The thicker board may be to help with heat dissipation from the lack of get spreader on that chip. Which may explain why Caddx said not to remove it from the older version. Lack of mounting holes shouldn't be an issue, many whoop cameras don't have side holes!

@CDRaff

Жыл бұрын

I bet it's thicker because the ground plane is thicker, which like you said, would make it move heat away from the chip faster.

Love your content Nick, so soothing to me in a hard time, thanks for doing what you do

Thanks for the review! I'm so excited to get back to flying whoops. Great timing for WS to release this during winter too. This will make the bleak days a little brighter. I haven't flown whoops since moving from analog to DJI. I just ordered the flywoo firefly 20 but, I really want a 65mm 1s with WS and have it fly amazing.

Wow this is awesome. Might be the thing that makes me hop on the 1s HD train. Thanks Nick!

cant wait to get this and try it out

Fantastic review, Nick! Thanks!!! 😃 Looking forward to the flight video! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

That's some great weight saving. Wish I had ordered the 1s version now. Will have to get one ASAP.

Hope you put it into your tks rocket race or something similar (happymodel bassline, flywoo nano Baby 20 stylish) as this will be my next quad and maybe my First ever self build. If you build a new style quad, would love to get your tuning As i Do not know how to Do that yet

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

We can't do a two layer board in the rocket race. The props overlap the aio/fc. Two layers means the props will hit the second layer. there is potential to try to lower it, but it could be so close and risky.

@MCsCreations

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV I guess they're going to need to make an option with longer arms then, because a lot of people are going to want one! 😂

@Sfpv1994

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV ah damn, thats the reason....didnt think about that. Thanks for your reply, still excitied about your review :)

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@MCsCreations The starlord is another jacks3dprinting.com frame that is close to the rocket race that will allow a 2 board stack

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@Sfpv1994 See my comment in this thread for a micro frame option

Awesome review Nick 👍🙏👍🙏

waiting patiently for my snail. Planning to put it in a 7in, but given the next 3 months of less than ideal weather coming, I may put it in an existing build just to test it.

Looking good and healthy sir, keep up the awesome work 👍

I think the thickness may also have to do with better heat dissipation? The vtx otherwise might start thermal throttling and you'd see latency increases, jitter etc... Would love to see someone do a latency test of this system alongside the temperature.. especially when just hovering/slow cruising in not so good airflow frames..

My vrx has shipped 🥰

So much novelty in the micro arena! I use v1 DJI goggles for my 3inchs with an analogue adaptor for some whooping action. Seeing this… I’m thinking whether it’s time to transition to some other systems.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

DJI hasn't appeared to be interested in micro sizing things to much, especially the vtx side of things.

I absolutely love what walksnail is doing❤️ I want to move up to hd and I wanted to get the goggles2 but I don't like the vignetting issue and hdzero gogs were gonna be my go to since I fly whoops and micros and weight is key! However I want a pair of gogs that will work with everything and I can be sub250g lol am I asking for too much 😁

That exposed silicon scares me on a quad but im very happy that walksnail is constantly improving their peoducts

@rp479

Жыл бұрын

No different than a flight controller

@starsstripesjacket

Жыл бұрын

@RP not true, the chips on the flight controller have the actual silicon encased for the very reason of protecting the silicon. The main chip on the VTX has the silicon die exposed. This die is much more fragile. Its why computer processors have a heat spreader on them. Back in the day they didnt and it was common to break the corners when installing the cooler which could kill it.

@rp479

Жыл бұрын

@@starsstripesjacket oh you’re right. Thanks for pointing that out

Thanks for the info! Does this new camera fit into the newbeedrone beebrain canopies like the nano 3? I'm definitely looking forward to getting my vrx preorder as this will finally be my first step into digital hd flying!

