I prefer having separate recordings rather than copies.

@viralmachiavelli

11 ай бұрын

You can also copy the stem, pitch it out a semitone and shift the timing on it just a tad

@steveo6408

11 ай бұрын

@@viralmachiavelliwouldn’t it be off key ?

@emanuelmalinowsky8710

11 ай бұрын

​@@steveo6408yes

@AQUANAUT18

11 ай бұрын

@@steveo6408think he meant to say cents rather than semitones

@Hazet01

11 ай бұрын

Still worse than having multiple recordings

Two ways to do this without the plug-in is using Mid Side Eq and lowering the mix signal of the Mid input and second way is using the Haas effect.

@machosouldeep

Ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥🔥

Another great tip, all of us have had this plug-in for 20 plus years, did not know about muting the middle channel 😂 💪🏾

@jinxftremusic

2 ай бұрын

you can use msed for this tho

Useful . Thanks for sharing

It sounds better when you double record all tracks and simply pan the background vocal tracks a bit and give 'em a different EQ to fit perfectly 'behind' the main vocal(s).

@knulldestroyed3081

6 ай бұрын

Yep, I call it “the Michael Jackson method” he was truly the king of stacking vocals 😂

@bovisqui

6 ай бұрын

what kind of eq would you recommend?

Idk why but I just can’t stand the way doublers sound, I’d rather just do 2 seperate takes and pan them. Using a doubler gives it this like weird resonance/effect that I can’t stand.

@hilairebeatz

6 ай бұрын

Same, I hate doublers lol

🤣🤣 every day I learn something new

Great tip. You can do this with Tritik TK Delay as well.

This is the quick and easy way. I like to do about 4 - 6 takes and pan them. Send all those takes to a “Harm Buss” then aux into the doubler. Mix to taste.

@DexTroyTV

2 ай бұрын

then you mute the central channel?

thank you for the magic touch

I love you for this video man!

For those who are wondering, you CAN recreate this with stock plugins. Just be smart and deconstruct what mixwithjerry is effectively doing here. 👍

@JordanSR

11 ай бұрын

Can you explain how lol I’m slow

@AQUANAUT18

11 ай бұрын

@@JordanSRyou can actually recreate it without plugins. You just have to duplicate the audio track, pan each one to the right and left to your desired stereo width, then set the track delay on one of them to 15-20 ms. Boom, instant stereo space

I love your shirt man! Those were the good ol days…

Yeah I always use it sound clean

Your tips are actually good unlike a lot of the ones I see on here

Gotta try this...🔥🔥

i explore myself 6 years ago. now to see this on youtube was good

It 's very usefull

I use this on all my mix but on lead vocal instead to make it fuller and little bit wide i put it on send and adjust it

@key8sixty

Жыл бұрын

I like this, you can do this with both too

@ant-sj5lx

7 ай бұрын

thank you so much this really helped!!

@Kingblaqg

7 ай бұрын

@@key8sixty yes absolutely

@Kingblaqg

7 ай бұрын

@@ant-sj5lx Yeah I'm glad it helps Happy mixing 🤟🤩

Fruity stereo shaper 👀

Good plugins double vocal 💖🇲🇦🔥

This can also be done in FL Studio with the Stereo Enhancer plugin, which creates a 20-40ms delay between the left and right channel

youre a god for this tip

This is good advice

Thanks for sharing

You the goat ❤

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Thank you ❤

Good

Sweet song tho ❤❤❤

Another cool trick is using reel adt and the 2 guitars preset

Or you could record a second backing vocal recording. Or you could take the backing vocal and split the signal, send it to 2 channels and use an EQ to alter the waveforms of both.

Yay!

Hard

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i love it but pleas make vidieo haw to creat or sing this backround vocals

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should i also use more reverb on my background vocal and more deessing or just this doubler trick ?

any alternative plugins? i don't have that one. oh 5 months ago rip

I just use a wider plugin

@sindacutbeats

2 ай бұрын

the high end sounds hard

😮😮💪🏾

❤❤😮

Should show the final result

So two different buses as well? I usually put my background vocal for rap on same bus I just put my fx directly on the background...

I find this plugin causes a lot of phase issues

@JOHANJVATO

11 ай бұрын

You might be overdoing it

@PainfuelProductions

8 ай бұрын

thats only if you copy the lead vocal instead of recording a new layer, which is ideal

@maxgothamofficial

8 ай бұрын

@@PainfuelProductions very good point, for example recording a harmony to the lead then phase issues would be at a minimum if any at all

@PainfuelProductions

8 ай бұрын

@@maxgothamofficial that's the pro way bro! And I just checked out your beats, reminds me of a producer named Charlie Shuffler, who is one of my influences. Keep grinding, sounds great!

