The loudest laugh in my theater was after the kid fight when Jake asked how bad did the other kids looked compared to his boys.

@OpticLureProductions

Жыл бұрын

mine too

@Vazik05

Жыл бұрын

It was a tie between that and "who has the harpoon now?" in mine lol.

@filthyidol3206

Жыл бұрын

He’s just a blue army dad 😂

@kaiholeung903

Жыл бұрын

Tbh this is the only punchline in this movie. I mean can you find another joke in this movie is funny?

@Vazik05

Жыл бұрын

@@kaiholeung903 As a married man and a father, yes. All the interactions between the chief and his wife are hilarious. My wife and I couldn't stop laughing and pointing at each other during the: "You should stay here so you and the baby are safe" "I'm going to fight" followed by him saying absolutely nothing else about it to her lol. Pick your battles people, and remember, all out war is less scary than a fight with the missus.

21:11 the whale killing the captain and severing his arm was a callback to how the captain was responsible for the whale missing a fin.

@bigmol1633

Жыл бұрын

Also captain ahab was dismembered. I suspect this guy ain't dead

@DS-mi9ru

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmol1633 robot arm bad guy confirmed

@allenchang6185

Жыл бұрын

yup the second captains arm got severed I was all arm for an arm!

@TobyJones69

Жыл бұрын

Haha nice catch man, didn’t think of that

@noobstalker1

Жыл бұрын

@@DS-mi9ru he’s def still alive

I’m still not fully convinced that Jakes plan to abandon his position and take his family to the water tribe was a fully justified idea. You can clearly see that the forest tribe has evolved since the first movie, they’re all using RDA guns, explosives, and even military vehicles in the movie. I mean they completely eradicated an entire armored train without a sweat. They would easily put up a really tough fight against Quaritches little squad of avatars.

@killjoy117007

Жыл бұрын

The whole issue was that quaritch and his squad could sneak into their mountains and lair. That’s why they left

@jimmyannunziata6133

Жыл бұрын

All the tribes will combine for the 3rd movie

@gingeralebean5375

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyannunziata6133 I hope so! It’s obvious that Avatar 2 and 3 are gonna be one big connected story, given that they’re filmed at the same time and James Cameron said that he had to split the original story for Avatar 2 in half. I’m super excited :)

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

@@killjoy117007 yup, and bring hellfire upon on themselves from humans arriving in droves, but it seems it happens anyways. I heard this film was rewritten from originally being a space battle and Cameron wanting the films not to stray from Pandora

@saytax

Жыл бұрын

@@killjoy117007 We learn that the squad of Avatars are push overs. They only manage to kill one son after all of the battles where no Navi die and they get dropped near effortlessly. What was the point? Just so they could go up to the floating mountains where Jake is not at?

I like the part where the water people, and I mean every single damn one of em, disappeared from the film for 45 min. Then, somehow, after leaving Jake and clan for dead, they adopt them as water 💦 tribe and the movie ends.

@alfangel2003

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what happened to them?

@GrinderMagee

Жыл бұрын

@@alfangel2003 the movie just wasn’t loooong enough to flesh out the relationships of Jake, his four kids, Spider, his absent father, the sociopolitical enviro plot and the fish out of water immigrant stuff so they just didn’t do it but wanted the payoff at the end. Welcome to the way of the water…..even tho you still can’t swim worth a damn.

@workingZen

Жыл бұрын

I was sure to myself, that they were going to be the ones right at the end to help them out from drowning. I just wished they at least showed us them preparing water traps and using the environment of their natural habitat, to defend against the humans. At least in the first movie, the humans were almost out matched by the Na'vi in air to air.

@igleski187

Жыл бұрын

Honestly this movie isn’t really that good in my opinion. Lol. Story is bad doesn’t make sense with the spider kid, sully leaving, learning the water Navi way, the whole outcast whale, cloning of the bad guys and the bad guys just connecting with the flying animal with no idea or training, the one daughter who’s really connected to the eywa but almost died? People hunting the whales for money like in the first movie and now the earth is dying? So many random stories and nothing makes sense.

@GrinderMagee

Жыл бұрын

@@workingZen It would have made infinitely more sense than Sigourney Weaver charming the jellies to save only the women in her family.

The mother is about to murder Spider and they don't even address it afterwards lmao. The kids see him as a brother. Jake even embraces him like a son at the end. They just go on like nothing happened.

@MikMoen

8 ай бұрын

I took it as a bluff. She knew of the connection and used it against Quaritch.

Even my 11 year old brother seeing the Na'vi army disappear halfway through the battle was like "wtf???"

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

Well half of them left to warn the tu kuun before that. And some died in the initial clash, but mostly the sea dragon moved and payakan caused a bunch of havoc making the ships run and the warriors give chase, as sully finds Loak and the final approach begins. It happens in a matter of minutes

@khangvinh4656

Жыл бұрын

@@JoseMolina-jz9hh same, though I think it could be different based on the director cut since there will be one. Cameron cut out a lot for it to not drag out too long.

@johnniewaiker6203

Жыл бұрын

The deal was for jake sully to come alone right? So he did it for the safety for their kids. I only noticed it because everybody talking about it. But who am I? I'm just there trying to enjoy the fiction tory instead of searching for a flaw.

@gwzwart4968

Жыл бұрын

AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD DOES NØT SAY "W.T.*" GET YOUR MANNERS UP TO PAR...SONNY BOY...REPORT WILL BE SENT....

The older brother dying really was emotional, imagine loosing your oldest child, he had the same characteristics too Jake which too me was such a bummer he’s gone

@jacobrobinson787

Жыл бұрын

And he was the only named character, one of the focus characters that died. Nobody else though.

@morbincentral3607

Жыл бұрын

It’s would have been better if the younger brother died because the the younger brother was probably the best character in the film. Not that I want him to die, but it would make for a more emotional moment considering he was more developed.

@thomasaquinas1457

Жыл бұрын

I actually laughed in the theater when the oldest son died. The film ended and one person clapped in the theater once then nothing. This movie was trash.

@kbg12ila

Жыл бұрын

Really? That was the worst part of the movie for me. He literally had almost not dialogue the whole movie... I don't even think him and Neytiri had a conversation... It was just bad writing to choose him to die and make such a big deal out of it. If it had been Loak or Kiri that died the impact of the ending would have made sense. But choosing a character who literally had no screen time was such a boring choice. The only thing emotional about his death was Zoe Saldana's amazing acting. That's it.

@alex_reloaded144

Жыл бұрын

@@kbg12ilathat’s what I’m saying, there’s not enough character development for me to care for these characters when they just got introduced. If it was Jake Sully or his wife then that would’ve been different. I was a bit disappointed with the storyline but the movie looks crazy visually.

You'd think the humans would make their war equipment arrow and spear proof by now...

@ethanlay7605

Жыл бұрын

The whole human army wasn’t involved in this movie. It was basically a team of “fisherman”

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

Well to do that they need to do researches, for that some people must survive their attack

@Youraveragegamer_97

Жыл бұрын

​@Jacky138 Not really they would be easier to hit, wtf lmao, Heavier equipment would be stupid because the gravity is also heavier on pandora

@TheMattsem

Жыл бұрын

If that happened the blue Indians will lose

@TheBall12

Жыл бұрын

1. we dont realy have a idea how dense the material is. We are on a diffrent planet and for all we now the wood has the strength of titanium. 2. Size matters. I rememeber that scense of "papa dragon" beeing impaled by a "simple" arrow 5 to 10 times the size of a "normal" arrow. Combined with the strength needed to draw it etc. we are talking about a lot of power here. I dont think a "tank" would have it as easy as you think.

I'm calling it that Eywa divinely conceived a child within Sigourney Weaver's character which is why Kiri has such a connection to the planet and wildlife.