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

That is a dry fitting I didn't try. I think it will though as the size is very very close if not the same. The main difference is the lens size but we can overcome that

The game changer would be a aio fc with walksnail built in. I wonder if that will ever happen or even be possible. Nice review nick👍 cheers

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

I think that would be hard with the asic required to make the video transmission happen and the restricted space of 25.5mm. Seems we could potentially see it on a larger board that mounts 20x20 but that might be a stretch too.

Just ordered one of these via link from caddx but hopefully they will be available in the US soon with boards and cameras separate. I plan to try it with my moblite6 first thats coming in at 24g with the old 1s camera and analog Diamond board. Should save almost two grams with the 1s lite and Crazybee lite board Happymodel uses on the mobula 6 HDzero. The $89 price tag is awesome to see HD finally becoming a viable option for a lot more people.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully yes we can get the individual parts soon. Seems as though they might be longer with the work delays in China

Good

Hey Nick, would you possibly be able to link that 3d print for the camera that gives the ability to mount with screws?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

I have only seen it with the runcam nano 3, I don't even see the mount picture in the images on the runcam nano 3 product pages.

The weight savings may look impressive on paper, but in the end, the functional weight of adding a camera mount that walksnail didn’t include in this lite version would contradict the weight savings it was going for. The burden of mounting the camera properly is now also up to the end user (which can potentially add bulk, weight, and hassle). Plus, you’re stuck with a plastic camera housing, no metal heat sink, and worse antenna. The only upside to this version of avatar mini is for those hardcore weight savers chasing those grams, and the physical size. Other than that, the regular 1s mini is functionally best overall. Wish walksnail can eventually reintroduce the metal heatsink to the new board.

@MouwDown

Жыл бұрын

I'm interested in the new camera because it'll fit in the Betafpv HX115 frame without taller standoffs.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Its possible depending what we use to mount could add weight. The mount from the runcam I showed in the video is .2grams, we add the 4 screws to bring it up to .32 grams. I also found another random mount that holds the lens and thus doesn't requiring screws to mount to the camera which weights .28 grams then we add the canopy mounting screws to bring that one to .31 grams. I don't see the antenna as an issue, the antennas I have had with both versions of the 1s vtx are nearly the same construction with slight weight differences. I do agree they needed to add a mount of their own rather than builders having to dig through excess parts to find something that will work.

@WATCHMAKUH

Жыл бұрын

I hope walksnail can include that runcam mount you found as well as supporting hardware in the kit. Not everyone will have that mount especially for those starting a build using the lite kit. It seems like a nice option with minimal weight too! Plus, they can still claim the low weight on just the unit since the mount is an “accessory” lol. Great review and love seeing your vids! Love how you include solutions to your reviews too. Looking forward to the flight vid!

I have to say I'm pretty impressed that walksnail would release the new vrx with the new 1s board before even bringing that board to market!

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

me too, I am bias as a micro guy

@rallestestordner8578

Жыл бұрын

I think they mean the version2 (new layout, same camera) but not the new lite version!

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@rallestestordner8578 oh I think I understand

@POLARISFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@rallestestordner8578 time will tell I guess?

I'm pretty confused on my order that just arrived. it's the new version with the smaller layout and everything but it still has the heat sink and it came with the old camera and old antenna LOL

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I am hearing this, and my order arrived the same way. Seems either I was told incorrectly or a change not notified of.

Ha, probably the board is thicker cause they had to go up in PCB layer count to be able to shrink the overall PCB size and still fit all components! Interesting :)

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

I suspect the same, but didn't expect it of course

If they were truly going for the most light version I wish they would ditch the onboard recording system.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

That chip might be a good weight savings.

how can you power from 2s? On-board 5V power supply of the flight controller is suitable or an external one is needed bec?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

The needed voltage for this vtx is 3.1-5v. So we get 5v from one of the 5v pads on the flight controller. I have three walksnail builds using the 1s board I have wired them all this way without a bec.

