit is that the system doesn't seem to respond to multicast messages used for uPnP. I have configured all the correct services and rules on the firewall to allow uPnP functionality. I also verified my config on an old Intel PC I had lying around so I know it works. I use uPnP for some games I play as well as my Plex server. I know I can manually create the NAT rules myself but this issue has me very curious if anyone else who has used CWWK devices has run into this issue. If so, do all their products with i226-V NICs have this problem? Have you tested this at all?

@Andrew_Thrift

4 ай бұрын

Have you solved this ?

@thetazlord

4 ай бұрын

@@Andrew_Thrift Unfortunately. no. This seems to be a limitation in the hardware. I ended up building a new firewall with more reputable hardware.

CWWK is advertising a lot of the n100 and n200 as 8 cores. I can't seem to find any on Amazon for the n305. Thank you for covering it. I am looking to buy one and was looking for your insight!

Where is the quad SSD board sold? And did you ever getting the cooling under control?

Love this it’s perfect: Passively cooled, silent, with adapter for 4 nvme drives, n305 processor BUT the power consumption is too high. Like you said in your Beelink EQ12 Pro review the level of engineering here is not on par with HP/Dell The idle power consumption should be approximately 5 watt Does anyone have tried to undervolt it?

I wish I could find more of these systems in a 1u half depth form factor

@giorgos992

8 ай бұрын

Amen

At 6:40, you can see a SYS_FAN connector in the bottom right. I have the same connector, but I don't know what kind of adapter I need to plug in a regular 3/4 pin fan. Can someone please link me an example adapter or a part number so I know what I'll need to buy? Thanks!

26 2/3 °C gave me a chuckle

Hi, I request for a video on the new multi nvme SSD card, whether this could serve to replace IP camera NVR and discussion about other NAS use cases. Also some thing about modifying these boxes to obtain better cooling. Also the link to Topton N305 in description needs to be corrected.

USB 2 is still VERY useful, the signalling speed of USB 3.x causes some interference with low power 2.4GHz signals, like Thread, Zigbee and Bluetooth, but I do agree, some USB 3 ports on a box like this would be a very good idea too. We need BOTH.

@Elkarlo77

9 ай бұрын

IPU 456A uses an Ryzen 5600U, which got the lanes. But it misses the smart 4x NVME switch. 2x USB 3.1, 1x USB-C all with 10GB and 2x USB 2, 4x 2.5GBNic. In a Package which is nearly identical. But costs more.

@vuhuy8952

9 ай бұрын

they have N100 version which same but have 2 usb 3.0 and 2 2.0. On taobao it"s around 110-140$ for barebone - 8/128 .

@ADB-zf5zr

9 ай бұрын

@@Elkarlo77 Do you have a model number and the place you bought it, I cant find an AMD based system with that name on AliExpress, thanks.

@ameliazM

9 ай бұрын

I liked USB 3 until I encountered a heating and power loading issue. Rolled back to USB 2 on my systems. The performance gained isn't worth the reliability lost. Of course this is a hardware issue and not a standard issue but I can wait until they improve the hardware with more efficient silicon.

@misterc3835

9 ай бұрын

​@@vuhuy8952 I see that on the N100/N200/N305 boxes with USB 3 or USB C, the speed of the NMVE is only x1. This means that NMVE SSD operate at lower speed (I found that 1x means 1GB/s). Only USB 2 boxes has NMVE x4 (according to CWWK website).

It's amazing what they can cram into these tiny baby low power systems these days... And that quad M.2 card would definitely be great for a cache. Maybe have network bootable images in there

@servethehome Do you have any insight as too whether Intel will ever release (to manufacturers) the N300 chip?

Do you guys have a link for the m.2 expansion? I just ordered a unit and looking at turning it into a home media lab + firewall

Is this a good option for setting up a Minecraft server, or would there be something you could get that eschewed the additional ethernet ports to be a bit cheaper?

The 4 SSD H-board is certainly interesting.

Does it work with ESXi? Can idle power be reduced by some BIOS configuration?

10:00 there has to be another chip near/on that clock chip. just seems like what there doing is adapting that 1 m.2 slot to 4 more m.2 slots via a pcie switch chip. maybe thats what the bios update is for (bifurcation)? can you peel back the black plastic to see whats underneath that???

Could the wifi slot with an nvme adapter be used for a coral coprocessor?

The NAS potential is amazing. Worth carrying around even if moving lol

Any way to cap the power draw and power this with POE+? I've got a brocade switch and this unit and I need to get a POE splitter but it would be slick to have my switch management port also be the power for this. Anyone 3D print/design rack mount brackets for this yet?