@AutoSia

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's what I was thinking the whole time watching the movie.

@abramrick3079

Жыл бұрын

I mean, everyone’s calling it 😂

@Soniti1324

Жыл бұрын

It’s not “calling it” when it is explicitly stated on screen, and visualized during the climax of the movie.

@hanburgundy4317

Жыл бұрын

... was that supposed to be a mystery? Lol Pretty obvious from her magical fairy powers to control plants and animals.

@ghostface320

Жыл бұрын

Got a Sherlock over here

when they arrived in water town and the chief said like "your skills will be useless here treeclimbers!"... and there were literally giant mangrove forests behind them which we conveniently never saw again

@rollind2456

Жыл бұрын

I was hating the green guys more than humans for a while therr

@cegesh1459

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was really a missed opportunity

@rubenmorales7733

Жыл бұрын

Besides "plot", my head canon was maybe because there's more food on the reef than the mangroves which is why they better evolved to the water.

@luckymark571

11 ай бұрын

Well there water avatars why would they go to the forest?

@S1nwar

11 ай бұрын

@@luckymark571 because our main protagonist is a forest avatar so they profit from forest beeing there??

I’m surprised you guys didn’t talk about Spider constantly saying “BRO”

@workingZen

Жыл бұрын

Im so glad someone else picked up on that xD was all the kids saying 'Bro' in the movie? I just remember it making me grind my teeth everytime I heard them talk like that

@k--music

Жыл бұрын

Not even just Spider ALL the kids, Na'vi went from aliens to 2005 american teenagers lmao

@AJ-sw8uf

Жыл бұрын

I swear

@rsmith8113

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man, and Jake son even drops a couple bro’s 🤣 Ridiculous lmao

@RichyRich2607

Жыл бұрын

@@k--music And they talked english. like people do in all sci-fi and fantasy movies. Are you kinda slow or something?

I'm surprised the space marines didn't just nuke the site from orbit

@israelsaadesnoozer377

Жыл бұрын

It's the the only way to be sure

@coktoe4487

Жыл бұрын

It's too bad they didn't.

@qandmargo

Жыл бұрын

They plan to move their people to Pandora since Earth is dying, no need to contaminate it with nukes before most of humanity even gets there.

@Youraveragegamer_97

Жыл бұрын

Well if worth thinking realistically it would be hard for anything to burn because Pandora a is carbon dioxide moon, not oxygen

@Troupe_Master

Жыл бұрын

I kinda wish space marines were real they would massacre our whole planet which includes all of you so that's a happy ending for sure

My one big gripe literally was all of the other blue people just disappearing (minus the one sea girl) in the final act. Weird how that happens. Overall, thought it was great. Visuals are superb and despite the plot holes, the story has a lot of emotion.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

nah it was just the kids keep kidnapped over and over and over again.

@kassaken6521

Жыл бұрын

Knowing all the cuts that happened from the last movie to keep it under 3 hours, I bet you that they had atleast another hour or 2 of filming cut cause this movie is almost 4 hours long...

@timfan2810

Жыл бұрын

The chief of the sea tribe was there in the final act to save his daughter and get revenge for the whales and then just crickets... they all just vanish and she wasn't even rescued yet and the boss wasn't killed yet. Jake and the kids just left her on the rock with the dead son. That was weird too. This whole movie unless your brain is on off or autopolit it's hard to watch.

@BSultimate

Жыл бұрын

@Faysal 10/10…..Jesus, what were you watching?

@BEVERLYPRINCESS90210

Жыл бұрын

The titanic sinking scene though lol same kind of music playing and camera angles

The whole movie my friends and I were calling Spider "Monkey boy" and at the end one of the Na'vi actually called him "Monkey boy" and we all burst out laughing

@hanburgundy4317

Жыл бұрын

Bobcat Golthwait: Monkey boy!!!

The problem with these movies is they rely too much on you being blown away by the cgi and cinematography and not thinking too hard about the characters or plot.

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

but wait the kids got kidnapped ...again!

@gpheonix1

Жыл бұрын

and it works. how stupid and uncreative of you to think it wouldn't!

@Red_Rebel

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the movie?

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

Well it had characters and plot

@tordb

Жыл бұрын

That's literally why you go to the movie theater lol!!!

I couldn’t stop laughing when the guy gets shot with the arrow during the last scene and the kid cries out “ITS MOM !”

@altaafsheik5725

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 😂😂😂

@C0ACHMAYNE

Жыл бұрын

everybody laughed lol

@jame2433

Жыл бұрын

Lol peeps have the strangest criticisms of this movie. I don’t get what’s wrong with that line 😂 like if it realistic for a kid to say that? Maybe not but it fits with the film. I dunno man lol

@RobertK1993

Жыл бұрын

@@jame2433 Woke lefty's upset it's better than She MCU

@k--music

Жыл бұрын

@@jame2433 I don't think he was criticizing it, people laughed because it's a funny line (and probably funny on purpose)

Quaritch saw his death just like Thanos in the recording lol

@CustomGameNight

Жыл бұрын

ya sometimes i wonder if these 3 were paying attention

@urbent3147

Жыл бұрын

@@CustomGameNight they don’t pay any attention just like critical drinker and all the snobby reviewers

@raider_reaper_4194

Жыл бұрын

@@CustomGameNight I miss when they had there own opinions, instead of reading social media first then making a video.

@Enzo012

Жыл бұрын

Then he crushed in his own skull.

Spider was "helping" his "dad" because Quaritch made a deal with him so he wouldn't get tortured anymore.

@RobertK1993

Жыл бұрын

Not his dad it's avatar with Quaritich memories.

@jamesfoy1501

Жыл бұрын

he saved his dad from drowning because he let the little girl go to save him first

@wake9513

Жыл бұрын

@@RobertK1993 Quaritch still has the memories of the kid being his own. It’s like saying a step dad isn’t a dad even though he raised him 🥴

@ShantoShmento

Жыл бұрын

most useless character in the movie. 3rd one will come out and he'l be on daddy's side going against jake and the kids... and then daddy dies and spider finally becomes navi. Stupid, I can already see it coming.

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

Spider was helping his dad to get back to his real family, the sully clan. And he had to play politics with the humans and learn their ways in the style jake had to learn the omaticaya people ways

It pissed me off that the oldest son was killed off. He seemed the most level headed out of all of Jake's kids. I would have liked more screen time or plot around him. He was very likable. The story felt all over the place too. Like trying to put too many plots into one film and not explaining enough in the beginning.

@TaterTotsNFanta

Жыл бұрын

Rip to the reply that got deleted

@artboymoy

Жыл бұрын

Well, it sets up the younger brother to grow into being more responsible and level headed and a leader. I enjoyed that all the kids seemed to take after Jake. I don't really see Neteri's personality in them, even the girls. Is that weird?

@ZEFFENWULF

Жыл бұрын

@@artboymoy Neteri has very little personality outside of being Omaticaya and a mother

@Awakened_Wallace

Жыл бұрын

The eldest brother dying is a story trope

@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord

Жыл бұрын

@Numpteez and you just stated the problem of killing him off. He was the obvious choice and I saw it a mile away if his purpose was to only give his younger brother character development then that is a bad character.

Hell with the Review going straight to the spoilers section! 💯😂

Would have been cool to explore Jake’s fading relationship with Eywa (tree god), idk maybe there’s some badass Navi tribe who doesn’t accept the half breeds or Jake as leader. Something else could have been the reason to explore other regions to either rekindle his relationship with the god or realize his adopted daughter is the new chosen one.

