how are we liking the shorter videos arc

@middaymeds

Жыл бұрын

Nice mix-up between ultra effort big Joel and no-effort little joel

@artaaangels

Жыл бұрын

very fun videos! the topics + length make for easy viewing. longer videos i usually save to watch later for when i have a lot of time, but i can watch the shorter videos pretty much any time.

@slauthordraws3363

Жыл бұрын

nice

@sussycecil

Жыл бұрын

I like both!!!

@JB-bc2ry

Жыл бұрын

Pretty satisfying to have w/ a morning scone

this whole message of "hannah momtana is an unhealthy fake identity" feels very odd considering the whole point of the hannah montana identity is so that miley CAN live her life normally as herself, it protects her from celebritydom, this secret identity is the one thing allowing her to be authentic in her daily life

@myenglishisbadpleasecorrec5446

Жыл бұрын

momtana

@jobobrien1420

Жыл бұрын

a Freudian slip in the truest sense

@josei1624

Жыл бұрын

It's even weirder when you think about how miles Cyrus didn't get to have that. I always found it a little fucked up that they made it a point to have her be named the same as her charachter, have her actual dad play her dad, let her tour as hannah Montana and do nothing to separate the charachter from the child actress.

@raveneskridge3143

Жыл бұрын

@@josei1624 and we all saw how that turned out for her

@petrify4814

Жыл бұрын

@Raven Eskridge not that bad in the long run? Like, honestly, her "scandals" were pretty tame and allowed her to figure out who she was and what she wanted, and now she's extremely happy and making amazing art that makes her happy.

you know a girl's really goin through it when she doesn't recognize her own horse 😔

@drakep.5857

Жыл бұрын

"It's really ironic, like how girls who like horses tend to be unstable." - shammy

@somedudeok1451

Жыл бұрын

The passive aggressive shaming from her dad too. Like, maybe she has other interests than horses. There are girls who don't care about horses - what a shock.

@christopherlundgren1700

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like something that should be an idiom. "Now there's a girl that don't recognize her own horse."

@oppakunn328

Жыл бұрын

​@@somedudeok1451 It kinda makes sense cause in the show, she was a horse girl to an extent. Literally got her fanily to move so she'll have room for the horse

@casper_z1259

Жыл бұрын

Relatable

The message is clear: to be authentic you've got to hide your secret identity, but also not hide it, but most importantly be exactly who your parents and prospective boyfriend want you to be. Hey! A song!

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

Жыл бұрын

"Do you want to be what society expect of you, or what I expect of you?"

@huxley3043

Жыл бұрын

Accidentally real.

@krngl421

Жыл бұрын

The entire concept of authenticity makes no sense at all once you think about it. Even its motto, "Be yourself", is paradoxical at more than one level.

@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian

Жыл бұрын

Correct

@somedudeok1451

Жыл бұрын

Also don't wear jeans - the good guys don't like sluts!

So idk about anyone else but having grown up in Alabama I think the love interest is just the most accurate portrayal of the average southern boy possible and I for one appreciate it for dispelling the myth that southern men are desirable in any capacity

@salyx

Жыл бұрын

😂

@embarrassedcap

Жыл бұрын

as another person from Alabama I can confirm

@brynniefresh9746

Жыл бұрын

As a kid I didn't think there was anything wrong with him, cause now I can see he was really dramatic but I figured he didn't like that she was pretending to be someone else to his face and all that. It's not super clear, but I think the writers just needed to get to certain plot points and that was what they landed on even if it didn't make 100% sense it was for children who probably understood lmao

@autumntaylor2533

Жыл бұрын

I have friends who have southern/country boys as their "type" and I'm like... girlypop this man does not wash his ass

@KrissyBlues

Жыл бұрын

@@brynniefresh9746 Oh this was 100% why he wound up written this way, I just think it's funny how unintentionally accurate and uncritical the movie is to southern mentality lol

I've never thought this deeply about Hannah Montana BUT: Miley feeling guilty about her dad not having a romantic partner does come from the show (I can't believe I remember this). In the show, there's multiple storylines about how her being Hannah Montana affects the entire family and takes over their whole lives. He's not just her dad, but her manager, so his whole life is about her, to the point that her brother also feels left out in his own family. As for the secret "getting out", it was inevitably where the story had to go, bc the show became more and more about her struggles living a "double life". If I'm not mistaken there was another season or two after the movie, and it ends with her actually telling the world and not being Hannah Montana anymore, effectively killing off any possibility of another season or movie. I also think this kind of mirrors Miley Cyrus's struggle with being a Disney star, especially one that borrowed so much from her real life (her name, her father, her godmother, her homestate). I think it just evolved with her real self.

@starsINSPACE

Жыл бұрын

Oh I thought it was just the thing where Disney channel shows act like if your parents are busy then you can go party or whatever. 😂

@thepants1450

Жыл бұрын

Freak cinema

@Solanuma

Жыл бұрын

"i just like to watch you guys :)"

@UshioKiss

Жыл бұрын

​@stars I think even in normal single parent households a child can want their parent to have a romantic partner since the parent might need to move on from their former partner or their lives revolve too much around their kids.