Thank you

Oh my God.. here we go again, This is the best firewall..etc !! That's enough man because I've bought 3 minipc's so far because of you :) thank you for the video

Is there a version which supports OpenCore (BIOS)? Does Protectli have an equivalent model (they support OpenCore)?

This series of boxes are quite good. I'm using CWWK N95 one for Proxmox and run OpenWRT as a guest. But it seems there's high IO delay with N series CPU, as we can see at 16:30. I don't know the root cause and cannot find the solution so far.

@kovelo8978

4 ай бұрын

I solved the issue disabling EMMC in BIOS and delete unnecessary device file.

Holy crap, 2.5G box with expandible quad SSD...? Sign me up!!

Here is the question. This one or the or one with the Intel Pentium Gold 8505? What I really like with the second one, is that it supports 64GB memory instead of just 32GB. But is it possible to reduce the PL2 from 55W to e.g. 30W to use less energy?

Have you guys ever made guides for people just starting to get into this kind of stuff? For example, what kinds of projects you can use a box like this for and how to actually set up things? I know there's probably a lot of tutorials out there but I always find more to be better, some people think of different info to include or explain things in different ways which makes learning overall much more thorough when you watch multiple videos like that.

Been looking at a lot of this tiny/mini/micro series but I have a question: can you set them up to do serial output? I want to put one of these in my rack but I dont want to keep a monitor/keyboard around in case I need to do something on the console. Rather just do serial to a rPi or another device in my rack so I can do it from my computer :)

Can you please test the monoprice slimrun cat 6a lineup? They barely have any testing, many anecdotes of failing at 10G at the shortest or longest (10ft) patchcord lengths.

Is the 4x ssd board already on sale?

Interesting expansion board)

Synology is forcing me with security updates to use CLI just to look at SMART data. Going to switch to this with TrueNAS and have control over features and simplicity I want as apposed to being under the thumb of corporate whims.

Where can I get the m2 expansion board. It looks interesting to me

Hi, I got one of these at a garage sale and I'm trying to determine the specifications. I only have the unit. I was able to open the back but I'm not sure how much ram or ssd is in here...?? Any advice? Thank you

Hello. I've watched your previous video "HUGE UPGRADE! New Firewall Router Virtualization Host" which covers N100 and N200 CPUs. That enclosure has N305 version too. There are also versions for N100 and N200 using enclosure present in this video. It seems that motherboard design is the same. Which enclosure is better for cooling? There is also one important aspect you didn't highlight in any video. Can this device enter S3 power state mode i.e suspend to ram? I've seen some of Intel N100 Mini PCs, which support only "Modern Standby" S0idle state. It means they will still consume those ~6W even in sleep mode.

It would be really cool if you”d get your hands on CWWK M1. It should be very similar hardware but in much nicer looking package. One thing I wonder about it is whether its fan is quiet or not?

where to find that M.2 to 4x M.2 board?

What happens when the battery fails, and it reboots? Will it hang on boot? Also, how good is watching KZread videos in Firefox running on this, views from this acrossvia a Windows Remote Desktop or VNC connection?

Proxmox working good in it? Does it have virtualization problem?

I got 2 internet connections, how do i setup a failsafe/switchover when 1 is down?

Patrick, your Amazon opens up an N100 version, but claims it's 8 cores. I'm not sure which version this is, it's not very clear (big surprise)

I love the conversion from Farenheit to Celcius but still using fractions 😅

What about bios updates? And I hear a lot of people fearing for bringing this kind of devices in their network... scared for backdoors etc... Did someone ever checked/tested this?

@marcogenovesi8570

9 ай бұрын

what do you need bios updates for, the CPU is soldered. Nobody checked these for backdoors so it's probably not great for high security environments

@cheerbeerification

9 ай бұрын

@@marcogenovesi8570 You would want updated bios for new microcode in the future.

Locks like they needed the Lanes usually used by USB3 for that 4x nvme board.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Yes. 9 Lanes total. 4x for 2.5GbE ports. So they only had 5 remaining.

Do you know if these things use Coreboot or Libreboot?

I want to see a fanless model with performance cores though. Only thing I saw like that was the Asus PL64 that had the i5-1235u (2 performance cores)

Where is the ssd Board available? Would really be Interessed in! Regards Oliver

Hi, Patrick, is there any chance you test Mikrotik RouterOS on these things?

Just wanted to chime in about the RAM... I got mine a couple of days and and paired it with a 32GB crucial sodimm and it has been fine so far, running proxmox ve. Just one pfsense vm running on it so far with no issues.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Awesome feedback.

@giorgos992

9 ай бұрын

2 weeks after, any problems yet?

