This is one of the best baseball videos on KZread, period. Insanely thorough research here, Cam.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Hatbilly that means the world. This video by far took the most work out of any video I’ve ever created, but through it I felt the most rewarded, because of the incredible history surrounding Josh Gibson. Truly incredible human being and while it was a stressful process to try and do his story justice, in the end I was glad that it came together the way it did.

As an African American i APPRECIATE you shedding light on this. Well done video 🔥💪🏿

@Cam23

9 ай бұрын

How did I not see this comment til now?! Thank you so much I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

Thank you for this, this part of Baseball history needs more attention and I hope you continue to document this particular area.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

There’s more to come! John Henry Lloyd is the next guy on my radar for a video.

@axelagosto5196

Жыл бұрын

@@Cam23 Awesome

It is shameful that the black players were barred from playing MLB until Jackie Robinson. Think of all the additional excitement those players would have created.

@EthanNiedorowski

2 ай бұрын

In a game of numbers it’s sad we don’t have the numbers

@EthanNiedorowski

2 ай бұрын

Gibson Ruth Bud black jack Tim all names now I just want the numbers

@Cryptofun325

5 күн бұрын

And to think Jackie Robinson was literally a low tier Negro league player even by negro league standards. So if he did great stuff in MLB, the REAL good players like Josh Gibson would have destroyed the MLB!!

@jasongibbs3713

2 күн бұрын

Well, black people were barred from being real citizens until the 1970s

@whywhy3289

2 күн бұрын

Another sad part is that Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb who where the two biggest stars of the sport to that point were advocating for integration long before it happened. It was a bunch of nobodies that kept things split.

It’s definitely Josh Gibson! Great video as always!!!!

Excellent video! I think there's a strong argument that you are the most underrated baseball channel and on the very short list of most underrated channels regardless of genre!

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

This comment made my day! Thank you for saying such nice things about the channel, I work really hard on these videos and I hope that I can continue to entertain, inspire, and teach others about the sport I love the most!

Great stuff. Thank you for posting this. The guy was incredible.

Great segment, MLB has further elevated Mr. Gibson. I wish they baseball wasn't segregated back then as well as I wish more box scores were available for more at bats. Great video.

@Cam23

Күн бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Gibson should be celebrated, we were robbed of a legendary MLB career

Hes the best all time my dad saw Josh play winter ball in PR my said Bech couldnt carry Gibsons bat. The Negro League was a major league.

@CHOSEN5679

Ай бұрын

Doubt it lol. The Negro leagues couldn't hold the mlb's jock bro. It was prob comparable to Double A ball.

My great grandfather watched him play in Pittsburgh and said he hit a home run into the monongahela river which was over 500 feet

@Cam23

4 күн бұрын

Holy smokes that's really cool, thank you for sharing that!

Josh did all this while swinging a 39 ounce bat. Man had crazy strength.

@Cam23

4 күн бұрын

He was a beast!

Great video, sir! Thank you!

@Cam23

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate that! 😄

Gibson was a monster I puertorrican and my father saw played and tell I never in his live saw a player hit the ball like Gibson.And PR was the house of a lot of the players from negro league,we respected all of them Gibson,Brown,Clarkson

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome, thank you for sharing!

@axelagosto5196

Жыл бұрын

@Cam 23 A pleasure I love baseball through my father,From my mother family her father played in Caribbean leagues and his brother won the first two batting titles in Puerto Rico Perucho Cepeda a hell of the I imagine you known his son Orlando Cepeda

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

@@axelagosto5196 That's really cool. And I do know Orlando Cepeda!

Bruh this video hits different right now.

On this historic day I find this video.

Just discovered and subscribed to your channel, great content.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and welcome to the channel! ⚾️

I knew very little about the Negro Leagues. This move feels very positive because it elevates EVERYONE. It's a win win. There are some people in life who are incapable of seeing win-win in any scenario. This is the type who is complaining.

Great video you have a new subscriber!!!!

