Dang just got an ad on my own video lol. Sorry about that! I didn’t put them there, universal copyright claimed the video.

@donnamaria3059

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t receive an ad just now so perhaps it’s random.

@BlakeWilkinson42

2 жыл бұрын

Big Oof

@ashleylunette2187

2 жыл бұрын

Uh oh, at least we got to see that sweet Lorax parking lot

@just_a_turtle_chad

2 жыл бұрын

Turtle approved

@nondescriptname

2 жыл бұрын

The real villain of the movie is apparently Universal.

"dont steal" is such a weird thing for all the characters to tell remy. like, is he supposed to go to the little grocery store for rats and buy things with his rat money??

@UnbridledWeeping

2 жыл бұрын

maybe he and his rat family should start a rat farm?

@kaitlynm9463

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnbridledWeeping do they just starve until the first pumpkin grows or what

@fpedrosa2076

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaitlynm9463 It's simple, really. They can resort to cannibalism. Much better than stealing from a human being!

@Optiganone

2 жыл бұрын

buy things with rat money that he stole

@LustStarrr

2 жыл бұрын

"Don't steal" is a pretty weird thing to tell anyone, particularly if they're someone who is stealing to satisfy unmet basic needs, as is the case in Ratatouille...

When he says "I don't know about his personality, he seems like a cool little twink man, but he does a lot of things that are wrong, I think." I legitimately couldn't tell if he was talking about the Onceler or MatPat

@Thor-Orion

2 жыл бұрын

MatPat IS the Onceler.

@themyofmy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thor-Orion oh my god

@angelovromanov3165

2 жыл бұрын

I just read this as he said it, incredible

@acehealer4212

2 жыл бұрын

The same thing happy to me, lol.

@MrDarren690

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thor-Orion it's all connected

I did not think that I would ever see someone miss the point of THE LORAX 😭😭

@jasonjungreis203

Жыл бұрын

Except that's what illumination did.

@Souleater787

Жыл бұрын

​@jasonjungreis203 if Illumination wanted us to understand O'Hare being a big bawd buziness man they would have had the citizens of Thneedville gasping for air outside their homes, or at least struggling outside Thneedville

@830toAwesome

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more that Mat Pat thinks he's somehow the only one that really understood the message and that even the people making the movie didn't know the message they meant to convey.

@thechugg4372

11 ай бұрын

@@jasonjungreis203 That was the greatest comeback of the decade and it will take a long time before I find a comeback this perfect in a long time.

@jasonjungreis203

11 ай бұрын

@@thechugg4372 Cool

I love how Mat essentially says “you know they didn’t have to buy air” without realizing what he just said

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t have to buy air. If they really did, they’d die when they leave their house.

@rowan9146

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 It's a cartoon set in an extremely fictional environment, you gotta suspend your disbelief a little

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

@@rowan9146 um no the whole point is O’Hare is running a scam lol

@josephmother2659

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 isn’t the point that they were convinced they needed it by ohare essentially if you don’t buy into the restrictive and oppressive system of which there exists no alternative, you go into the “wasteland” and die

@hotjuices2

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 okay… and if the film wasn’t a metaphor and was based on science, the boy who turned green from polluted dirty water (from ambiguous chemicals) would be dead from radiation poisoning or in fatal critical condition on an oxy IV because morphine makes the nausea from the radiation poisoning worse…

joel calling the onceler a “cool little twink man” is the funniest thing i’ve ever witnessed

@oncreativemode5486

2 жыл бұрын

he's not wrong tho

@Gxylord

2 жыл бұрын

@@oncreativemode5486 i'm never describing him any other way again

@Piaapo

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao I thought he was calling Matt that lmao

@JC_Cali

2 жыл бұрын

OMG I thought he was describing MattPatt like thatt lmaooo 🤣

@Eric-yt7rt

2 жыл бұрын

As much as I love Joel's videos, hearing straight people use the term "twink" always gives me bad vibes...

Matpat insinuating that the consumer is responsible for a corporate monopoly over an essential resource is one of the most surreal things I have ever seen on this site.

@Tanuki-cl7qi

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, you think it's WRONG for him to sell air? Just don't buy it then! Checkmate, atheists. My dad is the economy, and his cock is huge!

@MsSeeingdouble

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tanuki-cl7qi My dad works at Capitalism and he can get your dad fired from his job >:)

@Tanuki-cl7qi

2 жыл бұрын

@@MsSeeingdouble NOOOOOOO

@k.morningstar7983

2 жыл бұрын

i now understand that i should not want anything, i should live in a cabin and live off of my rich family's money while complaining that everyone else is being a naughty bad bad consumer

@MsSeeingdouble

2 жыл бұрын

@@k.morningstar7983 Oh you like things and enjoy being clothed and sheltered? Lol okay consoomer.

I always liked Matpats more legistical videos, like where he tries to give a rough estimate of how many people Light Yagami killed In Death Note, or how profitable Pleasure Island would be from Pinocchio.

@ultimapower6950

Жыл бұрын

Yeah his logistic/scientific videos are infinitely better than his lore videos

@Lrizu

Жыл бұрын

Bro i know you ain't trynna say logistical lmao

@alexsere3061

Жыл бұрын

his evaluation of how much minecraft's diamond armor is worth was one of my favs as a child

@tabi9394

Жыл бұрын

yeah! i feel like he/his team are definitely less passionated about the more lore-heavy/interpretation focused videos and that translates to downright objectively wrong points like in the us video

@HOTD108_

Жыл бұрын

@@alexsere3061 Exactly, as a child. He makes children's content. Any mature adult would immediately see through his paper thin logic and wild baseless assumptions.

Remy stealing isn't framed as immoral, it's framed as ugly and low class. There's a reason why it's equated from the beginning with eating garbage, in a story about fine dining. Remy's arc isn't a moral one, it's an aesthetic one- he comes from a dirty family and aspires to the refinement of high society. In the beginning, that leads him to disown both his family and their way of life and try to live according to higher aesthetic principles. Then he sees the hypocrisy and ugliness of high society and goes back to his family, giving up those principles in disgust, a choice which, though it involves renouncing his own artistic satisfaction in the immediate term, allows him to later return to the world of high society as a fully developed and grounded artist, capable of swaying at least one archon of sophistication to no longer view him, his family and their ways with disgust or contempt.

@blissfuldj7627

Жыл бұрын

They literally make him a rat, a word synonymous with a low class person

@citonita2207

Жыл бұрын

Wow well said!

@OliverHeikkinen

Жыл бұрын

Damn

@RaveDecoy242

11 ай бұрын

I just want to let you know that I read your comment with Redeemed Anton Ego's voice.

@MintyFreshYT

10 ай бұрын

This is an insanely good read.

Protagonist has a flaw: HE’S THE VILLAIN ACTUALLY Villain has a redeeming quality: HE’S NOT THE VILLAIN ALSO CAPITALISM IS GOOD

@k80_

2 жыл бұрын

really cutting analysis by Mat here

@yaninity

2 жыл бұрын

It certainly does seem to be a point that he tries to make a lot, huh?

@CODDE117

2 жыл бұрын

@@yaninity Liberals are weird

@fruityren

2 жыл бұрын

@@yaninity he’s not making a point he’s having fun-

@blarg2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@fruityren It is dangerously disingenuous to pretend that you cannot do both at once, including by accident. All attempts to communicate have implications about the communicator's views. There is no topic so narrow that this does not apply on some level.

Can’t believe he had the take “Rat stealing food bad” but “Rich man monopolizing air is entrepreneurship and consumer bad”

@winnie9922

2 жыл бұрын

i mean yeah those two viewpoints are pretty consistent, they both blame the little guy 🐁

@MelMelodyWerner

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why you expected better from MatPat, communism 2, he always struck me as a bit of a bootlicking lib.

@randomplaceinruralamerica9618

2 жыл бұрын

@@MelMelodyWerner O’Hara is such a cartoonish villain that I didn’t expect him to actually try to blame the people buying the air he sells.

@ggs27

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomplaceinruralamerica9618 The worst part is that, what are the people in The Lorax supposed to do?? Not buy air and fucking die??

@idrk3707

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggs27 of course! vote with your wallet otherwise youre the problem

Its so weird seeing Matpat blame the consumer for buying air to live instead of the corporations. Kind of reminds me of the whole thing with insulin that's going on in the real world

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

They shouldn’t be so dumb to know buying air doesn’t work like that

@thatrantinggirl7376

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 I feel like a big part of the movie was that the Edna mode looking guy was spreading propaganda to make sure people wouldn’t know that

@lilypaigeham

Жыл бұрын

​@@cajunking5987 yeah, maybe in the real world. The movie is literally about an orange fuckin abomination haunting an old man about destroying the world

@thunderspark1536

11 ай бұрын

​@@cajunking5987Obviously they were fed lies by O'Hare.

@geraltrivia9565

11 ай бұрын

@@cajunking5987dude you’re all over this comment section simping for O’Hare, you alright?

