For all its faults, this line by Jeremy Irons is golden: "That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness, that turns good men... cruel."

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

Жыл бұрын

Goes so hard dude. Perfectly sums up Batfleck in this film.

@christopherb501

Жыл бұрын

All the more reason to not deprive people of basic necessities and rights, nor pump people's heads, regardless of class, full of baseless existentialism.

@dibsdibs3495

Жыл бұрын

He’s probably my favorite tough Alfred but my favorite vulnerable father version of Alfred is Michael Caine.

@theoutsiderjess4869

Жыл бұрын

That was one of the best lines in the entire snyderverse

@akwilson1676

Жыл бұрын

@@dibsdibs3495 Gotham's tough Alfred is still better.

What baffles me the most is the choice to adapt the dark knight returns as the batmans in-universe debut. TDK is a response to 20 years of silly batman stories, not a start to his character Its like snyder was flipping thru the book, saw batman holding a rifle, killing joker, and punching superman and said "fuck yeah bro this is gonna be my movie"

@ventsislavstefanov9590

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.. what frustrates me even more is that Ben Affleck could've easily pulled off mid-30s Batman in his prime. You're just introducing the character, why have him 20 years deep into his career with all his best stories behind him while Superman is just starting out? What a waste of great actors and stories.

@d3rrick10493

Жыл бұрын

That's the only story Snyder ever read, you cannot convince me otherwise.

@d3rrick10493

Жыл бұрын

​@@edits1999regardless of him being old and broken. No guns, no killing, that isn't ANY Batman

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to like Man of Steel but what had frustrated me the most watching it initially was Snyder seemed more interested in seeing everybody's reaction to Superman existing than Superman himself so his development to me felt lacking. I assumed a sequel was a given though and held out hope that was where they could focus on fleshing out Superman but then they made that BvS announcement at Comic-Con where Snyder was reading a quote out of Dark Knight Returns that I started seeing red flags.

@onlyone23km

11 ай бұрын

Well, y’all still hate Joel’s work even postmortem and you guys thought Nolan was king. Are you surprised this is what y’all got based on how you voted with your dollars?

Feels bad for both of the actors

@mrbransformer4184

Жыл бұрын

Amy adams?

@PeeWeeHermit

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, must be hard being paid $40 million dollars by the parent company that’s paid your salary for 2 decades and becoming the best versions of the characters. The only thing WB did right was pay these people. What’s sad is that these stories were abandoned, for literally no reason

@sheadoherty7434

Жыл бұрын

​@@PeeWeeHermit"best versions of the characters", next time you attempt to troll be less obvious.

@CaptainRockoBD

Жыл бұрын

@@PeeWeeHermitest versions of the characters is a MASSIVE fucking load of shit 🤦🏽‍♂️😂👎🏽

@flyingmonke

Жыл бұрын

Affleck is Oscar caliber but Cavill is an utter clown with his terrible stone acting

"This is not a bad performance this is a bad interpretation." That's a great statement.

@inyourelilsistersass5554

11 ай бұрын

It was both to me

We needed a solo Batman before they had BVS. A solo Batman movie would’ve explained a lot of the rage Batman had in the BVS movie

@sharendavis9216

9 ай бұрын

Completely disagree

@maxjohnson6502

9 ай бұрын

And a Man of Steel sequel before BvS.

@sharendavis9216

9 ай бұрын

@@maxjohnson6502 BVS is a sequel to man of steel

@maxjohnson6502

9 ай бұрын

@sharendavis9216 I'm talking about an official sequel that shows Superman being, well, Superman, to make us connect emotionally to Clark, adding to the effectiveness of his death in BvS

Starring Henry Cavill as Mopeyman, Ben Affleck as Captain Murder and Jesse Eisenberg as Heath Ledger.

The biggest problem with Batman in this movie is that much of the development that made Batman go that dark is done off screen. Therefore it is being told to us and not shown. That breaks film rule 101. Show don’t tell!!

@jasonhearn5818

Жыл бұрын

Too much being crammed into the movie

@biguy617

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonhearn5818 exactly there is another problem

@jasonhearn5818

Жыл бұрын

@biguy617 3 of the most iconic characters in all of comics and a 250 to 300 mil budget and it doesn't even clear 1bil at the box office thats a problem

@HD_Hates

11 ай бұрын

This is why they should have used the Batman flashback scenes in Suicide Squad for this movie by basically depicting Joker killing Robin and perhaps Deadshot assasinating Lucius Fox . These two events could have seen Batman slowly losing it and questioning his code .

@biguy617

11 ай бұрын

@@HD_Hates the Robin that died was Greyson not Jason Todd!! Snyder killed Nightwing!!

i tried watching this movie twice and i fell asleep twice worst part is that both times i woke up, i tried to finish it, and still fell asleep again

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I would have woken up when that wonder woman theme started screaming at me haha

@banmnx4823

11 ай бұрын

Batman v Superman: Yawn of justice 🥱

I always liked to think that Clark simply never accepted himself as superman and wondered why everyone else did which could partially explain why it doesn't feel like he's the classic superman. It doesn't really work sure, but on paper sounded really intriguing.

@Vietnam_Chr0nicles

Жыл бұрын

AndI loved it

@YEAR-1-RELICS

Жыл бұрын

Everyone excepted him as superman ? I don't think you watched BVS then..

@aldairreynoso2564

Жыл бұрын

@@YEAR-1-RELICS everybody but the higher governments, people seem to really like him in general, there was a few that didn't but he was praised as such

@YEAR-1-RELICS

Жыл бұрын

@@aldairreynoso2564 are you forgetting the capital blowing up conspiracy burn him burn him riots ?? Are you forgetting the send the illigal Alien away protesters at the capital ?? Are you forgetting the guy who lost his legs who told the world superman isn't a hero ?

