Not only did Wonder Woman not act on those real life events listed, she was unmoved by umpteen years of Batman, Joker, Croc etc. But also a whole bunch of aliens landing and trying to terraform the Planet!

@DrewLSsix

6 жыл бұрын

Mark Stirton. To be fair, that is an inherent issue with the superhero combined universes within comics as well. Why the heroes dont team up to solve their local problems in detail ultimately making a huge difference in overall crime and catastrophe would be a mystery in the real world. Why shouldnt wonderwoman and superman lend their tallents to Bruce and clean up all of Gotham over a long weekend so they can then count on his considerable resources to assist them in their areas of interest? Theres absolutely no reason for Batman to take on the Jokers latest scheme alone.

@markstirton

6 жыл бұрын

DrewLSsix That's true. The hey, call Ironman, problem.

@ThePa1riot

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, while that issue does go uncommented on a lot of times, just as often they will give an explanation or extenuating circumstances make one unnecessary. Just recently I was reading Thor's "god butcher" arc. Where Iron Man makes a brief cameo helping Thor find a specific location in Russia. He offers to help Thor going forward but Thor turns him down saying it's no business for mortals. It's not just empty words, there are VERY good reasons Thor's taking this one solo but that would be spoiling. Even in the MCU, at least for the Avengers there's usually a reason for it. In Winter Soldier Cap is on the run and any attempts to contact anybody would get traced by SHIELD. In Iron Man 3 Tony is sans armor for most of the film so likewise can't just fly to D.C. to get Cap. In Thor: the Dark World, the threat of the Aether is contained within Jane and by the time Malekith makes his move, he's bouncing around to multiple worlds. You can call them handwaves but they are present.

@QwertyCaesar

6 жыл бұрын

There is also a joke in Ant-Man about it where Jason Lang, after being told about the villain's plan, says, "okay, I think that we should call the Avengers." Its basically handwaved by saying that there's some things that a superhero team can't do and that they may be preoccupied elsewhere.

@flatebo1

6 жыл бұрын

And, in fact, they do seem to be preoccupied elsewhere as only Falcon is hanging around Avengers HQ when Lang breaks in.

I think people see the original Harry Potter series as...a series and not a continuity-driven cinematic universe. They're a little different. At least they were until all this Fantastic Beasts stuff started happening >.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with that.

@chwenhoou

5 жыл бұрын

Can I sum up Fantastic Beasts in one word? No. Can I sum it up in a sound? *emits a low zombie-like moan while rolling my eyes*

@mikehogan5824

5 жыл бұрын

If your feeble mind needs to do that ...ok for you

@WyattoonsComics

5 жыл бұрын

I think he means serialized storytelling in general, though. That includes a series since it means watching more than one film to get a complete story. It’s a complaint that’s been around even before the cinematic universe boom. “Everything’s a sequel now”. (At least that’s what I think he meant)

@Alknix

4 жыл бұрын

@@WyattoonsComics But at least HP was honest with it. There was a set number of consequent books, and an (almost) set number of correspondent movies, you knew from the start what you were getting into, there were no tie-ins, no separate movies or TV shows you "feel like you need to watch". Sure, you needed to actually read the books to understand what the fuck was going on, but that's just because the movies sucked, not because of the serialized format.

What is really the most galling about WB's failure to make a shared universe is they made one with the animated series! THEY HAD THE RECIPE BOOK AND TOSSED IT!!!!

@BATCHARRO

6 жыл бұрын

Their BvS was also better.

@richarduberton4489

6 жыл бұрын

I literally just made a comment about that and went to check if anyone agreed. They had a really great template and instead ignored everything that worked in the show in favor of this. They didn't even use a similar lineup, in the marketing for JL they only used 2 of the 7 heroes from the show, and usually just with their logos. It's surprising that they at least didn't market it with callbacks to the show

@Alknix

6 жыл бұрын

+Batzarro And their Suicide Squad. But what can you expect? They're clearly ashamed of their characters' childish origins so much they had to reimagine them as cynics, aloof jerks or psychopaths, I bet they see their animated universe as some juvenile distraction from their true calling of making "mature" superhero movies, when "mature superhero movie" is an oxymoron.

@michaelkemel9711

6 жыл бұрын

It weirdly reminds me of the Silent Hill series. Konami (the company that published the games) never seemed to have much respect for the games in spite of their success. The team that made the best-loved early games, Team Silent, was really a team of outcast developers the higher ups didn't know what to do with. Later, after breaking up the Team, Konami farmed out the property to different studios, merely wanting to cash in on the name recognition. Naturally, these games had little love behind them and weren't received as well. As seemingly the last nail in the coffin, when Hideo Kojima, the last big creative head at Konami, wanted to team up with Guillermo del Toro to make a new Silent Hill with a hugely popular teaser, Konami had a falling out with him and shit-canned the whole project. It's just a reminder that most executives with substantial control haven't a clue about the affection people have for their products, much less a fundamental understanding of them. They're just businessmen.

@sdgdhpmbp

6 жыл бұрын

World Finest. Probably a fitting name these days, and even then it's not perfect.

I've always said Marvel celebrates their characters and WB is ashamed of theirs. Growing up, the only character as corny as Superman was Captain America. Snyder de-saturated Superman because at heart he thinks he's a shitty character. The MCU is a giant love letter to Captain America. And he is exactly as he was in the comics, bright red, white and blue.

@KTGetc

6 жыл бұрын

Joel Henry Absolutely. They find the heart of their pantheon's morals and beliefs embarrassing. And I legitimately believe that the only way to save Batman now is with Robin, but they're too cowardly and ashamed to do it. The kicker is, these "light" characters have way more actual dark pathos than their angsty counterparts. Superman: Birthright or Robin: Year One prove that.

@purewasted4424

6 жыл бұрын

"I've always said Marvel celebrates their characters and WB is ashamed of theirs." That's a bit of an oversimplification. You could see Thor/Ragnarok as a celebration of Thor, but you could also see it as Marvel understanding that he just doesn't work as a serious fantasy character today. First they sci-fied him, then they went straight comedy. Marvel also doesn't have any Hulk solo films planned anymore, because they understand that Hulk solo films don't work. If one were so inclined, one could read both these moves as "shame" on Marvel's part. But I think it's just savvy understanding of 1) their heroes, 2) film vs comics, and 3) 2017 culture. I don't think The Dark Knight films for example are any more ashamed of Batman than Marvel is of Thor/Hulk, they just both understand those 3 key points. Most DC directors/producers don't.

@rebeccatrishel

6 жыл бұрын

pureWasted Hulk doesn't have solo films because Marvel doesn't own the distribution rights to the character.

@irrespondible

6 жыл бұрын

pureWasted Actually, this is stranger: Marvel HAS TO celebrate them, DC has more freedom with theirs. The MCU limits how the characters evolve, they need to be closer to the comics to get fans into the most obscure of their characters. That's why they made a Hulk movie despite they had no rights of distribution, why Thor was the last hero on getting a movie and why Hawkeye and Black Widow got to not have movie on until later. DC doesn't have that problem... and that's the problem.

@kira-dk2mx

5 жыл бұрын

So it's like Marvel is restrained a bit while DC has too much freedom?

BvsS ...retitled "Waiting for Gadot"

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

Dave Gallo I see what you did there... and I laughed my ass off.

@andrewsannar5328

5 жыл бұрын

That's some high-brow humor, my friend. Hats off to you.

@henryisthere

4 жыл бұрын

Absurd 🤣😂

Wait a minute, WB had a planned JL film directed by GEORGE FUCKING MILLER and they didn't make it happen?! What the shit? Talk about a horribly wasted opportunity.

@BATCHARRO

6 жыл бұрын

Fans hated the idea because he'd just made Happy Feet and everyone said the script sucked. You know, kinda how Snyder made Man of Steel exactly like Guardians: Owls of G'a Hoole(i meant to write that good but don't know if I did) I

@BATCHARRO

6 жыл бұрын

But yeah, the plot was from the then recent comic where Batman was spying the shit out of everybody and finding their weaknesses, when a villain exploited that to his own ends. And I did spend far too much time in the Internet arguing with people about that doomed project, but I think someone made a documentary?

@manifesto_mindset

6 жыл бұрын

Jimbo Rock It's a pretty solid meme, you can find the script online. It's still a bit dated, but with a few touch ups I think it could've been a pretty good movie.

@danieloregan7567

6 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly when he mentioned that part

@SuCKeRPunCH187

3 жыл бұрын

wasn't nolan still doing his trilogy at the same time?