@Cam23

2 күн бұрын

Thank you! Welcome to the club 😎

You need to compare and contrast all of the competition that all these players used to face a lot of these ballparks have massive Centerfield fences and tons and tons of foul territory Satchel Paige is regarded as one of the best who ever lived and actually pitched in Major League Baseball as an old man and was effective you should do a video on the old ballparks that would be awesome. There's still a few of them around they are historic and beautiful

Awesome video

@Cam23

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

All the old stories of 500+ homeruns .. did they used to measure from home to where the ball stopped rolling?

Yes thank you 😊

The X-files did an episode "The Unnatural" that was loosely based on Josh Gibson. Its been awhile since I have watched that episode, but if I recall correctly the had him in the outfield NOT behind the plate which bothers me. Regardless I consider it the best ever episode of the X-files.

Always been a fan of the negro leagues since i saw Ken Burns baseball as a kid watching Josh Gibson's stats online nowadays is pretty neat..... 20 hr's in 39 games in 1937.... thanks for the video

He was definitely really good but it’s apples to oranges

nice

My dad saw him play in PR he j Josh is the greatest hitter he ever saw and he saw William's and DiMaggio

@Cam23

5 ай бұрын

That's some high praise!

Cool Papa Bell aka James Thomas Bell.

NOBODY is even CLOSE to J. Gibson!!!!

@user-sp7rr5yc7j

Күн бұрын

In his leage

@user-sp7rr5yc7j

Күн бұрын

Wrong in sanction ball he hit 300 hrs the others came against local town teams they would play anybody who would play them do your research

An absolutely epic video. Thank you so much

@Cam23

3 күн бұрын

I greatly appreciate the kind words! Thank you for watching 😎

Really wonder if Gibson would put up those stats if he played in the MLB. Obviously an insanely talented player, but comparing stats from the MLB and the Negro Leagues doesn't really work.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s definitely something worth considering hypothetically. However, considering how well he did while barnstorming and playing against actual MLB players, it really makes you wonder if it’d be much different. The GOATs adapt, and rise to competition once entering a new environment. But I can also see how he didn’t play a majority of his games against them, leading us back to square one. I truly believe that Gibson would’ve surprised us, and done well in the MLB.

@mimonikeda5768

Жыл бұрын

@@Cam23 Well said. I think Gibson would have done well in the MLB, probably wouldn't keep up the absolutely ridiculous stats he had in the Negro Leagues, but would still be one of the greatest sluggers of his era, but it really sucks we will never know for sure

@oldgordo61

2 ай бұрын

@@mimonikeda5768Wasn't born when Gibson or Ruth played or when they died long before I was born..but can you imagine if Gibson had played in the majors and against or with Ruth? Can you imagine the excitement both would have generated in the race for the most home runs each year? It's a real shame that so many great players were not allowed to play in the majors because of the colour of thier skin.

@DarrylBarnes

Ай бұрын

Yea because black ball ball players are proven better lol

@DarrylBarnes

Ай бұрын

The Negro league clubs used to routinely beat the snot out of white all star teams

Now he does

He is # 1

There is an argument to be made for Biz Mackey as 2nd greatest catcher ever.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

He was an incredible player as well!

He looks huge. Jacked up

@Bradleytosh

10 ай бұрын

In a good way. A monster

@THERetro_Savage

9 ай бұрын

What if he traveled through time and meet Jose Canseco then returned to his time to dominate

@plutoisacomet

3 күн бұрын

No such term during that time. He was the son of share croppers and was a NATURAL

Every time I come to the plate I’m in scoring position - Josh Gibson 🐐

The key word is IF!! We have roughly 5 years of stats . If you took other players ,and wennt by their best five years statistics, a lot of them would surpass Babe Ruth. For instance, if you took Gary Sanchez first month, he'd be the greatest player ever. I'm skeptical of anything undocumented that comes from the care keepers of the Negro Leagues who only offer up hyperbole to fill the gaps. It's shaky, it's extremely shaky.

Gimbels was macy's rival till they went out of business in 1981

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

Good to know!

