You sad that is aloowed to have a Alpha associated to you running on a 2 pc i dont think thats allowed because your evading the alpha restrictions, else someone could have 10 vms running with all alphas. And you could say now but its another pc there are ways from outside that you dont know if its another pc or just a vm. OFC its allowed to have ahlpha accounts but not looged in at the same time as an Omega, Only the Alpha alone.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

Well well well, you have a brilliant point to raise! untill you said this, i thougth the cover was "Players may only have one Alpha client logged in. A logged in client in Alpha state prevents logging in any other client, independent of whether they are Omega or Alpha at the time." which puts the alpha login as grey area because its a seperate pc. HOwever after looking a bit further, the EULA specifically states "You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose." So you are entirly correct!, and ironically it could alse mean if you are plexing for your account you cant multi box because its not a payment.... That also dose cover me here though, because it was a demonstration, and not playing, but ill caption over it to make sure its good

@1Erledus1

5 ай бұрын

jeah ^^ i mean plexing or paying doenst matter, it only matters omega state or not for that part(all omega or 1 alpha logged in at the same time)@@aloneinfinland

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

In theory, They could ban you for this, It happens but rare. Even on different computers. the rules state tied to 1 person. not 1 computer

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@karmabad4284 in theory they could ban me just for putting out a negative video. in eu law the contract has to be understood and agreed to. the video and my responce here shows there was a lack of understanding, this is a common point with eula's they havent been properly tested in courts. there is also the fact that is says playing. and as it was open as a display without being enguaged with its a grey area. but alas, i got new inffor and corrected. though im still wondering aout removing the video or weather just to do a better one.

@daveisnothere

5 ай бұрын

​@aloneinfinland technically speaking a second pc would have it's own license.

Thanks for the warning! I never use stuff like this since i only run 2 accounts but its always good to be informed. Subscribed.

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

you can have even more, you just cant input automation

I gotta be honest dude, I watched first 1-2 videos of Yours just because of Your lovely accent. I now come back for both the accent and the great videos You make

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

well thanks man thats much appreciated, my accent is far broken from when i was a kid, back then it sounded like nails on a chalkboard...

They still haven't banned the 8 bots in front of Jita 4-4. The ones that target, loot, and salvage faster than a human can react. Their on all day every day.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

they haven banned the guy i reported, who isint the one poeple keep mentioning in the comments, i'm looking at his KB every day and he is still ganking and dying.

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

as much as this entire video has set me off, I would agree the jita loot bots are very obvious

I multibox a lot, I don't use any programs to help me, I run everything on one PC. I've been accused to input broadcasting by other players salty they lost to a multiboxer, sometimes even just for using the in game fleet warp. I came from the starcraft community, I wouldn't underestimate how quickly people can input commands into multiple clients with a lot of practice.

@Coldwave1q2w

5 ай бұрын

Also I think people are forgetting that server registers things on cycles, I can quickly tab though and hit all my key shortcuts activating a lot of stuff that will come through on the same server tick.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@Coldwave1q2w i get what your saying as im a csgo vet, ive been accused of hacking repeatadly because ive been playing for nearly 2 decades and know where the wallbangs are.... and im not talking about fleet warp, funny fact, the guy i know dosent have those ships in a fleet when he dose what he dose making it more obvious :p however server ticks are 1 second for eve, we are talking 8 to 22 clients that ive seen, that are doing it instantly, i.e. 22 application switches, and 22 inputs in 1 second, to cause 22 clients to fire in the same server tick at someone, repeatadly. For reference the fastest typest ever managed 11 keystrokes per second. that dosent include time for the applicatiosn to load as they are switching. Im running an i9, with 7k m2 boards and 128 gb ram. even i get blips app switching between 2 clients. Its not just that its never been done, or that it would take a feat 4 times faster than the fastest ever recorded human, but that a quick google will show several of these superhumans exist in eve.... oh and the fastest ever record for jsut smashing a button was 16 times in 1 second, that was just smashing a button on a controller. so those 44 inputs are still 2.75 times faster thant the fastest ever human, if you assume the computer has zero latiency for everything.

@Coldwave1q2w

5 ай бұрын

@@aloneinfinlandwell I'm not saying everyone plays by the rules, just that not everyone is cheating either. While a lot of people hate multiboxing, not all multiboxers are cheaters.