@starsINSPACE

Жыл бұрын

@@UshioKiss very true, but sometimes kids shows just play things for laughs is all

I like how its a cliche of teen movies/Disney movies to have a scene thats like "No Dad, thats YOUR dream, not mine" but this movie is like "my daughter's dreams are actually wrong and its correct to be a good old country girl"

@Michaelalovespandas

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Miley is a girl and Troy Bolton is a guy, so the message is totally different

@witchassbitch3

9 ай бұрын

@@MichaelalovespandasTEAAAAAAA

This movie captures the magical moment when you come out of the closet and the entire town forces you back inside

Allegedly the film was originally going to end with Hannah's persona being retired for good but then the show got renewed and they had to scramble to bring Hannah back. They fell ass-backwards into being unhinged. Context: For a while leading up to this point Disney Channel's policy was that a show would get precisely 65 episodes and then if it was popular enough it got the sendoff movie. Around this time a number of ultra-popular shows started seeing themselves extended to 100 episodes instead, and this was probably the biggest example of that.

@danopticon

Жыл бұрын

That’s genuinely fascinating. Any reason why 65? Like, up until the ‘90s broadcast sitcoms would aim for … uh, I think it was four seasons? … because that would mean the show had enough episodes to enter syndication, at which point all of the above-the-line cast and crew could, at least in theory, sit back and collect residual checks as those rolled in. (DVD sales changed that equation somewhat, as they meant one-season shows which gained cult status could continue generating revenues from home media sales rather than from reruns.) 65 seems like such an arbitrary number, plus Disney is such a self-contained ecosystem, I imagine there must have been a reason for that cutoff number.

@safrussalmus9056

Жыл бұрын

@@danopticon It's exactly 65 because it's 365 * 5 / 7 / 4, or rather exactly a quater year of an episode a day on weekdays for reruns.

@gorimbaud

Жыл бұрын

@@danopticon the syndication goal was 100 episodes, which could have been convered by four seasons if they were long enough, and that lasted well past "until the '90s". i'd guess it was more likely through the 00s, until streaming became more prominent. the 65 episode rule probably had something to do with _how_ self-contained the disney channels ecosystem was, so syndication wasn't a goal, and they had to fit into a schedule with al the other shows. the best guess i've seen as to where the 65 number came from is 5 episodes a week (every week day) for 13 weeks gives you 65, so if you have a bunch of 65-episode shows, you can slot four of them into a single timeslot each year.

@clawsoon

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm curious how far back the phenomenon of stories being made nonsensical for money reasons goes. Did Shakespeare ever make one of his plots go off the rails to satisfy a patron?

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

@@danopticon It's obviously a loving tribute to Walt Disney himself, who died in that very year of the 20th Century.

Todd in the Shadows looked at this one a few years back, and when he covered the ending i was gobsmacked. They spend an entire film shaming Miley for wanting to be Hannah. Literally brainwashing her to the point where she’s finally ready to be ‘herself’ onstage, and the ENTIRE TOWN turns a complete 180 & tells her they don’t WANT the real her - they want the fake person! Screw Miley - we want Hannah! I’d swear this was a massive conspiracy to break her so completely that she joins their death cult or something, because to be tricked into exposing herself like that only to be utterly rejected like should have been DEVASTATING.

@Jem640

Жыл бұрын

The Hannah Montana Movie walked so Midsommar could run

@cajunguy6502

Жыл бұрын

I'm not kidding, this is literally the exactly the plot of a South Park episode featuring Brittany Spears (well, a cartoon likeness of her), and the episode ended hinting that Miley was next! Not even joking, this episode was during Brittany's initial breakdown phase, and the boys were confused as to why everyone was being so harsh and cruel to a woman who obviously needed some help and support. The big reveal was an ancient harvest ritual where they would uplift a pretty young woman, then drive her to deleting herself as a sacrifice her to the god of the Harvest. And like I said, the episode ends with the obvious implication that Miley Cyrus was next. Why hasn't anyone connected that episode to that movie!?!?WTF, Matpat, get on this!

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

"A few years ago?" It's been over a decade, old friend!

@TheTygre

Жыл бұрын

His breakdown during the Ho-Down Rap is one of my favorite bits.

@cajunguy6502

Жыл бұрын

@@NotoriousLightning you're killing me, bro. I keep having to remind my self that my kids are as far removed from the 90s as I am from the 70s! 😂 That stings!

"If i was taken to a farm and told i couldnt be big joel anymore, id kill myself" is top tier material also regarding the plotline about miley trying to get her dad a gf, that was something that happened pretty often in the show and i just like to imagine its in bily rays contract at this point

@jayplay8869

Жыл бұрын

Having read this before the part in the video… it didn’t lessin the blow of how amazing of a line that was.

@ddjsoyenby

Жыл бұрын

than he'd have to be little joel........and that guy sucks!

@amalgamfrostpink5030

Жыл бұрын

I had to replay it hahaha

@skribblestyle

Жыл бұрын

That destroyed me lmao, I had to pause the video.

@atticmuse3749

Жыл бұрын

especially him breaking into laughter after it and having to cut

Finally someone is talking about the important issues influencers are too scared to tackle

@ddjsoyenby

Жыл бұрын

too few people talk about this banger of a movie......unlike big joel they're just big cowards!