Can you please retest the power consumption without the giant coiled up power cord inductor?

Definitely a great NAS computer. Could you tell me what the power-consumption is when you optimise the bios, IE disable the GPU, use conservative memory clocks etc?

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Folks in the forums have been doing this

PCIe 4.0 over pin header is... interesting. I didn't know that you could do that with acceptable SI/EMI.

have one in same form factor with N100 CPU, running OpenWRT today getting home, ambient ~27c, CPU was reading 59c, but NVME SSD was reading 71c, and those metal fins were hot to the touch. Wonder if SSD can sustain to run at 71c for long period of time?

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Most will throttle to stay OK. Usually using a lower-power DRAM-less SSD helps with heat.

With virtualization, memory is king. I'd love a unit like this with dual memory slots. Trading a bit of memory bandwidth against memory capacity would be no problem for me.

@DerekGreen123

9 ай бұрын

Agreed about the memory! Just a couple of points for others to reference: - All Intel 'N' chips are limited (crippled?) to single channel memory (so you'll never see a board with 2 slots) - Intel officially say 16GB is the Max memory, but I've seen a few KZreadrs get it to work with 32GB

@scsirob

9 ай бұрын

@@DerekGreen123 Tell you what.. I have a Topton N5105 NAS board that supports only 16GB but it has 2 SO-DIMM slots. I'm now running ESXi 7.0 with 64GB (2x Crucial 32GB SO-DIMM) on it. Works a treat. The 16GB limit is purely marketing, I think Intel uses the same memory controller as on other CPU dies that support more.

@CoolWolf69

6 ай бұрын

@@DerekGreen123 Well ... I threw a 32GB DDR5 SO-DIMM from Crucial into my N100 and that worked out of the box. No idea what special tasks you would need to do to get it to work - I did nothing ;-) I think I have read that it might work with 48GB as well.

So I picked up one of these, bought direct from CWWK via Amazon, and I did not get some of the additional accessories or the newer daughter board. That said, I have Proxmox installed and updated, installed OPNsense into a VM and OPNsense can get an IP from my ISP modem/router but it isn't passing any internet through to the LAN connection and I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure out why. The LAN interface does give my PC an IP via DHCP but no internet access. I feel I'm missing something simple but for the life of me cannot figure it out.

@WOWIMEXCITED

9 ай бұрын

Sounds like a firewall issue??? Not sure.

@RadioactiveLobster

9 ай бұрын

@@WOWIMEXCITED Apparently was a bug/issue with Proxmox 8 and how it was handling networking. Installed Proxmox 7.4, got everything working, did an in place update to Proxmox 8 and everything is working great.

I'm still in the honeymoon phase with proxmox and am pondering if there are certain limitations I should be looking out for.

which monitoring tool is that at 14:40 ?

Patrick, calm down! I just got the N100 you recommended a few days ago. I can't keep up :-D (very happy with it, though)

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

I think a LOT of people are going to be more than happy with the N100. Some just want more power and this is exciting from a technology perspective

Very nice Hardware, i was looking for my new Server at a the very similar 'NRG Systems IPU456A' but not enough NVME Slots on the IPU456A so i discarded it and builded my Homerserver on a ATX System. The PCIE Switch for 4 NVME is realy great and that is what was missing on the IPU. One thing which is realy a shame is the USB2.0. The IPU456A has one USB-C 10gb, and two USB-A 3.1 10GB so you could use External Jbod Cases for Datastorage. For me a 50% stronger Ryzen 5 5600U, 64GB Ram 3, NVME Drives and a Big Data Storage would have been ideal. I have a DIY Solution now. Neither System would meet my criteria but are very close.

Can this thing do IDS/DPI at 2.5gbps?

I have a smaller CWWK fanless running as my firewall. The thing randomly reboots. I'm wondering if anyone else has run into that issue?

How can we add cellular to this as a backup wan connection ?

During the crypto crash, I was buying Helium Miners (that contain Pi’s), taking them apart, and selling the Raspberry Pi’s out of them and using them for projects or selling them. I ended up with one “FreedomFi Miner” with an Intel J1900 with 4 Ethernet ports. I am hoping that I can make my own firewall or travel router.

Have you come across a device similar to this that has PoE on the ports?

Really wish they'd chuck a couple SFP+ ports.. or even better, make the 4 ports as a PCIe card, that can be replaced.

i wish there was one of those with a free fullsize PCIe slot so i can put a SFP+ Card in there... been looking for that wor ages.