@anthonyfrancois-ospina

Жыл бұрын

Much better ideas than what we got

@RobertK1993

Жыл бұрын

Next AVATAR

Lol we all thought of "There's always a bigger fish" at the shark scene

@Ketchup_and_Mustard373

Жыл бұрын

100% thought that right before the whale showed up. Was hoping for a sea monster tho

My question is who makes the Military Avatars clothes and Oakley sunglasses? Like who got the contract to make 18 ft tall Avatars underwear, pants, wife-beaters, and shoes? Can someone make a parody where someone gets the contract to make clothes and accessories, then finds out the Avatars get killed after working long hours to make their clothes? LOL

@PatrickPeterVlogs

Жыл бұрын

still tryna figure out the tattoos thing...did they get them after or cloned with?

The point of them running away was Jake knew they would get the whole tribe killed if they stayed. But Jake didn't realize til the end that his problems are just gonna follow him and hiding from issues doesn't solve them.

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

But that’s his character from the start, he ran away from his crippled body. It’s thematically fitting

@HaggisDruid

Жыл бұрын

@@JoseMolina-jz9hh You get it.

@fitz_94

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@sampro81

Жыл бұрын

The story had to happen… but considering that MyJake was a Marines, well-versed in military operations, he would have mounted an attack within days of their arrivals. A year would not have gone by so peacefully watching the humans destroy the forest and set up camp.

@GourSmith

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think that’s the case … That’s your creation. It seemed like Jake left because he knew they couldn’t win the inevitable fight that was coming. So he tried to get away. Admittedly, I was high on 6 grams of mushrooms when I watched it, but that sounds off.

Neytiri going mad after losing the eldest son was probably my favorite part of the movie. There’s nothing more terrifying than a mother who just lost her child, so seeing her go berserk was a really cool scene. That, and the whale fight scenes, were worth the price of admission

I'd like to see what the humans on Earth are being told about the war, the Navi and Pandora. Maybe the regular humans would protest the war effort if they found out what's going on?

@ned4399

Жыл бұрын

Anti white cuckery trying to guilt trip us over natives used for control

@garyhyry7950

Жыл бұрын

It's not a war....its a colonization of an alien planet by an independent corporation. Think Elon Musk and SpaceX with paid mercenaries and no conscience to speak of.

@samokazem2211

Жыл бұрын

Operations on Pandora are safe and effective.

@Methyll

Жыл бұрын

depends on the state of the Earth at this point. If what the General and colonel are saying is true that Earth is literarily on its last leg and they are desperate for new worlds to colonize etc. then the Regular humans back on earth wouldn't care as much due to desperation. But if it wasn't as bad then their might be protest

@justinrpan

Жыл бұрын

@@Eagles083neytiri will go to earth in 5

The reason the general wants to kill sully so bad even tho he has no memory of him is because if you remember, the general saw sully kill the "human general" on that screen in the movie. How did you miss it

@pitch5330

Жыл бұрын

Lol i think you also missed the point that they need to kill him because of the extremely coordinated attacks on supplies and transport but other than that its a stupid gruge and even more stupid to bring the colenel back

@Daltastar2012

Жыл бұрын

Blue monkey meet Lockheed Martin

@Necr0e1

Жыл бұрын

@@pitch5330 worse is at the end nothing is solved. the humans are still there, the enemy is still alive and well, in 3 hours nothing changed for the planet

@pitch5330

Жыл бұрын

@@Necr0e1 it definitely did change alot for the worse plus yeah of course hes still alive theres like 5 more movies coming

@PaulMccarthyIII

Жыл бұрын

But I think confusing part is when he talks to spider he says I’m not him, I don’t care. And as a character that’s supposed to be pragmatic to a fault, him going after one guy who does nothing seems just stupid. Who cares about sully.

What upset me the most...The son's dying wish was to go home, but instead of taking him to the sacred tree, they just drop him in the foreign water plant.

@johnyaxon__

10 ай бұрын

That was not a plant

The fact that they had to bring back Stephen Lang, just shows how out of ideas for antagonists they were.

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

Not really, if it works the first time then it could a second time and not doing a MCU Villain who appears for 1 movie and dies and nobody remembers him again after some movies

@sheltondmello8031

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragonflee100 both are bad

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

@@sheltondmello8031 not that bad, i radher have a simple villain then someone who always wants to destroy all planets or something like that

@westside9032

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragonflee100 anything is better than the dumpster fire called dceu thank goodness they ended it

@dennythomas4120

Жыл бұрын

So a bottle of brain liquid of an alien whale worth 80m sustains space travel which probably costs a few 100 billions for every rocket shiplaunch, considering it's 2150 AD

"There's always a bigger fish!", OMG I thought about that same line when watching it :P

@Enzo012

Жыл бұрын

Attack of the Clones moment.

@thedarkknight9153

Жыл бұрын

@@Enzo012 The Phantom Menace, but yeah you got it

Really silly thing I haven't seen anyone bring up. Right when they're all free and getting off the ship, they see the fire coming in and retreat back into the ship... but they could easily swim under the fire. They spent the whole movie getting good enough to breath under water, to do that. Same thing with stupidly traveling deeper into the sinking ship to avoid the water. They merely had to grab onto something early on and hold their breath until the strong current subsided, then swim out. But must agree the biggest two plot weaknesses were: -The repeated use of the boys getting in trouble and the kids getting captured. -The water tribe vanishing instead of sticking around for 5 more minutes to easily finish everyone off. Was cool to see the synergy of Neytiri being an absolute murderous savage, drawing agro, while Jake moves tactically and did a lot of sneak killing. Though she's not being that smart, and Jake is probably spending a lot of time just trying to keep her ass alive haha.

@YuniorGamboa

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

I really enjoyed it, my hype had initially disappeared for this movie because of how long we had to wait but I thought I'd give it a shot and now I'm 💯 % invested it this world again. No, it wasn't perfect, and there were some 🤦🏻 moments and questions, but it didn't ruin the film whatsoever. Can't wait for the next one. 👍

@DS-mi9ru

Жыл бұрын

Watching this in a 4k Dolby Atmos showing was truly an unforgettable experience.

14:48 Nah Alex you're forgettin' some shit bro, Quaritch finds his old mech and they recover footage from it showing Jake attacking him, and eventually Neytiri killing him. He sees the arrows in his old skeleton, and this is where it all comes in place, you see on his face the anger, sadness and slight fear. So, they do give him a solid reason to hate Jake, and Quaritch's memories were backed up right before the final fight, after Jake betrayed him in the first movie. He also particularly dislikes Neytiri a lot more after finding out it was really her specifically who killed him. His motivations as Quaritch make sense, especially because he's loyal to a mission, so whether he had a personal grudge or not he was going to do this. 15:25 Spider has empathy to a huge fault, this isn't really unbelievable, it's just annoying because you've watched 3 hours of kids being stupid lmao. 17:28 she doesn't die as an Avatar, she gets shots by Quaritch in her og homosapien body, but the wounds are too great, so they bring her unconscious Avatar body to the tree in an attempt to permanently transfer her consciousness into her Avatar body, which was completely unharmed the entire time. The transfer of consciousness was never made, the Avatar body just stays in it's default unconscious state as before and they just place it back in a tank to not waste it I guess.

@Arimi1992

Жыл бұрын

My guess would be that at some point Eywa will use that avatar more.

@JackdawAviary

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Some of the plot points they point out as problems are explained in the movie. A second watch really does wonders. Except for the disappearing water tribe I suppose. Also about Spider, I think there's more to him helping out the military na'vis. I think it's him wanting to prove above all else that he's na'vi, and the chance to show humans in na'vi bodies how it's done makes him feel like he's better at it than them. The whole time he's laughing and sneering at them. He doesn't fully realize what he's doing because he gets caught up in the moment of feeling good about himself.