@brocKain

11 ай бұрын

He is that Superman but with realistic psychology behind his experience and actions. how does nobody get this?

Oh man. That's not Luthor. That was The Riddler, hitting his head and having a mental breakdown thinking he's someone else and everyone else played along just for laughs. PS. LOL, I made the comment just before the video points it out.

Yeah the plot fundamentally does not work with how wrong it gets Lex Luthor, wanting to cram in so many different story lines including the death of Superman which obviously should've been used in a later film, and Batman trying to kill Superman does not jibe well when the whole conflict could've been resolved with a single conversation

@ironwez20

Жыл бұрын

@@edits1999 Lex Luther doesn’t act like that in the source material 😂

Imagine if in Civil War, Thanos just rolled up and he was immediately taken care of then and there with the help of Captain Marvel. That is what Batman v Superman did with Doomsday. I've said it before, you said it here, what a waste of all the characters.

@thetricksterdbz

Жыл бұрын

That was not the original Doomsday. The original Doomsday is alive

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp

11 ай бұрын

@@thetricksterdbz doesn't really matter. It still sucked

@thetricksterdbz

11 ай бұрын

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp probably the design, but the CGI was a top!

@MSgt_0699

11 ай бұрын

This is because instead of enjoying a movie and the story given, you wanted an MCU copy where WB delivered twenty movies to Doomsday. You may as well cry about how Ra's al Ghul was wasted in Batman Begins.

@Axetwin

11 ай бұрын

@@MSgt_0699 Doomsday didn't need 20 movies to build him up. But he did need a movie where he got an actual story all to himself. Darkseid on the other hand DID need several movies to build up to. Funnily enough Ras Al Ghul was fine. You know why? Because Batman Begins actually had a well written story that wasn't trying to shoehorn in a dozen other Batman elements.

The problem that DC has had. Is trying to catch up to Marvel's cinematic success out the gate. Every Dc movie has been rushed and poorly executed. And don't get me started on the horrible casting choices for certain characters. But i would have to strongly agree with you. The fact that someone thought it would be cool to have batman kill. Especially using guns don't know the essence of Batman. Furthermore they don't understand Superman either. They made metropolis as dark as gotham. Then they shoe horned in Wonder women and Doomsday. This was a train wreck..smh

@MKL3165

Жыл бұрын

What's crazy is dc had the chance to beat marvel to it. Even after the writer's strike. But waited to late and hesitated with dark knight rises releasing. But it would have been the perfect time. Justice league mortal could have gotten all of the heroes out the way. And we could have had solo films all through the 2010s. We would be in the end game phase by damn near 2019. Dc knew george Miller was on to something. For example the man of steel fighting scene was ripped right out of the justice league mortal script. Literally was supposed to be wonder woman vs Superman zod style. From the moon back to earth. And they had a avengers type battle in the city. Before the avengers where they all get together and go into battle. And had a well known hero sacrifice himself iron man style. George Miller was truly the beginning of it all idea wise. If Im dc I'ma stay the hell out of Matt reeves and James Gunn's way. And not make the same mistake again by taking out critical parts of the film.

@The80sWolf_

Жыл бұрын

The "catch up" narrative is false from the start. You dont "catch up" with 2 fkn movied

@CaptainRockoBD

Жыл бұрын

@@MKL3165the dark knight trilogy was NEVER going to lead into a cinematic universe and they didn’t have any plans for it to at all.

@CaptainRockoBD

Жыл бұрын

@@MKL3165i do agree with some of what you said though. I have complete faith in James Gunn, as long as WB doesn’t put there sticky fingers all over everything .

@Incepted

Жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ That narrative is true because Zack said it in an interview already pal. He originally wanted to do a Superman Trilogy, it was WB who made him do BvS and JL to catch up with the Marvel Avengers Success - hence why its super rushed.

Those who defend Batman using a gun or intentionally killing someone as " him losing his way" are the same who excuse Superman for causing so much destruction and violence because he's " new to being a hero, or just starting out". I mean how much heroing does it take to realize that humans are mortal and you should probably take the fight away to less populated areas. Look Snyder has his fans. But they don't get the ideas behind these heros, what they stand for , Its like any history longer than 10 yrs is ago is too dated. B oth characters have been around for 85 yrs. Many of us fans love that history. But to Snyder in a world where Gods walk amoung us, aliens everywhere, super powered individuals exist, that for Snyder the hardest part for him to accept is that heros can be morally pure, and not psychologically damaged and morally ambiguous.

@Theleaver5088

Жыл бұрын

Theyre probably the same people who'd say that we are cry babies for not liking a batman that kills or the typical '' the other batmen killed and you didnt give a shit but you hate Batfleck'' which is ludicrous because Batfleck killing isnt even comparable to the ''killing'' that other live action batman had done ( unless it's Keaton ) or the it's just a different interpretation, which is just stupid because if it's a different version then it shouldn't be criticised, and yet conveniently they can criticised other batmen

I think it would've worked if Batman finds out Martha is Clark's mom's name after he saves her, like if it happened as Vee pitched where Superman could've said "You have to save my mother" and then after the save Batman asks her name to comfort her or something like that and she then reveals "Martha," giving him the same realization the movie was going for

@Malebolge-mp2qs

Жыл бұрын

the whole martha scene would be so much better if batman never killed anyone tbh

@horaciosi

Жыл бұрын

That's something a normal human being would've done. Alas, this is Hack Snyder we're talking about.