This makes sense to me. He's a debate kid who gets stuck having to argue for the obviously wrong side of the debate and he's gonna try his absolute hardest to make the case anyway

@finixmoon127

7 ай бұрын

Matt has always been the ultimate devil's advocate, he isn't really "stuck" with the role : it's just his personality and something he enjoys doing, and maaany people can't understand that, which is why he gets so much hate

@drew-vt8ws

7 ай бұрын

@@finixmoon127 I agree. Ive never understood why he gets hated on so much his theories are just supposed to be interesting "what ifs"

@finixmoon127

7 ай бұрын

@@drew-vt8ws The fact that he had to explain that Sans is Ness wasn't to be taken seriously will always be insane to me

@joelsavoie8641

5 ай бұрын

​@finixmoon127 who intimidated him into retracting those findings? Patrick et al is widely respected in the community for his discovery of Ness-Sans convergence.

@acevendettaflightclips2189

4 ай бұрын

Pure evil

I preferred it when Mat just did funny math to say "lmao Wario is actually 10 feet tall" Now he's like "mmmm vote with dollar mmmm"

@Vicente75480

2 жыл бұрын

That's mainly why now i just watch THE SCIENCE!!

@thornels

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah same I learnt a lot of maths and science from him and got fun facts to tell my friends but now I just don't enjoy his content anymore and moved on to ShoddyCast

@ragalyiakos

2 жыл бұрын

Also, I think we shouldn't skip over the fact that he made a whole episode about how Thanos was right... That one...That one deffinitely deserves a yikes!

@blueawesomedinosaur

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vicente75480 what's funny is that those videos are from another channel that later merged with his.

@b.parker1740

2 жыл бұрын

He's also like, "mmm, Scott Cawthon gave Tulsi Gabbard and Ben Carson money too, so he can't be a conservative or a racist. Don't be so upset, LGBTQ+ community!"

“Media interpretation for kids but not done well” is the greatest way I think I ever heard modern mat pat videos described

@stefan1024

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, for kids obviously. (me, in my 40s)

@parkercc

2 жыл бұрын

Man, I miss when he used physics and formulas in his videos...

@donnylurch4207

2 жыл бұрын

@@parkercc He doesn't do that anymore? I haven't watched in years. Back in the day, I used to think, "Well yeah, that game theory is dumb and I don't buy it, but it really was just a framing device to talk about physics."

@Zagafur

2 жыл бұрын

honestly the only way to find the charm of OG game theory is in "the science of" series

@mindlander

2 жыл бұрын

But it's not media interpretation.

From what I remember, it isn't depicted in the movie what happens to those who can't afford bottled air. The thought is horrifying. That makes O'Hare a villain.

@bionicbirb9104

Жыл бұрын

We don’t see poor people because they all suffocated

@liam3284

10 ай бұрын

Indeed, the question is what qualifies someone to live in the town itself? Do they pay a tax? A fee? Sign over something to O'hare? Does he sell bottled air outside the town?

@emz1412

7 ай бұрын

Because it's a kids movie.

@cara-setun

6 ай бұрын

There are people living outside of the town (such as the Oncelor) So it’s not like they die immediately

Did you ever think about how you singlehandedly debased his whole career with this absolute hit piece. He saw this, Matpat, Matthew Patthew, and was like "in two years' time I'm going to retire." His blood, your hands.

The original Dr. Seuss book literally says "protect [the tree/forest] from axes that hack." That's pretty clearly advocating environmental activism, not just buying more sustainable products.

@fly1714

2 жыл бұрын

No replies till i reply

@katevgrady

2 жыл бұрын

Is it? I thought it was telling me to buy Mazdas and disposable diapers with pictures of leaves on the box.

@Sammy-S

2 жыл бұрын

@@fly1714 Proof you're living in a simulation

@tyunpeters3170

2 жыл бұрын

MatPat does say that the movie has a point of its own and it’s about consumerism

@PhilosophyofElivagar

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Seuss was also a racist wife abuser, but we're discussing the 2012 movie, not the intentions of its original author

I cant fucking believe that MatPat's take from the lorax is that you should stop buying something that you literally cant live without

@bluishwolf

2 жыл бұрын

Don't buy bottled air, buy trees?

@snomboclaart

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluishwolf it’s a little difficult to buy trees when the only tree in their area was planted near the END of the movie.

@bluishwolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@snomboclaartThe only Truffula tree left. You think that's the only type of tree in the entire world?

@Companion92

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluishwolf In that movies universe... probably yes

@bluishwolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Companion92 If it's the only type of tree left... why don't they just call them "trees" instead of having a species name?

By mattpat's logic, hired assassins aren't bad people. they're just responding to consumer demand for murder!

@MK_Search

3 ай бұрын

I’m sorry! I just can’t fault a hardworking guy with a dream of murdering people for cash as the bad guy!

@jakedanielsen4512

3 ай бұрын

Hey, if I don't, someone else will

Folding Ideas once made a video about the "Thermian Argument" How people tend to forget that fictional universes are indeed fictitious and are created by people, who wanted to communicate a very specific story and agenda (Which also means that they can only be as "scientifically acurate" as the author knows, or is willing to put in) It instantly reminded me of MatPat

@sachathehuman4234

7 ай бұрын

Yeah back even when i was a kid watching matpat, aside from his fnaf videos id always wonder if any of the game devs had intended anything like this or if he was just grasping at details

Rats stealing food to survive is wrong, but a guy who cuts down all the trees and steals clean air from everyone, why he is just an entrepreneur.

@slightlyoffensivedadjokes

2 жыл бұрын

mat feels like such a grifter, someone who isnt a real human being with their own personal moral code and personal beliefs and viewpoints. he just tries to make a case for "the opposite" of a piece of art. it doesn't matter if his analysis is consistent, it constantly feels like he starts with the idea "okay, so good guy is ACTUALLY bad guy/bad guy is ACTUALLY good guy, what evidence can I find to form my own narrative?", instead of just, ya know, just analyzing a piece of art. I'm certain he just found that coming up with "EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ___ WAS WRONG" type of videos are the most senstional.

@priestofronaldalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes the problem is his weekly upload schedule. Theories aren't something you can consistently churn out on a weekly basis with the same level of quality. Some of his theories are genuinely good... and there's sans is ness... the main problem with his channel is that the quality of his content can vary INSANELY.

@jacobburch7555

2 жыл бұрын

@@priestofronaldalt also imo mattpat does theories on stupid ass shit sometimes. Like i get diversity in content but its like hes running out of ideas.

@PixelIsaiah

2 жыл бұрын

It's called making entertaining videos. Facts are not all that entertaining. Yeah the oncelor is the bad guy, woohoo, such a fun statement!

@PixelIsaiah

2 жыл бұрын

@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes what if, get this: matpat has his beliefs but doesn't need to always inject them into his content? You know you're allowed to just make an entertaining video without it being something you actually think, right? If you actually think matpat considers Mario to be a sociopath and the oncelor to be good then you're crazy.

Mat rly said "it's not o'hare's fault the place is a wasteland... " then doesn't even blame the character WHO IS AT FAULT FOR THAT VERY THING

@huckthatdish

2 жыл бұрын

But have you considered that it’s the forest’s fault for being made of stuff that’s worth money?

@bazingatronz5114

2 жыл бұрын

@@huckthatdish ah those darn trees, why did they have to be so good for making thneeds

@jdb7419

2 жыл бұрын

He wanted to stop but the people wanted more so he started again, that’s why it’s the peoples fault

@javsandarts

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdb7419 and people want fast fashion but we should teach them how bad it is. People don't mind buying a $5 shirt but will think twice about buying a $3 bucket of shrimps because they already know how unreliable that is. We need to keep the same parameters in all the things we consume

@sarinabina5487

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdb7419 idk how 2 tell u this but most ppl with morals wouldnt cut down an entire forest just bc ppl want scarves or whatever the fuck. plus it was shown in the film that the Onceler was making propaganda 2 make ppl think the thneeds were 100% ethical

Aloysius O'Hare isn't the bad guy because he didn't create the wasteland, he just inherited it. Also, the guy who created it is super cool

@jaguarenduda

7 ай бұрын

LOL

@Sr.Brownie

3 ай бұрын

Ngl this the best comment

I think matpat's theories are like when your English literature teachers ask you to write an essay on your thesis so you make something up and try to sell it as hard as you could, doesn't matter how wrong it is

"Vote with your dollar" is such a privileged take. I'd love to be able to afford a $50 shirt that was made by unionized workers in good conditions but the big box sweat shop $10 shirt is what's in my budget. Not to mention things like being in a food desert means that you don't really have a choice even with what products you buy because you need to eat, so of course half of what you buy is going to be wrapped in a thousand layers of plastic and not sustainably sourced. The message of the Lorax wasn't "consumer bad." It was stand up for your rights and needs anyway you can. Vote. Protest. Start a union. Spread awareness. Care

@ThePapaja1996

2 жыл бұрын

secound hand existed right?