I bet the put a almost massive ground plane into the PCB to dissipate the heat from the main CPU.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

That could be but I wouldn't know. I don't have that sort of knowledge :)

@volkergoe

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV As long as it works without overheating we don't need to know 😉 (would need an x-ray to be sure)

Hey Nick, been wanting to get into FPV but am worried I might be throwing my money away with all the hoop’s, hurdles and new rules from the FAA. Your thoughts ?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Going micro is the best way to avoid most of the potential rules. Of course if we fly inside non of the rules apply. I also think there is much to play out yet, rules can be a "bad actor" deterrent, but just like in everyday life that deterrent only goes so far to stop an activity.....speed limits is the first I think of. Law enforcement doesn't enforce them to the letter of the law and its fairly excepted we won't get stopped if we are close to the speed limit even if we are slightly over the limit.

@r.u.kidding8696

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV Thank u !

Hey Nick... Where can I get the mount you show in the Video?... My camera was ruined and I want to get the VTX lite but I don't know how to mount it on the frame

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

it comes with the runcam nano 3 camera. I don't think its available separately, but maybe somewhere I haven't looked. Might have to get one printed.

@DanielBarrios83

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks

So apparently the old 1s vtx has a v1 and a v2. And then there’s this new LITE 1s vtx. So in total, 3 different 1s vtx’s. A V1, a V2, and a Lite. I think the VRX combo with 1s vtx was for a V1 vtx. And now they have updated it to ship with a V2. I had a friend ask if the pre orders for the vrx+1s vtx combo would come with the Lite vtx. It seems like their response is that it would come with the updated V2, not the Lite. In reference to the lite vtx, my friend told me “I think I talked them into a new combo”. Sure enough, soon after, they added a “Lite” combo option to the preorders in addition to the old 1s vtx option. So now there is a “1s kit” and a “1s Lite Kit” that can be selected as your combo option for the VRX. I put in a preorder the first day the VRX combos were available. My preorder was for the combo with the “1s kit”. Given that they haven’t replaced the “1s kit” with the “1s lite kit” option, and that they told my friend the original preorders preorders would NOT have the lite vtx, unfortunately, I think us early buyers are getting the heavier vtx. Time will tell though. Just gotta get my shipment in. Either way, I went and bought just the 1s lite kit as a standalone, JUST IN CASE lol. Here’s to hoping I’ve got 2 on the way rather than a lite and a heavy. The fact they told you they will ship with the lite vtx gives me a dash of hope but I’m not banking on it :/

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

yea, communication with our fpv manufacturers can be confusing and sometimes conflicting information depending on who we are communicating with. Like you said....time will tell.

@zachmachina

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV I got mine in today! Unfortunately it’s the heavier version. Luckily though, when I heard it may be, I went ahead and bought a lite one too so I’m good!

what is the connector size on that board?

@NickBurnsFPV

3 ай бұрын

Sorry, I don't know they name of those connectors.

Will you be reviewing the v3?

@NickBurnsFPV

4 ай бұрын

its here kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6aauLRxlbrYj8o.html

@ddxdezx

3 ай бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV doh! Thanks! :)

What voltage is better to connect that new vtx 5v or 3v output on FC?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

better? If it works it works, how can one voltage be better if its with voltage operating range.

@lukaszbukanski4812

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I was not precise enough, are there any problems with VTX when power from 3v FC output or for a more stable reliable work better to use 5v output? Also asking a question as I think there are not many AIO FC with 3v output.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@lukaszbukanski4812 No I don't see a benefit or negative if we are within the voltage range of 3.1-5v. I suspect they designed with that voltage as it allows us to run directly off a 1s lipo down to 3.1v which is fairly low for 1s and the upper limit of 5v to wire to the fc 5v pad.

I have the version of this that released just before this super light one. Same board and layout but it has the heat dispater and old camera. Let's say I wanted to remove the heat dispater myself.... How would I accomplish this?