@SGCentral

Жыл бұрын

Batman learning Superman's mother's name shouldn't even matter. He's already killed before, does he think those people he killed didn't have mothers or loved ones they cared about? He kills so many goons when he doesn't have to, just to have a existential crisis when Lois tells him Martha is Superman's mother's name too. Superman having parents doesn't change that he is a potential threat to the planet. For all you know, he still is responsible for the Capitol bombing. Also, he literally said "I bet your parents taught you that you were sent here for a reason." He doesn't give murderers with human parents grace, he doesn't give murderers with alien parents grace, but he gives Superman grace cause his mother's names are the same?! Which means if Superman's mother's name was anything else, he would die and Martha would die. I hate this plot point.

@Malebolge-mp2qs

Жыл бұрын

@@SGCentral but imagine if batman who never killed anyone before, learns that superman is just a guy with a mom, and he is going to kill a guy with a mom, not some alien threat he pictured him to be. That would be so great and meaningful, it could be a peak moment in the movie - but batfleck killed bunch of dudes with mom before martha scene and after.

@The80sWolf_

Жыл бұрын

Makes zero sense

Ben Affleck deserved a solo Batman movie. Too bas his Batflick fell through.

@dominiquejones3805

2 ай бұрын

That fight scene made me really want a Ben Affleck/Batman movie. I loved the brutality he brought 2 the screen

It should be called, "Batman & Superman"

@ryankeefe2102

Жыл бұрын

I'd call it Man of Steel 2: Batman v Superman

*16-year-old me will never forget how massively disappointed I was when I saw this movie. This was supposed to be the epic showdown of the century between two of the most iconic superheroes of all time but what do we get instead? A 2 1/2 hour contrived sloppy confusing mess of a movie that was just a pile of nonsense, full of character butchering, creating tons of plot holes, having so many infamously stupid scenes, very pitiful villains and it’s very clear that they combine so many classic comic book storylines into one movie which doesn’t work at all. The only saving graces of this movie was the badass warehouse fight sequence and the introduction of Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman, which gave me goosebumps.*

@Primetime372

Жыл бұрын

Luckily the ultimate edition fixes all of that

@mycahjofficial

Жыл бұрын

@@Primetime372 I mean it does slightly, but not entirely, because I’m not really a fan of the ultimate edition either unfortunately.

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

You were 16. Calm down.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was my second theatrical movie that truly disappointed me. My first one was Terminator: Genisys.

@Spongebrain97

Жыл бұрын

The first for me was The Dark Knight Rises but BvS surpassed that for me

@christopherb501

Жыл бұрын

Mine was Attack of the Clones.

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure there was more, but off the top of my head is Age of Ultron.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

I remember being kind of excited for Genisys until I found out Jai Courtney was playing Kyle Reese. It made me question if they even watched the first Terminator.

Also I hate that Luthor created Doomsday. Take so much from Doomsday, on top of that, dude he is more like Bizarro....

@akilbrazier1421

Жыл бұрын

I think the original idea was having Lex create Metallo from the paraplegic guy who ends up being the 3rd act villain for Superman and Batman to fight. They should’ve stuck to that.

@darkservantofheaven

10 ай бұрын

@@akilbrazier1421 that could have been cool

@akilbrazier1421

10 ай бұрын

@@darkservantofheaven I agree. I would’ve much preferred that to what we got. I even saw concept art for it. Metallo looked bigger and kinda more like a mech rather than a humanoid, but that still would’ve been better than wasting Doomsday and the Death of Superman.

15:57 killing Tchalla was the worse decision marvel could’ve done

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I mean we're getting a tchalla again in the future but they wanted to honor Chadwick could have recasted maybe they should have but I'm fine with it as Wakanda forever did hit in the feels

@tmac731

11 ай бұрын

@@lightdarksoul2097BP2 should have been delayed. Since marvel was desperate to make a movie then it should’ve taken place after Infinity War. Tchalla was dead for 5 years so that would have been perfect to honor Chadwick in BP 2 then have a post credit scene when Tchalla(in the suit with his face covered) gets blipped back then he’s off to endgame. That would have been a great way to say good bye to Chadwick as Tchalla but not kill Tchalla all together post Endgame. Then recast Tchalla in Kang Dynasty. Toussaint Tchalla is BS

So according to you thus movie was a disappointment but the 90s show wasn't?😂😂😂😂

I remember mostly liking the movie and really hating the dude that did Lex, but, it could have been as good as it’s animated counterpart, shameful we missed out on such a spectacle.

Batman V Superman wasn't nearly as disappointing as the realization that it wasn't even the most faithful adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns released that year (2016). "You cost me hours of work last night." "Then I'll get right to it. You have to go back into retirement. You're upsetting too many people." "Mhm." "Why do you always have to be like this? You played right into their hands the last time. When the parents groups and the subcommittees came after us, YOU were the one they pointed to! You act like a Criminal!" "We are criminals, Clark. We always have been. You're still one, too. Only difference is that you have a boss--" "And you answer to no one."

Ben Affleck is the only live action Bruce Wayne/Batman I have ever liked - and he was given THE WORST material to work with. I wish Ben had gotten a fair chance FAR from Zack Snyder.