@akorn9943

2 жыл бұрын

He really do be like “the people of Thneedville are enabling cruelty with their consumption. They should do the noble alternative and *f u c k i n g d i e .*

@beefy74

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePapaja1996 because well off white women (like emma chamberlain) made thrifting “trendy”, thrift stores either jack up their prices on the good items or are completely barren of anything wearable. plus, they still contribute to a lot of waste, considering how much they take in and how much they’re able to put out. under capitalism, there is no ethical consumption, just better ways to reduce harm. for example, good fair takes a shit ton of clothes and puts them in a mystery box and they’re priced pretty well for what they give. and the trend of people up cycling old clothes, a brilliant way to develop ones style and use something they probably wouldn’t have worn otherwise. there’s ups and downs to everything, we just gotta decide what our morals can deal with.

@guy-sl3kr

2 жыл бұрын

"You criticize society yet you participate in it. Curious! 🤔" -mattpat probably

@papasscooperiaworker3649

2 жыл бұрын

@@guy-sl3kr bruh that deadass is him tho fr

The point of “Us” isn’t that nobody could _tell_ the difference, the point is that there *is* no difference except for the circumstances of their upbringing.

@dilucmain9130

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY incredibly well said

@jenm1

2 жыл бұрын

The gaming community is extremely pro capitalism. It’s not surprising that his rhetoric is the same as r/stocks

@jerkel

2 жыл бұрын

so you're saying Us is pokémon the first movie

@DrCrazyEvil

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats what I thought about the movies message.

@BrokenRobot3K

2 жыл бұрын

The movie had no message lol 😂

A thing that’s really important to note about the “vote with your wallets” point about the Oncler. He blatantly says “the PR people are lying and the lawyers are denying” in one of his songs. Basically admitting to false advertising and circumventing any regulation there may be. And it’s also implied that he sets up a fake charity to “donate” a portion of proceeds to so anyone that buys a thneed thinks they’re giving some money to charity in that same song. The people think they’re voting for a completely different thing to what they actually are voting for. If he was completely open and honest about it and they still bought it, there’s an argument that both the consumer and the Oncler are to blame but that’s just not the case.

@nkbujvytcygvujno6006

4 ай бұрын

Why aren't there more likes on this? It's a good point to add, proving why even the consumers at the beginning aren't responsible for the Onceler wrecking the ecosystem in the first place.

Ah yes, the underclass being allowed to eat must always be framed as a gift, not a right. How very familiar.

@JettIRL

3 ай бұрын

Or breathe air apparently lol

@kylebear8101

2 ай бұрын

Makes him feel like a boomer lmao

@EnvyOmicron

5 күн бұрын

"Always a bigger fish"

I love how lil capitalist has a monopoly over oxygen itself and Matt pat basically tries to say “well it’s the consumers fault for wanting to breathe”

@alexanderchippel

2 жыл бұрын

I think the point is that he doesn't have a monopoly on air.

@elizabethlee2136

2 жыл бұрын

That we are deluded into thinking that he could have a monopoly on air... which is exacerbated by insistant marketing and brainwashing. You can't own air. Just like you shouldn't own water or land or people shouldn't be homeless. I think its just an interesting way to look at late game capitalism. That it is trying to capitalize on things you can't by brainwashing people into buying things you can't buy. I mean the Villain is an asshole but he's only one part of the problem. Which is why the movie sucks. Its simplistic villian.

@martinsriber7760

2 жыл бұрын

No, he doesn't try to say that - basically or in any other way.

@nikitahichoii482

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those fucking consumer are bad for wanting to live 😡🤬

@martinsriber7760

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikitahichoii482 No, they are morons, because they are buying something they don't have to. There is free breathable air available to anyone.

"It's the consumers' faults." What are the residents of Thneedville supposed to do...NOT BUY AIR?!

@8darchibaldmawuntu198

2 жыл бұрын

Well at this point we don't even really know, if air is really THAT bad until people have to buy it cans and water bottles, there are literally no trees for decades, pretty sure if the air was that bad they needed to wear oxygen tanks everywhere, they just think they need it

@clintwood731

2 жыл бұрын

@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 O'Hare still create forms to convince and coerce people to maintain things as they are. It's not real necessito, it's made up.

@8darchibaldmawuntu198

2 жыл бұрын

@@clintwood731 Well again, theories, different perspectives from different views, its just made up stuff

@clintwood731

2 жыл бұрын

@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 No, it's show on the film, he made up things to his own profit.

@8darchibaldmawuntu198

2 жыл бұрын

@It is I Dio! Exactly, im just saying that his theories are very unique, like him saying that the air isnt actually needed and ohare is just lying

It's always important that: if you see somebody stealing food, no you didn't

@jared4505

3 ай бұрын

Why

@jakedanielsen4512

3 ай бұрын

​@jared4505 If someone is at the point of needing to steal food in order to exist, it's 100% moral to steal food and the blame is on the system who put them in that position

@jared4505

3 ай бұрын

Wrong, stealing is bad@@jakedanielsen4512

@jared4505

3 ай бұрын

Its never moral to steal it might be understandable but its still not the right thing to do@@jakedanielsen4512

@krishvids608

2 ай бұрын

Definitely correct but I gotta put in the 🤓 face and be like ‘well what if it’s Caviar or Iberico Ham? They don’t need that!’

25:57 aged like fine wine with Justin being kicked off Rick and morty

@SoobySays

Жыл бұрын

I feel like my timeline pushed me to watch this video again (which I did happily) because of this moment in particular. Algorithm said “oooooooooooh.”

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

A shame since he didn’t do much weong

@evairywon

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 bye bye time for you to go

@eitaninsker

14 күн бұрын

ikr

"Vote with your dollar" is basically saying "consumerism is terrible and broken, we can fix it by consumerism!"

@Ethan-tn4jc

2 жыл бұрын

how about "Our natural tendencies as people are flawed and the only way to see social improvement is by collectively making a greater effort to make wiser investments."? There's a lot of different ways to look at consumerism, but your interpretation seems to imply that the only way out of a consumeristic nightmare is by stripping the individual of their freedom to choose. I don't buy that. I choose not to.

@dcbandnerd

2 жыл бұрын

It made me reflexively twitch. I *haaaaate* it.

@annalavender6489

2 жыл бұрын

What about rejecting consumerism instead?

@ImperiaGin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ethan-tn4jc human nature isn't capitalism lol

@BananaPhoPhilly

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImperiaGin But the surge of endorphins awarded to the brain by the short term benefit of materialism is human nature. It’s just that humans don’t think very far into the future, because our most important instinct is survival which is a very short-term need. And that need has a synergistic relationship with capitalism. Even if buying a bunch of materialistic crap doesn’t equate at all to survival, the brain still thinks it does

I went off him after he said the dragons of how to train your dragons don't actually like their humans because lizard brains can't love, when those dragons CLEARLY have cat brains

@TheBonkleFox

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow I'm actually upset by that take. One of my teachers had a bearded dragon who'd cling to your shirt and never let go if you let him. If that isn't a form of affection I don't know what is

@peterprime2140

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBonkleFox Oh sure, when the walking handbag material does it, it's affection, but when I do it, it's sexual harrassment.

@peterprime2140

2 жыл бұрын

Also, you know, they're dragons? Like didn't they have a king in the first movie? I don't think normal lizards have kings.

@Tanuki-cl7qi

2 жыл бұрын

How dare these whimsical creatures of myth not do the thing the wikipedia article said lizards do

@roojackaroo8517

2 жыл бұрын

He literally starts the video by saying how they aren't really behaving like lizards,but pushes that aside and pretends they behave exactly like lizards to reach his dumb conclusion

“Justin, if you ever don’t want to play Morty I can do it” oof this aged perfectly

Matthew Patrick Game Theory is the kind of guy to see Aladdin give the bread he stole to starving orphan children and think that it's a moral failure of the starving orphan children to eat that stolen bread instead of intuiting that the bread must be stolen and returning it to wherever it was stolen from

@VidelxSpopovich

10 ай бұрын

Yep, typical Democrat. He probably thinks the solution to pedophilia is for little kids to stop tempting all those nice adults.

@strxwbxrry_420

7 ай бұрын

Yes👏👏👏

@ilovepeoplebro

7 ай бұрын

Precisely

@dyltube6395

3 ай бұрын

Maybe if it was stolen from another poor person. Things aren’t that black and white

@hotboxhearse

3 ай бұрын

@@dyltube6395 youre just sidestepping the point of the comment lmao

I’ve always been bothered by how extreme Ratatouille is about its anti-stealing moral as like, the worst thing a person can do. It is really dogmatic about the underclass following every rule of the people who hate them, no matter how absurd or unfair. And this is a movie that has very light-hearted jokes of kidnapping and murder attempts, but a poor person stealing is framed as them becoming the vermin that society sees you as, be damned if you’re starving.

