Bad Gear - Roland System-8
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Welcome to Bad Gear, the show about the world's most hated audio tools. Today we are going to talk about Roland System-8. Is this soon abandoned flagship synthesizer, little sibling of System-1, part of the Roland Aira range, virtual analog synth, Roland Cloud plugout host and overall eye-sore a future classic or just another expensive plastic toy? Is it worthy of the rich Roland Jupiter-8 and Roland Juno-106 legacy?
Thanks to Klangfarbe for helping me out with one of their Roland System 8 floor models:
www.klangfarbe.com/
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro tune
00:58 Overview Roland System-8
01:35 System-8 vs. System-1
01:43 Native System-8 Engine, ACB Models
02:00 Main Oscillators (SuperSaw, PWM, FM, Cowbell)
02:37 Sub Oscillator, Noise, Sync, Ring Mod
03:00 Filter Section, Self-Oscillation, Filter Types
03:40 Modulators (Envelopes, LFO)
03:55 FX Section (Reverb, Delay, Modulation, Distortion)
04:15 Vocoder
04:26 One-knob-per-function UI
04:41 Vintage Emulations (Jupiter-8, Juno-106, JX-3P)
05:06 Roland Cloud, Boutiques, Polyphony
05:26 Condition, Polyphonic Sequencer, Parameter Automation
05:57 Arpeggiator, Multitimbrality, Performance Mode
06:22 What Else??? (Pricing, Thanks)
06:48 Hate
07:13 Jam 1 (Futuristic Bass)
08:04 Jam 2 (Vintage Drum'n'Bass)
09:02 Finale (Synth Rock)
09:31 Verdict
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@pleasure1689
Жыл бұрын
The is one thing that really kills me about some of Roland's newer synths. The sound modeling system they use is called Zenology. You can use this this with any DAW for $20 a month. Essentially this makes purchasing a $1500 Usd keyboard pointless.
@skeletonmodel
Жыл бұрын
Im looking to sell my Waldorf Micro-Q. Could you please make an episode about that? You kinda drove up the prices on the oberheim I was looking at, so it would be fair ;)
@darrelldourte9455
Жыл бұрын
I don't think he "checked all the boxes" in this demo. Love your work...quite the tunesmith also.
@bugetraver
Жыл бұрын
Hallo Audiopilz, ich schreibe 😊 hier auf Deutsch, da mein Englisch is Not very good😅. Verfolge deinen Kanal, fast seit dem Anfang und wollte Dir mal ein Riesenlob für den Kanal aussprechen. Niemand sonst hier, auf KZread schafft es Hardware, Humor und tolle Sounds zu einem so stimmigen und unterhaltsamen Ganzen zu zaubern. Ich hoffe du knackst bald die 100000 Abos und bringst und dann ein 12 Stunden Set, mit allen jemals getesten Geräten. Liebe Grüße vom Kaiserstuhl
@chriswindle3392
9 ай бұрын
Sorry audiopilz, I watch all your vids and I love your comments on all pieces, I just love my system 8 with all the good bits and not so good bits. ❤️
I love how every time the show starts you got that huge ear to ear smile. Because who can't smile when a new fun weird synth is in front of you!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
So happy to hear that, thanks!!!
I like the increased jams in the episode . Despite the downsides it seems that you had fun exploring it . Great show 😊
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
I absolutely love the System 8. Fell in love with it on Roland Cloud. Superb sounding synth. I'm also one of the three people in the world who likes Roland's Aira green and black vibe.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
I've grown accustomed to the green by now too;)
@fatheroflies
Жыл бұрын
I've loved cheesy black and bright green since I was a kid. My aspie brain would love the whole world to look like that
@digitalcommandos303
10 ай бұрын
4 people ;)
@jaderington
10 ай бұрын
I quite like it now. Its not too bad when you own it in real life. I have a system 1
@digitalcommandos303
10 ай бұрын
I have the system 1….. would love the 8 as well. Is the keybed more synthy than the system 1? Keys are horrible on that.
System 8 is the most underrated Roland synth ever. It's a beast and keep receiving updates from Roland.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@CatmanJimbo
Жыл бұрын
What updates has it gotten? No snark, legitimately curious as I’ve almost gone for one of these several different times
@ronanbax6102
Жыл бұрын
@@CatmanJimbopretty sure the (pseudo) FM update was the biggest update to the engine to date.
@Ambientnauts
Жыл бұрын
Does it have channel aftertouch now?