Sure Batman did used guns during the 40s 50s or even in Todd McFarlane Year 2 Batman comic story but I do feel like Thomas Wayne Batman from the Flashpoint storyline is the only Batman who uses guns and being way more aggressive than his own son IMO.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I think the limits of the no killing rule makes the some of the coolest batmen

The death of Superman was rushed and didn't left a impact, lex luthor is a cartoon, Batman was a murderer, wonder woman has no reason to be in this movie, doomsday was unnecessary, the fight was forgettable, Clark wasn't developed, Lois was boring, the justice league set up is forced, how did lex discovered Superman can't see through led and discovered other meta humans? And how did he know Superman and Batman secret identities? You got a three hour movie and you couldn't even do that right... This movie is a mess with and without the extended cut

@fernandodelgado4329

Жыл бұрын

Yes, You described the other problems I had with the films because Man Of Steel 2 would have been suited better as a sequel so it could have explored Henry Cavill's Superman more

Honestly, I’m still not sure if Jesse Eisenberg is playing Edward Nigma or if he was saying hey Zack you should’ve cast me as the Joker! But as horrible as this was it’s still Zach Snyder and the writing that did this. And if you read what his plan was it was going to get worse. And the biggest culprit is the WB itself they wanted the MCU but they wanted it yesterday and were unwilling to do the work. Batman vs Superman should have been two heroes that fight on the same side but from different angles and it should have ended with the forging of the World’s Finest and the friendship that brings out the best in both. It also becomes, in my opinion, the driving force behind the formation of the Justice League.

@thanktink4328

11 ай бұрын

Spot on. Well said.

the ultimate cut of this movie is way better then the theocratical cut in my opinion.

@aster390

Жыл бұрын

But still bad

@TevyaSmolka

Жыл бұрын

@@aster390 fair enough

@hmhm9590

Жыл бұрын

Dude I watched that version of the movie 4 times and I still can't understand why people say this one is better it's longer and even more boring

@TevyaSmolka

Жыл бұрын

@@hmhm9590 fair enough and honestly I don't blame you for watching that version of that movie four times not understanding it.

BVS was the first Batman movie ever where I felt like walking out of the theater halfway through the movie and Jesse Eisenberg made it unbearable.

Having a Batman 20 years in was a dumb decision in my opinion.

@akilbrazier1421

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I never liked that decision from the start. Especially since this was his first appearance in a live action cinematic universe. I think the reason they did it was because we had just come off the heels of the Dark Knight trilogy and they wanted a completely different take on Batman to differentiate from that. Plus the DCEU/Snyderverse was supposed to have a much shorter term arc/story than the MCU where Batman was gonna get killed off at the end of Justice League 3, I believe.

@DanielTorres-pw8il

11 ай бұрын

Gunn is skipping some time too. He will have him with Damian in the first Batman movie.

@Gantaipao

11 ай бұрын

​@@DanielTorres-pw8ilyeah but not a retired Batman to kick start a Universe.

@whateveryaw8109

11 ай бұрын

Why? It makes too much sense?

@Anthonycheesman33

11 ай бұрын

@@whateveryaw8109 how does it make sense ?

The argument that the Martha scene is about Batman seeing Superman as a human being for the first time would have held a lot more weight in a movie where Batman had sworn to never kill human beings. The notion that he was willing to kill an alien to protect humans is a theme that could be cleverly worked with (and in the comics Superman and Batman both often kill tons of aliens and it's often not remarked on, though this is probably just bad writing). But as you said, this movie is entirely squandered.

This movie could have turned Scoot McCnairy into Metallo but it doesn’t do that. Instead he is also thrown away as quickly as he was introduced.

I don’t know but i loved this version of batman..the way he fights especially the warehouse scene where he takes on 5-6 goons at once seems so believeable because ben aflecks size..and the batsuit was more accurate to the comic than any other batman movie so far..

@inyourelilsistersass5554

11 ай бұрын

The way he fights especially the warehouse that was the only good scene their wasn't anymore of batman's hand to hand skills 😂

@rodschermerhorn6996

10 ай бұрын

Yup

Only positive things are Alfred and Wonder Woman. The rest was terribly mishandled.

batman used guns and killed ppl (how do u mess up the simple no kill rule) and another flaw was he wasn’t a detective all he did was hack a computer the movie made him a lazy detective

@madddoggnogood1491

Жыл бұрын

So it's ok for Keaton to blow up people and uses guns on the batwing but Affleck was the worst

@Kevinnn167

Жыл бұрын

@@madddoggnogood1491 did i mention keaton? no i didn’t and i’m not a fan of keaton either

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

No Batman has ever been shown as a great detective, yes not even Battinson even though he was SUPPOSE to be THE detective version of Batman on the big screen.

@Theleaver5088

Жыл бұрын

His detective skills aren't even detective skills. Pattinson one actually does some detective work despite clearly shown to be a rookie. As for the no kill rule, just remember the time when Snyder said that we're ( comic fans ) living in a dreamworld is enough to tell us that he either doesn't understand or he does understand but decided to not respect the character moral integrity ( no, I don't buy that he's deconstructing batman or he's lost his way )

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

@@Theleaver5088 Snyder's point about some fans being a bit dillusional if we think Batman can do all this without resorting to killing, even in an indirect way isn't really far fetched considering he is trying to put it into perspective of how they would operate in his more cynical world. Yes he is deconstructing the characters because he is putting them into this world of what if they existed in this reality. It's the same thing he did with Superman in MoS where Superman can not save everyone in Metropolis from the world engine. People will die. It won''t be like in Superman vs The Elites where he saved everyone while pretending to go unhinged. Not to mention he's using Frank Miller's The Dark Knight as his canvas for his story. You don't have to buy anything. He's just not using your preconcieved notions of the character and challenging aspects of them.

To me the most uncharacteristic thing that Bats did in that film was branding the inmates knowing they were getting beaten to death because of it. So like what, he doesn't kill but endorses it?