@RobotLover696

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah!! And what also gets me is that, what is the alternative then? Rats paying for food with their hard earned tiny rat dollars??? Ngl i never thought much about it before today but the movie anti-stealing stance is kinda weird lol

@123yodood

2 жыл бұрын

the way i like to think about it is that remy is constantly dealing with these two different sides of his identity - his internal desire to be respected as a chef like gusteau, a human, and his love for his entire rat family. remy doesn't NEED to steal from 5 star restaurants, he could just eat garbage like the rest of his family but he thinks they deserve to be treated like the humans, at the end of the day hes super naive and the movie constantly reminds us of that, sometimes in the form of a joke, and others when his dad shows him a window full of rat corpses. he holds himself up to an impossibly high standard, and even when he sticks to those expectations of himself, linguini still kicks him out and accuses him of being egotistical (which, they both are in a way). i think by the end remy gets the best of both worlds, he finds a way to not only feed his family, but to give them gourmet food, the stuff he thinks they deserve and on his own terms. Is it short sighted about stealing? kinda, but i disagree with the premise that its one of the major takeaways in a movie about passion and art and self discovery

@AvatarBowler

2 жыл бұрын

And the contradiction this produces is that the movie can serve as an allegory for class mobility within a capitalist system and how it might look. (Watch The Squad’s video on Ratatouille for more.) Like, it clearly empathizes with the plight of Remy and, by extension, Linguini to be a meaningful part of the society they live in, yet it also demonizes the need for survival at any cost like you said. It doesn’t make sense.

@kikefuentes5191

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobotLover696 The whole point is not that they shouldn't steal, but that they could at least aim to something more, but they think they inherently can't. You can't really show the message without showing that stealing is also bad lmao

@123yodood

2 жыл бұрын

@@AvatarBowler it makes,,, sense its just not as fleshed out as it could be. don't get me wrong, i wish for more media that didn't demonize stealing and also i think ratatouille uses a very basic moral quandary to illustrate a more broad point about passion, the pursuit of art, and what it means to respect and cherish your family

For a guy who pieces together entire lore and universes from incredibly minute details and Easter eggs, he tends to get a lot of main plot points wrong

@garaj1

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds almost identical to the trajectory of Doug Walker

@HOTD108_

2 жыл бұрын

@@garaj1 I've never seen Doug Walker piece together anything even remotely coherent.

@topleybird2443

2 жыл бұрын

That’s probably exactly why he gets obvious shit incorrect, and like someone already pointed out, is exactly like Doug Walker.

@4ndytrout46

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah its almost like he has painted himself into a corner by running three youtube channels and now has to twist the facts of what he is talking about to pump out new videos all the time.

@AL-lh2ht

2 жыл бұрын

@@topleybird2443 don’t compare him to Doug. Doug was never respected or comparably successful as Matpat

I also want to add the Harry Potter one, in which the whole theory was about how "Neville could have been the chosen one!" and going in-depth on all of the evidence for something like 15 minutes, then finally mentioning at the very end that they literally mentioned that in *both the books and the movies.*

@frosthammer917

Ай бұрын

Yeah its the "theory" that turned me off. Its not even something that is kind of hidden in the book, its explicitly talked about, all the evidence is clearly laid out and as far as I remember Harry more than once thinks and wonders about the what if scenario.

My favorite part about the Lorax movie is that the two villains (who are effectively eco-villains) are so obviously the bad guys not just in the movie, but also because the movie LITERALLY released on earth day. They are meant to be the bad guys not just from the movie but also from the movies RELEASE DATE

Matt blaming consumers for *wanting air* is straight up sad and hilarious simultaneously.

@Rodanguirus

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he hears Immortan Joe's "don't become addicted to water" spiel in Fury Road and thinks, "that's a good point. Is he secretly the good guy?"

@DarkZombeh

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah because consumers are never wrong, its all the big corporations making things, and we just HAVE to consume them, cause i mean, its there... so why not right? Lets not kid ourselves, big corporations are a reflection of the greed and laziness of the population. If it wasnt that way, then we would have to believe that there is just some nefarious bad people at the top of all those companies by cheer fucking luck... But you could swap people all day long at the top, and they would end up in the same please. Increasing profits, fulfilling consumer demand. Im not an apologist of big corporations. But if people weren't so stupid as to want luxury air, maybe there would have not been a demand to monopolize it. and again the only way to stop that from being that way, is from people to wake the fuck up. Not just expect things to change . Obviously the lorax is such a stupid movie, and you can interpret it any way you want, but literally it stands true, if everyone is happy and thriving, what are we complaining about?

@antipsychotic451

2 жыл бұрын

what late capitalism does to a mf

@steinsgate9570

Жыл бұрын

@ exactly

@robbiewalker2831

Жыл бұрын

@ in the end, though, it doesn’t excuse how bad the B plot of the movie was.

i choose to believe that the background is a real window and that joel just exists in an unmoving, unfeeling, serene plain and is projecting his videos to us

@justinbachiutv

2 жыл бұрын

And the creepy shadow that's always behind him is just the darkness from our world seeping into his

@peterprime2140

2 жыл бұрын

Biig Jo'ol, Eldritch God of Sweaters

@hiddeluchtenbelt6440

2 жыл бұрын

I am not at all convinced a "Joel" truly exists

@left4twenty

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the crushing silence

@towepersson7683

2 жыл бұрын

But thats just a theory, A Big Joel theory.

Can't believe Big Joel made Matpat quit and made Justin Roiland beat his wife just so he could take over their projects. Looking forward to your future Rick and Morty theories tho

using silly science to back up a silly theory is fun and you can turn your brain off for a minute and enjoy something silly but matpat's apparent lack of media literacy and weird moral rants aren't fun and there's a definite line between those two. i used to watch matpat theories like religiously and videos like these fucked up the way i interpreted stories for a looong while

@aquasiox4033

Жыл бұрын

you put exactly how i feel into words ! it all makes sense thank you

@bionicbirb9104

Жыл бұрын

Ah, he suffers from the Reading Comprehension Devil

@NotFine

7 ай бұрын

Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol

@NotFine

7 ай бұрын

Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol

@personalaccount7781

3 ай бұрын

Fun fact, he just reads the scripts, a lot of those theories were written by someone else, he just “reviews” it for approval before recording the video. But obviously it wasnt always like that so clearly i agree with you. Just thought id add a little something to your comment 😁

O’Hare is the most cartoonish villain imaginable, literally selling people air to breath, yet people like matpat still defend him like 💀💀💀💀💀💀

@fruityren

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a cartoon villian from a kid’s movie and you’re still harassing someone for defending them?

@ren.67

2 жыл бұрын

@@fruityren your perception of harassment is a bit twisted I might say

@ruefysh9576

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, guess it's just a view stunt. You see a video like "O'Hare is actually the good guy?!?!?!?!?!? [gone sexual]* video in your feed and then can't help but click to check this nonsense out and all and the worst thing is his theory was absolutely convincing

@fruityren

2 жыл бұрын

@@ren.67 you do realize he gets death threats from this stuff right?

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx

2 жыл бұрын

@@fruityren just because you (not you personally) get death threats doesn't mean that i can't criticize and joke around with you. The world ain't got time to stop just for some depressed guy.

I liked older matpat, like doing the math on how fast chun li had to spin to do the spinning bird kick. Or even if the thing could be done, or if you’d just die. Like the leap of faith from AC. These newer theories are more boring and just try to analyze movies or games in sometimes weird ways. Or look super deep into lore of video games.

@stingerjohnny9951

5 ай бұрын

Lore dives work for shit like From Soft, but he does it for a lot of stuff where it seems like he’s pulling it out of his ass. And I say that as someone who still occasionally watches his shit, because he’s still entertaining.

Matpat saying the thneed is a revolutionary product everyone needs is so fun. It’s clearly useless.

Someone using the term: “Consumerist Utopia where everyone is happy” completely un-ironically, seriously did psychic damage to me.

@hurri.

2 жыл бұрын

my brain is so obsessed with mother 3 that when i read that the new pork city theme started playing in my head

@ashikjaman1940

2 жыл бұрын

@@hurri. Mother 3 is surprisingly based

@jenm1

2 жыл бұрын

@@hurri. I think mother 3 as a kid for me planted seeds of anti capitalism that never fully formed until a couple of years ago. Pretty sick

@evilkingstanley

2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully I'm dark type so I'm immune to psychic damage

@edgarallenhoe3518

2 жыл бұрын

fr besides superficial gratification through unnecessary material goods being unhealthy, it's just not possible to live sustainably while keeping production at that level?? give it a couple generations (at best) and any consumption based utopia is gonna collapse

the things matpat said about the onceler are basicly the excuses the onceler uses to avoid responsability IN THE MOVIE

@damjanp7920

2 жыл бұрын

maybe he didn't watch the movie lol

@sophiagoodman-merel7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@damjanp7920 I wouldn't be surprised if he made these videos without rewatching the specific content he's talking about. "I watched this movie five years ago! That's good enough to do an depth analysis!"