@ronanbax6102
Жыл бұрын
@@Ambientnauts 99% sure it does not. The closest thing you get is an expression pedal input that can only control volume
A lot of the sounds you are getting out of this synth are absolutely incredible and surpass the greatness of more expensive and more world-renowned synths. Fucking legend
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
I'll be so happy once you hit 100k subs, you deserved it way sooner with how much work you've put into all these videos. It's definitely my favorite series on YT for music hardware :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! Working on it!!!
@helisoma
Жыл бұрын
there with you...get the word out and let's get this channel the love it deserves 😎👍🏻
@garyhendrie4001
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Fantastic channel that ticks all the right boxes.
I could live with this piece of gear and be happy for a long time. Great video brother!!! 🔥👊🧡👍🔥
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@theriveryeti2426
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! That thing sounds amazing (and was played amazingly).
I really dig your inspiring jams on the "bad" gear. Thank You!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you so much for the support!!!
Finally, the best synthesizer in the world on Bad Gear
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Bald claim;)
@MT-mt8bd
10 ай бұрын
Walk tall, speak the truth.
amazing video man, impressive amount of work and effort you put into this, quality content.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
This synth is being used by touring musicians everywhere. Howard Jones has three of them on stage. Heaven 17 has used it on stage for years. Jean Michel Jarre uses one extensively. Among MANY others...so it can't be all that bad. Sure wish it had more patch storage though.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, 64 slots aren't that much...
@ScottsSynthStuff
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall I agree. I love the sound of it, but there are some boneheaded Roland design choices (particularly in its ridiculous MIDI implementation) that make me wish for...well, more.
@godzil42
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz At least with an SD card it is quite fast at banking them in/out, but yeah it is limite :'(
@jdmjesus6103
Жыл бұрын
I lent a keyboard and synth to a member of heaven 17 once, she helped inspire me to start using them again.
@GizzyDillespee
Жыл бұрын
Many of those Roland Artists are called that for a reason tho, and the synths' premium pricing helps support that system (which is fine with me).
Incredible timing! Mine arrives tomorrow! Thank you for the massive boost of confidence my money went to a good place.. thank you for the proper demo and your delivery is unmatched! Aloha from Hawaii 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! Aloha!!!
Consistently throwing down and delivering the goods. Your vids are soooooo good.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
I've had my System 8 for about 3 months and i love it. I'm no expert in this field but i've had a few synths. I started with a Yamaha Motif XS6 which sounded great but was very complicated to program. The system 8 is very straight forward and it's easy to create very complex sounds. I've made some truly amazing sounding patches, sounds that i have never heard before which i find exiting. The only downside for me is saving your patches over writes the pre-sets. No big deal as long as you back up everything to SD card. Also i would have liked a built in Drum kit and a large colour screen. Apart from that it is a very capable and addictive machine. I would recommend it to anyone beginner or pro.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@Matt-zp1jn
11 ай бұрын
Controller, Sequencer w/screen - Aira TB-3 Nice acb Drums - Aira TR-8 +exten. (w/606,626,707,808,909) ACB Synth - Aira System-8 , + 3 Plugouts! (Jup 8, Juno 106, JX3P) new V2, updates ACB mini Synth - Aira System-1 , + 1 plugout (Se-2, Promars, Jup 4) Mixer - MX-1 = A very underrated synth setup with lots of options, versatility, fun, ACB sound, lots of Synth plugout options! 😎
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
Would the loss of the presets be that big a deal? One thing Roland has been notorious for is having presets that by and large do nothing to showcase what you can wring out of the instrument.
Absolutely LOVE my System-8. ACB kicks the crap out of ZEN-Core any day.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
ACB 4 life!!!
Wow, this thing sounds good! And I love the 100% knob per function. 😍
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
😀😀😀
Great episode!! You nailed it!! 😊
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
The most paused videos on the internet
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
😀😀😀
@philosophiaentis5612
Ай бұрын
Came here most for the memes but those are so quick that I have to pause the video all the time.
LOL. Roland should be paying you. The System 8 popularity just went through the roof. Love your videos... best quick gear demo/reviews on the Web.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@h2o1969
Жыл бұрын
This is the truth. I never really thought about it, but he really goes deep quick, and I feel balanced and honest with the pros and cons. A lot of the time, I feel the show should be called "It Could Have Been Better Gear". Not very catchy though.
I truly believe the System-8 was the peak of the Aira franchise, not in terms of sucess but rather wasted potential. Their train of thought was: "Let's bring our classics synths back in a new, flashy way" > "People are unimpressed?! Why?? Well, let's give them "authentic" feel with the Boutiques!" > "What?! People wanted full-size, 8-voice synths all along? Ugh, fine." > "Whatever, just release the Jupiter-X"
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
True that!!!