I remember being hyped too Vee…….until I read that it would be a sequel to Man of Steel, and made by the same man……..thanks Zack 😒

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

That BvS announcement at Comic-Con with Snyder quoting DKR was the first of many red flags for me.

@joeker5208

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbearkat2010 i absolutely love Frank Miller’s DKR. But I know just from watching BvS and seeing Zack’s interviews that he didn’t pay attention to the story

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

@@joeker5208 it's fine if you love it but my issue had been that watching Man of Steel, Superman almost felt like a supporting character in his own movie to me so I had been hoping his sequel would flesh him out more so I felt using DKR just meant Supes would be pushed to the side again.

@joeker5208

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbearkat2010 yeah I can see that. My biggest issue with the DCEU as a whole has been that characters barely ever had time to really develop or be well characterized. And Superman is a perfect example of that. But I also didn’t care for Man of Steel, and don’t care for it’s take on Clark Kent

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

@@joeker5208 It's actually kind of fascinating how determined WB seemed to be to just absolutely waste Henry Cavill over the years.

Maybe giving Batman a higher killcount than Michael Myers was a bad idea 😂

The first time I watched this movie was in the cinema, and I loved it (not so much now since I find the theatrical cut to be unwatchable, after watching the ultimate edition) because it was the first live action movie with the DC trinity in it. Batman killing never bothered me because I'd already seen him kill plenty of people in the comics and the movies, both intentionally and unintentionally, so it was nothing new to me. I also liked this Batman's character arc in finding faith in humanity again through Superman. Henry Cavil is literally perfect casting as Superman, it's criminal that he was fired (especially in the way he was fired). His brooding never bothered me either because it made sense on why he was (if the world was questioning my every move, I'd be brooding too 😂). I still think this movie has Gal Gadot's best performance as Wonder Woman even though she has the fewest scenes in this one. I like Jesse Eisenberg. I don't care what role he plays (he could play Martian Manhunter and I'd still like it 🤣).

@thegoose5629

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that's what I said batman has killed in the comics I don't know where people got tye idea where he doesn't kill

To be fair, the premise of The Dark Knight Returns is that Batman did go off the deep end. He shoots a thug with a gun in a sudden black-and-white color shift and jokes to the reader that he's using "rubber bullets, honest" in his tank. That was Frank Miller teasing about Batman's no-kill rule and mocking DC's censorship.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

Which kind of makes Dark Knight Returns an at best questionable adaptation choice if your plan is to make a sustainable cinematic universe. Frank Miller even tried it and made Batman a joke in a whole different way.

@bonchbonch

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbearkat2010 Agreed.

Atleast the title isn't as bad as it's original ones, which were "Son of Sun" and "Knight of Night"

@darkservantofheaven

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's dumb

That's why I could never be a Snyder fan, even though I love Henry as Superman this movie was rushed, I was angry that they skipped Man of Steel 2 and went right into this, it was probably not Snyder's idea but the execs at WB. This movie is the reason they had to restart fresh without Henry, he had the worst Lex and Doomsday.

I think the entire movie would’ve increased in quality by 50% if they would’ve just shown how and why Bruce lost his way, like Vee said his first reaction about “even if there’s a 1% chance” would never be Batman’s first thought/reaction so in the case for this movie we never got to see it, Snyder hints towards it with the beat up Robin suit and seeing why Batman has this strong held conviction about not even giving supes a chance because he sees the power he holds and he knows supes could take everyone/everything left in Bruce’s life and we never fully understand why he has 0 room to even hear supes out. It’s just “I’m gunna kill him” from start up until very end.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

Man, I remember people loving that 1% percent chance line and they were like "oh yeah, that's classic Batman" and I felt like that Jackie Chan meme

@donjon1179

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbearkat2010 bro I am crying😂😂😂 I couldn’t agree more like when that and the Martha line hit I was literally looking around like ain’t no fuckin way y’all buyin this shit😂😂😂

@sathrielsatanson666

11 ай бұрын

No, it wouldn't in the slightest.

@donjon1179

11 ай бұрын

@@sathrielsatanson666 probably not but it would’ve been a decent start

You made a great point about Superman seeming to shrug off death. Like thats the worst it can get and he came back from it. What conflict can he come across that is worse than death?

@akilbrazier1421

Жыл бұрын

I was saying the same thing. After Superman’s death in BvS, the stakes for the future were instantly gone.

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

@@akilbrazier1421 which is ironic because people kept complaining about how the MCU movies had no consequences to them whatsoever and that Snyder's universe was going to be deeper than that.

@MSgt_0699

11 ай бұрын

@@akilbrazier1421 Makes no sense, considering that his death is what woke up the Mother Boxes and signaled to Darkseid that Earth was open for business. Pretty high stakes.

@MSgt_0699

11 ай бұрын

Not a good point at all. It avoids the movies. He clearly did not shrug off death as he knowingly flew Kryptonite to Doomsday. He clearly accepted that he may have to sacrifice. And he clearly did not shrug off that sacrifice after he was brought back in ZSJL. But before that, why would he not shrug off death? He is invulnerable, doesn't really feel pain even when pounded by another Kryptonian, never been cut, never had a Cold. What has he ever been scared of? According to his entire life's experience, he simply cannot die. The ZSJL scene where he was in the corn field and the camera showing the butterfly dancing around Clark's hand was about a new found appreciation for life and how fragile it is for everything else on the planet. THAT was the Superman that fans bitched about not seeing in MoS. The entire point was that Clark had to earn Superman, not just toss on a cape and make you feel good about yourself in the theater.