It’s funny how a lot of the issues this movie has mirror a lot of the issues we see in average superhero movies, excluding imperfect cgi of course. James Cameron shouldn’t try to knock down others when his own story leaves a lot to be desired

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

not really. Its still better than any phase four film. Even with its faults

@undermoonstars

Жыл бұрын

​@@purefoldnz3070 Mind you this a movie with 10+ of planning in the making and an auteur director like James cameron. Avatar shouldn't even be in the same sentence as marvel phase 4 lol It's no better than Wakanda forever imo with stunning visuals but story line lacking and filled with plot holes

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

@@undermoonstars which plot holes? Its still better than anything in phase four. Its not following a boring MCU formula with the same cinematography same music, same quippy dialogue, same lazy cgi and same mostly bloodless violence. I wouldn't say ten years in the planning since they wrote 4 sequels and already directed two or three.

@ppsarrakis

Жыл бұрын

@@purefoldnz3070 that means nothing tho,phase 4 is a joke

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

@@ppsarrakis yeah thats for sure.

The only memory Steven Lang's character didn't have was the one of how he died, which he saw how later in the movie. He remembers the betrayal by Jake and everything that led up to right before the final fight of Avatar 1. Spider was helping quaritch cause he was being tortured and quaritch said he would stop it if spider helped them.

We were cheated out of a re-appearance of the shark thing that Lo'ak was saved from. Was really looking forward to one or several of those chomping up humans that fell overboard after the whale attack

@hanburgundy4317

Жыл бұрын

Literally the only predator in that ocean.

@565656gooner

Жыл бұрын

The big tuk fish things are like 5 times bigger and stronger... why would the shark things be used when the big Tuk saves him again at the end

For years I thought Stephen Lang’s character was gonna be captured by some corrupt, immoral Na’Vi tribe or outcasts, and revived as his human self. But when I heard he was that Na’Vi in the trailer, I knew his human self had to be dead. That scene of his Na’Vi self going back to where he died & picking up his own skull was a really cool concept to me though.

Did anyone noticed a little sort of frame rate drops at certain parts of movie? Seriously, alot of the movie looked like 60 fps, but there was was like a few choppy scenes. It was something weird. J/s

@joshuabrien2970

Жыл бұрын

The ps5 was lagging a bit the graphics are too good

@Eskaroots

Жыл бұрын

Depends if you watched in HFR. Actions scene and lots of CGI heavy scene were in HFR. Other were in 24fps. The switch between 24->48 could look choppy especially if you were watching digital 3D since you polarize 1/2 of the picture and during switch your eyes catch the switch

@redbaron1332

Жыл бұрын

Yo that’s crazy bro, literally came back from the movie last night and I noticed that as well. Thought I was too wasted but I guess not.

@modelcitizen1977

Жыл бұрын

The 3D worked against it here and I’m surprised they didn’t just do the whole movie in 48fps. It would have been much less distracting. I get that it’s much more work and expense with a 99% CGI movie, but you’re spending $300M, what’s another $100M$ when you’re going to make it all back in a week?

@jame2433

Жыл бұрын

It’s because 48 frames is a lot less cinematic at certain times/moments and other times 48 frames enhances shots, especially for 3D. Some technical thing I’ve heard explained but any time there fast motion on screen 3D benefited greatly from 48 frames

I thought the reason why Spider saved his father despite everything is...Well...Because its his father in the end and for him it was the right thing to do.

@jayhartRIC

Жыл бұрын

plus his father saved his life from Neytiri

@kbg12ila

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but he clearly cared about Kiri more than anything and his dad said he would kill her if he lived and so him saving him didn't make any sense. Maybe if the scene was instead spider being expected to kill him and then not do it because of a small moment but having him take his dad the whole way out with all that time to regret his choice... I can see what they're trying to do but they just didn't build it up well.

@Gizmomaster

Жыл бұрын

@@kbg12ilalet’s put it like this, if Spider hadn’t saved his father after literally watching him drowning I would have disliked Spider. What kind of a person could watch their own father slowly drown in front of them and not do anything? It would be Someone like Steven Lang and Spjder doesn’t want to be like his father. Sometimes doing the right thing may not always be the most logical.

@xvoidgamer

Жыл бұрын

@@Gizmomaster The issue is, to have feelings for someone you must spend time with them.If someone comes and tells you "I'm your father" while killing your people , i don't think you will have any son - father feelings going on. He already had the father figure and family as well... so yea, makes no sense.

@HaggisDruid

Жыл бұрын

Spider still has empathy for Quaritch, he couldn't live with himself letting him die, even after everything. He hates Quaritch, but they did bond a little, and his dad showed a willingness to protect him. He's a 16 year old kid with a big heart and always felt a little out of place, I think his actions made sense for his character.

There is a ton of world building done efficiently through dialogue if you're paying attention. From Quaritch's conversation with the General (notice the military leader has been upgraded 4 ranks from Colonel and is now the undisputed head of the colony) we know that this expedition's primary mission is no longer profit driven but as a lifeboat colony for humanity. The dollar value on the whale juice doesn't really matter because it is at best a side piece to the main action which is creating a massive human colony.

Just watched it and this is the first video I searched for right after haha

It hit me hard when the oldest son died. Zoe wailing and the whole family cryimg over his dead body just got me. And to think that the beginning of the film with Zoe singing with the beads is actually the funeral for their eldest son made it more emotional. Its a great family film at its core and you'll get invested if you have a family of your own that you love.

@nickuva6508

Жыл бұрын

Cringe

@roscoe679

Жыл бұрын

@@nickuva6508 not as much as your life

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

@@nickuva6508 cringe because you like woke movies with LGBT, Feminazi bs political agenda

@michaeljackson2724

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@roscoe679only people with no love think your comment was cringe. I agree with your points

Joe's 8/10 feels more like a 7/10 or 6/10

@hamhockbeans

Жыл бұрын

Yeah more of a rating for the CGI than story.

@blueberrydenim4807

Жыл бұрын

@@hamhockbeansyeah this movie was like 10/10 CGI & 4/10 story, so 6 seems fair

@corruptedpoison1

Жыл бұрын

The movie was a 7/10. Cameron bitches and whines about Marvel movies and then makes a movie with a very generic plot.

@InnerAtanih

Жыл бұрын

@@corruptedpoison1too generous. It was def a 3 or 4 at best. All spectacle without substance

@aqeelraja4750

Жыл бұрын

still gave it a 8 lol

The sea clan was actually... meaningless. So much build-up, so much screen time, but when they are truly gonna do something they disappear? They are right there, on their beasts, armed to the teeth, angry as shit for the dead whales & their captured princess... & Jake tells them to hold for a WHILE because the bad guy only wants him so Jake moves forward. But once the battle starts, why are the sea clan not doing shit? In fact, they are gone entirely. WTF!? Why do we spend 3 hours getting to know characters that do nothing? We only saw glimpses of other clans in the first film prior to the final battle but they sure as hell took PART of said battle & did something! And Kate Winslet's character... Mother of God, save me! She is that tribe's spiritual leader but she is from start to finish angry & hostile & not wanting to help, & they never ever explain why she has this attitude before the Sully family even arrives. It is suggested they don't want Sully's war there at their home as well & that makes perfect sense. But the woman never looses up. And right before the final battle, that they never actually anticipate in, she only then understands that the humans are after Jake specifically. Uhm... that was implied already when Jake arrived 2 hours earlier in the film to her village, is the woman totally dense? The whole thing about the Na'vi is how tolerant & loving they are. Kate's character was none of this. I saw no love or understanding from her at all, besides for her whale. She felt more like one of the humans with her attitude, just hateful & narrow minded, how can SHE be their spiritual leader? And without any given explanation as to why she is like this it all falls flat.