@sub-jec-tiv
Жыл бұрын
‘We need to male sure the structure of patches is completely insane though, because if it were easy to use it might be fun.’
@vmppvm8763
Жыл бұрын
I actually think it would look pretty cool if it was just RGB instead of all green. The plastic case sucks for a "flagship" synth though.
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
Jupiter X is a failure in its own way, you should never have to menu dive if you have a proper surface control, this is where the X falls down hard. ACB is better than Zencore in some ways too. In both instances, tRoland got both interfaces wrong, yet again.
@gabepollack8382
Жыл бұрын
If only they had released the Jupiter-X w/ ACB instead of ABM or came out with a System 8 that was five octave and of a more professional look + construction. or ACB boutiques that were maybe a bit larger with quarter-outs and the number of voices it says in the damn name. or made more original great sounding synths that aren't always somewhere on the spectrum between do it all workstation and toys cashing in on nostalgia for the past. they really know not what they are doing with their synth line.
Another space filled on my "My Bad Gear" bingo card. I love owning things from this list. A good keybed with aftertouch would have taken this one from great to awesome.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Congrats!!!
@ericpeters0n
Жыл бұрын
I honestly think this thing just gets hated on because it's so hideously ugly. It always sounds pretty damn good to me, and I'm a mostly-pointlessly-analog-purist these days...
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
Aftertouch, and a lower price on the used-gear-vulture marketplace :D
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
@@ericpeters0n I can't go with "hideously ugly." I'll take the Aira-esque Matrix-meets-modern-music black and green over the JD-Xa's all hands to action stations we're under attack red :P.
Here's an idea for a Patreon perk: include a meme pack featured in the episode. ( Because they flash so fast that one must rewatch and pause for full effect)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Great idea, thanks!!!
@SlaserX
Жыл бұрын
Pleeeeease make this. The jams are dope, but most of us are living for those memes ❤
@obshaky
Жыл бұрын
@@SlaserX agreed. These memes are perfectly usable elsewhere with minor lazy modifications.
@denovaire
Жыл бұрын
Super idea!
@stepans2167
5 ай бұрын
Omg this is gold. Pleeeeeease
@9:00 again not only a perfectly polished and enjoyable review but another magical finale...your energy is really an inspiration for me to push my own creative boundaries 👍🏻🙏🏻
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that!!! Thanks!!!
I always go to like these videos at the end but then scroll down to realise that I already have while it was playing. Great content as always :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Surprisingly good sounding and versatile! Great episode, Flo :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
I love my System 8, especially because of the ACB plug outs. Your criticisms are on point. I wish Roland would make a version 2 of this thing with better build quality and more expansive ACB capabilities. The ZenCore stuff is fine but not as sonically interesting as their ACB stuff.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm afraid the focus is on ZEN now
@SlaserX
Жыл бұрын
100%, with more keys, after touch, and more plug outs at least.
@minimal3734
Жыл бұрын
To my ears ZenCore is inferior to ACB.
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
@@AudioPilz Yep, pretty much everything coming out of Roland nowadays is "How many different ways can we neuter the ZEN code base and how many different sizes and shapes of boxes can we hide it in before they stop spending their money here?" :|
The only YT channel I watch on my laptop with my finger hovering over the space bar so I cant stop the video to see all the added pics. 😁
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
😀😀😀
Roland's greatest hits in one plasticky box - super versatile and can sound fantastic if you get away from the factory patches and the lousy Reverb. The System 8 engine sounds like modern sequel to the JP-8000 at times - if you turn the Condition knob into the negatives it does indeed sound like a JP-8000 (which is handy). The SBF Filters are from the V-Synth. Filter #3 -18dB is the TB303 filter. The Vintage filters are impressive, and allow for fanciful scenarios like JP-8000 SuperSaws through a Juno filter + Chorus. The updated FM engine does the DX7 greatest hits. You can use the Motion Sequencer as a 2nd LFO. The FX section can do some wild stuff, if you dig into the hidden parameters in the menus. And you get the all 3 FX lanes for both Layers, with 4 notes of polyphony! And most of all, with the latest ACB Circuit Mod firmware, it has a far more realistic Juno than that 'flagship' Zencore-based Juno-X. Not to mention the other PlugOuts - the Juno 60 and Jupiter 4 are outstanding. Just a pity about the build quality, looks, 49 keys, weird shape (which means it doesn't fit in common road-cases), and some bugs with Performance Mode, all of which make me reluctant to use it on gigs these days. C'mon Roland, give us a proper System 16!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Reminded me of the JP-8K too!!!