The weirdest thing is that the movie doesn't even take place after the show, it's like a weird parallel universe. Absolutely none of the events in the movie are ver brought up again and it has no effect whatsoever on the show. It's amazing

@kierangrossman1814

Жыл бұрын

You’re right that it has no effect on the show, but it does get mentioned once or twice. Nashville gets treated like this closed-off pocket dimension which is the ONLY place that people know Miley’s secret, as if not a single person who lives there would leak it to the press.

@camelopardalis84

Жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in an explanation of your username.

@eisenstan

Жыл бұрын

@@camelopardalis84 i'm bi and i relate to rory. i also ship her with paris, so i'm just shamelessly projecting

@camelopardalis84

Жыл бұрын

@@eisenstan Interesting. Go ahead then. :) Like you need my permission.

@eisenstan

Жыл бұрын

@@camelopardalis84 aww that’s cute lol

“This guy’s weird face disturbs me, and I, uh, hate him.” Same line I use to get out of jury duty.

I think the general idea of this film was made because Miley Cyrus wanted to perform as herself, and making a movie that emphasized Miley Cyrus over Hannah Montana was the way she got it.

@cashmerenerd

Жыл бұрын

and we got her performing hoedown throwdown, could have been worse. (boom boom clap, boom de clap de clap)

@Justalittleguy37

Жыл бұрын

So she got the best of both worlds

@cajunguy6502

Жыл бұрын

Meta.

@phoebexxlouise

Жыл бұрын

They were trying to transition from the persona into the real Miley Cyrus. It worked on "meet Miley Cyrus" and they went 100% with the climb, then Party in the USA. That song was number one and solidified her as a star. Beyond that they didn't really care, especially once the show was done

@JLittleBass

Жыл бұрын

That makes the ending extra weird then, doesn't it?

YES! About time someone talked about this movie! Here's what's bugging me: this entire movie is a fucking fractal, it's more meta and self-referential than the Mandlebrot set. So, Miley is playing Miley who is playing Hannah, her dad Billy Ray plays her character's dad -Billy- Robby Ray, her dad pushed her into being a child star who plays a girl being pushed by her dad (played by her dad) into being a child star! Then, the ending of the movie comes along and, because Miley wants to stop playing Miley who is playing Hannah (because she just wants to pursue her singing career as Miley, not as Miley playing Miley playing Hannah), movie Miley wants to stop being Hannah and just be Miley, but because real-life Miley has to put up with her fandom, movie Miley has to compromise, just like real-life Miley has to compromise. You follow? At the very end, (movie) Miley dons the Hannah persona once more and she performs on top of a truck slowly departing from the stage she was on and this is the closest we get to a symbolic gesture that (real-life) Miley has had enough of the Miley-playing-Hannah persona and wants to move away from her previous career and into performing as Miley. BUT, since this is all happening in a movie that Miley was contractually obligated to play in (because of her dad, who is playing her character's dad), that departure is still constrained by the boundaries of the movie (she can't move far enough before the credits roll). Miley Cyrus is still trying to move away from Hannah Montana, who has been haunting her since her being a toddler, she had to grow up not being herself, but playing herself, a child star, as a character who is a child star. Miley, in all her-fractal ontology, is the tragic meta-figure of our time. Also, the boyfriend is an ass and I hate him too, good take.

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

This was a very excellent comment. I thank you, and have to say I pushed the like button just a little bit.

@voidc4

Жыл бұрын

This is the conspiracy board meme

@ruddycrock

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit.

@witchassbitch3

9 ай бұрын

How did you take every scrambled Cyrus family/Hannah Montana thought from my head and make it coherent

It seems like Little Joel is just sort of a small sized kid but secretly he moonlights as Large Joel, an extremely successful KZreadr with an estimated net worth of around 5 million dollars.

@zagreus5773

Жыл бұрын

He is truly living the best of both worlds, little and big.

@mantlegade5045

Жыл бұрын

ONE. MILLION. DOLLARS. 😀

@hughcaldwell1034

Жыл бұрын

The five-million-dollars call-back got a genuine spit-take out of me. Thanks for that.

@TheAmorphousGamer

Жыл бұрын

an extremely successful short-film director, actor, and producer* big joel is my favorite celebrity

Can you imagine making a movie about how an author who wrote under an alias is being fake? The books that author writes are still authentic, they still came from the same person. Hannah IS authentic, she is an expression of Miley's artistic talent. She's just doing it in a wig, and with a fake name. No longer doing the things Hannah does would be a betrayal of her inner self. And no longer using the fake name would not make her more authentic, it would just mean she was exposing herself to unwanted attention.

@youtubeuniversity3638

Жыл бұрын

Definitely need more stories about having more than one authenticity.

@Karalora

Жыл бұрын

This movie, like many many others (not just from Disney--Hallmark is a big offender here) conflates personal authenticity with small-town/rural living and the cultural products that tend to be valued by small-town/rural (white) Americans. Although the movie (presumably, I haven't seen it) doesn't say so in so many words, the "fakeness" of Hannah Montana has as much to do with her genre of music--and its association with contemporary city life--as it does the fact that she is an assumed identity. It's not that getting back to the country town where she grew up will make her more genuine--it's that people living in country towns *are* genuine, by definition, in contrast to people in big cities who are fake. No one would ever make the flipped version of this movie, about a city native who makes it big in Country/Western under an assumed identity and has to rediscover their urban roots--there's no such thing, in the language of this genre of film, as "urban roots," and no such thing as a person whose "true self" can best be expressed through city life.