@spanky9676

Жыл бұрын

1986. Not 1981.

@keenanrochester5181

4 күн бұрын

Gimbals and Macy’s had the same fair chance, not a good comparison. Buck, Gibson didn’t have that chance.

Johnny Bench played many years in the MLB.

I Love Bench , I’m a lifelong 43yo REDS Man Yogi is My All Time Favorite Human Being & the only Yankees jersey I have But Josh Gibson didn’t get that chance to show the world how Great He truly was Or else I do believe He’d be like Babe Ruth and at the most demanding position on the field . *Sorry I had to edit guys I got a call on the radio from the front office & just wanted to hurry & finish My Comment On The Greatness of Josh Gibson He even has the name that when you hear it You just know He’s a legit Just like Joe Dimagio , Mickey Mantle , Willie Mays , Johnny Bench , Yogi Berra , Josh Gibson , Satchel Page , Jackie Robinson, Ted Williams , Mookie Betts , Stan Musial , Hank Arron , Warren Spahn , Walter Johnson, Sandy Koufax , Nolan Ryan , Pete Rose 🌹 You can tell when Men are meant to Be something special because their names just have a certain ring to them . It can even be a somewhat common name but when You say theirs it’s just different & it’s from the jump As a kid not knowing anything about anything but I could grab a stack of baseball cards and certain players just stood out & you knew they were great the 1st time you read their name You didn’t even have to turn turn the card over & it was in the 80’s before any special cards , you could have a stack of all regulars Topps & You’d read Jose Canseco , Will Clark, Eric Davis , Jose Rijo , Wally Joyner , Barry Larkin & You’d just know they were great and or going to be. I’ve been a fan of those names Especially Larkin from the 1st time I heard their names

Absolutely ridiculous to integrate Negro League stats into MLB stats. Ludicrous. We can talk about how great Gibson was but we can't use stats to do it.

@andre1987eph

Күн бұрын

Discussing a player's greatness typically involves referencing their statistics. The statement implies that stats are essential for such discussions but rejects the integration of the very stats that would support the discussion.

#CAMPANELLA

Mickey Cochrane..

Catcher!?? He has a argument for being the best ever!

Greatest catcher !? ..... Johnny Bench ! Barnone !

It's sad he died just months before Jackie broke the color barrier. Buck O'Neil told me that he thought either Satchel Paige or Josh Gibson was the greatest player he saw play, which was only a few months before he died, so from the 1920s to 2006, either Satchel Paige or Josh Gibson was probably the best baseball player of that 80 something year time span.

Yogi Berra!?!?!? Nonsense!!!!! Johnny Bench not in top 5!!!!!

Babe Ruth didn't compare to Josh Gibson? Wake up! Nobody knows what Gibson's stats are lol. You cant say he's better than the greatest player of all time lol. Babe Ruth broke a record every time he hit a home run! I played in the major leagues, and the dis respect Ruth gets is unreal. I bet the Negro leagues was comparable to Double A ball.

@Cam23

Ай бұрын

If you think this video is disrespecting Ruth you've misunderstood. Gibson's legacy comes with larger than life comparisons and question marks when it comes to stats, because we don't know! But what we do know is that all-time great players who saw him play compared him to some of the best to ever do it.

