Great video. Honestly the part about learning how to code using youtube or free courses is a great advice, until you feel ready to make it a career you can start spending thousands of dollars, but If I'm spending 20k I'd rather pick Flatiron, which has a great reputation. keep up with the good work.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and totally agree on going the free route first. That's sort of what I did, except when I was learning the free route wasn't really a thing. So I bought an old book on PHP & MySQL from Amazon for $20 and learned that way. Once I realized I enjoyed it, I ended up enrolling in a 4 year university because that was the way to do it then (still is a good option today, but I'm happy that bootcamps are making it more accessible).

@yawamankwah9495

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be doing same this vacation bcos here in Africa bootcamps aren't available and besides am offering engineering in the university so I can't go in for a computer science degree for 4 years 🥵 . Congrats man 👍

@Dgmstudios40

Жыл бұрын

Paying 20K for something you can learn for free is ridiculous!!!

@eshw23

Жыл бұрын

@@Dgmstudios40 Try being self taught with no degree and then you will see how hard it is. 20k is nothing if you get into a very lucrative career.

@Dgmstudios40

Жыл бұрын

@@eshw23 Oh I know. I live it. It's really not that hard at all.

I graduate from a bootcamp, had several interviews and landed a job. They are great for somebody who is computer savvy. It's a lot of work and dedication, but what you learn can set you up for success. Just make sure you sign up for the right one, and remember you have to continue learning after the bootcamp don't let your coding skills get rusty.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, finding the right one and realizing working in tech is an ongoing journey of learning are both keys to success.

@falconcode1041

2 жыл бұрын

Which one did you sign up for?

@fctech5338

Жыл бұрын

Which boot camp did you join

This is very true, in regards to Career Fairs. I got my current SWE job in that sense. Also, Phenomenal content!

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🥳

As a current bootcamp instructor, I can definitely say the web is filled with bad bootcamps. But there are definitely good ones out there and ones that have helped people change their career. Great advice and good video!

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@luchoperuano6617

2 жыл бұрын

Which ones are good that you highly recommend ?

Great and very detailed analysis of the troubling aspects of some bootcamps and their marketing tactics 🔥

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you that means a lot 😭

Great video Cody!

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave!

Good video. Teaching people to make tic-tac-toe and simple clones in React must be quite the cash cow. As far as I know data structures & algorithms, a programming language companies use and a couple projects to show you can build things are key. There are options on how to get there, but it all takes hard work.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

It really is quite the cash cow. There are some worthwhile courses out there, same goes for bootcamps. With that said though, there are also a lot of sketchy ones.

Great content! I've mentored people graduating from coding bootcamps and as they embark on trying to get a software eng job, unfortunately the majority of them is vastly unprepared. First, they most often don't learn the skills needed to get through interviews (data structures, algo, etc.) since most bootcamp curriculum don't spend time on this. Second, they underestimate the commitment it needs to transition careers (partly due to marketing) as most think that a 3-6 months worth of projects is enough to get them in a company.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on. It's unfortunate that bootcamps mislead their students but unfortunately it's also on them to do their own research. I really hope this video helps them out in the decision making process 🙏

Great video!

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks James!

this video saves me from applying to coding bootcamp. Thank you sir.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

You are welcome

COBOL knowledge would actually make you highly-specialized in banking and, in some places, government. A really useless language would be something like Visual Basic 😁. As for marketable language/framework combinations for backend, I'd say that Django would make you more industry-ready in the Python ecosystem than Flask.

Really good breakdown Cody! I hope as many people as possible watch it before choosing what to spend their money on do they can make an informed decision 😅 also fun fact in Poland (and many other European countries) bachelor's in CS is free and lasts 3 years 😀

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Only 3 years for a CS degree AND it's free? I should have moved to Poland for college 😭

@KaroCodes

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodyEngelCodes haha yeah pretty neat you graduate with no debt and heaps of internship money you did in a richer country one hour flight away 😂

@trollsbozo1272

Жыл бұрын

@@KaroCodes did you do the Poland route ?

@KaroCodes

Жыл бұрын

@@trollsbozo1272 yup! University of Warsaw 😊 did both bachelor's and master's for free 🤑 you only need to pay for repeating a course if you failed it

@trollsbozo1272

Жыл бұрын

@@KaroCodes WOW amazing !!! Are you a poland resident ? Asking bc I’m from the states and wanted to see how housing would work over there.

keep doing videos man.... ur utube channel reach will come soon

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton. I have 3 more videos in the queue to edit and upload that I can't wait to release ☺️

If you're really set on getting a CS degree, I've seen that Western Governors University charges a set tuition per TERM vs per Credit at around $3600 - they say 70% of people finish in 23 months as you can test out of courses. So, that's still less than some of those Bootcamps. Personally, I like learning and would love to do a CS degree one day, but right now I want to focus on gaining practical skills and on learning my first programming language. Honestly, KZread university is great for that, you just have really focus or use a good old-fashioned book as a guide.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