@randyohm3445

Жыл бұрын

@@Karalora That's a really good point, I think you nailed it. There absolutely is a sense that small town culture - and western/southern culture - is more authentic than big city culture. WOW that's weird when you think about it.

@emilyrln

Жыл бұрын

@@Karaloraoooh dang you're right… that's really weird!

@zubetp

11 ай бұрын

it's certainly odd, because freedom through disguise and anonymity is a trope that's been examined thoroughly since shakespeare. in modern versions of it, the guilt over the disguise is also inherent to the trope. so to have that guilt be affirmed as being fundamentally correct and the character urged to put the disguise _back on_ seems like the story took a wrong turn at albuquerque and forgot what it was about lol. it's just weird.

Telling your fans that you would end your life if you couldn't be Big Joel is a dangerous message. 1 out of every 1,042 baby boys and 1 out of every 254,212 baby girls born in 2021 was named Joel. This means that, statistically speaking, nearly 100% of your audience is not a Joel of any size.

@dRac_XII

Жыл бұрын

oh shit why did you have to make me think about the amount of joel i’m not

@billygoatguy3960

Жыл бұрын

i think if i were to make a popstar persona big joel and everyone loved me but my southern country family hated big joel i could make it work

@brennuswhite1845

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the average Big Joel fan is from 2021 except for me😊

@jjjjj8455

Жыл бұрын

Ima name my daughter Joel

@kaitlyn1689

Жыл бұрын

Very good, but you seem to forget that not even big Joel is called Joel. He's called Henry. So clearly, being Joel is a state of mind. Not sure about size though...

3:30 "I'm a celebrity of a kind, and if I was taken to a farm and told I couldn't be big Joel anymore, I'd kill myself" I'm timestamping this as one of the most big Joel moments

@thomascheckie2394

Жыл бұрын

😂

@diemdia

Жыл бұрын

I laughed so loud I scared myself a lil bit

@meursault7030

Жыл бұрын

So fucking funny

@Mrdest211

Жыл бұрын

Include the 1-second pause and the cackle

@Graemyr

Жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this was a real gut buster

So, when I was a kid I played the accompanying Wii game to this movie, and what I got from the game more than the movie was that Billy Ray was just a stick-in-the-mud who needed to chill out, find a girlfriend, and let his daughter have the best of both worlds. I think actively playing as Miley/Hannah increases the viewers’ favor toward her side of the story. For me, as a kid, I always walked away from the game and movie thinking that the point of it all was that you can have two identities, but that they should never mix. Miley is scolded when she accidentally brings Hannah to a “real life” event at the beginning of the movie, and is again scolded when she purposely brings Miley to a Hannah event.

@Liboo52

Жыл бұрын

That’s such an astute observation about how the beginning and ending mirror each other. Miley can’t catch a break!

@AnhBui-pd3ys

Жыл бұрын

what I got from this comment is that Miley wasn't crying for her dad when he broke up with his girlfriend, rather, she was crying for herself because she realized she'll never have freedom from her overbearing freak of a dad. Those were genuine tears of fear!

Lily also forgives Miley about 10 minutes in because she realised she overreacted, the whole reason Billy hijacked her plane and decided she needs to be authentic. Its like the movie recognised that if anyone in her life legitimately believed that theyd realise its selfish of them

thank god big joel uploaded, now i dont have to think about the little joel dumptruck allegations

@Gustoberg

Жыл бұрын

​@@prageruwu69 oh totally, little joel perpetuates a lot of doggeotypes on his videos

@angelodusoleil

Жыл бұрын

I’m really disappointed in him. I saw him at the grocery, so I decided to ask him what his thoughts on the allegations were, but he hissed at me before having his entourage line up to kick me in the testicles. He was the last in line and, boy, wouldn’t you know that he had an iron boot equipped. Anyway, never meet your heroes or whatever.

When I watched the movie, the fact she had a huge fight with another celebrity over shoes was something she was called a huge diva and selfish for but the thing is, she was trying to get those shoes FOR HER BEST FRIENDS BIRTHDAY. She most definitely didn’t have to take it that far, but she was a teenager, and doing that and proceeding to have your face in tabloids for the sake of making sure your best friend would have something she’d love for her birthday felt like the opposite of being a self centered celebrity

@mightymeatymech

Жыл бұрын

actually, now that we know what we know about tyra..... i would pay good money to see her take it further /j

@Oriko-Magica

Жыл бұрын

@@mightymeatymech I know nothing about Tyra Banks except this movie and that the main character of dork diaries liked her so

@SimonBuchanNz

Жыл бұрын

​@@Oriko-MagicaAllison Pregler has a series where she just reads Tyra's very, very, *very* not ghost written novel. I feel that's the ideal medium to learn what a Tyra Banks is.

@mightymeatymech

Жыл бұрын

@@Oriko-Magica oh honey, please watch America's next top model LMFAOOOOO

@Oriko-Magica

Жыл бұрын

@@mightymeatymech Hm… I think I’m just gonna trust you on this one because the alternative would be watching Americas next top model.

fun fact! because of this movie's existence, there's a video game with the title of "hannah montana: the movie: the game"

@cosmicjenny4508

Жыл бұрын

My second favourite videogame title next to “Peter Jackson’s King Kong - The Official Game of the Movie”

@badger6882

Жыл бұрын

praying for "hannah montana: the movie: the game: the review"

@coldhardwick

Жыл бұрын

What this film also the catalyst for the Hannah Montana themed Linux operating system?

