Yes! Been looking forward to this! Hard to find Vids showcasing Vigny's Cane system so Thank You! Look forward to more European martial arts using the cane!

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

We were also irritated not to find anything in that direction. A shortcoming that needs to be rectified 😉

This promises to be very good indeed 😀 Cheers

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your trust 😊

Hooking an opponent's neck or limb in a real fight seems unlikely, but I appreciate your research. Also crook canes so practical for everyday carry, to secure on arm or belt -- there instantly when needed for balance or defense and less threatening-looking than others. I'm studying Doyle-style Irish stick (bataireicht) myself.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Your first point is what I tried to say at the end of the video, so we agree in that point. But infact these hooking is a way less fashy then some knots you will get taught today 🙃 I once take part in a seminar for the Dolyle style, very nice practical method 👌

Thanks! Enjoyed the instruction.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome 🙂 And thank you 🙏👍

Einfache und gute Technik. Ich habe diese Art von Spazierstock, ein Geschenk. Wir warten auf die Fortsetzung. 👍🤝

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Danke dir 👍 Ich mag solche Stöcke, einfach und elegant. Ja, um eine Fortsetzung werden wir wohl nicht herum kommen 🙃

Very interesting concepts!

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

The two hooks on the leg are infact a transfer from a sweep by the foot with the same kind of braking the structure and balance first.

The hat is called Boater. A frenchman shows videos about hats in his channel ,hat historian'.

@OliverJanseps

10 сағат бұрын

@@brittakriep2938 and we call it 'Kreissäge' in Germany as I learned lately 😅 Thank's for the channel advise 👌

Great now I want to watch sherlock holmes. The one with ironman. Thanks.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome 😁 enjoy!

Sehr cooles Video!

@OliverJanseps

2 ай бұрын

Danke sehr 🙂

Hello, very interesting. I would like you to show us techniques when an attacker grabs your cane. Thank you so much.

@OliverJanseps

2 ай бұрын

I will put that on my list 😉 Let me have a look into some cane and umbrella sources from the 19th cent. Because I do not remember a specific one, but at least I could do a vid anyway 🙃

nice!

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Thank you in advance Gary! Let me know if you liked what you will see 😃

@garyowen766

3 ай бұрын

I will :) @@OliverJanseps

Sehr schön gemacht 👍🏼

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Danke Dir 👍🙏

put your lead leg back at the same time your pulling his head down then use the knee to strike at the moment the head is down instead of waiting on the switch

@OliverJanseps

Ай бұрын

This would also a possible variation. But it would change the pulling technique drastically.

@jessebumstead5154

Ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps change doesnt necessarily mean more or less efficient, would you, if you havent already; try it a few times then get backwith me about its efficiency... i no longer have sparring partners so i would like to hear about it from your experience.

@OliverJanseps

Ай бұрын

Definetely, also no one said this is the best variation, but it's the historical akkurat one 😉 I could imagin what will happend, but to be sure I will give it a try on the weekend 👍

@jessebumstead5154

Ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps i appreciate you taking the time to respond and interact. and without the styles from history we could never have achieved the variations.

Fantastic, you take a couple of old pictures and made them come alive 😀 👍. Like the hat 🎩 . You are right, today canes with no crook are very rare. Unfortunately there is little materiel from Vigny. If i might repeat myself the book by Lang ("an Indian officer") is the only complete method of stick fighting that remains from that time, 1926?, and it's only for strikes at a distance. So what about more from the pictures of bartitsu, or Lang? Cheers

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Let's see hiw I feel about the hat, when I am done with some other Videos for canonical Bartitsu cane 🙃 I am 'afraid' of I have opened a Box of cookies and everyone wants more 😄🍪 And you really want to see some H.G. Lang. You will get it 🤝 but this will definetely took some time 😅

Professor Moriarty was an expert in this, did not help him much against an amateur boxer 😀

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

If the writer is on the boxers side, you have no chance 🙃😉

I like the hat🦊💚

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

I also fellt more comfortable with that hat over the time 😄

Ok. In dem Kontext des Gesamtvideos sieht das schon ganz anders aus als in dem reinen Ausschnitt der Shorts. Da kann man die noch etwas abgehackte Fußarbeit im erklärenden Kontext verzeihen.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Bedankt, da hab ich ja nochmal Glück gehabt 🙂😉

Where can I get a Hat like this?