KZread University is my favorite university.

i just finished a bootcamp and i agree with everything you said. definitely the easiest way to get a job is with a cs degree. in my class there are 2 people who have cs masters and they are getting interviews left and right whereas i have applied to probably 50 or 60 places and havent even gotten an email back. i was originally going to community college for a game development associates degree a few years ago but i dropped out because i couldn't stand all of the extra classes i had to take. in fact there were only 2 classes i took where we actually wrote code. in the game design class we learned java and the other class which i took as an elective that wasnt required for the degree taught us visual basic. so thats what i like about the bootcamp i went to at least. its coding and only coding. no english, math, history, etc... BUT as im learning its very difficult to land an interview so far, whereas my colleagues who went to college had/are having a much easier time in this process.

Very informative video

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

Great videos

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

What are your thoughts on Coding Dojo vs Flat Iron? I am thinking about Coding Dojo to start this August 15th. Thanks?

@kaylove4507

7 ай бұрын

Flat iron cost more

Thanks for this video. I thought about coding bootcamps but they are expensive!! No thanks.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. They can certainly be useful but they can be expensive for what they are, especially when you consider the self taught route is fairly similar.

I spent $29k on my CS degree, and I was slow about it. I took 4 years plus an extra winter semester to finish. Bootcamps are cheaper, sure, but we don't have to lie about how much CS degrees cost (I went to a private school in the midwest)

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, the cost of a college degrees varies from state to state and person to person.

Can you do a video on the average starting salary coming out of a boot camp?

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

I can talk about general salaries across all levels.

Hi Cody! Thank you for this informative video. I would really like your perspective on apprenticeship programs if that’s possible for you to make a video on. There’s a local tech company near me that offers classes for cheap and they also have their own apprenticeship program that I’m considering for software engineering since traditional schooling really isn’t for me. I like faster pace environments and some flexibility 😁

My question is. How can you Land a Tech Job if you dont have a certificate that proves you know coding after dedicating the time!? That’s what deters me from going the self taught route.

Sir how much is your current net worth? Nice video.

WGU offers a competency based CS Bachelors for 3k per term (can be completed in 1 term - 4 months) that allows transfer to Georgia Tech Masters afterwards. These bootcamps really overestimate themselves

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah a lot of them can be overpriced for what they are.

@Terszel

Жыл бұрын

@@jlee1184 This was written 1 year ago when I attended. Yes they had a track specifically for getting to Georgia Tech Online CS Masters. You had to meet certain requirements but it was guaranteed, it wasnt like you were reapplying to a different college. The same thing for when I went to a community college they had a fast track to get into Florida University, and guess what - I got in. As for the price, again this is for when *I* attended, which was 3k per term for me. I don't know why you'd think I'd lie about this as if I have something to gain

@Terszel

Жыл бұрын

@@jlee1184 Again dude, this is when I attended, I have no idea what they have changed. When I attended the terms for CS for 4 months

B4 considering bootcamps pls consider reddit reviews And never go to bootcamp as a ground zero biginner. because it wont let you get what u pay for ,you pay for knowledge but they have to rush the study to squeeze it for 2 months only .so paying that much for small amount of time is not gonna be worth it Remember this when i say bootcamp graduates who is some slow learners, sometimes regret going to bootcamps and still have to review lessons as a self taught and never get a job after bootcamp. You will learn starting as a self taught and use bootcaml as a supliment of what u have learned Few good thing bootcamps has Is 1 colaboration to remote insteuctor or remote people 2 peer to peer code session Or group coding session will give you the ability to work with others 3 communication But if yiur good with this already Tou dont need bootcamps

isnt it easier to land a job at a good company if you have a cs degree and on top of that a bootcamp degree?

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

No, if you have a CS degree then going to a bootcamp is almost always a waste of time.

what nwhy? JS is the best language it is the most commojn and most frequest java is common but JS is what u use in the job

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Not according to the pypl language popularity index.

Is syntaxtech legit?

@CodyEngelCodes

Жыл бұрын

I tend to avoid giving companies money if they don't know how to pronounce their name.

what about someone who did nothing like me no college no bootcamp how do i get a job? also i'm a foreigner in Uganda

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Can you code?

@Sanyu-Tumusiime

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodyEngelCodes yes. I can code, I built a website and did 2 to 3 projects but no one is calling me for an interview

Do you think coding temple Is worth it?

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

I have no opinions on coding temple.

Sir does university rankings matter in big tech jobs? Nice video.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

They matter if it's your first job out of college. I graduated with a 2.8 or 2.9 GPA and Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, and the rest usually reach out once every few months to interview with them. So they do matter, but only for a short time.