Can we all take a break from whatever disagreements and/or e-screaming folks need to do in order to appreciate what is truly one of the top 5 "nerd jokes" I've ever seen in my entire life? "I don't care of Geoff Johns & Grant Morrison themselves collaboratively penned a stirring flashback monologue into the GREEN LANTERN CORPS movie wherein Tomar-Re reveals the shocking truth that "Granny's Peach Tea" was actually concentrated essence of the Parallax Entity deliberately manifested into the Superman Hearing by Sinestro under the influence of Nekron in order to create the level of fear and mistrust necessary to ensure Superman was distracted from preventing the deaths of Mercy Graves, Wallace Keefe, and Judith Finch because the specific condition of their respective life energies fated them as ideal candidates to become the first Black Lanterns... it's still a stupid moment that sticks out and mutilates audience engagement with the narrative flow of the movie that it's actually in." 03:13 That... that is just beautiful, folks.

@dylansmith5206

4 жыл бұрын

If all of that actually happens in a Green Lantern DCEU film reboot. I'm finding out where Bob lives. And beating the shit out of him with an aluminum baseball bat.

@ecliptorcalrissian5014

4 жыл бұрын

That is beautiful... and I really, really wanna see that movie.

@chavesa5

4 жыл бұрын

It's always good to prove your bonafides in something like this.

@ethanjannes7587

4 жыл бұрын

Aaron Warren No I will never take a break, and you can thank the genius psycho-architect movie bob-engineer Zack Snyder for bringing you this “joke”. Zack Snyder fed this “interpretation” to Bob “subliminally”.

@thinhvo3893

3 жыл бұрын

@DabonJannies I dont know if this is true or not nor do I really care. However why do you feel the need to bring the man lives up?

If they really wanted the whole "Batman, but suddenly darker" thing, I would have had people in Gotham actively refusing to believe that Batman's doing this. Like genuinely angry at the idea that their protector and guardian has suddenly started killing or getting people killed. "Batman saved my family during a bank robbery, he wouldn't do this!" Or "The guy spent two hours talking me out of jumping off a bridge, convinced me to quit drinking. Someone like that, you expect me to believe is a killer?"

@Flowtail

5 жыл бұрын

**sigh** now all we can do is sadly contemplate what shall never be

@mattgilbert7347

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the idea is that this was a gradual descent into murder, bitterness, rage etc - a descent into nihilism. The Gothamites would have become used to Batsy's antics by the time Supes arrived. I think BvS is defensible. It's not a great film, not even a good film, but it isn't as bad as most would have us believe. Twin Perfect has a 3-part series on why we got this film wrong.

@henrychinaski5938

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattgilbert7347 imma check it out and if he's full of shit I'm going to find you .

@SCF721

4 жыл бұрын

OR just not have him kill in the first place but keep the branding. The branding already represents the fall into madness and could call into question how exactly is he that much better than criminals when he's treating them like animals. He could lean on the fact that he doesn't kill but all the other shit blurs the line. THEN when he realizes the true threat that Superman could potentially pose if he went rogue Batman decides that he must break that rule for the good of the earth in his mind, which would further solidify his fall from grace as that would be the doorway to him crossing that line and never coming back...

@austinleach1307

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattgilbert7347 I tried, but I just can't. It REEKS of honestly the same attitude that Bob trashes in this exact video. "You don't like it cause you just don't get it." No, I got it, I just don't like it.

When I first heard that Jesse Eisenberg was going to play Lex Luthor I was like: "What?", but after thinking about it I was like: "Okay I've liked him in other stuff, so maybe he'll be good here." Having now seen his portrayal of his character I have two questions: 1. How is this Lex Luthor? 2. What the hell even is this performance?

@BlackCanary87

4 ай бұрын

I think they hired him based on The Social Network and then gave him zero direction other than the script.

0:00 - Prologue 4:58 - How Did We Get Here? 15:10 - I Have Questions 37:25 - Three Strikes 38:07 - Metahumans Revealed 44:50 - “Save Martha!” 52:17 - The Knightmare 1:02:51 - Unforced Errors 1:03:42 - Kahina Ziri 1:09:08 - The “Arkham Fight” 1:14:43 - No spoilers… 1:17:10 - Zero Hour

@allowableman2

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@paytontarver9723

6 жыл бұрын

'Welcome. (:

"Are we emphasizing his youthfulness versus the two older good guys." That's funny, considering Eisenberg is actually older than Cavill.

@75aces97

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, where'd you see that? According to IMDB Cavill is about 5 months older. It's not a significant difference, I don't think, but still.

@florinivan6907

3 жыл бұрын

@@75aces97 True but in the popular mind a guy acting goofy with long hair is by default assumed young.While a guy in a suit being all serious is assumed older.

@75aces97

3 жыл бұрын

@@florinivan6907 Okay. I guess some of the visual shorthand misses me. Maybe as an adolescent I would have made such a mental association, but I just don't anymore. Too much real life experience has made me reevaluate a few things.

@nebularain3338

3 жыл бұрын

He's referring to the characters, not the actors.

@adamdavis1648

22 күн бұрын

​@@nebularain3338 People tend to assume that characters are meant to be the same age as the actors playing them unless they're playing a non-human who's centuries old.

Man, the way you described the Save Martha scene around 45:00 gave me fucking chills. If only it was half that good.

@KeenKreen

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, although hearing what it could have been makes me even more depressed by the final result.

@steampunker7

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah. That's the part that hurts the most. There were indeed good seeds of ideas, scenes and exchanges and plot points that could have worked, SHOULD have worked if someone had just stopped a moment and said "You know, maybe we should think this through a little more." Instead I have this image of Snyder, bouncing around like a kid hopped up on Cocoa Puffs going "OMGOMGOMG! Let's do this because it would so @#&%ing coooooool!"

@josephowczarek5343

6 жыл бұрын

It IS that good. I feel like I can see Batfleck's thoughts as he reacts to the clever namedrop. It's an amazing piece of acting and writing.

Marvel was faithful to the SPIRIT of the comics, not just the surface details.

@TOKAGERO1

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, remember Tony Stark creating Ultron in the comics? remember Tony Stark creating the Spider-man suit in the comics? Remember Tony Stark basically giving the ''with great power...'' speech to Peter in the comics? Remember Drax laughing like an idiot every 5 seconds and not having fight scenes in the comics? That comedic take on Ragnarok and Planet Hulk! I remember people praising those two stories when they were printed because of the HUMOR and JOKES! So many good jokes in the original Raganarok storyline! Specially near the end! And Planet Hulk, more like Planet FUN!

@ObsdnBlck

6 жыл бұрын

NONE of those have anything to do with the SPIRIT of the comics. All of those things you mentioned are the SURFACE details, & have NOTHING to do with WHY the comics stories work. The Marvel movies change things when needed, but they don't do so arbritrarily. Captain America in the movies IS Captain America, regardless of what he wears. MCU Spider-Man IS Spider-Man in feel, attitude & personality, regardless of where he got his suit. The core of what makes the MCU work is that the people who make the movies, both in front of & behind the camera, respect & appreciate the source material they are working from. They understand that the stories have worked for decades, & try to stay true to the spirit of those stories. That doesn't mean that they will never change anything. Avengers is not a 100% faithful, 1 to 1 translation of comics to screen. They changed some things to work better in the movies. But, Avengers is still one of the most accurate comic book movies ever made, because it captures the SPIRIT of the comics it was based off of perfectly.

@TOKAGERO1

6 жыл бұрын

Again, explain to me how turning Ragnarok into a comedy is ''faithfull to the spirit of the comics''?

@TOKAGERO1

6 жыл бұрын

And no, turning that shit into a comedy is not respecting the source material at all, fuck you too

@trekjudas

6 жыл бұрын

Dude take a chill pill. Batman v Superman was a bad movie, except it.

Gee, and having Lex come at them with the War Suit would make it fit more that Cyborg is in the file, since that would mean he took the idea from Cyborg's experiments and used his smarts and money to make it strong enough to rival Superman. But no, you do your Lex Zuckerberg and see how that pans out.

@L1701

9 ай бұрын

…why is everyone else coming up with better ideas for this movie than the people who made it?!

The "I don't care, he killed my mum." is so freaking heavy, I almost cheered... I didn't though because I was really sad.

@Braktooth

5 жыл бұрын

That was the part about Civil War that really bugged me. Tony's had his head played with, in Age of Ultron. I didn't think he'd blame Bucky, but really go after Hydra instead. It's like he blamed the gun but not the guy pulling the trigger.