The proxmox thing happened to me very frequently with different machines. It usually installs OK, reboot OK, and then misteriously the name of the interface you were attached to initially changes when you reboot after creating a linux bridge, so the machine obviously becomes inaccessible. You need to then find the new interface name and readd it to the bridge and now it's that. Annoying but hey.

Hi Patrick! what is your view on pentium gold 8505 based mini pc? similar in price, power, features, and same shell, even. having 6 threads instead of 8, but that 1 big core can help with some jobs.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Also a good option. For a desktop, I would probably take the 8505. For a firewall or virtualization appliance I probably prefer the N305 since it is all E-core and has more physical cores.

9:56 This chip is a clock buffer, that only clones clock signal to additional drives, so only way that they could implement 4 NVMe is probably via bifurcation x4 slot to four x1 sub-slots. And that's going to be very limited and below usual 2 PCIe lanes that even older low-end NVMe drives have. Unclear, why even bother with NVMe then, unless you require some very niche use case with SFF build for low-throughput high-IOPS very expensive high-end SSDs, which would be very costly and highly inefficient.

N305 is a beast of a chip in this low power category. Congrats on the video, great video quality too.

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Why do people always complain in these reviews? It should have dual DDR5, USB3, etc. It's a value PC; if you want better specs, buy a premium PC. I specifically love that this manufacturer transfers hardware savings to the consumer (me).

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

It was because the previous generation was dual channel.

Awesome but when I read about Intel i226-v, users literally talk nothing but the issues with this chipset. So how is it now? Is it a issue with the chipset or the drivers?

Who knows how to reset/update BIOS? I pressed the Clear CMOS button during turn-on and now the PC does not beep and doesn't post. I don't know what happened. Seems like BISOS is broken. Thanks in advance

I've seen 8th/10th gen intel versions with 6 2.5gb ports (w/sim for cellular and management port) on amazon .... almost ready to pull the trigger

@Chris.Brisson

9 ай бұрын

You, you, power hog! #ThinkGreen

@johnh1353

9 ай бұрын

@@Chris.Brisson I'll admit it, I ran an x299 workstation

@Demopans5990

9 ай бұрын

@Chris.Brisson Better than perfectly usable chips ending up in the landfill

The best EVER Fanless Mini PCs will be the one that supports ECC memory ;-)

@marcogenovesi8570

9 ай бұрын

ECC fans assemble!

@JB-fh1bb

9 ай бұрын

I wish Intel had taken low-cost ECC seriously after Ryzen showed them how it’s done.

@kwinzman

9 ай бұрын

@@JB-fh1bb Apparently the newest Intel Desktop processors 12th and 13th gen support ECC again. However only if you buy the W-series motherboard that Intel wants you to buy. Which sucks. And laptop, und SBC ECC is completely missing in action.

Anyone know the utility used to run thn CPU stress test ??

Any options for a "not intel NIC" version of these? I wake up in cold sweats and screaming disconnect after my I225 woes.

Just curious -- why would you want to install proxmox and then pf/opnsense on top of it if only wanting a firewall?? Why the hypervisor if only going to use pf/opnsense?

@ServeTheHomeVideo

9 ай бұрын

You are correct, there is no need. Some folks like to have an additional Linux VM on the same box. Another good use case though, and one that I did for a LONG time is to be able to roll-back config changes almost instantly (

@rinat1985

8 ай бұрын

proxmox just gives you fine grained control and freedom to use it in various ways, think of forwarding 4x m.2 pci-e 1x drives to some virtual machine with NAS or Docker - for home usage there wouldn't be many users (1 to 6 usually), so even having 8 powersaving cores to deal with 15 docker containers simultaneously being 4x2.5Gbit router shouldn't be a problem

@kevinhilton8683

8 ай бұрын

I haven't used proxmox but rather xcp-ng and I've had pfsense virtualized for over three years...for the most part it works pretty well but as I'm going in my knowledge and trying more advanced network setups I'm really running into some strange problems..like asymmetric routing..that I've only discovered after posting many many places and doing a bunch of reading and experimentation. Possibly it's an xcp-ng thing and not a proxmox things however the general consensus is because it's a virtualized setup. I'm very much contemplating just adding another device or two for a bare metal router setup and not virtualize this particular part of my network. I will say having the ability to instantly roll back to a saved snapshot is awesome with the vms, but I might be able to accomplish this if using zfs with pfsense and having it zfs send receive to my truenas core zfs setup. It's probaby not as convenient for sure but it's a backup.

very cool...I couldn't find the max memory...would it support a 32GB sodim, I see the 16GB one you show on amazon....

@waynewilliamson4212

9 ай бұрын

I've been using the old 2 core 4 thread for a very long time and they have worked great.

Mac Mini should have this case