A lot of people say JavaScript and python are too good languages. What makes you think that Java is better than JavaScript?

@CodyEngelCodes

7 ай бұрын

I don't think one is better than the other they have their uses. JavaScript is great for frontend and I'd say it's not a great option for backend. Java is pretty rough if you want to build a front end but it works quite nicely for backend work. Python is python, I'm going to avoid touching that subject.

@kaylove4507

7 ай бұрын

@@CodyEngelCodes understood.

Coding Temple is a scam (I graduated from there)

@Skipdickman1

4 ай бұрын

I just talked to them today

Alright last video

This is the most severly undderated channel ever

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rajit ☺️

@rajitmittal1345

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodyEngelCodes just dont suddenly stop making videos one day , we are here with you :))

For a coding bootcamp to be worth their asking price they would have to teach at least an 10 credit course load consisting of -College Algebra, Calculus and Engineering Mathematics (2 credits) -Web Development( HTML/CSS/JAV) , Advanced Web Development ( MONGO-DB, REACT,DJANGO) , Mobile App /Enterprise Systems Web Development with Cloud essentially Full Stack Development - 2 credits -Python, (Advanced Python with ,Modules,Web,GUI, etc), Data Science/ML/AI, Discrete Structures - 2 credits -C++, Data Structures and Algorithms, Software Engineering - 2 credits Computer

The whole premise of this video is wrong. Software Engineering skills cannot be taught. Period. Neither CS degree, nor any bootcamp can produce any skilled-employable software engineering professionals. If a person is able to get a job solely on the basis of these two kind of credentials(coding bootcamp and/or CS degree), then, there are following cases to be considered: 1. He is just lucky. 2. The company he is working at is a low funded company. 3. He is living near some internationally known tech hubs of the world. I openly suggest to people who want to become an employable software engineering professional that, it would take a human about 3+ years of written+oral English speaking skills, followed by 7+ years of human usable software making practice, to become an employable tech professional for the tech industry. There are no short cuts. School and College degrees have become ineffective, and Bootcamps are a scam.

@frasierjoseph

2 жыл бұрын

Completely disagree with your comment. You do not need 7+ years of working in human usable software (whatever this means) nor do you need 3+ years of written oral english. I currently work as an instructor at a bootcamp and have worked at Flatiron school as well. A bootcamp is not going to just magically save your career and get you a job right when you finish. It is hard work but it gives you the skills to be employable (if you work hard and apply hard). My students have graduated and gone to work (right out of the bootcamp) at Cisco, Jpmorgan, Honeywell and a variety of other tech companies. All of the jobs they received were developer jobs. I've worked in Oil and Gas, the USDA, a big 4 accounting firm and a startup all with just having a bootcamp degree. I suggest you loosen your standards for what you think is needed in the current job field and realize the tech industry is probably one of the most beginner friendly places to start. Just a suggestion.

@CodyEngelCodes

2 жыл бұрын

What Joseph said.

@garysiu5498

Жыл бұрын

@@frasierjoseph hi Joseph, i really want to try , which bootcamp will u recommend? Thks alot😊

lmfao I love how hard they have to downplay college degrees. At almost any university you will have free access to career coaches who will help you with practical skills like resumes, cover letters and interviews.

For a coding bootcamp to be worth their asking price they would have to teach at least an 10 credit course load consisting of -College Algebra, Calculus and Engineering Mathematics (2 credits) -Web Development( HTML/CSS/JAV) , Advanced Web Development ( MONGO-DB, REACT,DJANGO) , Mobile App /Enterprise Systems Web Development with Cloud essentially Full Stack Development - 2 credits -Python, (Advanced Python with ,Modules,Web,GUI, etc), Data Science/ML/AI, Discrete Structures - 2 credits -C++, Data Structures and Algorithms, Software Engineering - 2 credits Electives - Networking, Database/Oracle, Business Information Systems, Cloud Computing, IOT/Embedded Systems, Digital Logic, Computer Architecture, Operating Systems, Video game Design, Computer Graphics, Security/Cryptography (2-4 credits worth) Their coursework is an insult to intelligence, their are essentially teaching you 2 credits at MOST worth of material and charging you two semesters worth with all the essential skills needed to build/modify apps or programs excluded. You literally learn the basics of CS and they hand you a worthless certificate , no wonder they are considered a scam SMDH!!!!!

@brians2328

Жыл бұрын

I know someone who did one, no degree or previous experience, he's now at 120k lol have fun with your little degrees lol

@lade5

Жыл бұрын

@@brians2328 Please pray tell name a company in these hard times that would be a bootcamp with their LIMITED skillset over a degree holder with a more diverse skillset. LMAO!!!!

@lade5

Жыл бұрын

@@brians2328 The fact you know someone and not many people who did boot camps , says it all.😄😄😄😄