@roberttreacy8271

11 ай бұрын

As the Smeghead said in his Cinematic Excrement review of Transformers: Age of Extinction - “It kinda ruins the tension when death is just a minor inconvenience.”

My main issue with this movie is that it has no idea what it wants to be. It can’t decide if it wants to be a sequel to Man of Steel, a reintroduction to Batman, a Batman and Superman team-up, or a set-up to a Justice League movie (any one of these ideas are fine, but pick one or the other).

Interesting theory about the lex Luther portrayal: one of the things that obviously don't anchors this film is that it's still trying to carry plot points from the earlier drafts of a Batman versus Superman movie. And in all of those movies, except for this one it was always Alexa Luther teaming up with the joker against Batman and Superman. My theory is that they stupidly basically combined the lex luthor and joker characters together, which explains a lot of this versions Lex luthor's behavior.

It’s like I said in another Batman video this was the first time I realize their mothers were both named Martha lol

@SmittyPimp

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Been reading their comics and watching their media for YEARS and never noticed lol

@mikejanacone8328

Жыл бұрын

@@SmittyPimp yes, I’ve actually heard that from a a lot of people, they realize that after they watch this movie

Definitely agree. It didn't help that Affleck gave a good performance in such a messy movie

Who ever decided the direction they were going to take Lex Luther in should be publicly stoned..

Currently working on a Snyderverse films in chronological order video. Starting by watching Wonder woman , then WW84, man of steel, bvs ultimate edition, Suicide Squad, Sndyercut JL, Auquaman, Shazam, Birds of Prey, Shazam 2, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, Black Adam, finishing with the Flash in this particular order for Canon. I have to say personally if you ever watch these films again if you see them in this order, IN THIS PARTICULAR Order and you take if for a DC Universe series and not individual films but more of miniseries it actually really all works. I would also go on a limb and say I can accept Lex Luthors character being the way he is up to the moment he essentially learns the secrets of the universe in BVS and flips a switch and shaves his head and gets very serious at the end of the film because we see a development in his seriousness and cunning when he reveals Batmans Identity to Deathstroke in the Snydercut (which in a sequel film mayber JL2 would also show how Lex found out who both Batman & Superman were because like you said is a huge deal). I would also say like Zac Snyder did in his film having chapter cards if you watch the films as chapters it is enjoyable and does not feel rushed it really shows that there was a vision a huge overarching story and one that could have paid off in time but money, corporate inference, and personal tragedy robbed of alot of cool moments. Also really quick I'm a huge Batman fan but still personally didn't feel he needed a film because there have been so many and I can understand the correct and enjoying the different versions of him in media and could get on board with his particular 20 year in it Batman needed to be dirty and had been through so much that so much more tragedy in his life ala losing Robin could have just changed perspective for Batfleck making him colder and darker because by the time we get to Knightmare World in the JL Snydercut he tells Joker his will kill him and swears to Harley by it, because this batman is at the end of it all he cant keep up he is broken mentally and physically. Thank you for my Ted talk! Haha

Every time I see those bad guys in the dream sequence run up to Batman and pose with their guns, not fire, and just wait to get hit, I just fucking laugh. It’s so dumb.

Ty vee! I’ve been trying to tell people that the Martha part is not really dumb! It’s a good scene that brings batmans humanity back and makes him realize that he and Superman are not so much different! Batman realizes Superman is like a human!

@akilbrazier1421

Жыл бұрын

But it’s executed so poorly

@d3rrick10493

Жыл бұрын

The idea is fine, the scene and writing are very dumb. Sorry man.

@austingrist7467

Жыл бұрын

​@@akilbrazier1421executed VERY poorly

@bekari305

Жыл бұрын

Nah it's dumb. Why did he say her name like that. And the batmans reaction is so ridiculous

A movie that has both Batman and Superman in the title should have made over a billion dollars, and the fact that it didn’t shows how bad Zack Snyder was at the dceu, even if some movies were good

@volkovedits

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and then people use it as an excuse “At least Snyders movies made money” There was no way a movie that included Batman and Superman wasn’t going to make money.

"And right now, I'm going to share why with all of yo-" AD TIME God I just "love" youtube's ad placements. It's always so abrupt and intrusive.

Would've worked if it was based off the 3 part World's finest episodes from Superman TAS, and had elements of the Public Enemies story. And also if anyone but Zack Snyder had directed.

Awesome video as always Vee! For the Martha moment, I think many people still misunderstand it! No flex I SWEAR, but I understood it back in the day when first saw it at 19 on opening weekend DESPITE seeing the problems as they occurred and registering the movie to be bad! Sups doesn't call his mom Martha in some ploy to trick Bats, the writers weren't being lazy/ thinking they r beyond smart or something like that. We had a scene prior where Sups basically talked to his Ma and even his ghost pa about not belonging and such. Doing the best you can and blah. Sups didn't feel human/ a good person or whateva. So when he says save Martha it's because he doesn't feel right saying she is his mom anymore. That's how low he felt. It inadvertently SAVED his life. Not him godhood but he humanity! B and S both have mommy's. Both named Martha. It's beautiful and hella gay ❤️❤️❤️ Execute pretty meh but still, sexy! Me like :) Edit I sleepy got wake up morning go work earn money

I still think the argument that Keaton's Batman is excused for killing because of when the films were made is disingenuous. If you want to adamantly follow the Batman rule of no killing then it should apply to all Batman iterations made after the rule was established.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I mean Tim Burton never claimed to be a batman fan he was doing something all his own. Like his Bruce is super weird

@DanielTorres-pw8il

11 ай бұрын

He went full retard with that one. 🤣

I almost walked out of the theater on opening day by the third act and I only recently tried to give it another chance, but couldn't get through the first act.