@sorryifoldcomment8596

4 жыл бұрын

@@Braktooth he totally did blame the gun. God it triggers me so bad when people defend Tony (morally) that I'm seriously replying to this a year late, lol. How can people support punishing Bucky...when it literally wasn't even him tho? Dude has had it the roughest of all the main MCU cast, I swear. I don't think Tony was in the moral right. To their absolute credit, however, I do feel that the Russo brothers recognized that it was a lot and took the task of convincing the audience that Tony would actually try to kill Bucky (and Steve in the process) very seriously. They made sure it took the least amount of thought and decision on Tony's part and built it up as a crime of passion. I mean, it literally was in a split second. I think if Tony had found out separately and had to take time and effort to find and pursue his evil revenge it would be a LOT harder to swallow. Throughout the entire film, the Russo's also built up Tony's emotional instability. And then they had him not only learn the truth, but visually watch the murder of his parents. Immediately followed by the second punch that Steve had known all along and betrayed him. They also did not enter this situation as the best of friends nor on solid ground. I see the entire movie one long dominos line up the Russo's painstakingly set up one by one. While they made sure Tony switched sides when he learned the truth to keep him sympathetic, that doesn't negate the fact that the whole movie his view of Bucky is an evil murdering psychopath. They made sure to show Tony experiencing Bucky basically killing him as well...as Bucky tried to shoot him in the fucking face (well, chest) lol and we are shown Tony's reaction to that, front and center. The knowledge that he could have been killed in that moment looks like it seriously shocks him and in a ridiculously fast action scene, the camera comes to a halt and freezes on that image. They also made sure that Tony never learned the full backstory of Bucky. The details of him being brainwashed/hijacked/brain in a blender. So when it came time for it to be convenient to see Bucky as just an evil dude, Tony had lots of material to fall back on. And again, he had gone through a lot. They showed the strain on his mental and emotional health and his physical health. This pushed him over the edge and I believe the Russo brothers really respected that that is something you have to earn. It's not enough to just throw in a dead mom discovery and "oh now that's the justification for everything." it's not a free pass like other writers will use, like a cheap trick, to get them through the plot. However...then when other people treat it like a free pass...I get a little triggered by all the victim blaming lol. I just want to yell "have any of you even SEEN The Winter Soldier??!" how can you come out of that movie after witnessing how exactly they engineered (and tortured) Bucky to turn him into a weapon and not be on Cap's side? He got taken prisoner and tortured for 70 years, finally escaped only to become a prisoner again for shit he did out of his control. Totally sucks. His existence is a nightmare, in real life I would be very concerned he would kill himself as I probably would. He has a free suicide pass lol if at any time he killed himself I wouldn't question it. There is no logical benefit to punishing him when the person you are punishing would never do the things you are punishing them for. [only potential imprisonment would be for everyone's safety as Bucky is happy to do for Christ's sake]. Then all these assholes think Bucky deserves all of it, argue Cap is being unreasonable, and defend Tony's actions... which are only defensible as a crime of passion. I cannot conceive that any of these defenders actually watched all three Captain America movies and actually, idk, paid attention? At all?? I think it's just Robert Downey Jr. being hot/cool lol. OK I'm done there's my love letter to the Russo brothers and the Captain America trilogy lol. I may have seen these movies a feewww too many times. It does bother me that Tony goes after him but that's part of the movie for me it's just a fact Tony is a total dick by the end lol hashtag cap team fo life. I don't feel Tony is portrayed as in the right so it doesn't bother me. I don't know how the Russo brothers even could have (portrayed Tony as in the moral right) after they made The Winter Soldier! If I was a huge Iron Man fan I would be veeeery uncomfortable. Damn it I edited my comment just to rant more.

NAILED IT. I say this in every dumb online discussion that I allow myself to get into (for my sins). Snyder apologists yell at ME for "being a Marvel fanboy" but the truth is, I love the DC characters and I wish they were getting good movies. But it's exactly correct that until Marvel came along, 98% of what we were getting in this genre were being brought to us by people who were trying to make the characters "more cool" in complete blind defiance of the fact that there is a REASON they have endured for decades (HINT: It is because they are [mostly] already pretty cool).

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

James Callaghan and even the ones that aren't cool are fun or interesting in their own right.

@Zaprozhan

5 жыл бұрын

Hell, the DC Animated Universe will occasionally rehabilitate some more cheesy characters, like Sports Master in Young Justice, Samurai, Apache Chief, the Wonder Twins, and Black Lightning.

When my wife and I hate-watched this, and we got to the Knightmare and Batman wearing a Duster picked up an SMG and started spraying fire in a circle around him and *actually gunning people down* my wife was in hysterics with laughter and I was simply staring at the screen in absolute dumbfounded shock. Like. This is Homer Simpson getting stung and going "They're defending themselves somehow!" dumb. If you ask people to list three things about Batman, almost every one will say, "hates guns." And. Yet. What.

@johnhooyer3101

6 жыл бұрын

The only thing good out of that scene was that I got to see Batman in a duster jacket. It genuinely looked cool. Too bad it made no sense.

@michaelhuffin856

6 жыл бұрын

you do know Batman has used guns in the comics right? and youbare upset becah use Batman is using guns in a world that was destroyed by Darkside? pick up a comic. were you dumbfounded when Batman tried to gun down Joker in Batman 1989? hmm? i don't think so.

@johnhooyer3101

6 жыл бұрын

+ Michael Huffin -- The point is that those moments are earned. Otherwise, Batman avoiding guns is the norm, and is firmly establishes first. Batman using guns in the comics is still ultimately incredibly rare.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Huffin I would like for you to name five distinctive main timeline Batman stories from the last 40 years that aren't Elseworlds stories where Batman uses a gun for lethal effect. I'm actually quite curious about that because I'm having a hard time thinking of any.

@kaulenfuhs1630

5 жыл бұрын

@@pittland44 very clever of you to limit it to the last 40 years as a way to set the goalposts in a way that makes you correct by your standards, and definitively wrong by others

55:25 Damn, now I just wanna go watch Captain America: Civil War again.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

It was a far, far better movie than BVS.

@justinh4576

6 жыл бұрын

Phantom9252 it’s basically the better version of bvs

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

You see that in Hollywood a lot. You have two movies come out that are very similar in terms of story and plot, but one goes over and the other one doesn't. The big example I can think of is "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact" which were very similar but Armageddon went over with audiences way better than Deep Impact did. There are other examples such as "The Prestige" and "The Illusionist" and "White House Down" and "Olympus has Fallen." In 2016 we had Captain America: Civil War and Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (which still sounds like a supreme court case to me) and Civil War was one of the biggest movies of the year and BVS wasn't and caused a lot of fan backlash.

Improving save Martha: “There’s a hostage.” *Batman just barely hesitates* “Luthor has her. Her name is Martha Kent. Kill me, but at least save her.”

@phunnyfillip

6 жыл бұрын

Sharles Davis Kendy That's good but I actually like the idea of Lois throwing herself in front of the harpoon and the image of Clark and Lois staring down the spear instantly reminds Bruce of his parents staring down Joe Chill's gun right before he pulled the trigger. It shows Bruce exactly how far he's fallen and takes advantage of the medium to remove the need for clunky dialogue entirely.

@samuelsurfboard9887

6 жыл бұрын

I love it at least it's better than save Martha

@phoenixrising7777

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Morgan I agree especially if you slow it down and play the music from the Kent murder over it.

@blakejordan3978

6 жыл бұрын

The Martha Moment was dead on arrival, no matter how well it could have been written.

@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick

5 жыл бұрын

Sharles Davis Kendy Hell, even if he just broke down and said “He’s gonna kill my mom!” that would be humanizing and pathetic enough for Batman to realize that he may have misjudged Superman’s capacity for human companionship. Not to mention all the stuff about achieving some sort of closure about the death of his mother.

Does knowing that Zach Snyder is a fan of Ayn Rand help understand the decisions made in this movie? It helps me

@davidrigdonrigdon4848

4 жыл бұрын

Oh Yeah It Does

@cognitivedissonance8406

4 жыл бұрын

Support human extinction Do the right thing End the human disease

@AbstractTraitorHero

4 жыл бұрын

Holy shit. That explains everything.

@TheDarthbinky

4 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if a man who basically believes altruism is a sin can't make a decent movie about a man who is the living embodiment of altruism...

@cognitivedissonance8406

4 жыл бұрын

Support human extinction Do the right thing End the human disease

you know what i find funny? the lego batman movie did a better job of deconstructing batman than batman v superman.

@galactic85

5 жыл бұрын

@Brandon Kman Did you watch part one of this series? because one of Movie Bob's arguments is that the version of Batman portrayed in this movie really doesn't have more depth. The version in BvS is defined by what he ISN'T. He's defined by NOT being like any of the other versions of Batman we see previously. There isn't actually much to the version they create on screen in terms of "depth." Also if we are going by what is "comic accurate" what comic/comics are we using as a litmus test? Batman: Year One where we have a specific scene of him fighting to save the life of someone he accidentally knocks off a fire escape even though he is getting beaten in the head repeatedly? The Batman from John Byrne's original Man of Steel series who doesn't try to hunt down and murder Superman and actually seems to respect him when they first meet? The version from "Under the Red Hood" who tells Jason Todd that he will never kill? The version from Grant Morrison's JLA run who has a secret "sci-fi closet?" I suppose you could say "The version from the dark knight returns!" but even then while you can see elements of that comic influence they stage certain scenes...there really isn't much connecting the version of Batman we see in the film to the one we see in the comic aside from the fact that both are old and are coming out of retirement.