@maxgothamofficial

8 ай бұрын

@@PainfuelProductions thank you for that, a nice compliment to get! no choice but to continue grinding haha you too brother :)

If you ONLY have one yes, but better to record different takes and pan them manually

But is this just a work around when you only have two tracks? Is there a benefit from doing this over tracking a left and right vocal?

Teacher

sauce

Is this stockin?

*this is how you make your harmony sound separated from the main vocal

Or just expand it ❤

@mixwithjerry

5 ай бұрын

Expansion affects dynamic range which is a completely separate effect then what’s going on in this Short

But just do it if you got only one track of backing voc. Cos more backing voc recording always sounds better.

Damn, why didn't I ever think of that? 😅

@fxcksthiswrld

Жыл бұрын

Factsssss

@jakescott5857

Жыл бұрын

Ft

Naw. That’ll give your BV weird phase issues. Just record it twice. Pan one left, one right.

How do you know what my background vocals sounds like

@future_Victoryofficial

11 ай бұрын

You don't need this plugin if you have many background vocals. specialty if you want panning vocals don't use it but if you have only one background vocal you can use it.tkx

You didn’t mention detuning each slightly

@mixwithjerry

Ай бұрын

The plugin already does that

Is that plug-in stock or you gotta pay for it

@prod.bydepra7795

11 ай бұрын

It's by Waves. It costs.

is the plugin free?

@yoxoy7140

10 ай бұрын

30E

@Tintin___

10 ай бұрын

@@yoxoy7140 what's that?

Is that vocal doubler plugin free.

@3FAWTY

Жыл бұрын

No it’s a waves plugin

@mason4163

11 ай бұрын

It’s free if you’re smart enough

@Kidd_SS313

11 ай бұрын

@@mason4163 👀spill the beans

@bloomingbeats1318

11 ай бұрын

@@mason4163ripping plug ins is for noobs who can’t mix.

@sameerahmed5363

11 ай бұрын

Getintopc bro 🥸

Ha, sure if you don't just pan them appropriately in the first place. 🤣

Or just pan the bv’s left and right

Just use fruity flangus for that

the trick is to buy this plugin 😂

Duplicate the track and pan them left and right. Takes About 3 clicks. Doublers are a pain

why not have a couple extra takes and pan L and R ?

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

Well, a lot of times the mixer isn’t the artist or the person who recorded it so you have to work with what you’re given.

@future_Victoryofficial

11 ай бұрын

😮 You are not a recording engineer? 😅

@mixwithjerry

10 ай бұрын

A lot of times people record the song at a studio or their home studio and send it to someone to mix. @@future_Victoryofficial

That jeff gordon T goes hard

What DAW is that?

@future_Victoryofficial

11 ай бұрын

FL Studio

@buddytmathebula7678

10 ай бұрын

Fruity loop dud

This has nothing to do with "sitting perfectly" with a lead vocal. You're just making a false double and making it appear to be stereo and out of the way of the vocal. Sitting better would be adding compression so it doesn't have a large dynamic range that competes with the vocal and EQ moves that tuck it back nicely so it doesn't compete as well but supports the lead vox.

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

It sounds good to my ears and I never said this is simply "how to mix a background vocal" as that would involve EQ, compression, and de-essing - which were all done prior. This Short is ultimately about spacing out the background vocal from the middle if there is only one take. If you want to get caught up in the verbiage like "sit perfectly", then you're just nit-picking someone who is trying to make content. There's a reason this plugin exist.

Why would you use a plugin when you can just do this directly with tracks and have more flexibility. And why even double instead of doing another take so it sounds even richer...

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

Yeah if the artist sends you multiple takes that’s perfect. Not always the case though.

That vocal is sus

@mixwithjerry

10 ай бұрын

Alright, I’d love to hear you sing then. You’re just hating for no reason to stroke your ego.

Don’t be lazy just record your vocals a few times then pan them. Copying them with that doubler makes your music sounds too robotic.

@mixwithjerry

2 ай бұрын

Mix engineers aren’t always the recording engineers.

Copy and pan works too….

@mixwithjerry

2 ай бұрын

No that doesn’t work. That would just double up the volume of the exact same waveform. This plugin applies delay and detuning so the waveforms are different from each other.