@lemonsquareFPV

Жыл бұрын

I just wrote this to someone earlier with the same question: I am the person that de-lids all of my processors… it is a high risk operation, but I have never screwed one up in the 20+ that I have done. Take a thin razor and cut the silicone bead that glues the heat spreader, carefully as you can easily knock off a component, and do not cut deep, at all, as you can damage components under the spreader… but with a steady hand and patience, you’ll do fine. Also don’t cut yourself on the razor… I use double edged shaving razors and you can really mess yourself up if you are not careful. The thinner the blade the better. You’ll know when all the silicone is cut, as you will feel it, and be able to rotate the heat spreader. Don’t rotate more than 3degrees, you don’t want to damage anything underneath. Slowly and gently rotate a small amount, back and fourth to loosen up the thermal compound underneath in the centre and put a SMALL amount of upwards prying pressure on one of the corners, and in 1-5 seconds it should come off. If it doesn’t… release the pressure and try on the next corner beside it, just not the opposite one. And it should come up, if not, just keep going around 90 degrees at a time. It should come up pretty easily honestly. And may even come up before you even finish cutting the silicone bead. Carefully cut off the remaining silicone on the chipset mount and clean off the thermal compound with some 99% alcohol. Obviously I’m not responsible for anything you do, but it’s honestly not difficult for me.

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind this void any warranty it has.

@lemonsquareFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV LoL, indeed, I tried to include all the different risks… but I’m the kind that can’t leave well enough alone :p and a gram and a half is a decent amount of weight… worth giving up your warranty ;) For me. Basically we give up our warranty when we solder on our boards… this is not too dissimilar

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@lemonsquareFPV yea, warranty in fpv. Kind of an odd thing to think about as we can hear so much of people crashing then wanting to return a quad after damage.

@lemonsquareFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV I always found it super funny, yet also really sad. It’s like I throw my TV off my balcony pick up the pieces and take them to Bestbuy… and getting upset that they won’t give me a free TV :p or expecting them to take my word for it and just delivering me a new TV with a same day courier just because I called them on the phone upset and they should for sure know who I am and what TV I had :p

KZread generally gives anything less than 2K a terrible bitrate, and the trick that many big KZreadrs use is to upscale their videos to 2K or 4K. It looks much better then. A 2K video uploaded in 2K and viewed in 1080p is also going to look much better than if it was uploaded in 1080p. There is a video that talks about this and explains all the details: kzread.info/dash/bejne/YpqulplymcfFecY.html

Would the VTX overheat if the drone/plane crashes far away and can't be turned off quickly?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

Potentially. The digital vtx do have thermal shutdown built in but how effective is it in protecting against prolonged power but no air flow I am not certain

@StickJockeyFPV

10 ай бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV ​ @Painless360 How long does it take before the overheat warning comes on in the goggles with the VTX that does not have the heatsink while sitting idle with no fan?

@NickBurnsFPV

10 ай бұрын

@@StickJockeyFPVdepends on the environmental tempertures, if the vtx was in flight and stopped. From initial battery plug in from a cool state it might be about 2 minutes

@StickJockeyFPV

10 ай бұрын

@@NickBurnsFPV Interesting! 2 minutes is about how long it takes with the VTX mini lite with the heat sink on. I wonder what the point is of the heat sink/shield.

I wonder if the "Avatar" name got leaked, and thus DJI named their simultaneous release "Avata" in order to steal customers who are not familiar with both systems?

@NickBurnsFPV

Жыл бұрын

hard to say, maybe either way

lol a camera review with literally zero test footage

@NickBurnsFPV

5 ай бұрын

Its not a new camera, its only de-cased.

Well, I do not buy 5,8GHz Full+-HD transmission. Wave propagation is pathetic here. For HD only 2,4GHz - ciao! For interference consideration, just go down with RC frequency, to e.g. 868MHz/433MHz ... Simple. Stick this 5,8 GHz somewhere deep. Useless and pointless! Learn physics!