@fmartins777
Жыл бұрын
System - X
Wow I caught it on time! You are doing the lord's work keeping us appreciating the gear we own so we can feed our pets
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Yay! My Omni Man arpeggiator meme was featured in an episode of Bad Gear. Finally, a life achievement that tops my Masters Thesis! I'm over the moon right now.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Nice one, thanks!!!
I don't know how you keep making great music on bad gear with new hilarious video backgrounds every week. Amazing. And yes, this Roland would be bad gear even if it didn't have the green lights. But the sub oscillator is very good!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! I try not to mess around too much;)
Thank God it’s Friday!! Awesome episode! Now I want a system 8! 😅
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Have a nice weekend!!!
@leewightman8619
Жыл бұрын
Me too
@SlaserX
Жыл бұрын
Get one, you physically can not get bored of one unless you hate the cream of the 80s Roland analog crop
Excellent sounding synth!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
👍
Your jams are always badass! Thank you for always brightening our day and giving us our synth fix with your great videos. Might I suggest the Roland Juno DS61 to be featured on the awesomeness that is your show, Bad Gear.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! Great suggestion!!!
Awesome jam, I don't know how you do it but you pull amazing things out of theses devices.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
As an owner of a System 8 I knew this day would come. Time to watch someone call my baby ugly 😅
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
I'd never!!!
@C01dEyes
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz I've had mine now for about 3 years and even though it has limitations there's so much I've been able to do with the production wise. Being able to simulate classic Roland synthesizers have saved me a bundle of money and time trying to track down old hardware that might need to be fixed up.
I love anything Roland ACB. I own the TB-03, TR-08, T-8 and J-6 and they are all at near analog strength in the mix. At one point the synth community seemed aghast to learn that ACB was actually software, but I guess Roland just owned it with the Plug-Out trademark--they know how to roll with the punches. Yesterday's "computer controlled" lead to today's plug-outs. Another great show! Thanks!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Big ACB fan here too
@poofygoof
Жыл бұрын
I was skeptical when the TR-8 and ACB came out but after hearing it live, I was convinced it captured some of the magic of the originals. As an owner of the 606 and 707/727, the expansion pack for TR-8 seemed to get things right, within expected unit variation. I honestly think the Aira line will be considered its own vintage in another decade or two...
@rorz999
Жыл бұрын
ACB is still the best sounding VA I've heard. I'm glad the synth community at large recognises its brilliance now
@MSM5500
Жыл бұрын
Initially I used to have three pieces of JU-06 boutique then traded them in for System-8. Apart from they aren't patch compatible I wasn't able to reproduce accurately some specific Juno-106 sounds with JU-06 for some reason. But System-8's Juno-106 plug-in/out reproduces that patch just spot on. I believe it happens due to boutiques aren't the same as System 8 in terms of ACB implementation. The fact is that System-8 is the most advanced synthesizer Roland ever produced so far. It's got tree times more powerful hardware than Jupiter-X (3 BMC processors vs 1)
@poofygoof
Жыл бұрын
@@MSM5500 I wouldn't be surprised if the boutique units are stripped-down or otherwise "optimized" even if they are based on the same core designs. The polyphony on the JP-08 is hobbled, for instance. I wonder if anyone's done a multi-way compare between the roland cloud VSTs, system-8 plug-outs, boutiques, and originals?
That is the strange duality of the new Roland stuff, everyone says that it shouldn't be good due to this and that and plastic and whatnot, but then when you actually play around with it, the interface is intuitive and the sound is fantastic. I do with the System-8 had aftertouch though, that would've made it quite a good main polysynth I think.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's still a Roland
"(...) a pricing strategy deeply rooted in denial of reality." Writing doesn't get better than this. Thanks again for the great content.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
Only Werner Herzog could come close to trying decipher the corporate psyche of Roland. They haven’t put out anything that caught my attention in several years, with maybe the exception of the boutique D-50 because I was looking for that board’s soundset at that exact time.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
True that!!!
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
@@AudioPilz Have enough people said enough bad things about the D-05 for you to give it the treatment?
Nice one as always, bro! (You are reaching a next level of meme madness & GIF swiftness 😂) I love the System-8 as its Jupiter-8 emulation is sonically definitely the closest to the sound of the OG, currently on the market (or in recent years at least) imo….However, I think the Jupiter-X is very DOPE as well….Anyway: GOOD VIBES, mayne!! Have a great weekend.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Have a nice one too!!!
Wieder tolles Video, du hast mir den System-8 jetzt doch fast verkauft.... Zum Glück bin ich in den Ferien.👍👍
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Danke!!! Gerade noch einmal davon gekommen;)
Really like the System 8 concept. Wish they would have added some of those basic features and a few more voices. But, as mentioned, this sounds really great.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!!!