@johnfluth402

2 жыл бұрын

He's just helping the economy.

@TheBonkleFox

Жыл бұрын

"How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just makin up some game theories! How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just defendin' the bourgeoise!"

"In fact I kind of respect you" is the most perfectly crafted passive aggressive shade I have ever heard therefore I liked and subscribed.

Matpat made a whole ass movie review to say he thinks company towns are actually great. Wild

I've always been frustrated with "main character of film is bad actually" takes. Because the reasons they give, like showing bad actions that the character took, pretend that the film itself isn't also saying their actions are bad. Like yes the actions are bad, but it doesn't make them a bad person. Also that's why they're in a movie that's teaching them a lesson.

@eggynack

2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting, because I feel like Ratatouille supports such an interpretation without really signaling it. Specifically, here, I'm pointing to Linguine. Dude uses the labor of this rat, as well as his expertise, and in return gives him nearly nothing. Certainly not an equitable stake in the money being earned (which, like, Remy's doing more than half the work here, but a 50/50 split would be reasonable). Remy's theft is thus a reasonable response to this behavior. This is not, I would say, a framing that is adopted by the film itself. At the end of the day, I don't think the issue is that, "This character is the bad guy actually," takes are inherently bad. It's that some media analysts, Matpat in particular here, are lazy as hell.

@scs998

2 жыл бұрын

@@eggynack I definitely see your point. I guess what I am upset at, is when people claim the main character is bad, even when they're doing things that the film itself frames as bad. It's definitely more interesting to say that thing that the film frames is a good thing is actually a bad thing, but obviously films can play with this concept and frame bad as good or vice verso for juxtaposition and stuff. Yadayada nuace yada greys

@scs998

2 жыл бұрын

@@eggynack however speaking specifically to ratatouille I think the film does In a way address linguines selfishness in understanding that the rat is getting nothing that's why remy lashes out and steals is because of linguines wrong action. Not that it overly pointed out but that's why you understand where I'm coming from.

@pinkrose8272

2 жыл бұрын

Like I have that problem with Troy being evil and sharpay is good video as it misses the whole message of the movies in my opinion which is that the one thing sharpay was trying to do in the first 2 films in sticking to the status quo and trying to force people to keep the same social hierarchy is bad. Saying Sharpay did some nice things and works hard is true as Sharpay is not a one note character. But the films still paint her point of view and constant sabotage of everyone around her to help herself as bad.

@topleybird2443

2 жыл бұрын

It’s CinemaSins brain at work.

Matt's worst mistake was talking about the Lorax, he has awakened the beast.

@ghoulishtoad

2 жыл бұрын

He awoke th3 beast in me in 4th grade when he called mario evil

@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it's a principal in business, that everybody knows is sound. It says that people with the money, make this ever lovin' world go 'round.

@Lunictd

2 жыл бұрын

_The Onceler..._

@kevinwillems8720

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghoulishtoad I mean Mario is a war criminal.

@ICE-wx5sy

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinwillems8720 Did he bomb the Serbia and started War of Independence?

I'd say the only Film Theory that ever rubbed me the wrong way was his theory on How to Train Your Dragon claiming that dragons have the brains of reptiles when they're literally mythical creatures based around dogs and cats 😂

@nathansimons9881

3 ай бұрын

Cats mostly; the laser pointer and catnip scenes should have been dead giveaways. I once had a cat that acted quite a bit like toothless.

I think MatPat's biggest weakness has always been confirmation bias. He consumes media and attempts to brainstorm theories, and when he comes up with one, he combs through it looking for things to support his theory without taking into account or choosing not to address things that go against that theory

Film Theory: Is Big Joel REALLY That Big???

@luke-alex

2 жыл бұрын

The youtuber who calls himself Big Joel, is neither Big, nor Joel -Voltaire

@purplespectre

2 жыл бұрын

He's about 10 Joel's tall.

@angusmcnay5449

2 жыл бұрын

Verily.

@CroakerX

2 жыл бұрын

Medium Henry confirmed

@MrCynthis

2 жыл бұрын

Conclusion - Joel is big where it counts. 😏 His heart! Get your mind out of the gutter!

"This point isn't just silly, it feels like it's attacking the very concept of paying attention to shows" This is an amazing quote

@aturchomicz821

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed it is Helix, indeed it is...

@panta_rhei.26

2 жыл бұрын

Funny seeing you here, thank you for giving me many, many laughs over the years

@pethreenes

2 жыл бұрын

Oh shit. Your skate 3 vids are S tier stoned watching.

@gerarddip

2 жыл бұрын

Oh mah god dude it’s the skate 3 legend himself

@sleepinggolem4595

2 жыл бұрын

I’m kk p

"justin if you ever don't want to be morty, I'll take it from there" this aged well

TBH, I've always viewed MatPat as a conspiracy training camp for kids. Probably unintentionally, but it has that vibe.

The onceler just girlbossed a bit too hard. Can't blame him for that

@hypermatt6742

2 жыл бұрын

CRYING

@Aeternus75

2 жыл бұрын

And well… Matpat man failed.

@lunarsprinkle6580

2 жыл бұрын

Oh he destroyed an enviorment endangering all humans living there and all the creatures in that enviorment? He's just misunderstood😒

@Painocus

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunarsprinkle6580 He's a literal slay queen. No choice but to stan.

@ezekielsmith3571

2 жыл бұрын

Girlkeep gatelight gasboss

"It's the consumer's fault" has been the excuse of big corporations for decades, and a convenient way to avoid their responsibilities. It's playing their game to spread this idea. Being a more conscious consumer is a good start but it will never be enough to tackle pollution and climate issues.

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

It's also blatantly dishonest because companies aren't honest about what they own. Even if you boycott Kelloggs, you'll still give their parent company money if you buy Pringles.

@8darchibaldmawuntu198

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh I dont think it goes to that deep, hes just taking it from different views, and making fun theories that his viewers requested, its like people making theories that harambe's still alive, its just views and theories, hence the popular quote "But hey, its just a theory, a FILM THEORY."

@xandermagne2141

2 жыл бұрын

You know who was a conscious consumer? Ted Kaczynzki

@benjaminparent4115

2 жыл бұрын

@@TuesdaysArt It is even more dishonest because companies are not even honest about what they sell, even with law that promote informing the consumer about waht they bought, it can still be really hard to be able to choose adequately within a realistic timeframe, choosing a chicken for the sunday lunch shouldn't need a 20 minute long research on the internet about which brand doesn't destroy our planet. . And it also compeltely dismiss the real world fact that some people are simply too poor to even be able to choose, they can't afford better so they don't buy it.

@d007ization

2 жыл бұрын

@AlxH I can see the point in that but it still doesn't change the fact that shoving that short guy from the Onceler off a cliff alongside everyone who could immediately replace him, would either cause huge amounts of suffering or cause a similar company to crop up after a while. Well. Maybe there'd be more regulations on that one, which was gonna be my solution in the first place.

Okay glad you brought up “Us” because by the time you wrapped up the Lorax bit, I was thinking that it’s possible the “Us” analysis is complete projection. I think there’s something about Matpat that makes him thoughtless as a consumer or as a seller, to avoid thinking about it critically, it only makes sense to think that everyone else around him would think the same or act as thoughtlessly. I think he does great with game theories because most of the time there is no you’re playing that isn’t a blank face stand in for almost anyone. Most of the time facts/lore are thrown at him in video games so there’s just the work of putting puzzle pieces together. Movies, to develop unique theories upon have to be watched in entirety and critically think about them, which I don’t think Matpat knows how to do. Sources: Pope Undertale

Still can't believe Joel kicked matpat off of the internet with this one video

@FloatingInDisgrace

Ай бұрын

Good riddance

@FloatingInDisgrace

Ай бұрын

Leather jacket wearing matpat really thought he could give fashion advice then left lmao

I like MatPat theories when science is involved, like using the pixel scale character to measure weight to do wild calculations. Thats the theory that i subscribed to. But when it comes to socio economic theories i dont take too much stock on Mats opinion. He has the same takes as a silicon valley tech bro libertarian.

@AdyanHossain_

2 жыл бұрын

his lore and science theories are pretty nice but i those ones are pretty *strange*

@dayhawkify

2 жыл бұрын

the classic doom guy speed, how rich is scrooge mcduck, value of hte bottle cap: classics

@AdyanHossain_

2 жыл бұрын

@@dayhawkify the scrooge mcduck one is definitely one of my favorites of all time

@Golden12500

2 жыл бұрын

He acts like a bigwig way too much nowadays. It's all to appeal to his sponsors, he definitely only cares about money

@lilpingu1066

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, I like to go back and watch the sciencey and mathsy ones. I love the rosalina theory and the hook shot breaking links arm :D I’ve liked some of the lore ones but I do miss the science

“Jeff bezos is just a hard working man who made something that everyone wanted. He’s not the bad guy”

@whydoiexist2180

2 жыл бұрын

tbf amazon exist

@cool_scorpio2588

2 жыл бұрын

That’s literally what he did tho 💀. There is no real reason to hate him besides the fact that he has a lot of money.