@rico5527

4 күн бұрын

U should know his stats. They are now apart of mlb history 🇺🇸

its a shame that gibson isnt accepted universally as the greatest catcher, and as most certainly a top 5 overall player. lets look at a common perception of many baseball fans. many will claim "mike piazza is the greatest hitting catcher, ivan rodriquez the greatest defensive catcher, and johnny bench the greatest all-around catcher". so for starters, there is no doubt at all, absolutely none among the best baseball researchers that gibson was a far better, much much better hitter than mike piazza. therefore, gibson is the best hitting catcher by an absurd margin. those eyewitnesses who can discuss gibson's fielding seem unanimous that he had a great arm, and really "knew how to catch", but that he wasnt the quickest behind the plate, probably allowed more passed balls than some of the most elite catchers, and was most likely NOT a top 20 defensive catcher all-time. but his defense was nonetheless above average and therefore, miles and miles better than the defense of mike piazza. perhaps somewhere in the range of berra or fisk defensively, not as good as bench, campy, sundberg,dickey, rodriquez etc. still this assessment of his defense would leave him as conclusively the best overall as long as one grants that he is by far the greatest hitting catcher. 2 more related negatives about gibson must be pointed out. he was in sharp decline by his 30th birthday and dead at 36 as a result of his drinking problems, which sound worse than those of any other ballplayer one might name. and baseball has had many drunks. this would be something he brought on himself, even though one could make the case that segregation "caused" the drinking problem. therefore he was the greatest all-around catcher in his 20s, but his prime was rather short, even compared to other catchers (who wear out younger than other players). the point about catchers that is in the least dispute? the fact that yogi berra was the most consistent, averaging .295-24-98 for 12 straight years or something close to that ( i didnt look it up, thats my best recollection, and im certain the point is the same) no other catcher went over a decade without a bad year, so yeah there's always berra in this discussion.

Heresay. All you have heresay.

@Cam23

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to KZread AlienObserver-wi2pb

@oldgordo61

2 ай бұрын

Well more than just hearsey. The great Walter Johnson regarded Josh Gibson as one if not the greatest catcher ever. And he has seen some great catchers in his day. Personally I think Willie Mays was the greatest all round player. He could hit a ton he was a superb fielder had good speed on the bases and a very good batting average. I only saw Mays play near the end of his career.

@AlienObserver-wi2pb

2 ай бұрын

@@oldgordo61 His numbers cannot be proven. They are made up.

Id bet a thousand be couldn't throw like Bench , or call a game like Bench , or move around the box like Bench.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

Bench is an all time great no doubt about it. But if Satchel Paige raved about this guy, I’m gonna have to disagree with that. There’s no data to back that up, it’s all speculation and guessing he played in a different time.

@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973

Жыл бұрын

@@Cam23 to be fair Satchel said a lot of things that were exaggerations , hyperbole or outright lies. I don't doubt Gibson's ability. But I have not seen any catcher with the combination of skills Bench had. confidence, power , arm strength and accuracy, a photographic memory , light on his feet, leadership skills. I've heard Gibson had great power. The NNL was watered down more than the majors and that would generally show when teams got deep into their rotations or bench players. Some of the Negro League players were major league caliber. But some were not.

I love the story of Josh Gibson and love the attention he's been getting but there's almost no proof behind his numbers. Also, why are winter league stats being added to totals? Plenty of mlb players play winter league and its not added to their official totals. The Mexican and Puerto Rican leagues didn't have near the talent the MLB had. Personally, I think Roy Campanella is closer to being the greatest catcher of all time. He was robbed of about 5 years of his prime because of baseballs stupid segregation rules, but we saw what he did from ages 26 on in the MLB.

@Cam23

Жыл бұрын

You make great points but unfortunately that’s the time he played in. Hard to fault someone who was banned from playing in the MLB. And it’s truly a guess as to what could’ve been his numbers had he played in the MLB. Campanella definitely has a great case to hold that title. Different catchers from different eras offered a variety of skill sets. Bench and his defense, Yogi and his bat to ball abilities, etc.

Bench is to catchers like Butkus was to linebackers cmon this is another league Gibson was good but he didnt hit near the homeruns or hits like Bench had . Like you said Bench had 10 gold gloves that says it all .

Yogi Berra is hands down the best ever at the position...

