Baroque Articulation for Woodwinds: Myth Busting

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Early Music Sources on Mensural Notation
• Mensural notation - th...
Ganassi's 1535 Flute Treatise (translated)
imslp.simssa.ca/files/imglnks...
Dalla Casa's 1585 Diminution treatise
ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/us...
Michel Corrette's 1740 Flute Treatise (2nd edition)
imslp.simssa.ca/files/imglnks...
Hotteterre's 1707 Flute Treatise (7th edition)
imslp.simssa.ca/files/imglnks...
Quantz's 1752 Flute Treatise (links to German & French versions)
imslp.org/wiki/Versuch_einer_...)
00:00 Introduction
00:21 Myth Busting
01:06 Earliest Sources
03:04 Hotteterre's System
04:53 Uniformity in the 18th Century
06:45 Quantz's System
09:57 Example Performance
11:08 Final Notes

Пікірлер: 27

  • @gnypp45
    @gnypp4511 ай бұрын

    1:37 LOL I wasn't prepared for this.😂😂

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    11 ай бұрын

    Haha!

  • @Frederer59
    @Frederer59 Жыл бұрын

    Saying the word "territory" as a Spaniard would say it with the "flipped" r immediately made sense to me for "ru" which was completely baffling to me at first as an old-stock Canadian. I basically articulate on my flute the same as I would "jazz-scatting" to myself walking down the street. Diddle is a must, especially for rip-snortin' fast CPE Bach concertos. Rachel Brown omg.

  • @andrewoliver7095
    @andrewoliver70953 жыл бұрын

    Ok this is epic

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @altkrause
    @altkrause Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thank you!

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I’m glad you liked it!

  • @SSilvergod
    @SSilvergod3 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful, thank you!

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome!

  • @joseptatay1873
    @joseptatay18733 жыл бұрын

    Amazing 👏👏👏 Thank you Andrew!!

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Josep Tatay thank you!

  • @knib864
    @knib8648 ай бұрын

    Interesting, and thank you for posting! Given Quantz' suggestion for slurring in fast passages, why do we see it taught that two notes slurred, two notes detached is more a phrasing used in Classical era music rather than baroque (examples give for baroque being a succession of two slurred notes, or three notes slurred and one note detached (or the reverse)? Also, are there sources that deal with which patterns of slurring to use and when, when playing baroque music (I guess it would be the same questions as when to bow change in the stringed instruments in baroque music)?

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    8 ай бұрын

    Hi thanks for watching. I’m not sure what you mean when you say ‘we see it taught’. I certainly see in places like the Ozi method du bassoon of 1803 where he very often uses successions of two slurred noted in fast passages (note: a method written near the end of his career). In the music of the 18th century I often see the slurring patterns being either a direction from the composer to help create a certain affect, or as a way of keeping the harmonic structure/larger compositional hierarchy clear to the listener. Just remember that we are the ones who classify the music of the 18th century into two categories, that of baroque and classical. They didn’t at the time. There was a plurality of styles at any given time, so I wouldn’t necessarily make a hard-and-fast rule about how one should slur. That being said, it might be worth looking up the Leopoldo Mozart treatise on playing the violin, and Georg Muffat's Observations on the Lully Style of Performance.

  • @sharpjs
    @sharpjs3 жыл бұрын

    Just starting to read my Quantz. Thanks for this video - I'll keep your guidance in mind and attempt to avoid the pedantry.

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad I could help! There is a lot of great stuff in there. Enjoy!

  • @zeljkogajic1840

    @zeljkogajic1840

    3 жыл бұрын

    Two years ago I started to learn traverso by myself. Very useful were some books, like J.D. Boland, Tromlitc, Rachel Brown, B. Kuijken. After almost 10 months of time, spent with Tromlitz, coming back to Quantz, I realised that what I could ketchup from Tromlitz was extremely useful for better understanding Quantz. I wish I watched this video much earlier.

  • @oboedj
    @oboedj3 жыл бұрын

    This is great stuff, thanks. Also, Quantzmania!

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    oboedj thanks! 💪💪💪

  • @steveh7866
    @steveh786610 ай бұрын

    Do I hear refernce to the BeeGees there? (Check Bill Bailey Bassoon)😜

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    10 ай бұрын

    I’m not sure it’s a conscious reference, but I certainly have seen everything by Bill Bailey!

  • @steveh7866

    @steveh7866

    10 ай бұрын

    @@burnbassoon Hehehe given the breadth of your video inclusions I guessed you might have. I've always been a string and percussion bod, but like exploring the mechanics of other disciplines. Your work is much appreciated

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    10 ай бұрын

    @@steveh7866thanks for watching!

  • @Frederer59
    @Frederer593 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Turkey-diddle diddle-turkey.

  • @comtaar2245
    @comtaar2245 Жыл бұрын

    And how does this relate to inégale?

  • @burnbassoon

    @burnbassoon

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi, as you can see in the Hotteterre section, the tonguing patterns are not equal. The syllable patterns are one way of demonstrating an inequality in note values which are otherwise printed the same.

  • @comtaar2245

    @comtaar2245

    Жыл бұрын

    @@burnbassoon yes, indeed. It’s interesting because one can be introduced to inégale as a concept on its own but here it is more like a consequence of tonguing. I think the idea that things should not sound too measured is probably a good principle to remember too.

  • @victotronics
    @victotronics3 жыл бұрын

    1. You're trying to pronounce "diddle diddle diddle" quickly in succession. That of course doesn't work. Try "diddle-liddle-liddle". Is that what you'd consider "modern double tonguing"? 2. Your video also doesn't mention "t-k-t-k" (or "d-g-d-g") which can be done very fast, but which recorder players generally advise against. Now I need to dig up my Quantz and see if he mentions that. 3. Does the interpretation of "ru" differ depending on your native language? I can only pronounce it as a flick forward of the (tip of the) tongue. But the "du" is also a forward tongue movement, and so naturally du-ru can never be fast because the tongue has to make an empty movement back in between. Questions.....

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