@andlabs

Жыл бұрын

the sequel to Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game that no one asked for

@danopticon

Жыл бұрын

PLEASE someone get Broadway to back _Hannah Montana: the Movie: the Game: the Musical._

The Hannah Montana/Miley Stewart reveal in the actual show makes way more sense. Lilly, Jesse, Robby Ray, and Jackson having to make all these sacrifices for her. Lilly gave up college for her, Oliver/Jackson being disregarded, Jesse having the whole world hating him, and Robby Ray giving up his relationships for Miley. Miley was pretty selfish through the show and everyone had to make everything revolve around her, so her ultimately giving up the secret was a good move (giving it up made her life easier too, since having the best of both worlds couldn’t last forever).

Thankfully Travis is a movie-only character. In the show, Miley has a long relationship with a character named Jake, who she reveals her identity to herself. He's an actor so the initial basis of their relationship is that they can understand the issues that come with fame. However the endgame guy for Miley is Jesse, one of the guitarists in her band who fully figures out her secret by himself (I think the only character to do so on the show), and from what I remember he doesn't look down on her for her choice, even tolerating the press calling him a cheater as he gets photographed with her as both Hannah and Miley.

@InternetsPedestrian

Жыл бұрын

I never understood why they let Hannah chose Jake during the love triangle episode to make him cheat on her later and bring back Jesse

@shigekax

Жыл бұрын

Ok but then paparazzi have pictures of these two girls next to the same guy and can't figure out she's the same girl ? My disbelief is not suspended.

@ActuallyAnanya

Жыл бұрын

@@InternetsPedestrian I think they probably wanted to go down the first love route initially when they brought him back, but then realised that way more people watching were into the Jesse type of guy and decided to switch it up.

@ActuallyAnanya

Жыл бұрын

@@shigekax I think the logic (shaky, but there) was that it's easier to just assume this guy is a cheater than that this popstar is living an entire secret double life.

@screamingcactus1753

Жыл бұрын

@@ActuallyAnanya But then that opens the question of why nobody thinks it's weird that Hannah is never seen casually in public. Like she does her performance or a promotional gig and then as soon as it's over and she leaves the stage, she effectively falls off the face of the earth. You'd think people would start to notice that this super famous popstar just doesn't exist outside of her scheduled appearances

I hate the fact that I know this, but the ending was rewritten after the show got renewed at the last minute so they had to keep the premise going. Originally she was just supposed to discard the false identity altogether.

I love it when movie writers take their show's whole theme and character, takes a big shit on it, and then cleans that shit off, and serves it right back to us with a big musical finale

It's so ironic that authenticity is such a theme in Disney movies considering that a more inauthentic corporation than Disney has never existed.

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

What's so inauthentic about Disney, then?

@kingcrimson4133

Жыл бұрын

​@@NotoriousLightningPumping out art as a commodity for money rather than for any real attempt at creating something with integrity and spirit. Like I get it if you like the films, they're fun and all that, but you're kidding yourself if you watch any Disney movie released in the last 30 years and think it's anything other than inoffensive, status-quo embracing schlock meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator and maximize profit. The profit motive downright _necessitates_ inauthenticity.

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

@@kingcrimson4133 They're pretty open about that being what they're doing, though. If greed is part of your essential character, then surely pumping out this stuff would make you authentic? Is your good friend Bobbby Fripp inauthentic because he releases all those live albums with the terrible sound quality? I don't know him personally, so I wouldn't know. It's stupid to talk about the authenticity of people or entities when we can't know exactly what is going on in their minds and what not.

@BeepSmile

Жыл бұрын

'Enron' springs to mind.

That seemed to be a HUGE Disney Movie thing, where either the kid is completely, absurdly opposed to their parent dating or they're way, way too into it.

hannah montana touches grass: the movie

The idea of billy ray threatening to retire hannah is kind of funny because from what I heard he pretty much relied on miley to be the money maker. That man would have milked the brand for all it was worth if he could.

I think Miley is so upset in the staircase when her dad breaks up with that girl because as much as Billy wants to be with her, he can’t because he spends all of his time helping Miley/Hannah with her career & Miley feels guilty about this

@Erin-000

Жыл бұрын

I remember this being accurate as well.

@tianbreznik1255

Жыл бұрын

yeah exactly!! how is this not normal for a kid to feel???

@aurorabuciochavez7782

Жыл бұрын

Also her mom died and she knows how much of a whole that left in her life. I think maybe Big Joel missed that plot point because he didn’t watch the show.

@Alex_Barbosa

Жыл бұрын

​@Aurora Bucio Chávez he missed alot of plot points in the movie too lol

I think it fits in a wider culture-war theme of rurality as authenticity

@uberculex

Жыл бұрын

Bingo. It almost seems to have been written by good ol Billy Bob himself.

joel you forgot to mention the best part of this movie... taylor swift singing "crazier"

@demitwice

Жыл бұрын

i'm not lying when i say this is one of my favorite songs of all time!

Wow, this guy really is just a bigger version of Little Joel.