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I think it just may be too long with not much happening

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

@@asimhussain8716 the Snyder cut was fun as hell and I think Zach did deserve the movie after the crap he went through however, the people that say that this was like his original vision are wrong. The Snyder cut made plenty of changes from feedback of the Josstice league version. Also damn the movie had so much padding to reach the length

What stings the most for me is that i see what Snyder saw with this batman. A character who was so pissed off and done with the world's BS he was about to break his own rule. But snyder didn't need to put batman killing to achieve this effect, just the marking of criminals, the way he fights and talk about crime was enough to make us realize that, and him rationalizing that superman wasn't a human just a monster was the perfect setup for the whole "but what if he is put in a situation where his rule is about to be broken?", that would make his reaction to superman calling his own mother martha more impactful because at that moment bruce on his haste to kill the threat and break his rule would make him turn into the very thing that he swore once to fight against, and the reaction upon realizing that being quite understandable, "wait, what the fuck you have a mother? and her name is martha?! what was i doing?!". That would made this version of batman my fav. Fuck i hate the many lost potentials with snyder's films

I liked the Ultimate Edition.

Zack wanted to call it Dawn of Justice but studio forced him to add Batman v Superman in front

@vanne-necashionofbread9095

Жыл бұрын

isnt that dumber

Jesse Eisenberg is probably the biggest miscasting in this whole film. Completely prevented me from enjoying the few good parts of the film. It's such a weird and bizarre portrayal so off the mark it would make a stormtrooper jealous.

It's WB's fault tbh The original plan was Man of Steel 2 with Braniac and possibly introducing supergirl as an explanation for the open pod for MOS But not good enough, WB wants to use the big names for more money

I'll be honest, I really like this movie. The visuals, the music, the cinematography with each frame looking like a painting, it's a real treat just from that viewpoint. Everything else is lackluster at best. I understand what Snyder's vision was, and on paper it's actually pretty good. But the execution is so poor. And most of the defences I've seen in favour of the Snyderverse feel like poor attempts at jumping the gun or overexplaining something like an English teacher, making sonething out of nothing.

That lex luther performance could have been in the remake of charlie and the chocolate factory and it would work seamlessly

the way batman was written in this movie was more like the way cadmus should be written

Yea, Aflleck's Bruce Wayne just run into falling building debris. And shows up as Bruce Wayne, not Batman trying to kill them all in his Bat?

Your Lex Luther rant made my day! Literal tears at Zoey Deschanel! Thank Zod the Snuder-verse is almost over. Please come through James Gunn! But since he called The Flash one of the best comic book movies ever, I'm a little worried.

@TheDukeofMadness

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that is Disney/D.C. trying to save it from being an unmitigated disaster. They are taking even the most lukewarm review as saying it's better than Endgame. Especially with the Super Donkey Wizard (or whatever he said) Ezra Miller being a less than stellar person.

@sertorrhenclegane

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheDukeofMadnessI think you mean Warner Bros/DC, Disney ain't got shit to do with that.

@power279

Жыл бұрын

hahaha..nice joke gunntards

@MrHootiedean

Жыл бұрын

@@power279 I am no James Gunn stan, in fact, he would be my last choice to direct a Superman movie but that's the splooge covered hand we've been dealt.

@Robin-ew8nz

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrHootiedeanwell gunn made superman a poop fetish thats a great start lol

They tried to crowbar so much into the movie. Introduction of Batman, the conflict between Batman and Superman, Wonder Woman, Doomsday battle and then... THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN. Like come on! lol DC wanted to very quickly match what Marvel was doing with the MCU and Thanos and took massive shortcuts that didn't work. Marvel built up their cinematic universe over 10+ years, DC wanted to do it right off the bat. So many missed opportunities. Everything felt so rushed

Every video is a BANGER! Popcorn alert, I've waited SO long for this.

Yeah, I have no idea what Snyder was thinking with his version of Lex Luthor. Eisenberg would have been better suited for Riddler or Mad Hatter. And having Batman brand people?! Who does Snyder think Batman is? A fucking cult leader?! Even The Punisher doesn’t do any of that shit!

The only good thing I can say about this movie is at least it's not Suicide Squad (2016)

Man of Steel (2013) 4 out of 5. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) 3 out of 5. Suicide Squad (2016) 2 out of 5. Wonder Woman (2017) 4 out of 5. Justice League (2017) 4 out of 5. Aquaman (2018) 4 out of 5. Shazam! (2019) 4 out of 5. Birds of Prey and The Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn (2020) 4 out of 5. WW84 (2020) 3 out of 5. The Suicide Squad (2021) 5 out of 5. Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) 5 out of 5. Black Adam (2022) 4 out of 5. Shazam! Fury of the Gods (2023) 4 out of 5. The Flash (2023) 3 out of 5.

Superman isn't an alien. He's a good kid from Kansas.

I hate how much of a murderer Batman has become and how Superman is portrayed as a god instead of a beacon of hope and has a charming personality with a complex character

I tried watching this so many times. I either fell asleep or was just completely lost; my Husband hates answering questions during a Movie but I had to ask! It’s so much going on. I thought there would be a Part 2; or it would Transition into something similar to the “Marvel Universe” I get it’s not Marvel but it seems so RUSHED none of the Movies together make any sense by the time Justice League comes!

@RashaadGenie

11 ай бұрын

It took me maybe 6 months to try to finish it.