@digitaltrapagentp3317

2 жыл бұрын

@@cool_scorpio2588 well he doesn’t treat his workers right. If he was a hard working man AND treated his workers right then he would be good

@LoryskaEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

@@cool_scorpio2588 Except he has extremely shoddy and downright destructive business practices. I understand you can't control the practices of the brands you host as Amazon, but Amazon employees are constantly overworked and suffering. Six employees have died since 2018, more have been seriously injured, and even more have reported mental health issues. Amazon has become one of the most infamously terrible companies to work for. Although Bezos is stepping away from Amazon, he was still responsible for ensuring safe and healthy working conditions for people when he was CEO. We can talk all day about how the very existence of billionaires is problematic, but the point is, Bezos did not do enough to protect the people that worked for him, the people that facilitated the amazing service that made Amazon the cartoonishly massive company it is.

@turcanudan9386

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoryskaEntertainment and, I ask thee, the problem is?..

The way I like to see MatPat and his theory channels are as thought experiments, not theories. He isn’t trying to dissect or critique movies or games, he’s just trying to make an entertaining episode giving a different point of view from a certain topic

@SomberSky

6 ай бұрын

Except when he's actually passionate about something like FNAF. He does do actual theories on FNAF and some of them were correct.

@skullglaze8755

6 ай бұрын

yeah this is a good way to word what i'm always confused about. like, the 'sans is ness' video was clearly just a vessel to showcase fun earthbound and undertake references and connections, like absolutely do I think critiquing is warranted but like in a vacuum at least sometimes i feel like even when i agree with critiques of game and film theory that we fundamentally disagree on the purpose of the videos because, yes, they are going with the theory framing like "what if this was true? let me show you" as a thought experiment rather than a genuine proposal. Even that I agree with much criticism, so I wonder what it is I seem to differ or misunderstand that everyone else does. I don't know if i even if explained how i feel accurately idk

@hat_sauce3846

6 ай бұрын

@@skullglaze8755 Lol unironically Sans is Ness is one of my favourite videos (as a person who isn't too familiar with either). I thought it was a cool concept connecting the two. I definitely do see his videos as fun thought experiments as well. This is obvious in stuff like his lorax video. Obviously O Hare is bad and what not but he clearly tries to put a new spin on things. This is why stuff he says out of context sounds so bizarre or suspect. If you watch any of those clips they do seems iffy out of context. Overall I don't think he is at all as bad as some people are making him out to be. After all people entitled to like or dislike something.

@evapadilla8342

6 ай бұрын

The problem is that he dresses it up as critical thinking based on evidence, when a lot of the 'evidence' is false or completely made-up head cannon.

@Albionic_

5 ай бұрын

yeah, that's literally how matpat explains what his channel(s) are

I love the idea that MatPat thinks the people can just *not buy air.* It's almost like O'Hare lives off of controlling the whole supply of something that everybody needs.

@00RoxPink

Жыл бұрын

If this guy's take is "it's your fault because you won't stop breathing" imagine his take on real life topics

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

They can… if they NEEDED to buy air, they would be dead all the time because those little air fans don’t do the job lmao. The atmosphere is obviously full of air, O Hare is selling empty bottles.

@SpidemParodies

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 shut up

@diddles3383

Жыл бұрын

Just like how we pay for water irl when we shouldn't have to

@Jason_Ultimate

Жыл бұрын

​​@@cajunking5987 He's selling them clean air. Freedom from the smog that envelops the atmosphere. That is what's happening. It's why he wants more smog and no trees. Less smog = cleaner, more breathable air = less money. It's literally a cartoon villain scheme.

I respect the way MatPat’s ability to keep up with the way KZread ticks, but it does lead to some really strange takes. sometimes it feels like he picks the end first almost as a challenge for himself to see if he can prove that wild idea

@themandownstairs4765

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the Dave Chapelle bit where he says he makes punchlines before making the joke and has to write his way up to it. this would satisfactorily explain the Sans is Ness interpretation tbh

@otto_jk

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat is probably the biggest expert on gaming the algorithm in the entire KZread scene

@legendofhayden

2 жыл бұрын

@@themandownstairs4765 exactly. I wouldn’t tell him not to do it that was necessarily, but it does lead to a lot more misses than hits.

@Cream12345Ice

2 жыл бұрын

@@themandownstairs4765 yea but the sans is ness vid is a part of youtube history, its a bad theory but its still gold

@Donteatacowman

2 жыл бұрын

Now that does make sense. Like playing a game of Don't Get Me Started.

My favorite theory of his was when he made an entire theory about Neville Longbottom being the chosen one, along with Harry Potter.. he said it as if it was a totally new and crazy idea even though thats LITERALLY canon. Dumbledore literally told Harry that the prophecy applied equally to Harry and Neville, but when Voldemort tried to kill Harry he was marked his equal and the prophecy could no longer apply to Neville. Dumbledore said it was interesting that Voldemort chose Harry, a half-blood like himself, rather than Neville who was pure blood. Anyways I haven't read the books in 10 years but that was something I very clearly remembered from the books and after hearing MatPat's theory about it I thought "maybe my brain is tricking me, maybe it's not canon" so I went back and confirmed it. My memory was not tricking me, it's literally right there in the books. Anyways I'm not a potterhead but it was pretty crazy to me to hear someone making a theory that's literally canon and acting like it's a novel idea. I think I saw him say later in another video that he didn't know it was canon because he didn't read the books.

i love the implication that its more moral to starve to death than to put a restaurant out of business...

How did MatPat misinterpret a movie/book meant to be understood by literal children so badly

@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145

2 жыл бұрын

Because misinterpreting things is the whole point. He's just saying "Look, kids! Intellectual dishonesty is easy and fun!"

@doddermodd

2 жыл бұрын

The point of these theories is shine light on the most absurd and unlikely possibility.

@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145

2 жыл бұрын

@@doddermodd There's no point in shining light on things that simply aren't there. Unless the point is to create an exercise in sophistry. But let's not kid ourselves, it's just clickbait. They're not "theories" or even "possibilities". He's literally just making shit up for clicks, then using tortured logic and mental gymnastics to come up with half-assed justifications.

@shasta_le_bab

2 жыл бұрын

@@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145 bro its the lorax hes just having a good time

@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145

2 жыл бұрын

​@@shasta_le_bab Hmmmm... I wonder why you cherry picked The Lorax and ignored the more serious stuff like Us. (Just kidding I know exactly why.) Yeah I'm sure he's having a great time making tons of money from suckering in impressionable kids that can't see through his brand of bullshit.

matpat: the point of (Us) was that she was replaced and no one could tell the difference me: yeah, i agree with that, because the tethered are human like us and deserve empathy. i dont see what joel meant by bad- matpat: because our society is so shallow we wouldn't even notice if a nice normal person got replaced with soulless evil me: he had us in the first half not gonna lie

@SaschaHusenbeth

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought process

@goma3088

2 жыл бұрын

I've never even watched the movie but what little I had heard about it, I assumed a point of sympathy towards the tethered, never once thinking some might think of them as the "bad guys"

@nutwit1630

2 жыл бұрын

Especially since the tethered are a metaphor for baseless opression it really comes across like his big US take is "our society is so dumb we don't even know who to subjugate anymore" which... :/

@asmrtpop2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@nutwit1630 Also the tethered have many nonverbal autistic traits. When the mom is crying and saying she just wants her little girl back, I felt uncomfortable because her behavior isn’t “wrong” it’s just “different”. Yes in actuality the girl is the tethered girl, but the mom doesn’t know that.

@engelberthovel8566

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I really hope Matpat is just joking with this stuff because I already kind of felt like he might be a sociopath after his creepy-ass Mario video, and stuff like his lack of empathy for the tethered is kind of freaking me out

When Matpat said they didn't have Soul he was actually saying Saul Remember kids, Better Call Saul!

I won't lie, this was tough to watch. I don't watch him as much anymore, but I really liked MatPat when I was smaller. I might be overreacting over a parasocial relationship, but strangely, it really hurts to see someone I remember fondly and looked up to be rightly criticized like this, especially because the criticism is completely valid. I just feel so . . . defeated.

@87axal

6 ай бұрын

Imagine how it must feel like to grow up loving Harry Potter... :(

@ohhi7168

6 ай бұрын

People defending him are saying they're silly and aren't supposed to be taken seriously while I fully believed sm theories I watched growing up...