Hannah Montana really had me convinced of the transformative power of a different hair color

@Misora7303

Ай бұрын

You really turn into another person

The thing is though Hannah Montana IS Miley’s authentic self, Miley going to the country pretending to be some poor farm hand isn’t being herself. The wealth and fame is intrinsically part of her character a part of her lived experience. Miley has a closet a size of most peoples living room, she’s traveled the world doing shows. When people say things like “wow fame really changed you” it’s often meant as an insult but is still statement of fact that fame like any lived experience changes people. Say what you will about these changes being potentially bad, to go back to one’s home town and pretend those changes didn’t happen or are some false in nature is definitionally in-authentic

As somebody who grew up in the deep south, Joel's surprise and confusion at "They're trying to control what this 17 year old can do" is hilarious to me. I'm not saying I agree with it, but like... that was the mentality most people out here had when I was growing up. Is it really that surprising?

@puffena9013

Жыл бұрын

I think the confusion is more with its nature as a Disney movie. Like yes, realistically to the Deep South this isn’t uncommon, but Disney doesn’t need or likely even want to create completely accurate portrayals of the Deep South

@lowpolyzoe

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, not American albeit raised American-flavour Christian, but even into young adulthood there was the expectation that parents had the right to control their children and what they did and where they went

@jemolk8945

Жыл бұрын

@@lowpolyzoe ...Evil. That is pure evil. Just such a vile worldview.

@ghoullian5094

Жыл бұрын

@@puffena9013I think it’s more that disney as a company likes to emphasize “good, all american, traditional values.” i mean, disney channel shows are famous for layering up their actresses with clothes to avoid “skimpy” dress. the company sends a message thru the movie about what appropriate behavior is, important considering it’s media aimed at children and supposedly rebellious teens

@neonfatum

Жыл бұрын

@@ghoullian5094 That makes Disney dressing their child actresses in a cute, unique, stylish and (it feels weird to even say that) "modest" way sound a little sinister and ulterior. I don't think them doing that represents conservative values. I would say they're trying to represent wholesomeness more than anything when it comes to their media aimed at children and teens.

So I've seen neither the movie nor the show, but it seems astonishing how this movie highlights country music's ambivalent relationships with showbiz glitz and rustic lo-fi. Country music wants to attract and hold a huge, if possible young audience, but it also wants to make clear that it's distinctly southern and distinctly rural. What I find possibly most fascinating is that a movie like this has to pretend that nothing of the male figures' disgust of Hannah Montana has to do with politics, race, religion or gender. Perhaps an even larger Joel can explore that someday.

7:57 joel I cant belive you didnt mention character actress margo martindale, who clearly is the main character of this film

@billygoatguy3960

Жыл бұрын

i only know about this woman through bojack horseman but i would die for her.

@hfsk123

5 ай бұрын

I knew it! I sat through the entire video like "THE character actress Margo Martindale?"

big joel didnt understand the plot twist: travis believes she is hannah pretending to be miley. it broke his heart that he doesn't believe anymore they're cousins.

@BigJoel

Жыл бұрын

is that really the twist? I feel like he mostly just does not know what's going on, and refuses to like, ask about it lol. honestly, my reaction to your interpretation is the same as what I say in my video, why doesn't he chill out and talk for a moment about what's going on rather than freak out about the disguised hannah montana situation. like why is he devastated, at this time

@bookshelfhoney

Жыл бұрын

Wait is Travis the blonde boy? They're cousins? I thought he was the love interest.... Uhhh

@cooperschauer4785

Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@Mngalahad

Жыл бұрын

@@BigJoel it was a joke; excuse me; may have gotten jebaited.

@DislikesAlgorithms

Жыл бұрын

@@Mngalahad Fact is that disney is so unhinged it could be an actual plot lmao

Honestly I loved the character development of Miley “letting” her dad move on and date. It actually makes a lot of sense after watching the show and as an adult now I really see the significance❤

"Hannah, you can only change if other people approve, and when your change is in accordance to our christian purity culture." Wild.

im an adult man now but when i was a teenage girl (transgenderism) i rooted for my divorced parents' new relationships, helped my mom choose clothes for dates, help my stepmom to convince my dad when hes being an asshole, etc, so i think miley's interest is normal

@mightymeatymech

Жыл бұрын

doing your best to make sure they didn't get back together LMFAOOO you're a strong man (or you *were* a strong teen girl, whichever you prefer)

I vaguely remember watching this movie as a kid! I actually thought there was only a movie and didn't realise Hannah Montana was a TV series since I didn't have the Disney channel on my TV (I live in the UK)

So one thing you may have kinda missed by looking at the text and not the surrounding meta-text: This movie was supposed to be the end of Hannah Montana. It was supposed to end the entire show. And then Disney decided they needed another season so the movie couldn't end it. The part at the end where Miley is cajoled by a crowd into becoming Hannah again was tacked on so that they could continue making the show while keeping the movie canon.

10:51 the mighty Joel bares his teeth at his frightened audience

Big Joel's commentaries are well thought out. You can tell there's been a lot of genuine work and effort that went into all of this.

@badger6882

Жыл бұрын

yes

@SECONDQUEST

Жыл бұрын

Except he doesn't understand why someone would be upset that someone lied to them.

@ayaanmohammad6645

Жыл бұрын

"...if I was taken to a farm and told I couldn't be Big Joel anymore, I'd kill myself." - Sized Joel, 2023

@L_Train

Жыл бұрын

Not this one. It's a cheap half hearted mail in effort. He watched a Disney movie and talked about it for 10 minutes. Nothing profound, nothing even interesting. Thumbs down.