@willdorak985
Жыл бұрын
80'S synthesizers didn't have much more than 8 voices.
This will be considered a vintage classic in 10 years
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
That's probably right!
@chriswindle3392
9 ай бұрын
I love my synths and I know for sure my system8 is probably the best synth I've used ❤️
SUCH a sick sequence in that first jam! 💯💯 ...AND I FINALLY figured out how to rewind less than 10-seconds!🕺🕺
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rocco!!!
@hut48
Жыл бұрын
Please share how 🤣
@Rompler_Rocco
Жыл бұрын
@@hut48 I'm on the Android KZread app... ok, so, when you tap the screen and the red progress bar appears, I'm holding my finger on the red dot (which indicates how far into the video you are) and sliding up. That action pulls up a "frame view" on the bottom which allows you to shuttle backwards and forwards more precisely. No more spending 40 seconds at a time trying to catch a meme! Good luck! 👍👍
@Space_pulse
Жыл бұрын
@@Rompler_Rocco thanks for the tip. Works on my iPhone, too
@infindebula
Жыл бұрын
Nice one. It takes me about a half hour to watch a 10-minute Bad Gear episode as I rewind and freeze-frame on the memes.
Man, your jams are amazing.
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
His mother's honey is even better. Oh no I di ant!!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@dankeplace
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz cmon, I was pretty funny too, jams and honey!!! MEME ME!!!! lol
Roland really knows how to do the "gamer hardware" design for synthezisers.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
Great video again, and fantastic arrangements showing off your talent!! The System 8, despite it's flaws, is the one I would first turn on in my studio when I want to be inspired, it sounds so great and the one-knob-per-function makes it so immediate and fun. It isn't quite as organic as my JX-8P, but it still sounds/feels like a real instrument to me. I do wish though it had an extra octave of keys, and more plug in slots.
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
Roland should have made a proper ACB JX-8P plugout, instead of that poxy fake template wrapping around Zen Core they made with ABM for JX-08 etc.
@cosmicaddress7851
Жыл бұрын
@@Wagoo I agree! if only we could load the PG-8X as a plugout :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That sums it up nicely
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
@@cosmicaddress7851 PG-8X kinda healed a gaping hole in my brain. I let the 90s slide by without jumping on a JX-8P when people were selling 'em cheap, and always regretted it. I'm eagerly anticipating Martin's upcoming rewrite, which should squish some anomalies I've noticed using the plugin on my linux box.
Sounds great (still after six years), a bit expensive, has limitations. It has competition but it's still a powerful and useful bit of kit that works well in its ecosystem.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
That sums it up nicely!
love your chanel! great humor and lots of information
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
The System-8 was my first "real" synth, and I never regretted buying it. If people can only look at the material and "green LED" and judge it only on that, well. It is not cheap, but there is actually quite a lot of tech inside, ACB is not something really efficient en term of computational power, just have a look at the ACB VSTs how much CPU they use..
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Never tried them in VST form. Thanks for posting!
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz they are the "legends" series or whatever in Roland Clod
@ntrnlgrv
3 ай бұрын
This is my first hardware synthesizer also. I sometimes have questioned if the price was worth it, but with all its possibilities even though some limitations, I don’t regret it.
Oh man! You finally got one of my pieces of gear! I was able to land a used System 8 in excellent condition for a great price, and I bought it primarily for the plug outs. I figured that’s the closest I’d be able to get to a Jupiter 8. It has a 106 and a JX3P on board too, and I was happy. What made me happier was several months after my acquisition, Roland released a Juno 60 plug out. I couldn’t download it faster! Replaced the 106 and now finally have that J60 sound back in my rig. I sold my J60 decades ago and regretted it since about 3 weeks later. So the ACB version is a good substitute. I actually don’t like the Aira sound engine, but after watching this, I might get into it more. Thanks!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Big ACB fan here!!!
@mrz80
8 ай бұрын
Everyone who sold a Juno back when analogs were getting dumped deeply regrets it, as do all of us who didn't take advantage and *buy* one when they were pennies on the dollar :D
OK, I was with you on all the Roland Boutique stuff, but I have to take this one personally! The System-8 is versatile, reasonably easy to use and sounds absolutely incredible, especially in the hands of someone like Gattobus (or yourself). Like all hardware it has a few limitations, but I actually love this thing overall. Personally I've gone for the Juno-X instead, but I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to have a System-8 in my rig! :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
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@errorkit
11 ай бұрын
incredible? what Synths did you play in the Past?
Yet again absolutely killed it in the end.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
just got the roland SH-4d would love to see it on the show and hear your thoughts, great ep as always !