@Red_Rebel

Жыл бұрын

- the Metkayina clan did took the fight right after the Tulkan whale attacked the vessel. They only ‘disappeared’ right around the nighttime when the war wore off. They are sea people, native hunters who doesn’t like wars and tend to outcast others like the chief clan explained in the film. - Ronal, Kate Winslet in the film, was not angry and hostile the entire film. She was skeptic and unwelcoming of outsiders in nature, that was her own character. But she DID accepted Jake’s family towards the end. She provided medicine, allowed her people to teach Jake and Neytiri with their children of the way of water and their ways, and more importantly, you complain that she was angry. Ofc, her peaceful tribe just got disturbed, adding to her spirit sister being (the Tulkan whale with cub) murdered and hunted. She DID loosen up the end, if you think every character have no substance, then that is meaningless. People do have attitude all the time.

@Kruckshanks

Жыл бұрын

@@Red_Rebel preach.

@raymondvalasquez3992

Жыл бұрын

She also was flying into battle while being noticeably pregnant. Terrible motherhood instincts.

My dad left me to go help Mr Cameron make Avatar 2… he’s been gone 14 years. I just want my dad back Mr Cameron. Please stop making him animate so many blue people so you can make movies with political messages about anti-whaling which everyone already decided 30 years ago was a bad thing and China isn’t gonna stop just because of Avatar 2. Please, my mom made him dinner 14 years ago, it’s gonna get cold if you don’t stop making him work on Avatar 3 right now. Please, none of us need Avatar 3. Let my dad come home Mr Cameron, I beg of you

Well at least Henry Cavill got the green light to make a 40k franchise as an executive.

this is pretty much Star Trek 4 minus the time travel

This movie has more plot holes than the titanic but boy does it look sharp.....

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

The film had a plot??

@laid_back_ash7831

Жыл бұрын

@@thebatman4279 True that😃

the mother whale and baby whale death scene almost got me tear up, and then neytiri crying at the end just released everything from my eyes

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man. Those along with Sully showing his mate love, and being there for his kids, and the ending with Sullys stick together made me choke up bad lol

@TheBrawlingBrothers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the final scene where jake was with his son in the memory actually got me more than I thought it would

@craigsovilla6578

Жыл бұрын

Facts.

@oakraidergrl4lif

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that wrecked me too.

@erroldtumaque3430

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBrawlingBrothers Same. The only time I've teared up in theaters in a long time

How do they even figure out the anti-aging thing is specifcally from those whales?? just seems so niche of a thing as opposed to mining. like who did experiments and thought "oh..let's just try this particular animals brain fluid"?? Also continuity error: Stephan Lang didn't have his giant scar on his face from the first movie when he did the recording (despite stating the recording was just before they went into the climax of the movie) :D So after the fight with Jake and Miles Quaritch, Sully has to take a big breath to get out and was drowing before the whale popped up but Miles Quaritch was drowing in the water before even Spider turned up. how the fuck did Spider get him out of the water on his own before he died from drowing?? the Na'Vi had to have help to get out I doubt a human kid could manage it solo

@noem.7430

Жыл бұрын

How do they even figure out the anti-aging thing is specifcally from those whales?? just seems so niche of a thing as opposed to mining. like who did experiments and thought "oh..let's just try this particular animals brain fluid"??- as a cientist, usually you study something and gradually you find uses for that. for example you could study the plant aloe vera, then the leaft, then the components of the leaft, and with the components you find what it can be used for. after that comes the refining and incrementing results.

@Land967

Жыл бұрын

@@noem.7430 but that's after maaaany years, they were there originally to mine an ore. The city was established over the span if 1 year. 1 year is far too soon to discover something like that

There's still so much potential for this story. I think they didn't quite meet the bar in this film as they did the last, but it's still a really good movie. I'd watch it again. I think they just lacked the Macro-plot of the overall series. Like, it didn't bother me that Quaritch was essentially let loose to hunt down and kill Jake. (however, I don't like that he just ran away from the forest people). But I want to know who is behind this whole operation. On one hand it seems like humanity is desperate and trying to find a new home, but on another hand it seems like humanity is being run by a bunch of rich corporations that are only on Pandora for rich minerals and immortality serums, and profit. I wanted to see who is really behind it all; I want to see Emperor Palpatine, not just Darth Vader, if that make sense. I really hope the third movie dives into that a little deeper, otherwise, I think I'll loose interest pretty quick.

@aikimi9081

Жыл бұрын

Dude don’t fall for that free giveaway crap. I was scammed and I don’t know if the real joe is not aware about this 😢

@jonathaneby9485

Жыл бұрын

@@aikimi9081 yah, I just reported it

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

I think Cameron cut a 1 hour of scene from this movie that's why some scenes seems out of place or some stories building up suddenly jump to another one.

@viktorzeman5202

Жыл бұрын

I on the other hand would like way more if they removed the entire human part and made the story only around the nature and Navi. It is cool to watch all the giant human tech moving around, but it feels like a disturbance from the pretty stuff which is the nature for me.

@FeroxX_Gosu

Жыл бұрын

Same! I was a bit dissappointed that they didnt explain the macro more. I want to know more about future humanity. I think a sick ass plot line would be one where some Navi would be want to live in a human way or love human made stuff. Just like in real history when some natives sold huge amounts of land just for booze. I think that would be hilarious and would be really interesting to explore that idea.

I think James Cameron is planning on making this series a generational epic. In my opinion spider saved his dad because Quaritch saved him. I also think they are planting the seed in spider to be the next antagonist after his dad.

Loved the video! Keep up the amazing work!

I got here so fast, that the Spoiler Section and the non-spoiler review havent even appeared on the channel yet.

What will the plot of the 3rd movie center around? That thing with the colonel going after Jake is really stupid at this point what purpose does he serve still being kept alive other than that

@n0nms604

Жыл бұрын

air no seriously

@ethanlay7605

Жыл бұрын

Star Wars was 10 movies straight of the same antagonist lol. I think they’ll work it out

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

Well he could live with the navi and build his own army

@kityhawk2000

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanlay7605 I find it worrying that you can't count to 12 are schools really that bad where you live?

@ethanlay7605

Жыл бұрын

@@kityhawk2000 there are 10 Star Wars movies including rogue one genius

When I say the whale came and eat the shark I look over at my friend and said "there always a bigger fish" 🤣🤣🤣

The guy spider hit with the fire extinguisher is just sleeping he's fine he's sooo sleepy

I think Alex opinion is on point in this one. The movie wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. The visuals were amazing, the characters were good, some moments were good... But the plot is pretty weak. By the way, I think the final battle from Avatar 2009 is a lot better than the final battle of The way of water. It just feels a lot more massive, climatic and epic, and the music has a lot to do with this. Avatar's 2 music was painfully average in key moments of the movie, like the final battle. It didn't have the punch and tribal-musical motives of the 2009 movie's original score. Anyways, pretty sure a lot of Avatar fans expected a lot more from The way of water. This was a beautiful movie, but an interesting one? Nah, not really. Hopefully the 3rd one will be better, if it ever comes out.

@AlexTTzer0

Жыл бұрын

Yea man, In the first movie the stakes were much higher. Watching the second movie after 13 years and the respective "epic final battle" is just him fighting the "bad guy" who he already fought in the first movie makes the ending very lackluster. And the sea navi disappear, wtf ? Its a good movie, but overall disappointing. The first movie was much more polished and tight, this one feels like a copied/less version of the first one (excluding the visuals which were in fact outstanding).

when the avatar series ends up like bayformers

Avatar: Deadliest Catch... First 20 mins were great the rest of it instead of mining rock they mine brains, replace forest with water and add children... and we get the exact same movie

@chrisortiz7487

Жыл бұрын

Winning formula for Cameron sequels!! AlienS: same movie as first, but with space marines, a child, and shit ton of more alienS!! T2: same movie as first, but with a kid and a more vicious Terminator as the villain!

I got Soo Many Vibes from his Past Films, Titanic, T2, True Lies

Spider did a really good job acting like a na’vi despite being human - but the actor seemed way to old to be called a kid. He looks like a full grown man. Early twenties at least

@ethanlay7605

Жыл бұрын

He was surrounded by 10ft tall aliens

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

Where did he look like full grown man?