"sure, he didn't wanna grow the tree in the end, but..." BUT? BUT WHAT MATPAT. THAT'S THE WHOLE MOVIE. TREE = GOOD. NO TREE = BAD. IT's LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE IT'S FOR CHILDREN

@k.morningstar7983

2 жыл бұрын

i mean he missed the part where selling air is literally the most stereotypically villainous capitalist thing to do

@coatimundi69

2 жыл бұрын

@@k.morningstar7983 nothing wrong with zillionaires 🥰 /s

I always found it weird when people interpreted "Us" as a film where you were rooting for the bad guy the whole time... Adelaide being a tethered doesn't make her a bad person, and Red being from the surface doesn't automatically make her good. At the end of the day, Adelaide is still a woman fighting to protect her family. I also can't really blame a child for taking the opportunity to escape the underground tunnels at the expense of another.

@storytellingchampion6438

2 жыл бұрын

I decided to rewatch the scene where the twist is revealed and I have to say she really seems like an evil person. At least she was extremely evil before she lost her memories of the underground complex. She chokes out and kidnaps the original kid, chains her to a bed, and then takes her clothes to take over her life. All with an evil gleeful smile. She is enjoying the fact she's hurting this girl. I agree that she is protecting her family in the movie, but it is a consequence of her own incredibly evil decision as a child. The way you describe it it sounds more like she took the kid's place as a last ditch effort to escape, a desperate fearful act that you could at least sympathize with. But it isn't like she apologies to the real daughter. Or just tricks her down to the facility. She attacks her while wearing this creepy smile and chains her to a bed. What if the OG daughter hadn't been able to get free? She'd starved to death, a slow and painful death. So nah neither of them are good people.

@paperbackwriter1111

2 жыл бұрын

You can‘t fault her for it, but if you interpret the movie as being about class politics or marginalization in our society in general, I think the movie sees her as sort of a cautionary tale of a person only concerned with her own individual ascent out of her bad position. Which is a reasonable reading to make imo, given the whole „we‘re middle class, but not as middle class as our white friends, and we struggle in keeping our kids connected to Black culture in a way that isn‘t completely dissonant“ bit from the start of the movie. Her doing what she did resulted in a lot of people dying, so a bunch of people can stand in a row holding hands across America, which is sad.

@storytellingchampion6438

2 жыл бұрын

@@paperbackwriter1111 Yeah which is why I can't see the doppelgangers as not being the bad guys. They just murdered thousands of people and disrupted local emergency services, leading to the deaths of even more people. Did they go to stab babies in their cribs? Probably. I feel no sympathy for them, even if their existence and treatment is very sad. I loose all sympathy when you go on a murder spree just because you've been treated badly.

@paperbackwriter1111

2 жыл бұрын

@@storytellingchampion6438 they‘ve been lied to just as everyone has, believing that their only path to liberty is to „untether“ themselves by killing their opposites, as there would supposedly only be room for one group of them to live a human life. Were slave revolts that killed slavers wrong? Were the Haitians wrong when they killed the French who had enslaved and oppressed them and drove them off the island? I don‘t think so. The tethered believe that their surface counterparts are literally their chains. Them not knowing that this is incorrect is of course tragic, but I don‘t think they‘re the bad guys for acting upon this. EDIT: Also to borrow a line from the video: it‘s odd to apply a human code of morality to people who have been denied being seen as human for their entire existence.

@tobyandahalf

2 жыл бұрын

@@storytellingchampion6438 I can think of a few people off the top of my head I would gladly kick off a volcano because of how they treated me. Not saying I think the tethered were justified in what they did, just saying I understand the motive. Also I have no clue if I worded that correctly because I can't speak English properly

You saying "Does he watch the show?" is so hilarious because, in a game theory, he theorizes about a character being another being but that fact is revealed at the end of the game itself.

@VidelxSpopovich

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. MatPat is a fake fan and a fake gamer. Just another asshole is a sea of millions jumping on the hype train because gaming and film is popular now. A sort of cultural appropriation from nerds.

@alicjaz2771

8 ай бұрын

What game is that?

@taniajimenez8863

6 ай бұрын

@@alicjaz2771hollow knight I think.

Honestly, the way Matt refers to the Onceler, you'd think he was projecting himself unto him.

@huhthatsinteresting1644

2 жыл бұрын

A oncler kinnie

@zeromythosver.

2 жыл бұрын

@@huhthatsinteresting1644 Mat has 100% had a Tumblr which he used, guy was a drama kid after all God I don’t miss 2000s internet “fandom” culture, he was absolutely engaged in plenty of it, and probably thought the Onceler was a badass libertarian going their own way A LGTOW if you will

@mikejeffries3333

2 жыл бұрын

I know we're talking about the movie, but wasn't that why Seuss never showed the Onceler's face in the book? The idea that that could be literally anybody (even you), even if they might have started out as a humble salesperson, and once they become too powerful, that power (in the Onceler's case, the success of the thneed and the money he made from them) is going to corrupt them, to the point where literally destroying the world doesn't seem like such a problem, so long as they get money out of it?

@tmsluigi

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I thought the exact same thing. It just seems like he is talking about himself there.

@TressonKaru

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikejeffries3333 it's partly why I hate modern interpretations of dr Seuss stories. It feels like alot of the miss the point of the message and tries to add into to much backstory for certain characters. Or it tries to add in so much filler to a story that could easily be told in 15 minutes.

"The onceler isn't bad because he made a product that everyone wanted" the entire point of the thneed is that it is literally a useless nothing item, it's existence is meant to represent consumerism and the products you are convinced that you must have, but don't actually need. Everyone wanted it, but only because they were artificially convinced.

@zoe_astra

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly!!

@progunjack5556

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't art is also a useless nothing item??? Like seriously I don't find any reason why majority of people like music, painting, or even books except for just to having fun just like the thneed that everyone wore just to having fun, art is consumerism at it's finest

@ansel569

2 жыл бұрын

@@progunjack5556 the thneed isn't art, though, and the onceler didnt make it as art, he literally made it as a product to be sold, to make him rich, and nothing more. that is what makes it useless and nothing. His first attempts to sell it don't even work, so it's not like it had some inherent quality that made people like it.

@voizeguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@progunjack5556 Well art can be educational as well. So it has a similar value to school or parents.

@lpfan4491

2 жыл бұрын

@@progunjack5556 It has been proven that Art can have a positive effect on the brain. a literal nothing-item does not.

A shame that the "The Empire was right!" video didn't make it in. Where Matt argues that the Empire is actually nice, because the Imperial who was about to sacrifice a baby for power, before participating and dying in the annual Empire Backstab Olympics, said so. In the same conversation where he also mentioned how the Empire committed genocide on Mandalore, because they dared to be an independent government.

"But what about the profit margins of the Ratatouille restaurant?!"

Hershey: Literally enslaves children. Matpat: Sorry I just can't fault them for creating and selling a product that everyone wants!

@jenm1

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, libs have 0 understanding of nuance

@tmaxgo6696

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenm1 explains

@jackweaver1846

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenm1 liberals are pro-capitalism?

@xoire9754

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenm1 I feel like you've gotten yourself very confused.

@MichaelSchiciano

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackweaver1846 NeoLiberalism is very much a pro-capitalist mentality.

One thing that bothers me about the Lorax theory is how quickly mattpat is to point at the consumer. It's just like IRL ; where to resolve climate change people need to stop using straws... And like sure, we should stop using plastic straws. But also, it's not because we stop that the climate crisis will be averted. Big companies LOVE to point fingers at US for being bad and consuming badly but they don't like when we're the one calling out their gigantic corporations and shitty actions, and they sure as hell don't wanna change. Mattpat is just doing the same as politicians and giga corporations. It's not their fault, it's ours. And that's not a really good message to send. We shouldn't have to protest and boycott to literally survive for the next 30 years because people decided that money is better and more valuable than any life on earth.

@cosmojenkins3020

2 жыл бұрын

29% of the issue is caused by The People, while 71% is caused by corporations. So even if all of us decided to boycott and live perfectly clean lives it wouldnt even make a massive difference.

@tompatterson1548

2 жыл бұрын

The lorax is interesting because if the Oncler had listened to the lorax, he would’ve made more money. In wiping out the Truffula tree, he killed too his business, but a more sustainable practice would’ve ensured long term success.

@guy-sl3kr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I noticed that all his bad takes have a very pro-capitalist, rugged individual, systemic problems don't exist vibe to them. I hereby diagnose mattpat with rich American syndrome. I'm sorry to say that it's terminal.

@papasscooperiaworker3649

2 жыл бұрын

@@guy-sl3kr Classism is so widespread and yet I feel like it's the one thing no one acknowledges

@joujou264

2 жыл бұрын

And you can even see how the straw thing is being solved, COMPANIES switching over to biodegradables due to laws and social pressure, not consumers just quitting straws altogether. It is companies that need to change their practises, not consumers searching for niche, unknown companies with prices that might outweigh the utility of the product.