@blkgostnone4092

2 ай бұрын

@@mixwithjerry forgot to say micro shift it Old stereo widening trick Which is basically what this is doing And you just saved yourself 30 bucks and no licensing center 😐

@blkgostnone4092

2 ай бұрын

So yeah it works

Just do different takes, 1 lead, atleast 2 in harmony

And in mono ? This wont solve the problem

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

So any stereo processing is rendered useless according to you… got it!

Whyyyyy wouldn’t you just hard pan left and right

@mixwithjerry

8 ай бұрын

With only one vocal? This takes 1 vocal take and applies delay and detuning to create 2 separate takes to pan left and right.

@sethmonroe9603

8 ай бұрын

@@mixwithjerry you right, you had two files there I thought you had two doubles, yeah in that case, this works great

Couldn’t you just record multiple takes and then pan them lol?

@mixwithjerry

2 ай бұрын

Mix engineers aren’t always the artist or the recording engineer

Panning

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

Notice I said background vocal and not background vocal(s). Not every session is going to come with multiple takes.

I actually don't agree with this advice. You should always mix in mono first and have your mix sound great in mono so this would literally do nothing except maybe add a slight delay. Before you do this (it's a good idea AFTER the mix is good) you should think about EQ. Your background vocals don't need to have a lot of low end, instead they should be more focused on the harmonic frequencies above 1K where they can add texture to the lead vocal without competing with it. Lightly cut the lower frequencies and use a slight delay (

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

Well in the video I said to widen the vocal “at the end of whatever your background vocal chain is”. Sounds like what you’re wanting to explain is the actual background vocal chain, which is completely dependent on the song. I don’t agree with you saying “you should always mix in mono first” either. You have the entire stereo field and you should use it.

@stevenleonmusic

11 ай бұрын

​@@mixwithjerry Your video literally starts out with this exact sentence: "Here's how to MIX your background vocal to sit perfectly with the lead vocal". It should have already sat perfectly in the mix because of your EQ/gain choices, widening should just be an enhancement. And yes of course you want to use the whole stereo field but getting the levels and EQ right in mono first is fundamental advice that pretty much any professional person or website will tell you right at the start of your audio engineering journey. I'm not a professional by any means but as a hobbyist I read a lot about it and watch a lot of these channels and I have never before encountered anyone with more knowledge than me who didn't suggest focusing on mono first and then using stereo imaging to enhance later-you would be the first.

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

@@stevenleonmusic Again, I literally said to do this at the end of your background vocal chain. Not sure why you equate that to me saying you don’t need to use EQ or anything else beforehand. This is just a technique, amongst many, to help the backgrounds sit well with the lead vocal. I think you’re really overthinking this. It’s a KZread Short. You think the entire book of mixing should be explained in under 60 seconds? I’m not covering how to mix background vocals in this video. I’m covering a technique that will help mix them to sit well with the lead vocal. Don’t get so caught up in the hook of the video. That’s how you get people to watch. The whole concept of the video was to show how to widen the vocal, which I did. I never said this is how you mix background vocals from start to finish like it seems you’re really hung up on. Judging from the likes and saves across here and TikTok, I’d say others found it helpful and gained value from it.

@stevenleonmusic

11 ай бұрын

@@mixwithjerry Liking something and gaining value from it are two different things. I wouldn't have commented on your video if I didn't watch and like your channel. I can just spot potential confusion a mile away.

@sulthanzacky1975

11 ай бұрын

Well, the advice on the video is actually really nice. In other hand, the mix in mono thing is actually a bad advice. You dont need to blend right and left together. You only need to blend left instrument with other left instrument, vice versa. You’ll actually lose a lot of detail and energy in the sound if you force it to sound good in mono. (Just in case you wonder. I’ve worked in one of the largest tv group in my country as a music director so i can safely say that what i said is valid.)

This isn’t a great technique. Just record the background part twice and pan it respectively.

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

This isn’t a recording tutorial. A lot of times people mixing the song only get one background take from the artist.

@_ConnorEdwardsMusic

11 ай бұрын

@@mixwithjerry that should never happen.

@mixwithjerry

11 ай бұрын

@@_ConnorEdwardsMusic I mean recording in poorly treated rooms with loud air conditioners shouldn’t happen either, but it does… all the time. Can’t control what you’re sent.

@boycottloveband

11 ай бұрын

@@_ConnorEdwardsMusic Alot of the time we get sent recordings and have to work with what we have, if an artist goes to my studio and im with them in a session, thats completely different