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

Have you not had a chance to watch the video's of them doing 15 accounts?@@aloneinfinland

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

there is video's out there having hs gankers manually do it@@aloneinfinland

Yeah, getting Kusionised is extremely annoying.

Its only a matter of time before AI starts playing the game for people.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

most things that play the game are man made, so ai is already playing the game

@silvercat18

5 ай бұрын

Play EVE echoes and it really does - with AI cores.

Years ago I had a long chat with a guy who multiboxed 100+ ice miners as well as a small protection fleet of 10-15 more pilots. All of them were paid accounts and he ran all 100+ accounts on 2 pcs. One for the miners and one for the combat pilots. He ad actually been in contact with CCP and had their blessing. No multiclick software was used. Macgybo had video proof gankers in Jita were using software macros to run their ships. CCP did nothing, nada, zip to the offending accounts, bit you know if I use a multi-clicker or bot myself, I'd be caught immediately.

@MrMejIT

5 ай бұрын

Can't make sense of this. Why pay for 100 accounts to mine all ice and the value of the ice does not cover the sub cost. Seems no point? I have a similar player near me.

@grondhero

5 ай бұрын

@@MrMejIT When I first started, I talked to a guy who mined asteroids with ~20-30 accounts. When you scale up, especially using Orcas and/or Roquals, it will pay for itself, especially with how high you can get refining nowadays.

I also run 2 computers over multiple accounts. I use "mouse without borders" to get around having to use multiple keyboards or a KVM switch. It's a nifty bit of software that allows my mouse and keyboard to travel across the monitors as if it was a single PC, and its super easy to setup.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

ive use that in jobs but never a fan for my home setup, i am however very weird, e.g. i like my trackball for fps gaming ingeneral, which is why i have one, the reason my main is a mouse is because of the extra buttons

@Latoni.

5 ай бұрын

​@aloneinfinland I'm sorry what? You use a trackball for FPS games!?!? That blows my mind🤣 what FPS do you usually play with it?

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@Latoni. recently not much, its been on the second, but iw as playing CS since it was a mod with a drivable tank on one map with a trackball, most of the cods basically all my games since 2k until a few years back where my good one broke, switched to a logitech mouse, (tried one ball it was shit,) then when i built this rig i got another logi ball for the second. i have no problem switching between the 2 because ive been doing it so long.

@Latoni.

5 ай бұрын

@@aloneinfinland well props to you man that's insane. I don't think I would stand a chance with a trackball😂

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@Latoni. mates use to laugh at me, but i was shit hot with it. the only problem was grease on the ball. I guess its just what your used to, i see pros playing games with a controller, going'how tf are they doing that...'

@aloneinfinland that the player in question at ~8:00 was not banned immediately is often because bans come in waves. This makes it more difficult for the offending parties to find out what in particular got them banned in the first place. I do realize however that it does not directly apply here, as it would be based on a report by another player, but then again, they have to verify this internally, before they ban someone who has payed quite a bit for their omega status on multiple accounts (presumably).

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

The guy i know has been doing it for years, but you are right in this case they might be waiting for a ban wave. however that then means ccp should be restoring all the goods lost between the report and the bad, and ive never heard of them doing this. The other person mentioned here in the comments has been doing it with evidence and reports stretching back 4 years that ive seen.... i doubt their ban wave is that long.

I played EVE on launch. I really, and I mean Really hated that as a person who plays one character, was twice or more less useful than someone who's playing multiple accounts. This is the main reason I stopped playing altogether. I get the company wants money from subs but I feel like it ruins the game, and it certainly did for me.

I used to run a few computers and 5 - 6 accounts, mining, boosting, hauling, mission running and a salvager to save time, dropped them all for a while then CCP had troubles with emails, they were all different accounts and ages with various skill sets, a nice GM (not so sure now) moved them all to one email while the issues was sorted, wondering now would the lot get banned if someone complained, I had so many complaints when mining and attacks, using the 'you are a bot' from people, you know mining is slow and its easy to switch between pilots to transfer ore or ice to the booster (Orca). Not sure I would ever do it again as fleets of destroyers are far too easy to log and gank anyone they feel like.

for me its quite clear. CCP cares more about their money then actually enforce their rules, and ccp dont wanna loose the income from those accounts. so in the game im part of Horde, and the leadership there blatantly do whatever they want and have no issues breaking the game rules that should got them banned from the game many times over. the problem is their just too big, and ban entire leadership of a big alliance would just create too much issues, so then CCP rather just aint wanna deal with it, or agen loose the money all those people bring inn to them.