26:00 Now's your chance Big Joel

@crystalrose043

Жыл бұрын

Was just thinking that lmao

25:57 Now that Justin Roiland has been ousted I assume Joel is going to be the new Voice Actor for Morty. Congrats Joel!

Joel holds their mic like they're holding a goblet filled with liquid truth

@SeiShinjitsuShi

2 жыл бұрын

He looks like a ring announcer to me.

@LexYeen

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, not wrong on both counts.

@SECONDQUEST

2 жыл бұрын

It's my favorite.

@NoiseDay

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@mophead_xu

2 жыл бұрын

legit question: so does joel go by neutral pronouns (they) or neutral and masc (they/he)?

Matpat probably: "People in British controlled India ate food, and sometimes even danced and listened to music! Therefore British colonial rule of India must have been good! They even provided a product everyone was lining up to buy, Opium!" It's just a theory...

@elizabethlee2136

2 жыл бұрын

I think the problem with Matt pat. Is that he's dripping with sarcasm. He learned from early success that his fans as they were, like big over the top reactions and conspiratorial thinking. Since he's too charming and personable and polite to let out a torrent of f bombs, when he criticizes the absurdity of a situation, it still comes off as sincere. I'm not saying he's a centrist or a sellout... he's comfortably explained he likes success. But since he is not angry doesn't swear and doesn't have long one hour videos people assume when he says what he believes. And while I do think he added a feelgood message at the end and "I think the Lorax sucks and it shouldn't have a villain" isn't an amazing hot take, people assume he's not sarcastic because he doesn't swear and isn't mean. Half of his videos about secret villain or secret hero plots are dripping with absurdity and sarcasm and self referential humor to his old fans. He did a banger about Hazbin Hotel that everyone took so seriously.

@-Zevin-

2 жыл бұрын

@@luizabianco Oh wow, I could cut it some slack if the game was itself Indian and made by Indian developers but I'm guessing it wasn't... As a side note, isn't weird how people can't separate nudity from sexuality. Nudity isn't inherently sexual.

@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@luizabianco that seems like a full and total lie

@ChadPANDA...

2 жыл бұрын

@@luizabianco which video was that ?

@renlevy411

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethlee2136 Yeah the Grubhub theory was my last straw. It is so bad it is hilarious.

MatPat blaming the consumer it peak centrist and the reason why we're barreling into oblivion as a society. There is no accountability for corporations because centrists say 'corporations are good actually, they provide jobs and make products' as if that's all there is to say about corporations in our society. A lot of the points he makes are very surface level, and I'd say this about his understanding of science as well. He jumps to projection and trying to fit the evidence to his preconceived worldviews and theories rather than just following the evidence.

On the subject of stealing in Ratatouille, let's also not forget the whole thread of Skinner trying to steal the restaurant (which Gusteau lawfully left to Linguini). That's clearly framed as bad and wrong, but Remy and co do also steal in a similar way. I think this gets at the idea of how we view similar actions differently based on different contexts, and how circumstances do matter, sometimes more than moral absolutes.

The “onceler isn’t too bad actually” take aged me like a million years

@zuresei

2 жыл бұрын

how ba-a-a-ad could he be?

@randomanimations6770

2 жыл бұрын

@@zuresei he's just doing what comes naturally

@BroadwayBrittany

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. Everyone knows the real villain is the Greedler.

"This produces a deep contradiction within the ideology of Ratatouille" this is the most Big Joel quote I have ever heard

26:04 "Justin if you ever don't wanna be Morty I'll take it" If only you knew what was to come...

@VidelxSpopovich

10 ай бұрын

I mean… if fits. MatPat seems like the sort of person who would rape people.

I think the Remy stealing take ignores a good chunk of why the major theft scene causing the rift between Remy and Linguini actually happened. Remy was super mega ultra pissed at Linguini, and so he stole as a way of saying "I don't give a shit anymore about you". Remy didn't steal in this scene because his family needed it. The only time the family was in danger so to speak is when Django (Remy's dad) almost ate rat poison and Remy saved his life. After Remy's absence, not much seemed to happen in the form if Rat poison related tragedies, so framing the theft as a form of helping out his family doesn't work in this instance.-

25:16 my biggest argument against Matpat’s argument about Morty not being consistent is that he’s 14. I would hardly say that 14 year olds are known for being consistent with their behavior and beliefs, y’know since they’re still in their formative years where they’re learning about the world and who they are

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention, Morty has probably experienced a lot of traumatizing things and that has to have some sort of effect on his development.

@SeisoYabai

2 жыл бұрын

Shit I'm 24 and I feel like I change beliefs every other week... Its just a part of being human I general

@HOTD108_

2 жыл бұрын

How many years has Morty been 14? Like 10 years now?

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

@@HOTD108_ Eight, but you aren't too far off.

@AL-lh2ht

2 жыл бұрын

Mortys character definitely changes by seasons bases.

Mattpatt's political beliefs are very telling when he's fine with people getting rich by destroying the planet but a rat cannot steal food to survive.

@amberdent651

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, after I watched his most recent "state of YT" video, I can't say I'm all that surprised. The idea that venture capital firms are trying to buy and sell YT channels like stocks, or that the narrowing of content to get around demonetization and censors are all good things, or at the very least just a symptom of YT "growing up," really rubbed me the wrong way.

@Ironpecker

2 жыл бұрын

@@amberdent651 I mean it's just the reality of things on KZread, it's becoming more and more like any other job and it feels like that way for a lot of bigger channels. Maybe the growing up metaphor wasn't the best and it's not necessarily a good thing, but it's just how things are

@inyrui

2 жыл бұрын

@@amberdent651 it's true though. youtube is like any other medium and it will get more corporate also a lot of his videos aren't written by him, saying his videos reflect his political views is... dumb. trying to make the villain into the good guy is just a good video idea and it's proven to get views. i don't think it reflects his political views especially considering that he most likely didn't research or write the video anyway lol. people are taking his videos way too seriously

@7000_Skeletons

2 жыл бұрын

@@inyrui If he's comfortable making political statements that are against his own beliefs to his audience, that actually says a lot more about him than it would if he believes what he says

@octaviusroosevelt7355

2 жыл бұрын

@@inyrui Okay, so let's say he is caught in the middle and can't do anything about what he's putting out (which is already very unlikely). He can leave or speak out against that content on a separate account. Something people seem to not grasp is that not picking sides is in fact subtly siding with the oppressor because if you don't choose sides, you're allowing the oppression to continue. If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Just saying man. Recent news of Justin being booted off the show has offered you a VERY lucrative opportunity to snatch up that Voice of Morty Smith position

26:03 prophesied something. 🤞

Mattpatts libertarian bs has bugged the crap out of me for so many years, ever since he made that video about how we dont have to worry about climate change because capitalism breeds innovation and corporations will change to be less horrible, i have had a lump on my brain that irritates me from time to time.

@fullmetaltheorist

2 жыл бұрын

Matpat is very left wing. And yes capitalism does breed innovation. Communism and socialism are hirrifyingly inefficient.

@WaallyOne

2 жыл бұрын

What's called a tumor

@EEEEeee2748

2 жыл бұрын

huh yeah he can be an idiot from time to time. I still have some respect for his original channel and the annual fundraiser he hosts, but I hate the social and art analysis ugh

@antipsychotic451

2 жыл бұрын

@@fullmetaltheorist Is that why the Soviet Union went from a shitty underdeveloped agrarian state to a fully-industrialized state that was shooting rockets into orbit in under 50 years? Please pick up a history book, if you're even able to read.

@naoyanaraharjo4693

2 жыл бұрын

@@antipsychotic451 you forgot the part where non Europe USSR got left off. Pretty damn badly, and is a living example that USSR with the oppurtunity given to the US will be the same demon Aral Sea is an example. Western trash tankies like you deserve no place on the left, you wont be the party member in case of a vanguardist revolution bud

"Vote with your wallet" is great because it nicely demonstrates how capitalism is inherently undemocratic. The last time I went to vote there was no bald guy there with a billion more votes than me, to my knowledge.

@suryamohan3410

2 жыл бұрын

just a guy who could pay for ads that played everywhere

@valletas

2 жыл бұрын

@@suryamohan3410 yeah thats also a good point dont matter who has the best ideas out there most of the time the one with the most money to buy ads will win

@hewhomustnotbenamed5912

2 жыл бұрын

Hundred billion votes more than you actually.

@Zaurthur

2 жыл бұрын

Be less poor

@DovahFett

2 жыл бұрын

No economic system is democratic. Nor should they be. But that's not the point. When people say to "vote with your wallet" they don't literally mean it's a voting system, it's a figure of speech. What they mean is that by depriving a seller of income and making them aware of the reason why, you can persuade said seller to change their practices in some way. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it does not. It doesn't matter how much money they have as nearly as much as it matters how much money they want to make in the future. It's an economic game of chicken and it can end either way. The only other alternative is government interference which can give even more mixed results depending on the competency and motives of the government.