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

The Model is called "boater" or "Kreissäge" 🙃 in German. If you know it, you will find them nearly anywhere 🙂

I'll keep this in mind if I ever run into Jack The Ripper.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

If you aren't a female workung on the backstreets, this probably might not happend 🙃

@arthurwatts1680

3 ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps given that I doubt we will ever know how many people fell prey to the Ripper, I doubt that we can make that assumption. Even today, we have thousands of missing persons cases that remain unsolved - back then, it would have been much easier for someone to disappear from those streets.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

From this point of view you will better have your cane at your side 😉

I want to carry cane,but it will be weird to see 28 year old guys like me carry it for self defense purpose. Maybe carry umbrella is good thing.

@OliverJanseps

2 ай бұрын

If one feels unsafe, first thing should always be doing some (good) martial arts and real self-defense courses. Just carrying a tool one cant use is no benefit. But back to your "problem". A umbrella looked also weird in best hot summer 😉 If you are trained you look different, your body speaks different, and so it's with carrying a cane. You have to dont care what other might be thinking. I was one on vacation in NY City and bought an old shillelagh at the fleah market in hells Kirchen early in the morning. I had to carry it the whole day. Okay it was NY but I did not feel weird no one was really looking as I thought 😅

@muizismail4844

2 ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps I'm actually learn silat from my father, and learn arnis to. Maybe i care much about people around me, because i think they will say "young man, carry cane? That's odd?". Maybe i need to change my mindset and Don't care about what people think why I'm carry cane sometimes.

@OliverJanseps

2 ай бұрын

I already thought you were training something. This fors more a generall reminder for the silent readers 😉 Silat is great! Also great in and for overall movement Art 👌 If I would carry a cane, I would prefer a crook or Derby just because one can hang it over things if not needed, over your own arm etc. So it's no big Handicap in real life.

Please Consider Doce Pares, Escrima Sticks Philippine Martial Arts, Balintiwa, Silat, Or Ancient Abir Queseth, Abraham Defeated Thousands Of Soldiers with 300+ Shepherds

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

If real weapons are not available, sticks and staffs were always welcome 🙂 Greetings from an old Inayan Eskrimador 👋

@pauldaystar

3 ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps 🙏🏽🕊🕎✝️Thankyou for Sharing

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

@@pauldaystar you're welcome, next one us in the making 😉

Insgesamt wirken diese Techniken doch sehr nach dem aus was heute moderne Self-Defense Power-Fantasien sind, die erfordern daß der Gegner drei Tempi Pause macht. Aber die Umsetzung im Video war gut. Das Material scheint nur... naja... zu sein.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Das kann ich nachvollziehen, geht mir nämlich ähnlich. Man darf an der Stelle nicht vergessen, dass es sich hierbei auch um "Werbung" für die eigene Schule handelt und Fantasien ansprechen ist da selten verkehrt. Man könnte auch sagen Barton Wright war 1902 seiner Zeit weit voraus und ist bereits in den 1980ern angekommen 😎😄 ... wenn es da nicht ähnliche Beispiele geben würde.

@Narguhl

3 ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps In diesem Kontext ergibt das absolut Sinn! Vor allem wenn man dann über eine Anpassung von Details etwas Wirksames draus machen kann obwohl (oder besser weil) man von der Quelle abweicht (aber die Kernidee dadurch besser umsetzt).

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Eben, es gibt nicht 'die eine Technik' und schon garnicht für jeden. HEMA kann immer nur eine Annäherung sein oder als Inspiration für modernes dienen.

@Narguhl

3 ай бұрын

@@OliverJanseps Ich glaube wir könnten viel Spaß miteinander haben. Aber Aachen ist ein Stück Richtung Westen :D Sehen wir uns in München beim Gathering 24?

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

@@Narguhl dann müssen wir den Spaß verschieben. Das Gathering bietet mir nicht die HEMA in dem ich unterwegs bin oder sagen wir ich habe für die Kurse so ziemlich nicht die passende Ausrüstung 😉 Das nächste große Event auf dem ich bin wird wohl die Tremonia Fechtschule sein. Aber Dortmund ist noch eine ganze Ecke weiter nördlich im Westen 🙃

Nothing new in martial arts. Similar principles in Ninpo Tai Jitsu, Kali/Escrima and other martial art systems using stick methods.

@OliverJanseps

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Humans come up with the same ideas for hurting others or lets say defending themselfs anywhere anytime 🙃

@TobiasHarms

Күн бұрын

Human mechanics are human mechanics. Our bones and joints are all built similar so it will look similar. The thing that changes is the way the stick looks and where it is used. That will have repercussions on how to use it.

😂

@OliverJanseps

14 күн бұрын

You're welcome 😁