@israelsaadesnoozer377

Жыл бұрын

He didn't look old at all to me. Like 15 honestly

@crustythwaits5208

Жыл бұрын

The character just had bad writing and the actor just wasn't convincing. Let's not even talk about hit attempt at hissing

@Kefka.

Жыл бұрын

The actor was born in 2004, this film was shot like two years ago. He was around 16 at the time of filming.

I have to hard disagree with you on Spider's character. He didn't betray Jake and co at any point. He thought he had finally found his father, whom he never knew as a child, in the body of the very race he idolized. Of COURSE he's going to initially hope and try for a relationship with him. What kid wouldn't want their parent(s) after never knowing them? He wasn't helping them go against the Navi. In his child-like mind, he thought he was helping his dad become more Navi and maybe get him to see them how he sees them. As soon as he realizes that's never going to happen, he peace's out the second he gets the chance to, knowing now his father will never be who he wants him to be. Also, kids are ABSOLUTELY asshole bullies, drag others they don't like into bad situations, and abandon them. It's just not the dark alley of your neighborhood here, it's the "blink and you're dead" nature of the planet, because that's where they have to play. Imagine playing hide and seek in the forest or mountains and some shithead kids leaving you alone cuz they're dicks. Now there's mountain lions and cougars and shit instead of the creepy guy down the street pushing an old shopping cart. Your responses are based on living in cities your whole lives, instead of living as a part of nature and the food chain as they do here. They very heavily point out how rough the terrain, flora and fauna are on this world in the first movie.

@davidalpeter9963

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Also Alex was getting way too hung up on why Spider saved him at the end. Uhhh its basically his dad and he also just saved spider from getting his throat slit. That's plenty of reason to not let this person die

The part where Jakes son enters the mouth of the big whale and sees into his memories tells the audience that people before this movie, so in the first movie did harvest the juice in those whales too beacuse that was in the past

@lordofthepies

Жыл бұрын

Still very confusing though, official lore beforehand stated that one of those space to ground shuttles used for transportation was about eighth of the size of the spaceship, and we know hells gate from the previous movie was the central operating center of the single spaceship in orbit

@jacobrobinson787

Жыл бұрын

@@lordofthepies And about Hell's Gate, what about it? Did the RDA retake the place? Why wouldn't they? There are a lot of things that were just glossed over.

@langestamper

Жыл бұрын

Yesss!!! That's why they knew that the whale juice stops human ageing for good. That's why they came back, because humanity and the earth are dying and they want/need to take over Pandora now. That's what that General stated

@InnerAtanih

Жыл бұрын

@@Numpteezthis is how easy. It is to fool the modern film audience. They were just willing to believe this had already been established just because the movie said so

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobrobinson787 there's simply too much to continue from Avatar 1 and explore in Avatar 2 that 3 hours is not enough. If studio executives would allow Cameron to make his movie 4 hours for the sake of addressingn those issues, then he would have released the movie with that runtime. I just hope that there's a Director's cut of this film so we would aunderstand some of the confusing bits of the plot.

the crab submarines are so cool and funny I cant help but laugh every time they are shown on screen

I can't wait for the Sozen's Comet plotline in Avatar 3

If you hear there is rumors with Henry and warhammer series There is still hope for us

My favorite scene was when humanity came back. With the rockets incinerating the forest, and the thousands of amp suits pouring out. The only way I see these movies ending, is either Earth learns of the genocides happening. They all make peace. Or the nukes come.

@workingZen

Жыл бұрын

Was such a cool scene seeing those ships break speed in orbit. Looked so cool. I did get excited seeing those suits pour out. Was kind of hoping the action was about to get insane but then yeah most of the movie slowed down. Was beautiful but yeah just thought knowing James being the king of sequals, was expecting even bigger battle scenes.

@El3mental1

Жыл бұрын

Really set the tone of the movie ! Humans ain't effing around.

One of the sequels is going to be a Home Alone inspired comedy romp with the new Navi tribe realizing they left their daughter behind on the boat at the end, cause they had to rush off for an important Navi celebration.

He does have the memories of Jake’s betrayal just not his own death which he did see early on in the film. Not a plot hole. Also grace died in her human form. You just need to watch the first film again lol

Walter White made 80 Million easy🤣 he could of REALLY used that infinite life serum too.😂

@scoth2200

Жыл бұрын

I thought that was such a weird line too. There’s soccer players who go for $80 million😂

@alexbryda

Жыл бұрын

@@scoth2200 right! 🤣🙌👏

It was a little annoying that every single human on the side of Earth enjoys being evil.

@Normalguy1690

Жыл бұрын

Yea (Native American) avatars good. (European) earth colonisers bad.

@opiumfields3285

Жыл бұрын

@@Normalguy1690 >niggas who kill for profit bad no fuckin shit

@Normalguy1690

Жыл бұрын

@@opiumfields3285 what do you think every meat market on earth kills for? To sell the meat.

@opiumfields3285

Жыл бұрын

@@Normalguy1690 killing in the movie is unnecessary though, the human already have the hardtofindium source since 1

@Normalguy1690

Жыл бұрын

@@opiumfields3285 killing the whales is for the life extending juice. Killing the forest avatars is because they are fighting a guerrilla war. Everything else is because of the stupid revenge plot.

I also thought the same at first with the navi leaving at the end fight. If you notice though its essentially cut so that when the chiefs daughter is rescued, you stop seeing any other navi in the background. So I assume they left since they saved the whales and the daughter, and just left sullys family lol.

So As Alex is explaining the plot I’m like… yeah, that was a great plot hole save, DL memories back to earth, I get it lol in all honesty it was Great plot armor to bring back dead characters.

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I enjoyed from this film, it seems to fill in where the first film left open. And I’m hoping the trend continues and the world/lore gets more and more complex and substantial

@hanburgundy4317

Жыл бұрын

Just download a fucking person - because that's not the stupidest retcon ever.

this movie did things to my brain no other movies have done

@CaptainTitforce

Жыл бұрын

Did your brain go to sleep too?

How did you guys miss out the part where they explain why they created theyr own Navi?? The new general says that the zone where Navi bases is located any human or ship troop they send the planets fauna atacks and kills them, so they create theyr own Navi that go to the jungle and when the raptor/panthers see them thay just growl and keep theyr way and there the guy sees the recording of how his original gets killed and takes it way to personal...

@51iohC

Жыл бұрын

thats not the problem. the problem is the weird cheap way of bringing back old villains. mind copying and cloning? thats such a weird sci-fi plot. they did all that just to have steven lang back in the film.

@cubanref9670

Жыл бұрын

@@51iohC It's a James Cameron trope. The exact opposite of what Fincher did in Alien 3. I liked Stephen Lang so no complaint here.

@ForgottenShinobi11

Жыл бұрын

@@51iohC Ithink there is no cloning just copying the minds of dead soldiers to create theyr own navi these are not avatars like in the first movie, i imagine noy many soldiers that are alive would sacrifice theyr lives to be born anew in a Navi body dunno bro.

@thewolf01x95

Жыл бұрын

@@51iohC 🤡

@nealtibbs585

Жыл бұрын

I also notice they missed that the soldiers backed up there memories after Jake had already betrayed them 2 hours before the major battle in the first one. So he had a good reason to chase Jake. There nick picking is ridiculous its like they just want to shit on stuff its what is wrong with critics/reviewers these days

Don’t think, just consume product and move to next product-

@zoso1up

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said lol

Did everyone forget the tracking chip on the kids mask?

Can someone mention that horrible second to last sentence from Jake specifically “We’re water people now” I burst out laughing dialogue so bad it’s good🤣

@studentstudent5044

Жыл бұрын

How is it bad?