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great suggestion!!!
The only thing I hate about the SYSTEM 8 is the plastic body. But other than that, it's one of the best synthesizer I have ever own.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
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The plug out idea was awesome. Wish more companies did such a thing but it’s not the best move if you are a synth company trying to squeeze as much money out of people as possible.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Didn't Arturia do something like that?
@MrOuija-rr8kq
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz I don’t know. Did they?
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz I think you are talking about the Arturia Origin? It loads in components of an ancient version of V Collection. It sounds like it'd be crap but actually it's an amazing sounding synth.. you can also build your own synth architectures in there by combining and routing components from one synth to components from another. There are also "templates" which are less heavy to run than the modular system, so you get more polyphony. They only did Minimoog and Jupiter-8 templates for it though. A CS-80 template was promised, but never came. You can just build your own with the modular system still.. but you get less polyphony that way
How could anyone hate on the design, the green lights looks sick, especially in a room with some LEDs, can't wait to get mine.
Holy the editing on this one was next level 🎉
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
Another very well done episode! I heard the Juno 60 is cool
@voodoohex72
Жыл бұрын
yes it sounds great just like the rest of the plugouts for this thing. ACB rocks imo. Sold my juno 106 when I got my system 8 and never looked back.
@shaunmadison99
Жыл бұрын
@@voodoohex72 oh really?!?!??! Nice!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Great video. I still think this is the best VA synth Roland manufactured until today!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! I like the System engine quite a bit!
@slipknotboy555
Жыл бұрын
It does sound good! I have a JP-8000, and honestly, the System 8 seems to kinda blow it outta the water. The JP-8k has achieved sort of legendary status - but it's pretty thin sounding. And this has significantly more features.
@SlaserX
Жыл бұрын
@@slipknotboy555 thank you for that. I have a System 8 and love it, and a Virus, but as a VA-Head, I've always wanted a JP-80x0, it calls to me, and I have to remember that I just don't need it.
@ericpeters0n
Жыл бұрын
Not as versatile, but the tiny S1 sounds smokin' to me as well!
Great episode! Looking forward to an episode on the V-Synth! It's not bad gear, but I don't think that should stop you 😆
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion, thank you!!!
Considering the System 8 is primarily a flexible container for vintage synths, if they had made the look of the board more of a vintage styling, they probably would have sold five times as many units.
@AudioPilz
11 ай бұрын
Agreed!!!
You nailed the drawbacks. But even with all of them, it’s obvious you found out what makes the System 8 so good: how musical it is. It’s just really easy to jump in and start making stuff with it. As many downsides as it has, it’s still a go-to synth for me.
@JustinEdwords
Жыл бұрын
also, its built in synth engine is nothing to sniff at. my other favorite is the JX-3P - now with the 1000 dollar knob bank
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
YESSS. The trifecta is complete, all of my roland toys have been given their time.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Bad Gear Bingo!!!
I've never been more sad when one of your jams faded out as the closer this time, it sounds incredible.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!❤️❤️❤️
Everyone focuses so much on the plugouts that I didn't even know about the VA on there. It's not bad!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed it quite a bit too!!!
personally, i love my system-8!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
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Your timing is impeccable. Just this week I was offered one of these in trade for a vintage Korg I'm selling. Like offering a Kia for a used Porsche lol. Thanks for posting this!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are some Kias I would definitely prefer to some Porsches;)
I've been using these live since '17 or '18. Works well for what I need. Also, I love the green disco lights!
@AudioPilz
6 ай бұрын
Nice!!!
this inspired me to try to fix my system-1's keybed ... again
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
System-1 is actually really nice (except for the keybed;)
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
yeah thankfully the keybed on the Sys-8 may be crap, but at least it doesn't break. Sys-1m fixes that.. then you need to get scatter back with the Roland AIRA Scooper eurorack module
Im leaning towards a deepmind 12. Apparently a Roland sound while retaining analog for 1/2 the price ish. And queakable in differnt ways. I like how S8 has an array of knobs, and it has all botiques in one box, great for at home, not so much while on the go. But if you get one, it will likely retain its value for resale, so thats a plus and really no risk to try it out. ♦️🔺️❤️🔺️♦️
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
Deepmind 12 uses the Juno 106 voice architecture, however without the same chorus circuit. Its real strength is all the built in effects.. and an 8 slot mod matrix where you can modulate the parameters of those effects. Something the Moog One still can't do. The System-8 sounds great, though. Nails the Juno and Jupiter sound way more accurately than the later Jupiter-X/Juno-X releases.. which come in nicer cases but don't have much brains
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Deepmind is super tempting!