There are 2 wormhole players that evade bans. Both of them input broadcast multiple toons and get away with it. You can watch them all lock a pilot and fire at the exact same time. It has been reported but they have not received a ban.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

if you see people multi plexing report them, DO NOT however put their names out and get others to report them as this counts as abuse and you can be banned for this (this was specifically said to me in my communication with ccp)

@lukewarmcoffee8689

5 ай бұрын

@aloneinfinland they have been reported by multiple people, but ccp makes money off the 10+ omega subs. They are not going to ban someone that is paying them all that money.

@EVEILOnline

5 ай бұрын

Agree to report them, but often times I see people moan about behavior that looks suspicious but can easily be achieved within the rules. If you see 3-4 players all shoot at the same time, given Eve's 1s tick interval, I'd argue that is within the realms of possibility. When you start seeing 15 accounts synchronize, that's where I get suspicious

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@EVEILOnline true, thats where the problem comes, and if they are just warping it could just be one account using fleet warp on the other ones that where logged in. The one i was following however i saw the ganks, first one was 8 alts, and the guns all iniated at the same time, second was 15 alts and when he landed on grid had to align , all instantly, then guns iniating at the same times, they all threw points at the same instant. it was the most blatent ive seen. and unfortunatly ivee seen the player numbers decrease too. looking at the amount of responces that talk about multiplexing and multi boxing, im assuming that player drop is far larger than people realise. the daily player count could be 10k instead of the 30k its showing. putting it down at 2005 numbers, and some of them are alpha....

@MrMejIT

5 ай бұрын

Already considering leaving EVE altogether. I have 4 juicy accounts that ccp make great cash from. I am mainly industry. Unfortunately we have a playerwith multiple accounts mining out a hisec ice field and most likely using similar software to then kill any player that dares mine the field. Reported to ccp yet nothing done. Can't continue a game with an automated player doing this. They will plex all accounts with this method and paying players walk away. Bad business. Balder's gate 3 calls me. Looks like my bank manager will be happy and ccp not so much so.

A guy was bragging about making over 30bil since late December as a new player in the EVE forums, it's still there. I think the thread was titled about making isk solo, a new thread a few days old.

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

doable, difficult yes, needs knowledge, yes, prob needs connections

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@karmabad4284 the guy i had commenting was saying 80 billionin 50 days startimd as an alpha, not buying any isk and completly solo with no help. said he would show me the isk he had, but wouldent show the market api.....

@frankcoldwell4424

5 ай бұрын

@@karmabad4284 I think to accumulate over 30bil in less than a month is very difficult without something else going on. I’ve played in most areas of space in the close to 14 years of playing and never got close to making that kind of isk in that period of time.

we tried reporting a large chinese based alliance for this .. me and a friend got banned for 3 days and not them ..some people seem to be friends with certain GM's especially from the larger alliances ..most of them in my opinion are as bent as a dogs back leg .. i run 3 accounts on 3 monitors ..no software .. but no way at all anyone can run 5+ alts in combat without software to "help"

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

ah see i dissagree with this, it is possible. So a friend of mine at school 'Shug', says to the teacher in home economics, 'look miss i can juggle these eggs (12), he throws them into the air and they hit the ground, and she screamed at him 'wtf are you doing', he replied straight faces, 'i didnt say i could juggle them for very long'. Its possible, but not gonna work out well :p

@RobBob-wy2gm

5 ай бұрын

it is possible but not as well as they appear to do without help @@aloneinfinland

5:11 the way they word it, any ban can be called ann input automation ban

@jeremy_brent

5 ай бұрын

or you can only be accused of botting after a ban. (because the say -which have consequences-)

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

i kinda wonder if its the people who arent paying for the multiple accounts that getn ban hammered at the moment, or if tis just lax across the board. but thats because im a cynical arse...