@KAGIICHII

Жыл бұрын

@@studentstudent5044 I mean I guess it’s not really bad cause no lie I enjoyed the movie but that one part of dialogue and how it was said felt out of place but it didn’t make the movie bad it was really hilarious to me

@studentstudent5044

Жыл бұрын

@@KAGIICHII I can understand what you mean but the movie really is a fantastic experience with good fleshed out scenes, we need to support it❤️

@KAGIICHII

Жыл бұрын

@@studentstudent5044 Ayy man Ima be honest I tripped on shrooms and watched it and man it was amazing all the characters, the visuals they were so damn good honestly wish I can watch it again for the first time I definitely loved this movie it was better than a lot that have come out recently so ima show all my love for this especially cause I want them to green light the sequels💯🙏🏾

@jadenrobinson1561

Жыл бұрын

@@KAGIICHII exactly. So why make a comment like this if you know you were under the influence anyway.

8/10?! You're essentially the IGN of movie critics.

@alfangel2003

Жыл бұрын

He's a consoomer, he's always been

@goodnesswhy

Жыл бұрын

He would be if he gave it a 7 lol.

@xcreeseseater38

Жыл бұрын

Yea I basically only listen to Alex most reviews as hes clearly the smartest about the things. Joe is simple minded kinda brainless "oh cool explosions and cool fighting!! 10/10!!!" even though the story blow hairy anus. OJ is a nice balance between Alex and Joe and I agree with him more than Joe as well.

@OpticLureProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@xcreeseseater38 Alex is a buzzkill lol overthinks everything and cant enjoy anything. I just got back from the film and hes flat out ridiculous in his critiques.

Why would they need a youth elixir if they can just clone people and download their mind into the clones? It's also apparently cheap enough to use on random soldiers, so....

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

For People on earth who aren‘t going to Pandora

@Fjottle

Жыл бұрын

What? You still die even if you clone yourself. And the memories aren't transfered, they're copied and pasted. It's a new person just like you, but still a NEW person.

@Dragonflee100

Жыл бұрын

I would take youth elixir all the time against cloning

@mylilnoodle928

Жыл бұрын

@@Fjottle Yea, that was explained in the movie, but that requires that you actually watch the movie first otherwise you wouldn't be asking ignorant questions like OP.

@heetsees

Жыл бұрын

@@mylilnoodle928 no no hes not wrong for pointing out an obvious plot hole. If a race can clone and download memories and travel through space then longevity is easily achievable without slimey whale juice. In fact anyone who would pay to watch this disney trash should be considered the ignorant one. Or rather an ignoramus.

I couldn't get over the part where the younger brother goes off to warn the outcast whale that the humans are on their way. The other kids warn him not to go, but he of course goes off because he needs to save the whale. The others start to follow him, then the Sigourney Weaver character sees them take off, towards danger, *with the youngest daughter alongside her* and thinks, "sure, taking my defenceless little sister headfirst into the entire human army is a great idea!" Such a stupid contrived way to get the youngest daughter into the final battle when she would've and should've been back at the village with the rest of the ones who couldn't fight.

Good work again squad

I feel like the only one defending Spider. I’m seeing it again so maybe I just don’t remember but Spider is a human with kind of an identity crisis, and they imply this in a couple small moments. He also has the same connection to his “father” that Quaritch has with him. Spider never actually helps the humans, he’s more so kind of just saying they’re dumbasses and taunting them. It’s clear he actively dislikes everything that is happening here. He saves Quaritch because of this innate familial connection he has because while he might feel that jake or whatever is a father figure, Quaritch actually is his father. Even if he’s an asshole, you don’t want to lose the possibility of learning more about your father. When he says “fuck” before rescuing him he knows logically it’s the wrong move, but he’s driving by some sort of emotion It honestly made perfect sense to me so I don’t get why everyone has a problem with this character. I do think that the film cut out a lot of important stuff tho, interested to see a directors cut

@princenoreally

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you on this

@Gizmomaster

Жыл бұрын

Could you really consider someone to be “good” if they watch their own father die and do nothing? Honestly if he had left him to die my opinion of Spider would be much worse. It shows Spider is more decent than his father and also keeps alive a good villain. It’s the same dilemma with GI Joe and Cobra Commander. With cobra hanging from a cliff he calls out for help and the hero always saves him only to get pushed off the cliff by Cobra Commander seconds later, but the hero ultimately gets saved. Doing good things is a good unto itself, you don’t expect to be rewarded and often aren’t but that’s not the reason why you do them. You do good things because it’s the right thing to do. And saving Quaritch was the right thing to do.

@jame2433

Жыл бұрын

@@Gizmomaster agreed. I hadn’t thought about that angle of this situation. I’m finding this movie is super polarising with its story and I find that fascinating. Even amongst my friend group I’m seeing opinions about the story and I have to wonder if we even saw the same movie. Seeing the same thing in critic reviews. I do wonder whether I’m just giving it free points or whether the nickel Back effect has taken root in Avatar. It has problems for sure, but the ones people raise are to me a strength of the film

As to the whole "the humans are like cartoon villains" bit, humans totally behaved like this in the past when colonizing other peoples. Check Hernán Córtez or Francisco Pizarro for prime examples of real-life cartoon villains. A desperate for survival humanity would be capable of atrocities and our governments would absolutely support this if it came down to the wire for survival, given that they are run mostly by sociopaths at the current time.

@VaeSapiens

Жыл бұрын

I don''t think that the problem is with human potrayed as villains. The problem is the whole logic behind those villain actions. With your example of Cortez, we know that Cortez actually planned his conquest of the Mexica. He made strategic alliances, understood the Aztecs and their culture to a point when he could turn it against them. He landed with 500 men, 13 arqebuses and 16 horses. The technological gap wasn't that big that would make Cortez conquest simple, local politics and the smallpox outbreak played the decissive role in the conquest. There was also the whole issue of consolidation of power. It's not hard to imagine, that a future human civilisation if it was "evil" would try to make a virus that would spread among the Naavi, or use local politics first, before antagonizing the tribes. The plot would be far more interesting if we had to deal with Naavi aligned with humans than clones of soldiers. But Cameron wants to potray the Noble savage to the point when it becomes a caricature of itself.

@magnuskno

Жыл бұрын

@@VaeSapiens We'll have to see how any further sequels pan out. All what you said is not that unlikely to happen if we get any further into the story. Or maybe not and we'll stay with the simple good/evil story, both is possible. And let's not forget that the humans were kicked off Pandora once already. The humans here also don't know how it will turn out. But they are just as ruthless as Cortéz and Pizarro to get to their goals.

@VaeSapiens

Жыл бұрын

@@magnuskno I seriously doubt it. Both Avatars have a very simple Nature vs Civilisation theme and I don't think that Cameron is interested in doing anything beyond that. The whale immortality juice in this one already proves this point, as any discovery remotely connected to prolonging human lifespan would have gigantic impact on humanity. Simple things like sanitation or cholesterol lowering drugs changed global culture in a way that even a 3 hour movie couldn't possibly explore. Even though I generally agree that Cortez and Pizarro were ruthless and even by the standards of the day - morally evil and not even particularly remarkable (Pizzaro was illiterate). Actually shows more problems with the writtings. If those two, were sensible enough to think an actual plan for enslavement of Americas. How stupid the antagonists of these movies are? Movies like Avatar 1 and 2 dont hold up, if you think about them for more than a minute.

@AJ-sw8uf

Жыл бұрын

@@VaeSapiens it’s from the POV of the navi

They should have explained that because of what happened to Jake's twin brother in the first film (he died while they were making his avatar body), they started taking regular imprints of their soldiers and staff. Which they could also use that same concept to put Sigourney Weaver's character back into her Avatar body.