I had Werner Herzogs voice in my head reading this and it was too funny. Well done!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Same here;) Thanks!
Having seen the Roland Gaia on your show (which I own and enjoy), I am now tempted to get the system 8 😅
Its one the best synth on the market 😊
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
There's some tough competition tho;)
@NobiSAINT
6 ай бұрын
@@AudioPilzlike Which one would you pick over this?
@maydaygoingdown5602
2 ай бұрын
@@NobiSAINT Novation Summit for 1 example. REV 2 for another. I could go on...
I have plenty of wish list improvements for the version 2 they’ll never make, but even with its flaws, the System-8 is awesome.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, V2 would be great!
Never used one but i always found this to be a cool value for someone needing those sounds. The panel sends full ccs so it would make an amazing controller for other vsts too
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Great collection of Boutique sounds;)
@0e0
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz expensive midi controller tho ;oP
Another great video with banger jams! Would love to see you try some no input mixing
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! Great suggestion!!!
System 8 is what happens when you take the green pill in the Matrix. The Weeknd's "Blinding Lights" is about this synth. 🤣. Love your channel!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Lol
I totally saw the video. This comment is not for the algorithm.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
#truth
@iancain6647
Жыл бұрын
The algorithm knows...
@entropybentwhistle
Жыл бұрын
@@iancain6647 I always wondered how algae make these rithms, but when I ask all I hear is a voice shouting back “Science, bitch!”
@dustyaudio
Жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen a “survey” for a comment before today… I told KZread this comment is 1. “Excellent” & 2 “Shows support to the creator” 😂
How dare you? HOW DARE YOU? I got one for 900€ and it's my favorite synth. I love the green LEDs. Wall warts have multiple positive features, like not heating up the inside of the synth and being cheaply replacable without sending the synth to Roland. The only bad feature is the limited amount of 64 patches per engine, which makes 256 patches total. It also has the Juno 106 Chorus without the noise, if you prefer that like I do. You also have to add the brushed aluminum cheeks to make it go VROOOOOOOM.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
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Great vidz.
@AudioPilz
9 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
I have a system 8 and its lovely , I also have a JDXA and it is also lovely. I paid considerably less for them than probably anyone ever but that’s just my luck. 🎉 the System 8 emulates older Roland analogs extremely well. I have many old Roland analogs to compare them. I bring up the JDXA because it came out several years before the AIRA line and it often gets a bad rap but Im telling you its a damn cool synth. Both are damn cool. I use then constantly they don’t let me down on projects, they sound and look retro futuristic.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Love the Supernatural engine of the JD-XA(Xi)
@Novaheart1998
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz yes the filter on the system 8 is Roland’s best analog emulated filter, I think its the same as the one on the slightly older Fantom 06/07/08 line. Those used the super natural engine also. That super natural synth engine was Rolands best until Zen core. The XA also used the super natural engine or some version of it but it actually has an analog filter hence it beats all the emulations anyways.
I'm fairly convinced if this looked like a juno it would of sold way better 😅
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
Not having the 106 & 60 ACB plugouts in the Juno-X chassis is a crime against humanity. But they wanted to cheap out and only use 1x BMC chip in that, so put in poxy Zen Core and ABM parameter templates Juno-X should have.. could have been.. the 60/106 ACB engines paired with analogue filters. Would have sold like hot cakes
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
True that!!!
I have the System 8 plugin (and several more), and I have to agree: the native engine is massively underrated. It's a really, really fantastic-sounding modern synth that can easily pull off various vintage Roland sounds pretty much perfectly. Just a huge, rich sound. The synth is almost all sweet spot. I really love it. I had to pause the video on the "hate" section and laughed aloud at the "Blofeld sounds better" bit: I had a Blofeld for years and it's just not even in the same league as this in any respect. Sure it has wavetables and everything, but the filters aren't even in the same category. I sold the Blofeld eventually: just found it uninspiring and had very little sweet spot compared to something like this.
Nice one again! I have one and love mine :)
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Nice!!!
The pro version of the Roland Boutiques. The System 8 sounds great but I wish it had 61 keys. Was hoping this would appear one day on this channel for ticking all the boxes at first glance.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
It definitely does!
@ironinquisitor3656
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilz I sure hope Roland also makes a Jupiter-4 Boutique for a future review on your channel considering they released the ACB emulation for Cloud and the System-8 last year.