@dylansmith5206

4 жыл бұрын

@laz karOh yeah. That's right. Batman is a gigantic asshole in the comics. Not helped by the fact that he keeps taking his enemies (Super Violent sociopath's who are actually super intelligent) to easily escapable prison's with shitty security and poorly trained prison guards. And by doing. Batman mainly killed more people and fucked up more lives as opposed to improve more lives (In the comics). Remind me again as to why everyone loves Batman to a point where DC and W.B kisses his ass and sucks his bat dick like he's The Holy Messiah of the DC Universe???

The Justice League theme at the beginning was an awesome touch... God, that brings back memories...

@otakon17

6 жыл бұрын

Alexandru Sandulache Man that was a great series.

@mutalemwananshiku4098

6 жыл бұрын

Alexandru Sandulache i wish they played that theme in the justice league film or maybe had a score that sounded similar to the animated series intro. Would have been better than just have having the batman 89 and superman theme play for a few seconds.

@WTFisTingispingis

6 жыл бұрын

Alexandru Sandulache God, I want to stream ALL the DCAU now.

@JanetStarChild

6 жыл бұрын

BARK-BARK-WOOF-WOOF-YIPE-YIPE!

Instead of the whole "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!!" business, Supes could have just said "Save my mom!" Mommy issues raised, Batman humanity saved, etc.

@VictorBalestrin

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I could see Batman assuming Superman was talking about more kryptonians hiding on Earth and not give two shits about it. My suggestion would fall along the same lines as Bob's: first, change the flashback to Bruce's parents' death. Instead of having Jeffrey Dean Morgan clench his fist and try to fight Joe Chill (why did that even happen?), have Chill knock Thomas to the ground, hold him at gun point and then Martha throws herself between the two, getting shot in the process. When you get to the fight, later on, have Lois Lane throw herself between the two and defend Superman, stage it like in the flashback, throw in a literal flash of the previous scene for full effect, and have Batman get to the same conclusion more organically.

@jtcob8486

4 жыл бұрын

@@VictorBalestrin you won the internet.

I remember watching BvS in the theater and when "Save Martha!" came up, my 2st two thoughts were "Well, that's a stupid way to resolve this." and "What cornfed Midwestern boy calls his mom by her 1st name?" I had SO MANY issues with this movie, but about the reasons for Superman to fight Batman: 1. It should have been about their differing ideologies....and they should have had differing ideologies. It should have been about Batman losing control of his anger and the delicate balance of his mind. (I've always thought Bruce Wayne was just as crazy as the Joker, he focused his insanity towards stopping criminals and trying to prevent others from suffering the same tragedy he did. His crumbling mental state should have been featured.

"Another stereotyped tech sector caricature conflating potentially neuroatypical mannerisms with sociopathic supervillainy." Damn Bob, I wasn't expecting to hear an criticism against the film from a neurodiversity lens. This is why I love your videos, they're always really, really well thought out and talk about issues that most others don't get into. Talk about an underrated KZreadr.

@theMoporter

2 жыл бұрын

Not that I don't agree, but sociopath is - in itself - a neurodiversity, and they're not exactly privileged themselves, with a higher chance of substance abuse and jail time. (Saying this as an autistic who is literally the opposite of sociopathic)

Ok, the batman fight redone with 60’s music and “thwacks” was a work of art. I lol’d delightedly, thank you Bob.

THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE KGBEAST?

@manifesto_mindset

6 жыл бұрын

Brett Hanna Yes. Ironically tho, the guy who created KGBeast claims he got more royalty money from BvS than all of his characters showing up in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies

I'm glad you mentioned Guardians of the Galaxy because even 4 years later I still can't believe Marvel had the vibranium-plated balls to put one of my favorite characters, Rocket Raccoon, into one of their multi-million dollar blockbuster movies (not just once but 3 TIMES NOW) and do him WELL. If nothing else shows that marvel's not ashamed of their characters while DC is, it's him.

@sorryifoldcomment8596

4 жыл бұрын

It still shocks me how good his CGI is. It sounds cliche, but they seriously did such a good job with his design and environmental incorporation, that I legitimately forget I'm watching CGI.

@ShinGallon

4 жыл бұрын

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 Part of it is the fantastic CGI, part of it is Bradley Cooper's amazing voice acting for him.

I tried. Everybody knows.

In terms of comparisons to Marvel I think Luther’s plan should have been closer to Killian in Iron Man 3. Killian saw that super Humans were the new normal and set out to make a super villain and use his corporate interests to empower super villainy. Luther doesn’t.

There's an old adage in film writing - Coincidence is a great way to get a character into a problem, and a lazy way to get them out. Martha is the mother of all coincidences. It undercuts what little theming and dramatic tension had been built, and cheats the audience out of any real payoff.

Bob, regarding the "Martha" source--watch an interview with Snyder regarding most of these movies. That clumsy, faux cleverness reeks of him. I'm talking interviews where he talks about how Batman kills people "left and right" in the Dark Knight Returns (actual murders by Batman: zero), or how running people over doesn't count as killing (it's "indirect", so...somehow that doesn't count as murder. Somehow.), how he thinks superheroes in costume talking to each other looks ridiculous (see: shame about making superhero movies), or, well, any of his work at adaptation...he doesn't really get characters, or how to insert trivia, concepts, ideas, or much of anything other than a visual style that may or may not be your cup of tea. "Heh, didja see that? Y'ain't gettin' that from a Marvel movie," and "These movies are superheroes for adults," comments feel like they pour not only from his fanbase, but from his own insipid commentary in interviews (and his films). It's visible in ham-fisted moments like the string of Martha Wayne's pearls inexplicably wrapping itself around Joe Chill's gun to achieve a pretentious image that looks absurd, but the film-maker seemingly can't recognize. In the ridiculously unnecessary lunge of Thomas Wayne to assert his masculinity before being shot (apparently incapable of understanding that one does not *have* to do this when threatened, and muddying the waters of *why* Chill shoots...). Batman being relentlessly murderous ("but it doesn't count!"). These comments around those murders, especially, also emphasize that the thematic elements you describe related to the "so far gone" completely went over the director's own head. It doesn't guarantee the sourcing of this or any other decision (realistically, it's unlikely that we can ever discern such things, what with the faultiness of human memory). But as someone who has hated every Zack Snyder movie I've seen since 2004 for effectively the same reasons (failure to comprehend source material, insistence on upping the ultraviolent, toxic masculinity factor of everything, presumably to make it "cooler" because of the way it is depicted, typically without regard for the plot, characters, concepts, themes, or anything short of the "neat moment" itself) this kind of thing is just more of the same. It's harsh, but the evidence, I think, supports it: Snyder is not a deep man, and has the same "Dude, so cool!!" attitude endemic of the most vocal, paranoid, conspiracy-seeking fans of these particular movies. (Maybe this is what Part 3 will cover, but your comments in Part 1 indicate, to me, an entirely forgiving attitude toward an extremely shallow filmmaker with a very unique visual style and little else)

@scaccu

3 жыл бұрын

"actual murders by Batman: zero" maybe in the animated version but in the actual graphic novel he shoots a guy in the head and in the end breaks Joker's neck.

@RikoZerame

3 жыл бұрын

@@scaccu I'm going to need to whip out my copy of TDKR for the first part, but he doesn't actually kill the Joker in either the movie or the graphic novel. He breaks it enough to incapacitate him, but can't bring himself to finish the job which Joker mocks him for since he'll get in trouble for what he's done anyway (and then proceeds to break his OWN neck the rest of the way to ensure Batman catches the cops' attention for "killing" the Joker).

@CarnageRulez469

3 жыл бұрын

@@RikoZerame Ironically in TDKR, Batman doesn’t kill anyone in that film/comic. Is he more brutal, yes. But he does not kill. That’s literally what made the fight with Joker so powerful cause we figured he may actually go pull the trigger after he comments about how he regrets letting all of those people die by letting Joker live. Hell, he doesn’t even use guns. He literally tells Robin and the Batman Loyalist gang that “guns are the weapons of the enemy”, on 2 separate occasions. Zack legit has no understanding of the shit he adapts, and it really shows.

@kdubbss0583

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarnageRulez469 so true, and yet the overzealous fanboys are ready to jump down your throat and call you a “hater” if you bring that up.

27:45 FUCKING YES Having Lex Luthor be an actual CHARACTER, rather than a random assortment of villainous stereotypes, would have helped this movie so much. And if you get that part right, having Lex get into power armor so he's simultaneously a foil for Batman and an inversion of Superman, all so they can get saved by Wonder Woman, would have been a finale actually worth watching!

"You're tearing me apart, Lisa!" -Batman, 2016

Geez, the DC animated movie universe kicks the live action DC universes ass. Hell, it laps it only to kick it's ass again before it's even gotten off the starting line.

@hawkzulu5671

6 жыл бұрын

'On your left'.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

HawkZulu I understood that reference.

@dylansmith5206

4 жыл бұрын

The Animated Version Of The Killing Joke tends to disagree with you (As that was super bad).

@glukolover

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylansmith5206 Ah well they can't all be winners. But try the new Justice League Dark: Apokolips War. It does what the live action universe wanted to do, but fell apart before they could get there. Overall I think the animated universe is more hits then misses.