@viridias

5 ай бұрын

I recall them giving a presentation on it, where they have an anti cheat in the game which is additionally reviewed by actual people, reporting moves priority for both. Of course this will need some time, as I do not know how long you watched them I can't tell if it may be in the works still That way while slow they do not ban people for fleet warping as it can look very similar from the outside.

Just use eve o preview u still have to manually click on each client but it helps if you have limited screens

It's just a "rule" it's not actually enforced,i've been ganked a few time by people using multi click software, depends on how much your paying for omegas if ccp do anything about it.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

"It's just a "rule" it's not actually enforced" isaid the same about speed limits in the UK :p

@almostcodm234

5 ай бұрын

The EF guy in Ahbazon uses the same multi click to control 6-7 Smartbombing machariels to turn on about 40+ smartbombs on the same tick Ccp knows about this but the only reason he isn't banned cause he is paying for omega for about 10+ accounts

@imperialinquisitor510

5 ай бұрын

@@aloneinfinland Yeah the difference to that is I have actual examples that I reported with some clip vidoes showing identical tackle and firing from nitro10220 nitro 10221 etc. Shame but i guess ccp is a company, you do what the whales say, i mean most of these people have 10+ more omega accounts, given the number of people on eve they prob make up a decent section of the actual use base and more importantly, the profits.

@imperialinquisitor510

5 ай бұрын

@@almostcodm234 Yup, rules only matter if it doesnt effect profits.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@imperialinquisitor510 yeah the more i hear about this the more it sounds like eve actually is dying. its player count has been declining for years, but now that it seems the norm is to have at least 3 accounts in omega, and some running more it looks like the actual players are far less than the player count, maybe less than a third. which would be less than in 2003 when it started. theres a guy where i mine in HS, who mines with 2 orcas and 8 exumers and explores with another. all his paid accounts, playes on his own, just mines, and explores. He isint multiplexing, i can see him switching targets on each account. but thats his jollies.

As Multi boxer of 15 Accounts My self i find it laughable that people use input broadcasting, to play the game when eve preview is all you need, period if you can't manage the accounts don't play really simple, i have multi boxed eve since 2003, never have i ever use any programs, to input broadcasting but then again i don't pve in any way shape or form, only pvp/gank Pirate of eve for life !!!

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

15 accounts at the same time in 2003? so you where paying 300e a months for this back in 2003

@tizzerpheonix7602

5 ай бұрын

15 account a month from 2003 was £105

@tizzerpheonix7602

5 ай бұрын

it jumped to 145 in 2009 and now it like 165 a month

@local9

5 ай бұрын

@@tizzerpheonix7602 gotta love that multi-account discount.

actually running an alpha can be done on the same computer as they are not allowed to be connected at the same time anyway ;) different computer or not, makes no difference.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

i was talking about simultaneous connections, as you can see from the vid i had two open clients one one pc and another open on the other that was in alpha state, you cant have 2 open alphas or an omega and an alpha open on a computer with an omega open. there is litterally 2 open omegas and an open alpha in the video, so with 2 pc's you can open both as i demonstrated.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

i just read this again i i think your mistaking charictar slots for accounts. just to be clea, this is 3 seperate accounts. 2 in omega and one still in alpha state. not 3 charictars on the same account.

@TheBrianPiano

5 ай бұрын

You are allowed to have alpha accounts, while having Omega accounts. But it is against the EULA to circumvent the restriction of having the alpha account online in game, at the same time as your omega accounts. FYI@@aloneinfinland

@nullx8

5 ай бұрын

@@FuaConsternation i meant if you have more than ONE active game sessions, ALL have to be omega. regardless how many computers are involved.