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
@@ironinquisitor3656 yeah seems logical to do an ACB Jupiter-4 boutique.. I'm hoping for a Jupiter-6 ACB plugout this year 🤞
@SlaserX
Жыл бұрын
As much as I'd love to see some more practical ACB plug outs like a D-50, I'd think it would be fun to get something like a RS-202, for the sheer fact it's old and rare. That's one of the charms of ACB, I can now say I've heard weird synths like the ProMars, which I've never heard of before getting a System 8
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
@@SlaserX well D-50 is digital so doesn't work with ACB.. ACB simulates analogue circuits. D-50 also already exists in "DCB" form as the D-05 boutique (and probably a Roland Clod plugin).. DCB is more like an emulator that runs the code from the original synth RS-505 would be even better.. but I think they have problems with "divide down" circuits and ACB. At least they did when they last tried to do it with the VP-03 boutique, which is supposed to be a simulation of the VP-330. But it sounds vastly worse on strings/choirs than the original (or the Behringer analogue clone, VC340).. with the vocoder they kind of get away with it.. that sounds okay. But very noticeable on the strings/choirs
A great sounding synth … ripping tones at once dignified and refined, sprinkled with mayhem
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
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Haha the neutrik cartoon was great! :D I would've loved to hear Jam 2 only with Amen break drums ;) But great episode, I almost thought of buying one of these :D
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Ich glaube, es gibt kaum eine Begebenheit, und weiss allerdings mit Sicherheit, das bei ähnlich strukturierten Inhalten mein folgender Kommentar unmöglich, selbst in der kompletten Geschichte des youtube Kommentierens, mit einer solchen Überzeugung, Leidenschaft und Genugtuung ausgesprochen werden konnte. Irgendwie ist die Welt um mich herum gerade ein Stückchen ruhiger, gerechter aber vor allem nachvollziehbarer geworden! Und dieser Kommentar lautet: DANKE!!!!!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Vielen herzlichen Dank!!!
Finally, your review that doesn't make me buy a new Roland Aira Gear. Yeah, ok, that's only because I already have System-8. Honestly though, it's so much fun to play, all those knobs and sliders to twiddle with are really fun! I only wish it had the System-1 scatter knob. Then again, that's what I can use MX-1 for :D Now I'm only waiting for MC-707 review to drop and push me into buying it and the cycle will be complete.
@JustinEdwords
Жыл бұрын
i LOVE the scatter on the MC-707
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Not a big fan of the System-1 Scatter (or any scatter;) tbh
@tomadeney8860
Жыл бұрын
@@AudioPilzFunny 'cause actually that's one of the (many) reasons I love the System 1 😊
Took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. No other comment really... just wanted to say I took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. beans on toast for the rest of the year
@Wagoo
Жыл бұрын
Did you have to stretch yourself over years with Volcas then moving up to Boutiques, then a Mininova.. before you were finally ready to take delivery of an Xm? It's impressive, but I worry for the shape of your stools
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Maybe add some ramen noodles?;)
That synth sounded awesome ... but the price. I can dream - says the man who is waiting for his S - 1 to arrive from overseas. In July! You'd think Oztraylia was at the end of the earth. Great episode as always Florian. Hurry on 100k subs.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
One of my synths that I will never sell. It's just absolutely perfect.
Roland for the win I have to admit I played with a system 8 and I like it 😱 Green disco lights are a bit too much And when it goes into demo mode it is embarrassing Genius as always Cheers
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! The goblin of synths
Get your PAUSE buttons ready, BAD GEAR has a new video out ❤
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Way to go!!!
@hinzster
Жыл бұрын
That being said, the NEIN OH NEIN was a real bugger to pause at. It was very short (
Great episode as always, and those finale visuals - nice! I often find VAs boring, but at least this has some cool extras. I don't necessarily hate the look, either. It sounds good, and I could see myself using it. That being said, I can't see myself getting one for the price, heh. Edit: One LFO does seem kinda weak, though.
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@treetopjones737
Жыл бұрын
If you like the sounds, you could get a System-1. Not 8 note polyphony ( 4 if I recall correctly ), but you can be grateful you're in a time when affordable synths have polyphony, back in the 80's affordable meant MONO.
The question is, where all those cool vids are coming from for each track each week!
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
I use this new internet thing;)
That old school dnb hits different because very few is making it nowadays🤙🏻 cool track indeed🔥 I owned system 8 a year. Great machine. Easy to get sit in the mix but somehow i thought it is quite expensive for what it could do. I think they sacrificed voices for higher sample rate etc.. (actually i have owned system 1 and now system 1m and i think that it is worth the money if ylu have to pick one ✌️
@originaali
Жыл бұрын
You asked something to review for end of yoyr video 😎 twisted electronics - mega fm ✌️ fm synth with sega mega drive chips
@AudioPilz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!