@Ethan-tn4jc

Жыл бұрын

@@L_Train I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this video to be a bit subpar

It really does feel like they were just sorta winging the thematic through line of the movie the entire time, and then suddenly at the last minute panicked and got the director’s daughter or something to go “nooooo Hannah goooodd” in order to reach a somewhat pro-Hannah ending.

@ActuallyAnanya

Жыл бұрын

They were originally going to have this be the last installment in the franchise and Miley was going to reveal her secret - but then the show got renewed for one more season after the movie. So there was a hasty rewrite. At the end of that season she does end up actually revealing her secret to the world, as her dual life was negatively impacting those around her.

it's funny that at the end, her singing a song as herself and the town jamming out and miley learns how to live her life in a more integrated way is totally off the table. the little kid is like "no! we like the fake popstar better!" and miley's entire hometown agrees

Thank you for feeding me Mr Big. I hope Mr DUMPY DUMP DUMP is doing well ❤️

this man does great analyses of Death Note, Hannah Montana, the Political sphere

@normanclatcher

Жыл бұрын

One of these things is not like the others...

@yersiniapestis5237

Жыл бұрын

​@@normanclatcher Indeed, Death Note is very clearly much less serious than the other two things

@yersiniapestis5237

Жыл бұрын

​@@normanclatcher And more goofy :)

I went to go see this movie in theaters when I was 12 and to this day the main thing I remember feeling about it is pure confusion and frankly I did not like it very much. The way everybody treated her like a villain for no reason was unbelievably irritating and at times genuinely upsetting. As a neurodivergent person it almost felt like somebody made a movie about my life, in a sense, where I was the villain, and everybody else who constantly misunderstood my intentions were the heroes. 💀

Hmm. A father turning this "lost sheep" of a daughter from a worldly pop star back into a good ol' country girl. I don't know if the writers intended for that that Christian born-again subtext, but wouldn't be surprised if so.

@plateoshrimp9685

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Definitely has the feeling of bringing a wayward youth back into the flock.

@normanclatcher

Жыл бұрын

‌ What gave it away? ...It's "The Climb," isn't it?

@TheFiresloth

11 ай бұрын

With Travis the unsufferable conservative weirdo. Seriously, they went way too far with Travis.

I think this is one of my favourite large joe videos of all time, it's genuinely made me want to rewatch the Hannah Montana movie with this framing, not to be serious on a silly goofy video but this is one of the most worthwhile 10 mins I've spent today

Wait a minute...with that plane redirection stunt, does that mean Billy committed a kidnapping on his own daughter?

@jonasquinn7977

Жыл бұрын

Considering she’s still a minor and he’s her sole guardian, no. In context it’s no more kidnapping than a parent telling their kid they’re going to get ice cream to get them in the car so they can take them to the dentist

@youtubeuniversity3638

Жыл бұрын

​@@jonasquinn7977 ...I'd say ya might wanna consider the scale of this. This is a fully different state than promised, for an extended period, and with implicit threat of punishment.

@LimeyLassen

Жыл бұрын

amber alert moment

@echowoods7977

Жыл бұрын

@@youtubeuniversity3638 it's not right but in the eyes of the law he can do that

@jonasquinn7977

Жыл бұрын

@@youtubeuniversity3638 the scale doesn’t really matter, so long as your child is still a minor and you aren’t denying their other parent access to them it’s literally impossible for someone to kidnap their own child

“If I was taken to a farm and told I couldn’t be Big Joel anymore, I’d kill my self” is maybe the best line in any Big Joel script.

5:36 "This guy's weird face disturbs me and I hate him." That's the most @BigJoel quote I could possibly imagine haha

I love the shocked reactions of the audience when she takes off the wig and reveals she’s a brunette.

always thought her dad was such a hypocrite in this movie. i mean, he helped his daughter create a persona, moved her out to the city, and prompted her wildly successful career in music... then he was SURPRISED when she's not a horse riding farm girl??? of course she isn't, BILLY. YOU RAISED HER TO BE A CITY GIRL.

she wants her dad to have a girlfriend not only so he can have his own life outside of being Hannah Montana's manager but also so he can leave her alone already

Travis Brody? What in the Yee haw, apple pie is that name? 😵‍💫

hey big joel! while I like the very long videos and they always light up my week, it resembles a lot commentary, I love these new short scripted video essays, where you try to articulate a complex point, so you dedicate all your words to that, and the jokes are more of funny reliefs. I get immense satisfaction from consuming a well articulated complete idea about something, and it's something i really like about you, but the commentary style sometimes takes me out of it. either way, i love both, and I will support any direction you go in as you remain one of the most interesting media analysis creators on this platform

Please don't kill yourself Big Joel. You can come live on my farm and I'll get some little pigges you can run around with, perhaps in a frolicking manner if you feel up to it.