Input broadcasting is really hard to prove--this is the main problem.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

that is what they have said, and that is absolute horseshit. their fist automated botting detetors is all that is needed, circa 2006. It monitors input times, and gets info from both client and server side, it is still running aat the moment. This system specifically can detect multiple accounts activating modules at the same time, and can cross reference by IP, mac address account infor and pc sig. 15 clients activating their guns on the same ip at the same instant, easy detection, espically because they have the info from both servar and client. on tp of thatn repeated patters are detected. so a group all warping at the same instant without being in a fleet, etc. they not only have the tools since 2006/7 they made some big presentations about them to the fan base at the time. So the fact they are claiming (and they said this directly to me) that they cant do it, is not lazy or stupid, but they are lying. everything in eve is logged. its is a delibrate action not to do anything about this. Its understandable, someone paying 15 subs to go ganking, is alot of money, the problem and the reason its idiotic, is allowing this toxic behavious is alienating new players. Just look at the multiplexer thats been mentioned, the amount of people commenting their hate at ccp because of this, and the ppeople that have quit over it. for every comment there is at least 10 more that have done the same (old statistics theory). i know alot of people that left eve over just normal gankers like code, i wonder how many these kids have chesed off.

@Revolutionarythought

5 ай бұрын

@@aloneinfinland I am guessing input broadcasting software can build in a slight delay that's good enough that it makes it within the realm of possibility someone is manually handling the inputs. Then you are asking a GM to decided whether or not someone is actually input broadcasting, and making a decision on whether or not a person--potentially with *many* paid accounts ought to receive a ban. So I sympathize with the notion it is hard to prove, and asking a GM to make a decision that could not just affect CCP's bottom line, but also potentially the years a person has invested in a hobby, by banning them from the game, based solely on an interpretation of input times.

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

@@Revolutionarythought input broadcasting can build in a delay and randomise position of clicks, but again this was solved, they did a 2 hour presintation on it. but also, delay or no delay, look at some of the videos of the person names by other people (again not the guy i know) and you will see what my guys is doing, instant activation of 15 accounts. you cannot physically do that without broadcasting. so its easy detection in these ccases and they arent being banned. the guy mentioned is bees, the guy i know runs with code but isint part of them. your argument s flawed, its not soley on input times, its on repeatad events that are impossible to expplain. By that logic you could say its not far to ban an aimbotter in csgo just because he repeatadly snapped 180 and killed someone he couldent see through a wall. We arent talking about 2 accounts that seem to activate modules at the same ish time. we are talkign about 8 plus accounts (on video of the mentioned guy showed 22) that activate their accounts instantly every time. the only way to tab through 15 screens in under 1 second (eves tick rate) and activate at least one module per screen is broad casting or macroing, which is considered the same as broadcasting for bans. Also remember while the server tick rate is 1 second, the log is more accurate.

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

its not automated as not everyone accused is input broadcasting / botting@@aloneinfinland

Wait, you didn't say "disconnect"?

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

im sorry ill get it in the next one one i prommise, i think my brain was a little disconnected :p

for comparison i take around 3-5B a day playing in HS with 5 toons. :)

I have a 55" 4k monitor, if i make the windows small enough i can easily have up to 30 clients logged in on the screen cascaded to be able to use them all. dont need any programs to play eve.

Everybody knows you can't bot and input broadcast. Don't be rediculous.

@aloneinfinland

2 ай бұрын

lol

I don't get it.. So it's bannable to multibox and have a program click your buttons.. But it's cool if you multibox but click your own buttons..

@teeborg1519

5 ай бұрын

you do get it lol

@teeborg1519

5 ай бұрын

you do get it lol

@teeborg1519

5 ай бұрын

you do get it lol

@teeborg1519

5 ай бұрын

you do get it lol

@karmabad4284

5 ай бұрын

its as simple as that, account switching / cascading screens, is a very normal thing (even swaping which screen up) as long as its 1 button do do that vs a macro that does a few things.

This is called input broadcasting…. This is illegal

thats not multiboxing at all. thats cheating. MBing means simply running multiple clients at same time on same PC which ALL MUST BE OMEGA AND ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO PER EULA

Kusion?…

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

this confused me for so long, but no.

Talk about Rumer mongering. You relize that if a person is ganking with multiple accounts, He's being watched like a hawk by ccp for doing things wrong, Many of which stream how they do it to show that they are doing it manually. So there as long its 1 button 1 action, you can absolutely use programs that help organize your screens (Eve o Preview has been the safest) Just dont bot, or use marco's, its simple

@aloneinfinland

5 ай бұрын

yeah if you watch the video im mention that, but you cant have 22 accounts fire at the same time without imput broadcasting. its physically impossible and would get you in the guiness book of records if you could.