Batman’s plan. Was to stab Superman to death. And no one in the writing room, no one on the production team, and no one on set said Batman can’t do this

Batman not killing is more of a modern character trait. The original Bob Kane/Bill Finger Batman often killed criminals. The 89 Batman is more in line with that version.

@Sathya_1996

10 ай бұрын

Batman's no-kill rule exists since 1940

What about Frank Miller's dark Knight. He uses a gun in several of frank miller's issues

@bigbearkat2010

Жыл бұрын

That's an elseworld story written by a guy that went out of his way to make Batman edgier to counteract the campy reputation he had at the time from stuff like the Adam West show and Superfriends

Dude the extended version broke records in blu ray sales and in made close to 900mil even tho it was removed 2weeks early 😂 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about

With the Batman not picking up a gun argument Keaton and bale had guns on their respective vehicles. A gun is a weapon and a tool. Almost like a sword. I believe if a character can overcome a tool that haunts and has impacted every aspect of his or hers life….. that’s character growth both forwards or backwards. The reason your superhero’s don’t use guns is because for a majority of the time…. These characters and media are for children and imagery of guns and using guns is akin to smoking. Or that’s how corporations see it. It’s a fantasy…. Zack Snyder never had Superman hold or use a gun because there’s no story or purpose…. But with Batman….. there’s something you could explore like comic artist did back then. Cough cough How a former robin became a mercenary known for using guns

@lightdarksoul2097

11 ай бұрын

I mean you see though every time we do see Bruce hold a gun in Justice League and in Batman Beyond that it just disgusts him to his core that he'd rather quit than have to use one that kind of reaction sticks with people

It was the beginning of the end they should've just done a Man of steel 2 or Ben Affleck solo Batman film and build him up but WB tried to rush and catch up to Marvel and now its dead.

I only saw the director's cut and still disliked it

@daustin8888

Ай бұрын

But the Snyder Bros swear that one was a masterpiece

I think Zack Snyder and the DC execs absolutely screwed up everything they possibly could have in this piece of garbage. Batman literally does the same thing as evil variants of Batman from the comics and is, for whatever reason, incredibly xenophobic. Superman gets no development, and nothing he does warrants such extreme reactions from the public, because the stupid executives were trying to keep up with Marvel and included an 18 month time jump. Wonder Woman, Doomsday, and especially the Justice League feel super forced into this already overcrowded movie. Lex Luthor is pathetic and awkward and unlike Affleck and Cavill, who are trying their best to act well in their badly written roles, Jesse Eisenberg is truly awful in the role, or at least horribly miscast. This is a terrible movie.

Reason why this movie failed, it should’ve been man of steel 2 but Zack Snyder was rushing to justice league, he didn’t care what fans were saying.

Batman vs Superman was clearly and unfortunately rushed like crazy. DC was so concerned with Marvel doing Ironman vs Captain America in Civil War. Imagine a world where Ironman vs Captain America was the much better film and made more money then Batman vs Superman. DC took two of the most popular characters of all time and made them a boring movie. It was brutal.

Movies aren't written for soley comic book obsessed readers. As if there has ONLY been one version of the character in all the comics in the many decades.

@BaithNa

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't justify fundamentally getting the characters wrong and disrespecting their 80 year history.

@stevebragg4256

Жыл бұрын

@@BaithNa the 80 year history disrespects itself.

@lonewander6772

Жыл бұрын

​@@BaithNa History dictates there have been many interpretations of the characters depending on the writer. The movies is just another medium for another interpretation by another writer.

Dude, Batman has been killing & using guns since he first appeared in comics. To pretend people who accept that “don’t understand the character” is just silly. The source material matters.

3:30 "You have next to no understanding for this character. Batman would never pick up and utilize the same weapon that tragically took the lives of his parents and forever traumatized him." Clearly you never read the ORIGINAL comics from the 1930s and 1940s where Batman DID kill AND used guns. Bob Kane and Bill Finger co-created him and while Bill Finger wanted him to be a hero, Kane made him a vigilante like The Phantom. The only reason he stopped using guns and killing was because of the Comics Code Authority. Personally, I wanna see a 1930s period-piece Batman film where he starts off killing but his arc is him becoming more heroic and less vigilante.

Yea i really forgot they fumbled the bag on this one.

9:29 The moment I unexpectedly laughed my ass off

6:23 Alfred: That’s not how math works. 😂😂😂

I could never see a Legion Of Doom behind a short Lex Luthor like Jesse's lol.

The extended cut was better Movie Needed a faster pace . More action scenes Two more fight scenes between Batman and Superman. One wear Batman isn’t prepared similar to justice leagie war Bizzaro should have been the villain. Lex should have been more of a force.

This is the most comic accurate Batman going through ptsd and Superman fighting with his humanity and being an alien. Also the rush to this movie was the problem with WB trying to play catch up with marvel. But if you like DC and understand the story of the movie, you know what's going on.

I personally wasn't disappointed in this movie, after that POS movie Man of Steel and the trailer looked horrible so I had extremely low expectations and it was just as horrible as I thought it would be.

Jessie eisenberg is a terrible lex

ive been saying this for ages: jesse eisenberg killed it as the riddler. too bad he was supposed to be lex luthor

Imagine a Batman movie where he accidentally kills someone cause he used a bit to much force or you know accidents happen then has to deal with the self inflicted trauma that he just broke his own rule. That could be a cool take maybe but just throwing a gun into Bruce's hand and saying "he lost his way" is just anticlimactic. Plenty of different ways to kill without using a gun. If you want to tell a story of Batman "losing his way" which I already think would fail tbh. At the very least do it subtly and more realistically lol who knows maybe it could be done well. But this way is just shit we don't see the transition the believe.