4:12 - reminds me of Cameron’s Aliens where in 2122 a space freighter carrying an oil refinery with a crew shuttle, hibernation pods, and multiple life vessels is stated to be worth 400 million dollars. Dude, there’re houses worth more than that.

The plot was really bad. Abandoning the forest clan which he fought so hard to protect with no guarantee they would be safe...

Just got back from watching it. Enjoyed it, visually amazing such as the first, felt story as good as the first. I found odd at the end, all the Navi attacked, then suddenly nobody around when saving the kids... did everyone just think fuck that and ran off after or just spent ages fighting dingys... xD

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

Well it does happen all sequentially and Jake does happen upon the ship before everyone else because he was in proximity to the sea dragon while battling Quaritch. The dingy lol as you put it, there were a bunch running around, so maybe it's safe to assume they fought them off while regrouping the sea dragon sank, they're also not trained like the Sullys to remain in formation which is why Nateyum is able to get on board after the crash. And half the tribe left before the battle too, to protect the tuukuun, several of the riders do get shot off their fishes so... who knows. I'm gonna see it again later lol

Did anyone else notice the titanic theme music playing while the human boat sunk?

I do think there are story differences discussed in this review but these elements could be developed more in the next sequels depending how many will get made. I did find yeah watchable but that's what I expected it from it.

Cameron is some kind of wizard, I don't know how he can make a movie so obviously bad on a whole number of levels and still have me glued to the screen for over 3 hours.

@absalom0412

Жыл бұрын

Cause of fancy visuals but no real substance.

@TheAngryHippie

Жыл бұрын

maybe its not bad? lol

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

@@absalom0412 if it has no substance then people would hate it

@JoseMolina-jz9hh

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because you didn’t notice how good it was… but your brain did

@absalom0412

Жыл бұрын

@@randomly_random_0 Well people don't understand good movies cause avatar 2 was formulaic with no real substance.

I feel like a lot of people misunderstand spider. What he is is simply confused. He has seen both sides. What happened to his father and what the na'vi are like so his allegiance is kinda split. Spider could almost represent us as viewers because while we do enjoy the na'vi taking humans down, we know that all humans aren't pieces of shit. I mean, spider almost turned quaritch soft. That alone is proof enough that he will somehow mend the bond between humans and na'vi. Him doing both sides isn't a bug, its a feature.

@nolandderlugner1351

Жыл бұрын

he didnt see the human side at all, he has 0 memories of anything human related hence it making 0 sense, he even shouldve died cause the world is not made for humans

@trueromani7262

Жыл бұрын

@@nolandderlugner1351 spider was birthed by humans and the human scientists even took care of him. He speaks english. He does not hate humans. He makes constant effort to stop quaritch from being his former self. Its not like he can just escape. Marines have guns and they track him all the time. Plus, he just hangs around the na'vi. He is never actually mentioned as an active member of the na'vi so he mostly knows what kind of world he is into. This is why he does not object to the fact that neytiri almost killed him.

1:25 I was actually laughing at the theater since I could hear Aliens movie drums theme during the end battle.

I'd honestly have to give this movie a 3/10, 1 point for the visuals, 1 for the last hour and 1 for the new animals which I found interesting. Aside from that the story made absolutely no sense, had nothing to support it or 90% of its plots from the original. The only thing that made sense is that the humans came back. We had no evidence that Quaritch had a wife let alone a son, his wife left the planet and abandoned the baby because "babies can't go in stasis", the kid was younger then some of Jake Sully's sons, nothing was explained about how Kiri came into existence nor was shown in any capacity that Grace was pregnant. The main reason they went after Jake was because he was the clan leader that was putting up some resistance and he passed the leadership on and left so there was no reason to pursue him since Quaritch's "clone" didn't have the memories of his fight with Jake while he was human and Quaritch clearly didn't care about his human body as he literally crushed the skull in his hand. They could of made this sequel entirely different by just saying the Omaticaya needed a new home after hometree was destroyed (Eywa is everywhere and the tree of souls wasn't a viable village it was tiny) so they went to the Metkayina clan for refuge then started the sequel there with Jake and his people learning their ways for literally the first hour of the movie then could of just said "10 Years Later" then spent 30-40 minutes of family building time with his daughter & 2 sons before humans invaded, then the rest of the movie dealing with the new threats (that made sense) and then ended the sequel. In the 3rd movie make it about war and the conclusion to the human threat and if the 3rd movie was successful make a 4th & 5th movie with a new threat but not necessarily a human threat either as it could of been a threat between other clans. They could of cut Kiri, Quaritch and Spider completely out of the movie and it'd of been better, but possibly still keep scenes with Jake and Neytiri seeing Grace through Eywa via some means with the new connections they made with the Metkayina.

@rsmith8113

Жыл бұрын

Kiri was okay as a character, just drop the blue female Jesus plot of hers. Make her the next Jake “chosen by Eywa” not a god lol

Here's what gets me with the space whale brain-goop thing. The movie already establishes that humans can implant their memories and personality into a Na'vi body. With this, it can be safe to assume that people can do the same with any other genetically engineered body. The humans in Avatar have effectively developed tech that's on the cusp of becoming the stacks in Altered Carbon. So, instead of wasting massive amounts of resources on simply stopping aging via space whaling on an extremely hostile alien planet, why not go all in on the body transfer tech and develop it to the point where death itself becomes a mere inconvenience?

@jopearson6321

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but if your problem with this movie is that the plot-driving technology is not logically consistent, then you're definitely approaching it wrong, because Cameron's worldbuilding is not designed to withstand much more than a surface-level examination of what its plot implies about its universe. Of course, the classic example of this is the Harry Potter universe, which has this issue but on steroids (they sell 100% working non-consensual love potions to children). So many horrifying implications that people don't notice because they are distracted by whimsy. On the positive side, there does gradually seem to be momentum building towards more hard sci-fi movies and dramas in the next few decades (fingers crossed for Rendezvous With Rama), so I'm Iooking forward to see if that happens.

@jopearson6321

Жыл бұрын

PS have you read the Takeshi Kovacs books?

@psbox362

Жыл бұрын

@@jopearson6321 I've only read the first book. I didn't get the chance to read Broken Angels or Woken Furies.

@jopearson6321

Жыл бұрын

@@psbox362 Ah, I think all of them are good in their own way, but I personally think Woken Furies is the best of the lot (Broken Angels has many great moments but some severe pacing issues).

@elitemook4234

Жыл бұрын

Because implanting your memories in a copy is not the same as being immortal. It's your copy who lives on, YOU are dead.

Neteri is the greatest human slayer she don't need water tribe she just needs a bow and arrow

8:18 There was a part where the general talks with spider and basically tells him , 'either help me or I'm giving you back to the science pukes to brain torture you some more'.. so doesn't leave him with much choice.. then in the helicopter the general reminds spider there is a tracker in his mask and if he tries to run away he will find him.

Just watched it: Stunning movie but we have sadly been spoiled a lot by movies with great cgi these few years now so does leave you picking at the story. I wish the plot more was: that they bringing in large scale terraforming plants to convert the atmosphere into breathable air for the planed colonization of Earth to Pandora. And that these plants are sucking up sea water to cool the nuclear reactors, contaminating the oceans and in turn will kill those who can only breath that air. So they have to work together to take these huge nuclear terraforming plants off line but doing so could cause them to melt down.. what to do??

I just love how everybody complains about the Avatar movies for their lack of substance and story, but applauds Top Gun Maverick when it has the same flaws: awesome visuals, meh story. I love both movies, but it just feels dumb to complain about only one of them. That movie was full of plotholes and was just about: dangerous mission, short time to train.

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

The difference is that Top Gun: Maverick had fun characters, decent dialogue, was emotionally engaging and the action scenes were exciting. Avatar 2 had none of these things. I was gobsmacked by how underwhelming the final act was.