My dad told me little joel went to a farm and now he's happy, running around and having fun

omg. this is such a throwback. This was among the like 5 movies i had on dvd as a kid and watched over and over again bc i didnt have another choice

The love interest in this movie is the most bizarre combination of toxic creep and complete nonsense. I think he might have made a bit more sense if the story was about forty-somethings, but he wouldn’t be any more likeable.

you know what really bothered me about this one as a kid? how everyone in her family was so uppity about the hannah thing as if it wasn't clear she was the one who was putting the bread on the table :/

@mightymeatymech

Жыл бұрын

well to be fair, if they're a farm family and they own that much land, they've got money. they just don't use it the same (my farmer landlord looks like a hobo and is more wealthy than i'll ever be lmfao)

@5:43 okay but that revolving door scene is a dope piece of cinematography

Lol this was the first movie I ever saw in theaters, it was at a dollar theater and we snuck in little Debbie’s snacks in my sister and cousin’s purses

There is definitely truth in sending your kids mixed signals about who they're allowed to be turning into an identity crisis, but the story flowed more like the writer was praising this process lol

imagining big joel being taken to a farm and being told he cant be big joel anymore bc hes being consumed by the big joel persona is giving me life

"This guys weird face disturbs me and I hate him". This statement is one of the many reasons why I love me some Big Joel

i did not know until this video that miley/hannah was a clark/superman type deal in universe

I saw this movie in theaters and it is to this day the most packed I have ever seen my local theater. It was lined up to the door of the mall it was in.

I watched this movie in theaters as a kid because my sister loved Hannah Montana. It feels like I repressed the entire experience because I didn't remember a single thing that happened in it

Love it! It reminds me of your nebula videos, which is some of my favorite content of yours honestly. Medium Joel forever

So I never noticed this before, but Hannah's dad... is he country music legend/star Chris Gaines? That soul patch and Goo Goo Dolls-esque straightened hair are unmistakable...

I grew up with the show but never saw the movie until recently and I agree completely. I felt so lied to after being promised a popstar fantasy lol

My mom “made me” go with her & my sister to see it in theaters as a kid for the latter’s birthday; I pretended to be annoyed and uncomfortable while of course secretly being entertained by it.

@NotoriousLightning

Жыл бұрын

That was not very nice, pretending in front of your sister like that. Siblings often look up to each other, and seek aproval and what not, and stuff like this is the kind of stuff that makes for more distant familial relationships. I think you should tell your sister that you enjoyed it. Just my two cents.

hi, i know every word in this movie and i am so glad it is getting the recognition it deserves by an amazing youtuber let’s goooo

When I was a junior in high school, my drum majors thought it was a good idea to do the Hoedown Throwdown as their salute at a competition.

But would this movie have been improved by being filmed in a single shot style like Birdman?

Joel needs Big Joel more than we need Big Joel

It's so rare to see Joel break on camera. When he laughed at his own joke, I died laughing.

Miley probably just wanted to make sure she could trust her new boyfriend before she told him her biggest secret the second she met him.

i LOVED this movie as a child maybe more than i loved my parents. they took me to see it in a big theater and i remember being so fucking excited, like i was skipping down the hallway. it came out 11 days after my 10th birthday, i dont remember but i bet it was something like a delayed birthday present. i loved hannah montana sooooo fucking much i had the blonde wig and everything. my dad is similarly shitty to miley's dad in the movie so i probably felt seen by her struggle to live within the parameters of her pos dad. and the ultimate contradiction at the end of the movie...where the crowd flips the fathers message for miley.... probably so cathartic to my young mind. kinda reminds me of that interpretation of myths like beauty and the beast + hades/persephone, that in their contemporary times they described something like the reality of marriage to girls, ie you might feel like youve been kidnapped or he might be literally a beast, and also helps them cope with that. like, the monster can become nice if you love him right. i guess in the case of hannah montana it would be that if you just appease your father youll be rewarded with a more comfortable amount of freedom or youll have your desired freedom given and affirmed by another force outside yourself.

Big Joel, YOU are an unhinged masterpiece 💯🙏

Remember that show undercover boss? Looking back it feels kinda weird, not even the horrible bosses but the entire concept of the show. Also great video about Hannah Montana!

Got to love the one dude in the crowd scene who is clearly thinking, "Well, how did I get here?"

Idk I’m pretty sure the entire movie only exists because Miley Cyrus wanted to focus on her music career and Disney wanted a plausible reason why “Hannah Montana” stopped releasing albums. Not like she kept her Disney-friendly façade for long, though. (Also, I still can’t get over how “brutally” Olivia Rodrigo dissed Disney before quitting HSMTMTS lol, what a queen.)

I can relate. If I was kidnapped and put on a farm and told I couldn't be Big Joel, I would also kill myself

South Park touched on this with their high school musical parody. "You gotta do what you wanta do. As long as its what everybody wants you too."

if big joel was ever kidnapped, i would place my life savings that little joel was the kidnapper

The weirdest disconnect from the show, is that when this movie came out, Miley had a boyfriend, a boyfriend who definitely is not that guy in the movie. A boyfriend, that she eventually broke up with for... cheating on her.

I think you could have had a more interesting conflict where Miley's father realizes they can't really keep up this double life thing forever and gives Hannah an ultimatum that she either has to reveal her real identity publicly or he won't support her as a manager anymore, and maybe Miley herself is questioning if she actually enjoys the limelight anymore so is considering just retiring, but is weighing that against her love of performing.

I am trying to ride the bus in a public place and enjoy the medium joel discourse, but I'm caught off guard by how fucking funny this is and i can't help but self-consciously giggle to myself

this is the perfect video length for a perfect video topic. A+ big joel video