They could have turned zod into bizarro

@vincentrather1010

6 жыл бұрын

dethtrain on paper that sounds amazing but “execution”.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

It couldn't have been any worse than anything they actually did.

@Metalisalearning77

5 жыл бұрын

"Us do opposite"

@cognitivedissonance8406

5 жыл бұрын

Nando v movie the bizarro solution

All Superman had to say was... S- "Please, please don't let them kill my mom..." B- "Your mom died before you even knew her name." S- "No... My mother's name is Martha Kent... And if you kill me, she will die Bruce... In the gutter... For nothing at all..."

@ECL28E

6 жыл бұрын

"WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO BEFORE?!"

@Flowtail

6 жыл бұрын

Scot Snelling That is utterly absurd. Superman wouldn't be able to finish his sentence, since Bruce would be so busy bawling after the word "Martha". Obviously.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

See that would have actually made perfect sense, fit both the scene and the characters, and would have helped advance the plot while also helping with the whole redemption arc that Batman is supposed to go through, which is exactly why Snyder & Goyer wouldn't do anything resembling that. I get the very distinct sense that Snyder actually doesn't like the idea of superheroes.

@blakejordan3978

6 жыл бұрын

There are millions of ways in which it could have been written better, but its academic. The Martha moment sucks. It is likely that other writers until now have thought of using the pointless coincidence of Bruce and Clark having mothers named Martha, and every time the guy suggesting it was mocked into silence.

@iwannabeyahtzee8056

5 жыл бұрын

Why aren't YOU writing for DC?! That's WAAAAY better!

Marvel even does the Knightmare scene better. In Age of Ultron, the vision Wanda forced on Tony shows him a terrible future where all of the people he cares about are dead and apparently by his own failure to do more. But that scene has weight, you see the characters that he sees as partners together in the establishing scene of the movie, without needing to see any of the films that came before it.

Is it weird that I won't watch BvS for 3 hours, but I'll totally watch Bob rip it apart for 4-5 hours?

@L1701

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Bob’s ripping this film apart is pretty entertaining.

Looking back, man does Jesse Eisenberg's conception of Lex make me uncomfortable. Partially because it's just so not Lex Luthor and also, as stated, it kind of conflates neurodivergence with creepiness and villainy. But also partially because it's apparently a dead-on accurate Max Landis impression, and that's a lot more unsettling today than a few years ago.

Marvel succeeds because they DONT make superhero movies...they make other movies where the protagonist just happens to be a superhero. Think about it. Avengers= sports film where coach has to gather star players for the big game. Tony scores the touchdown to win the game. Ant-man= heist film. Cap winter soldier=spy thriller, Homecoming=teenager coming of age romance. Gotg is space opera, ... see the pattern? They plan a good movie with good story and then make sure to throw in 3 superhero action scenes. How come dceu cant do that? Oh, and they GET THE CHARACTERS RIGHT!

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Another great example was Ragnarok, which they straight up played as an Indie buddie cop movie (and they got a director who's very familiar with that type of film in Taika Waititi) and the whole thing went off without a hitch. This is also why Marvel has been able to avoid quote "Superhero Fatigue" because all of their movies are different and you never know what to expect. A great example of this is the massive success of such films and the two Guardians of the Galaxy movies and Black Panther, which were radically different than anything else they had done. Hell, Infinity War was an extreme departure that followed the main villain more than any other character, and probably had to because there were too many other characters to actually execute the film any other way. Marvel hasn't had any type of fan burnout because they've continuously tried to up their game and keep bringing in new characters, tell new stories and continue to give us (the fans) something new each time we see their movies, all while doing their damnedest to write, cast and develop characters that we love and want to follow. Unfortunately if Marvel is the case study in how to do this right (and so far they're really the only ones who've been able to pull this off successfully) then DC is the example of what not to do. The problem with this type of analysis is there isn't a single answer to unlock or explain the failure of the DCEU. The reason is as Bob points out it's not one big thing but rather multiple small items in succession that created a domino effect which ultimately led to the failure of Justice League as a film. The biggest problem that I can honestly point to is two sided, but they're ultimately connected. WB hasn't had a good idea of what to do with the DC characters since The Dark Knight. Dark Knight Rises was okay, but it clearly had problems and fell a little flat. They also don't have anyone in charge with a centralized plan or vision. Now, do they have to have everything 100% figured out off the bat? No, but even having a generalized idea of what to do would have been extremely helpful. It honestly seems like there isn't really anyone in charge at WB with this stuff and that seems to be a major part of the failure. The problem is that they've burned a lot of fans and a lot of people are now actively avoiding them. We'll see what Aquaman and Shazam and WW2 come up with, but at this point I doubt we'll see Flash, The Batman, Cyborg, Man of Steel 2 or a Justice League 2 anytime soon.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

tamzgaming I notice that you don't have anything resembling a coherent thought there, much less an actual argument.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

tamzgaming I notice that Kyle never actually said that Marvel is perfect (there are some glaring plot holes in Incredible Hulk and Spiderman Homecoming) but that wasn't the argument either. The argument was that Marvel doesn't limit themselves to a single genre for their movies (and they absolutely do not) and this is a big part of their success (which I agree with). As to Marvel doing damage to their characters, I want you to list off all the damage they've done.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

tamzgaming I'm seeing three key patterns emerge with your posts: 1) You have an extremely hard time making an argument without resorting to vitriol and ad hominem attacks on anyone who might disagree with you. 2) You really don't know how to convince someone to your point of view because otherwise you would at least try to not be an arrogant asshole. 3) You are making the case that deviation from the comics source material is always bad and particularly deleterious to the characters, I know for a fact that it's not. Also, I am well aware of the simple truth that they can't 100% copy and replicate the comics into movie form, simply put it would not work. Either from a practical standpoint, a story standpoint or ultimately a business standpoint. There are a ton of changes they've done from the source material, and I would argue that almost all were either beneficial or neutral in their effect on the characters and their stories. Many were for film or business purposes and some were quite necessary (such as Not calling M'Baku Man Ape as he's known in the comics, that would have gone very badly).

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

And once again all I see is a lot of low IQ lashing out, this is what I get for trying to intelligently engage a 13 year old. Cheers.

After Doomsday kills Superman, how was Lex going to stop Doomsday from killing the rest of the world?

@Sefoskiii

6 жыл бұрын

dMb I don’t think he really cared that much about the rest of the world. He pretends that his motivations is to stop Superman with his ”silver bullet” if he ever turns evil but it turns out that that’s not what he actually wants. He just wants humanity to see God the way he does. Superman being the closest thing to a God. *The oldest lie in America is that power can be innocent* *No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from daddy’s fists and abominations. I figured out way back, that if God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. And if he is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And neither can you be. They need to see the fraud that you are, with their eyes. The blood on your hands* *I don’t hate the sinner. I hate the sin. And yours, my friend, is existing* If Superman dies, *the sin* dies with him. If Superman kills Batman, then he has proven that power cannot be innocent. If humanity dies after that, I don’t think he’d care. The dude killed people left and right.

@johno1544

6 жыл бұрын

Lex's plan made no sense for so many reasons. But unleashing a uncontrollable killing machine like Doomsday is at the top of the list of stupid.

@Sefoskiii

6 жыл бұрын

john o Lex wanted to kill the image of God literally and/or figuratively. Superman was the closest thing to a God, many humans saw him as a God, so Lex went after him. He manipulated the public and Bruce Wayne by framing Superman for murder. Everywhere Superman went, Luthor wanted death. This was the ”figurative” death of God. Because a God is meant to have unlimited power, yet Superman failed to stop all these atrocities, like the senate bombing, from happening. Remember, ”If God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful. And if he is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And neither can you be. They need to see the fraud you are, with their eyes”. If he figuratively kills the image of God/Superman, by proving that he is all powerful but not all good, then people will turn against him, the way they were doing in the film. If he kills Superman literally, with the help of Batman or Doomsday, then he’s proven that God/Superman is *maybe* all good but definitely not all powerful. And by killing him literally, he will have gotten his revenge against the ”man in the sky” that never came to save him when he was a child. Lex never cared about humanity. He just wanted them to see God the way he did. As a fraud.

@nicholasgarcia399

6 жыл бұрын

Not the work of the worlds smartest man huh

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

You know that's a great question, and considering the fact that Lex was supposed to have manipulated everything from start to finish in this movie it would at least bear asking how he was going to deal with Doomsday after he killed Superman, but I guess Snyder and Goyer and the rest of them couldn't be bothered to consider that.

I think what impresses me more than the analysis itself (which is spot-on) is the amount of time you put into this -- and more specifically, the number of times you had to watch and re-watch this slog of a film in order to construct and articulate your overall argument and the individual points. If that's not commitment, I dunno what is.

@linnmj05

6 жыл бұрын

As he said, when somebody screws up the death of a globally known and beloved character from pop fiction to the point that nobody cared (and some were even happy) that he died, it requires this type of scrutiny to this amount of detail.