Here's the problem with this argument, which i've seen frequently. You arent actually comparing similar products. At this time black people were around 20% of the population, and the US population was only 120 million (nearly 350m today.) By being restricted in their recruitment pool to such a comparatively small number, the pitching talent was naturally not as high as it "should" be in order to be held up for a wider comparison. Which, the MLB itself by excluding the best black athletes also had a watered down pool as well, albeit significantly larger, they still were missing key players. Neither base MLB nor Negro League players can actually be viewed as competing in a "complete" environment to players who came later. Is this their fault? Of course not. Most Major Leaguers were fine with playing with Negro Leaguers and did during off season exhibitions. It was a trenchant few, owners and Landis who blocked them and shoulder all the blame. For a similar circumstance look at 1961 when home runs went way up. Why? Because they had to draft a bunch of not-ready talent into the league to fill out expansion teams, making the best hitters look even better. MLB experienced two significant jumps in quality, first was integration and second was internationalization. By expanding the available talent pool and only picking the top .1% to play professionally, you naturally get better to an order of magnitude. Was Gibson an excellent player? Absolutely. Best catcher in the negro leagues? Almost certainly. Better than most if not all MLB catchers at that time? Again, almost certainly. Better than catchers who came later? Very questionable assertion. And this goes for every sort of "best ever" argument. Jordan and Lebron is one I hear a lot. Gretzky being the best despite playing back when it was NHL junior, all these time displacement arguments are just ones that cant be answered. Even just the nature of human understanding, where once something is learned it cannot be unlearned, makes each successive generation better than the last without an outside force changing it. Good video though. You didnt even use any sad music or talk about how awful all white people are, like Ken Burns does whenever he talks about Negro Leaguers.

@JarrodFLif3r

2 ай бұрын

Look at how well Satchel Paige pitched in the MLB in his 40s.....Gibson's praise for hitting and defense was even more so than Satchel. Unfortunately we will never know. He very well could have been the best catcher, hitter, home run king had he played in the MLB... Regardless when they talk about the top pitchers, he deserves to be in the conversation with Bench and Berra.

Babe Ruth did not play in the Negro Leagues, neither Josh Gibson in the MLB league. They are different leagues that should be celebrated for what they were, but they were not equal. Equalizing the unequal is ignorant or stupid! Let’s celebrate all these great players not invent new ways of measuring reality! Hypothesis is not reality!

@Cam23

3 күн бұрын

I respectfully disagree, look at this video as an opinion piece that you might read in the newspaper. In fact, this video is celebrating both leagues because it shows that there were players left out of the MLB who deserved to be there! You're right, hypothesis is not reality, but who's to say we can't entertain what could have been? It's only unequal because segregated America made it that way

If I was allowed to use stats outside of the MLB, I’d be the best hitter too. Come on bro….bad take on this one.

@Cam23

Ай бұрын

So quoting other all-time greats who raved about Gibson is a bad take? Got it.

@andre1987eph

Күн бұрын

T Ball stats can't be counted 🤣

I can't take you seriously if you make a list of the greatest catches of all time and Yadier Molina is nowhere to be found. LOL. Come on dude Yadier is 100% the best defensive catcher and his offense caught up as well so I think Yadi is the best. I'm a bias Cardinal fan of course but dude that guy has to be in the conversation.

@Cam23

2 күн бұрын

I don't disagree with that, I'm just one person and I simply brain farted on it. I wasn't being malicious or intentionally leaving him out

Okay so are gonna add the stats of all players who "barnstormed" in the off season or played in winter leagues or the minor leagues for that matter to their professional stats???? Look the segregation of baseball (and all other aspects of society) was horrible... but you can't include stats of games that he was facing semi pro players....

Then he ain't the greatest catcher. His stats cannot even be proven.

@Cam23

5 ай бұрын

Then I suggest you take this video for what it is: a subjective speculation. The stats that we do have show he is an all-time great, no debate.

🥹 appreciate you for this rest in peace Josh Gibson 🙏🏾🙏🏾 💯💯

@Cam23

9 ай бұрын

Josh Gibson deserves the love!

Not even close

Nope this is B's to take people who never played in MLB only MLB doing it cause MLB is boring n there trying to get new kids to play

@Cam23

4 күн бұрын

It's hard for me to follow exactly what you're trying to say, but I don't believe there's a reason why we can't hypothetically compare Josh Gibson to any other catcher who's ever played this game. It's not his fault he couldn't play in MLB, and frankly it's egregious to ignore such a rich part of baseball history