"Maybe that one lady character because THEY'RE going to these movies now..." bahahahahahahah

Like a lot of self-professed DC fanboys I convinced myself to like BvS despite its flaws and because they're are good ideas in there hampered by frequent bad execution. Which is one of the reasons why I LOVE this series. Bob is a genius because he actually finds what people (like me) enjoyed about it and lays out exactly why they didn't work: this video contains the best DEFENSE of the Martha scene I've heard but then explains perfectly why it's still bad in the movie as presented. That's great criticism.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

sparesyllables Here Here!

I picked up on the Cyborg plot-hole about changing his origin to coincide with a date after his origin is shown in BvS. But Aquaman had his trident in BvS too? Even though he specifically asks for it in JL? I'm starting to think that the execs who greenlight this stuff don't even actually watch any of it.

@Bluemew1234

6 жыл бұрын

Still not as bad as the plot holes with Harley Quinn at least.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

The problem is that they have so many plot holes because they're chopping the movies to pieces in editing. It's possible that the movies had explanations for things, but they cut out so much stuff that we lose vital information.

Timestamps: 4:58 HOW DID WE GET HERE 15:09 I HAVE QUESTIONS 37:25 THREE STRIKES 44:46 SAVE MARTHA 52:17 THE KNIGHTMARE 1:02:51 UNFORCED ERRORS 1:09:09 THE ARKHAM FIGHT 1:17:09 ZERO HOUR

@Christ2010Grad

4 жыл бұрын

The Anti-Cynic THANKS!!!!

That it takes longer to explain what is wrong with this movie than it does to just watch the movie says way more about the quality of the film than any explanation could

I want Really That Good, RoboCop

@steampunker7

6 жыл бұрын

That would indeed kick ass. SFDebris did a review of it and did a great job digging into that film's underlying subtext and themes. Bob would be able to do a college dissertation on it.

@nickbell8353

6 жыл бұрын

I'll even take a G.E.M. for Robocop 2.

@negasonicteenagewarhead7343

6 жыл бұрын

Alex Franco The original or the reboot?

@steampunker7

6 жыл бұрын

Nick Bell I could see that. Didn't quite catch the magic of the first one but all told was a decent follow up.

Title says "Part I". Description says "Part II". Thumbnail says "Part III". I love it.

@Zeppelinschaffner22

6 жыл бұрын

WHAAAAT IS HAPPENING?!

@Scrial

6 жыл бұрын

That really confused me.

@andersonandrighi4539

6 жыл бұрын

I think it's some kind of joke revolving around the idea that BvS was supposed to be a prequel to JL.

@MrToBeEvil

6 жыл бұрын

But it doesnt say that?

@avatareternal3204

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe Bob is cracking up. Watching BvS too much will do that to anyone.

God damn you Bob, you cant just put the JL animated show's theme there without a warning! Nostalgia hit really hard.

52:18 So is the movie saying that if Lois died, Superman would become a tyrant, slaughtering people at will? If it is a vision sent by another entity and not just a dream, then Superman needs therapy asap. Apparently Superman is just one dead girlfriend away from being a super villain.

hahahahahahahaha, the fight scene with the 1966 music was awesome!!!! can you upload it as a separate stand alone video?!

@n0dr0gs49

6 жыл бұрын

Pelger Totally agree. I enjoyed the analysis but found myself laughing happily during that.

@wyndgrove9452

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you'd appreciate the irony of asking him to decontextualise that part of his video from helping to make his point in the overall thesis, given what he says about the popularity of the original scene mostly being situated outside of the actual narrative! Having said that, it's laugh out loud hilarious work.

@LostChrisB

6 жыл бұрын

My mate had the same thought earlier this year. Never underestimate what you can do with too much free time. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZH1-ls6Jn5repZc.html

@DeathKhan

6 жыл бұрын

That's fantastic. Well-done on your friend!

@DabIMON

6 жыл бұрын

I wish it had looked like that in the original movie.

I love that they pretty much pretended in Justice League that we had the proper Superman all along because I've gone on record planning to watch the movie with that mind set anyway. Looks like the movie and I had the same idea.

A lot of the script problems can be pointed at David S. Goyer. The same clueless nitwit who thinks Martian Manhunter is boring, agreed that She-Hulk was made for his cousin to have someone to f***, and the majority of his career (including his directorial debut) is an overly drawn out example of "the only thing lower than the average IQ of Hollywood execs is their standards". Yes, he was part of the Nolan Dark Knight trilogy but I'm willing to bet the other writers were carrying his sorry ass.

1:02:37 Right here, is why The Last Jedi is not “cinematic garbage.” Not saying that you can be angry or happy with Luke’s portrayal in the film, but the film manages to actually give an actual reason to do it. The whole movie spends most of its narrative building up the big mystery of “Why is Luke not normal?” only to come in and explain it, so that after being angry at himself for doing something that goes completely against character, he can still have closure and show up why we’ve always loved him. BvS on the other hand, gives us an entire sequence where Superman is a Nazi and doesn’t do anything meaningful to say out of it, and it also leaves zero impact on the film’s narrative except as a cheap way for Batman to want to fight Superman.

@alonsoarana5307

4 жыл бұрын

People who claim Last Jedi is garbage are the same who will eat this diarrhea of a film and call it misunderstood and a cinematic masterpiece

In HP's defense, it was written from the beginning as a continuity-based series. There's not really any way to do the whole series in one movie (especially since the books were still being written at the time of the first movie), and no reason NOT to do a movie for each book to tell the whole story. The all the MCU movies leading up to the Avengers didn't have to be interconnected. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Incredible Hulk all had self-contained plots, largely linked together by the stingers in each one. The fact that the Marvel Universe is pretty much built to be interconnected and they largely hit it out of the park is just icing on the cake/salt in the wound depending on your viewpoint. To sum up: Harry Potter: Pretty much needed to be a franchise to tell the whole story. MCU: Didn't have to be a franchise, but chose to be one when they realized they had a good team and their movies were doing gangbusters.

“Saaaave maarrtha” 😂 The cringe was so strong

Fun fact - did you know that Clark Kent and Lex Luthor have the same middle name? Look it up, it's Joseph.

@jordansweet8054

5 жыл бұрын

Why did you say that name?!?!

@kloggmonkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordansweet8054 IT'S HIS MIDDLE NAME!

Is it funny or sad that Warner takes great comics and turns them into shitty movies while Marvel can take shitty comics (CW.) and turn them into great movies?

@ZomgRuler

6 жыл бұрын

Joel Martinsson Popular Opinion

For some reason.......I find myself wanting to blame Ayn Rand for the narrative structure. When I can articulate the thought I will come back.

@martinsonderegger5903

6 жыл бұрын

Yes Snyder's stupid objectivism really pissed me off in MoS already. Snyder unable to believe in a pure good Superman by decision or/and the education of his human family must make out of Superman a Jesus figure which he never was. Superman was a symbole of hope and a symbol to inspire cause his parents have been human, because he decided to take their guidelines and tried to become one of us. Snyder should never have touched the dceu and made his stupid fountainhead movie.

@butchdeadlift10

6 жыл бұрын

If is hard to figure out what is dumber: an idiot's interpretation of Ayn Rand as "Being selfish fixes everything", an idiot's interpretation of Sun Tsu as "Scare your employees to obey you", or an idiot's interpretation of Kabalah as "Its not my fault. Its my Ego".

@shikatsu

6 жыл бұрын

Ayn Rand, because the others are thousands of years old, she was around during TV years.

@caitlinerickson7355

6 жыл бұрын

Martin Sonderegger oh god, now I’m imagining the Ayn Rand Cinematic Universe and I’m already annoyed at and bored with a series of movies that doesn’t even exist.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

The fact is that Snyders love of Rands works had a weird effect on a lot of BVS. Case in point, Lex Luthor. The reason they had to change Lex is Lex, much like Bruce Wayne, isn't far off from the character of Howard Rourke in "The Fountainhead." The problem is that Lex is supposed to be the villain and that doesn't fit with Snyders worldview so he had to make him unrecognizable from his comic book counterpart.

You know a movie is bad when seeing it torn apart for four hours is a lot more fun than watching the movie itself for two hours was.

"Superman and Batman having equally reasonable issues with each other's methods": this is what I'm gobsmacked about. You take two characters that have long-established philosophical differences about what they do and how they do it, and instead of leaning on that pre-existing contrast (which is the main thing that makes putting these two in the same room interesting), you make your movie's central conflict a misunderstanding, manufactured by the villain, that one party KNOWS is a misunderstanding manufactured by the villain before the major throw-down happens. WHY?

@Metaphysician2

3 жыл бұрын

@Iafiv Iv I mean, you might be right, but if so, the writers are incompetent. The best resolution for their traditional ideological conflict is a simple "each party realizes that they do not have a monopoly on virtue, and decides try and reach out in understanding and toleration." Have them realize this after they are both tired out from the initial battle, giving a chance for their emotions to cool and for them to see the damage to their surroundings. Of course, this works best if they aren't trying to murder each other for incoherent reasons, in the first place.

Why is cavel’s expression when he’s saying “save martha” so angry? He’s basically saying “i don’t care if you kill me, but save my mom”, so shouldn’t he have a sad, pleading expression?

Imagine how much simpler and more effective Lex would have been, if his origin was his parents were killed in the events of Man of Steel? That instantly endears him both to the audience, but to the other rich dude traumatized by dead parents, what was his name again? Oh right, Bruce Wayne! Bonus points for complexity: Lex misses his parents, but deep down he's also glad they're gone. Not because they abused him, but their loss enabled him to take over Lexcorp, and eclipse his father's legacy. I can just picture Lex ripping on Batman: "Look at you pointy-ears. Wasting your life moaping over your mommy and daddy, and dressing up in a fucking Halloween costume at night. Pathetic! I lost my parents, but did I go all to pieces? No, I THRIVED!" Sigh, if only...

@steampunker7

6 жыл бұрын

Just as Bob has his theory that the Joker and Lex were originally supposed to be in this film and they just mashed the characters together I have my own theory that much of Batman's reasons for hating Superman were supposed to be Lex's but were shifted to Bruce. Lex has always been the foil to Superman, the normal human with the mental superiority clashing with the superhuman with physical superiority. Him being suspicious, even scared, of Supes and putting on a public face of benevolence while working to undermine him behind the scenes would have fit his character perfectly. Hell, you wouldn't even need the "hates god, angry at his daddy, etc" BS. It could come down to a cold, simple truth. From Lex's perspective men are, at their core, vain, greedy creatures who will do whatever it takes to get what they want. He himself is exhibit A of that. So what about a "Superman?" Sooner or later, one way or the other, he's going to want something. What's going to happen to the rest of us mere mortals when that day arrives? It's an understandable and frankly legitimate fear that could have played out much better than Lex Riddler. And that's probably the most frustrating thing about BvS: concepts like that were just sitting there, ready to be used and explored and instead Snyder and Co snubbed them in favor of making the characters, plot, and story as complicated and convoluted as possible.

At around 1:02:45 when you say "betcha you don't see *this* in a Marvel movie!" - I'm betting that words to that exact effect have been said in planning meetings for these films. (I work in computer games, where this happens all the damn time.) I wonder what would happen to the person who said "yes, which is probably why everyone loves the Marvel movies". I think Warner Bros, at a top level, are in complete denial about Marvel's success. There's old rumours [1] that WB ordered "no jokes" for their DC films back in 2014, in order to differentiate themselves from Marvel's lighter and softer touch. Attempting to differentiate is a reasonable course of action if DC vs Marvel were pulling similar viewing figures (although "no jokes" would still be an awful idea), but when they're so clearly behind WB should be going over the Marvel films carefully and studying what makes those films work. They can then take what they've learned and say "we're going to do the same thing, but better". Sure, they'll find themselves in direct competition with Marvel a lot more, but they can figure out how to differentiate themselves once they've pulled alongside. (And honestly, just having a different roster may be differentiation enough.) Secondly: I don't think that red jacket is too much. [1] uproxx.com/hitfix/why-dcs-serious-superman-may-give-marvel-the-big-screen-edge/

However long it took to make the “horray, it’s my father’s batman!” Bit, it was totally worth it

One of the cutest attempts of people trying to defend Batman killing people in this movie is that this Batman from The Dark Knight Returns. Yeah...I've actually read Dark Knight Returns...and no, Batman didn't kill anybody, Joker does not count because he killed himself.

In terms of setting Lex up as a satisfying villain, there's a problem with the script if it feels like the villain's master plan plays out so perfectly not because he's just that cunning but either because everyone else in the plot is a giant dumb-dumb or because said villain apparently has far reaching probability altering powers. Just because his plan worked doesn't feel like it should have worked in any sane universe. He doesn't feel like an evil genius, he feels like he had a copy of the script and nobody else did.

Came back here after watching the JL Snyder cut - all those directing errors are EVERYWHERE in that movie! The continuity error of Cyborg's origin is actually retconned AGAIN. It's like Snyder can't even remember what scene he shot in the previous movie this is hilariously embarrassing. Spoiler: in JL Snyder cut Victor's father founded a way to partially activate the mother box before the death scream of Superman caused the awakening of those boxes, that is why Luther has footages of Cyborg before the death of Superman. However the email short movies depicts Victor's father looking like he didn't know why the mother box suddenly activated whereas in the JL Snyder cut it was shown he deliberately charged the mother box with power and activated it in order to save Victor. Snyder is just BAD at constructing narratives that lasts over 2 minutes.

I love that Bob can't help but write a better movie simply by describing where this one went so awry lol

I enjoy that your "Really That Bad" overview of Batman V Superman is now both longer than the film itself and more engrossing. Also. I really liked the Batman fight scene edit you did. It may have taken some time but it was worth it.

Your analysis of the Martha scene is godlike. Whenever somebody argues, this was actually brilliant, I just refer them to this video.

@bus7343

2 жыл бұрын

Time stamp?

@thekiller7994

Жыл бұрын

@@bus7343 44:46 is the section on Martha

Here's a thought: How about if instead of Superman weirdly calling his mother by her Christian name, he sheds a tear and says, "He's going to kill my mom," an actual human sentiment Batman would recognize regardless of what her name was?

One thing that always baffled me is why anyone in BvS would assume that Diana is anything other than a Kryptonian when she suddenly shows up at the end... Because what everyone in the universe knows is that the only persons that has had superpowers is from Krypton, and here a young, seemingly indestructable woman in a flamboyant suit (also colored in red yellow and blue) shows up and flips around with superhuman speed and strengths and has high ideals of justice and integrity fighting alongside he who seems indestructible, wears a flamboyant red yellow and blue outfit and sports superhuman speed and strength... and who has high ideals of justice and integrity. Yes, she also has a glowing noose (not identified yet as anything other than an incadescent rope, I might add) instead of laser eyes, but that is about everything anyone would know about her when she shows up. And if you're going to crowbar in a female equivalent of Superman into the end.. an equivalent who supposedly is NOT affected by Kryptonite... Then why not show why she couldn't be the one to spear Doomsday, (who's name was so clumsily referenced that I will refuse to call him anything other than that hulk clone from the Edward Norton film)? So, yes, in so many ways do I feel and agree that Wonderwoman was one of the worst inclusions in BvS. Not casting or acting wise... Those were far above expactations. But simply because of how useless and nonsensical she ended up being in the film.

If they were going to bring back General Zod and make him into a monster, they should have made him into some "Bizarro" version of Superman. I mean, if the embryonic chamber could turn Zod into something that looks like Doomsday, it isn't that much of a stretch to write it so that is causes him to come back severely disfigured, half-crazed (like Superman was in JL) and with inverted powers (heat breath and freezing vision). There was no reason to bring in Doomsday this early.

@pittland44

6 жыл бұрын

ViralAgent1 No *good* reason to bring in Doomsday. There is a reason to bring in Doomsday in this movie, but it has to with the Death of Superman being a high selling comic. I think even a Bizarro version of Zod would have been fine.

It just occurred to me that WWI really *was* 100 years ago now. Holy shit.

My guess on the Harry Potter thing is that it was perceived to end when they reached the end of the books. There was something like a time limit built in until this fantastic beasts spinoff stuff started.

This trilogy should be used in film schools! Keep up the awesome work Bob, these are immensely impressive works of critique that I think people will look back on for a long time.

I watched BVC UC last night with my partner, she is someone who doesn't follow comic books or the films but will watch the good ones on occasions. It was amazing how an outsider's perspective can highlight issues I neglected to realise. When Lex introduced and is showing the senator kryptonite in hopes to get the government on side with this plan (I think) she asked "why is he being so obviously shady? Wouldn't it be better if he was normal, like friendly and smart and publically known as being a nice guy, he is clearly weird. Wouldn't acting nice and not shady encourage the senator to be on board?" I was always indifferent to Jesse's take on the character and the overall writing and direction of his character but that simple observation made me realise just how piss poor of a take it was on such a interesting character.

@sporadikos6879

5 жыл бұрын

Because Lex's character was an abused child. We are given that information when he is about to release doomsday from the Kyrptonian Ship. How his father use to punch him and that God never protected him from his dad's fist of abominations. His character is suppose to also be direct reference to how those young geeky scientist of our day and age. He also is very comic relevant to Superman Birthright Lex Luthor. It wasn't piss poor, you just haven't realized how great Jesse actually did. Get off the hate train man, there's a lot to appreciate from the movie.

@ecliptorcalrissian5014

4 жыл бұрын

And you know what? Classic Luthor WOULD be charming for exactly that reason!

I seriously think the "Batman being corrupted" is not actual text from the movie but fans of the movie looking too much into it trying to defend it. Nothing says Batman didn't act super violent before the movie. That just seems Zack Snyder's super weird interpretation of the character.

@RegularGuyism

5 жыл бұрын

Alfred *literally* says that "everything has changed." All of this information is in the film, in explicit dialogue and context! You must've been more pressed to join in on the internet circlejerk.

I hated the Martha scene too, but for a different reason: Batman is a murderer. He’s killed several people in this movie. If it weren’t for that fact, I’d be fine with it. If Batman doesn’t kill Superman because he realizes he’d be killing someone who has people he loves, the very thing that drove him to become Batman, then how has he justified killing criminals up to this point. Is this really a realization that’s eluded him for years? Why didn’t Alfred tell him this? The Batman I know watched his parents get murdered so he refuses kill because he knows how devastating that is to families. That Batman works in this scene because he hasn’t crossed that line yet and almost betrayed the very reason he became a hero. But the fact that he didn’t redeems him so it works. Snyder’s Batman on the other hand, lost his parents so he built a car that he can ram into criminals cars and blow them up, and a stealth bomber with with mounted machine guns he uses to mow down anyone who gets in his way. At this point he is several orphaned children past the point of redemption so what’s the point? He didn’t care before why would he now?

@mitchelllynch1129

4 жыл бұрын

Batman being a killer doesn't even make sense in this universe because why hasn't he killed Joker, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc, Black Mask, Deadshot, Zsasz and Deathstroke? If he's ok with killing why doesn't just blow up Arkham Asylum? It makes no sense how he's ok with killing low life thugs who have families to feed but he doesn't kill a heartless killer in the Joker

@mitchelllynch1129

4 жыл бұрын

What they should've done is have Batman go to the brink of nearly killing and then when he has that nightmare where he does kill people, that should make him realise that he's going too far and should calm down

I'm faux disappointed that you didn't comment on one of my biggest pet peeves about the film, which is the continual referencing of Gods. It made sense when Lex Lutor did it in the source comic "Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel" because Lex was speaking poetically. But Snyder continually makes people LITERALLY be referencing Superman as being a God. Someone or something isn't a God because they are powerful. A God is someone or something that is in communication with the spiritual or the divine. At no point in time does the film actually comment on this in any intelligent way. It's like if everyone in the film kept referring to Batman as a Ghost despite the fact that he's running around punching people and getting stabbed. You can't just use lots of lofty, poetic words and think that it makes your script poetry. It has to also make some semblance of sense and be intelligent.

@FNGLHR

6 жыл бұрын

There's still another part to go.

@Alknix

6 жыл бұрын

Still, there has to be more to even a "god" than being very-very strong and fast. That's Stone Age interpretation!

@ChaoticButterfly

6 жыл бұрын

Well, there's a reason why the DC fighting game is called "Injustice: Gods Among Us." One of the common definitions of god is: an adored, admired, or *_supremely powerful_* person. It's that usage that makes it appropriate in that game title. There is a reason the list of DC characters is referred to as a "pantheon."

@Alknix

6 жыл бұрын

Well, yes, we use the word. But we don't use it literally. We can call this or that person "A god of nerds/classical music/poker/Starcraft/etc", but it's always metaphorical. Even in Injustice I don't recall any religious connotations unironically attribtuted to any of the characters. Besides, it's a game title. Exaggeration is admissable, if not expected, there for marketing purpose of eye catching alone. But if you're actually going to discuss in all seriousness whether or not a character qualifies as a god, he'd better done something more impressive than bench press a rocket or save a girl from a fire.

@ThatGuy-tx2xr

6 жыл бұрын

It's like the movie was written by Neitzche

you want DARK and GRITTY R RATED, DC fans? WATCH THE PUNISHER! marvel does everything better sorry..

I wouldn't be surprised if the Knightmare made it into the movie in part because someone decided there needed to be an action scene to make sure the audience doesn't get bored. That's purely speculation on my part; but that's the feeling I got as I was watching it.

The fact that they tried to frame SUPERMAN with a massacre of Africans with fucking GUNS was stupid enough to walk out of the theater for.

You know, whenever somebody brings up the Wonder Woman didn't do anything for 100 years argument, they forget the most important thing; F**KING ZOD! ! Every other tragedy can be explained away as men being men. Btw ZOD came to Earth with the intention of KILLING all of humanity. And she sat on her ass taking first class intercontinental flights to purchase art, I guess? She didn't spring into action when this GLOBAL threat appeared. And Neither did Batman OR Atlantis. Man of Steel makes BvS look sh*t but it also makes every concept sh*tty in comparison due to there being no reason super skilled or super powered ppl didn't fight this global threat. There wasn't even an ATTEMPT to mobilize. So if Superman died in Man of Steel, then what would BvS have to say?

@ 1:14:41 - note-to-future-self: please use this time stamp the next time you feel down and need cheering up.

It's stunning how Bob's cut together clips describing Batman's arc through the scene has SO MUCH MORE resonance that "Save Martha" actually had in the released film.

Literally one of the best series of analysis videos I've ever seen. Thanks so much for all the effort to break down this film (and basically all the others in the franchise thus far) beyond just "it sucks!" We all know it's disappointing, but why? That's more important than anything else. Cannot wait for Part III. Oh, suggestion for a future "Really That Good"? Commando. If you haven't seen it yet, PLEASE do. It would be perfect for that series. Thanks again, Bob! *two big thumbs up*

The short version of this video is, "this movie is a dumpster fire from start to finish. " the biggest thing DC needed to do was be patient and worry about the foundation first but instead they went with panic and rushed, I mean it literally looks like the cash grab thay t hi is movie is.

Dude. Moon Knight is rad.

@danieloregan7567

6 жыл бұрын

The point wasn't that he isn't cool, it was that he's not mainstream recognisable

@paulcoy9060

5 жыл бұрын

We'll tell everybody he's Batman, but dresses in white. Super easy.

@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick

5 жыл бұрын

Joe So is Cyborg. He still feels out of place.

@AbstractTraitorHero

4 жыл бұрын

@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Being real I'd rather just have a teen titans movie rather then a justice league one. As a fan of cyborg I kinda like diden't feel much seeing that he'd be apart of it, because it....kinda really dosent fit him I suppose.

@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick

4 жыл бұрын

AbstractTraitorHero They only put cyborg in because Teen Titans is popular.

The "I thought she was with you" joke doesn't even makes sense. Batman already knows who she is and has had a conversation with her. Maybe, maybe it works if Batman asks Superman if she is with him (thinking maybe they were friends and he didn't know) and Superman says 'i thought she was with you'...maybe. Or maybe Batman doesn't get files on her until later...just something.

Snyder is an avid follower of Ayn Rand, and has been trying to get a Fountainhead movie made. If you understand her philosophy, Snyder's version of Super Man makes perfect sense.

@vernesdelpeche7240

6 жыл бұрын

EƎ yeaaaaah no, Ayn Rand is way too full of herself

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

Bob has mentioned her philosophy numerous times. It's still a bad idea.

@MisterGunpowder257

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, it makes sense that he'd do it. But Ayn Rand's philosophy, ignoring the sheer scale of the fact that it doesn't work in any environment, runs completely contradictory to Superman as a character. In fact, it's fair to say that objectivism is something that Superman in all prior instances defined as something he stood against.

@EthanEves

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. I'm not suggesting that twisting Superman into the juvenile "I don't owe anyone anything" moral lesson was a good character or narrative choice, just that it makes sense in the mind of a Rand follower.

@MisterGunpowder257

6 жыл бұрын

Fair enough, hard to read in your original comment.

You know, watching a DCEU movie with a MCU movie around the corner is pretty much like, cheering on your favorite underdog football team, you just know they are going to disappoint you, but they get your hopes up every time they try.

I think the “Batmab spares Superman” scene may have worked better if Supes had said something like. “I’m sorry, Mom.” That could have worked in that it affirma Superman’s humanity to Batman while reminding him of his own lost family. But that’s not what happened and it seems nobody cared enough to make sure it happened in a way that made sense.

@zhengyingli

4 жыл бұрын

Why would Superman say that when he's trying to plead to Batman to save Martha?

@Kta8548i

4 жыл бұрын

nope that would have been pretty cringey

What did you expect for a black woman in a Zack Snyder film? For her to be treated with respect or agency.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wonder Woman's "THE GREEK GODS ARE DEAD!?" thing gets dropped in the future. Mainly being the fact that SHAZAM is supposed to be powered by these same gods or Neptune's hold over the city of Atlantis, it does sound like a Zack idea in general but i am wandering if was worth it now as a plot point. Maybe it was to further set up the NEW GODS but now am thinking there not going in that direction and i think they will found a way around it if any!!!

“Billionaire Ninja Furry” MOVIEBOB, NO. DO NOT GIVE THEM IDEAS. xd

This is so FUKCING good! What's most amazing to me is Bob's ability to see the potential for gold nuggets in the shitstorm, like the whole Martha thing. It's inspiring.