Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com Big thank you to everyone for watching and a big thank you to shotgun for flying the Viper for this viper, turns out the harrier can be super annoying if you do the whole viffing thing, if we used fox2's in this fight things might have been a little more interesting, maybe for a future video. Thanks for watching guys, Much Love.

@Progamer-jk6lm

2 жыл бұрын

Love your video GS

@Anarchy_420

2 жыл бұрын

F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR🙏

@aviationist1018

2 жыл бұрын

Hey GS, a way to defeat the missiles maybe is by waiting for them to launch and then retreat while notching, wasting the missile, and you repeat that until their out of missiles, the Mig’s carry 4 of the R-40 missiles, so all you have to do is try to defend them then your in the green to go offensive

@americanpatriot4227

2 жыл бұрын

@@valkoharja I am with you on that question, after hitting him, it looked like an extension to me too, FOX him lol, I am 99% sure I would have. BUT, Thats GS - never taking the easy way out and willing to keep pushing, simply no substitute for his unwillingness to go easy or quit. RARE in this environment.

@uscintraalexandre

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

You know what I'd love? After fights like this, maybe in a separate video, a discussion between you and whoever you're facing talking about the fight and hearing each of your thoughts on the fight, and the planes.

@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@macgyver186

2 жыл бұрын

I suggested this awhile ago. A tacview debrief with both pilots input. I think it would be informative and funny knowing GS and company.

@bukhariali71

2 жыл бұрын

That will be great. Good suggestion

@troyverburg9600

2 жыл бұрын

2nd that, like 1-2 minutes at the end of the video

@locki13

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely like the idea of seeing or hearing the fights from both perspectives. Hear strategies etc. Either between rounds or at the end.

The Harrier can actually be surprisingly competent in a dogfight when its paired with its fox 2's. I've surprised a lot of people with it

@AnimalMother207

2 жыл бұрын

Its less about the bow and more about the arrows

@meatballg8655

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimalMother207 fair enough, though in general comparing the harriers to an f-16 is like comparing a windlass to a goat's foot. they're made for different purposes and at different times to defeat different problems

@bradsoup6362

2 жыл бұрын

Its definitely competent against the mirage as shown by Argentina

@meatballg8655

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradsoup6362 yeah but the mirage the angentines we’re flying is as old to the harrier as he harrier is to the f-16, it’s pretty much expected that the harrier is gonna do well

@tomgoffnett5624

2 жыл бұрын

With this sale going on I wanted to get the Harrier but I don't have the F-16 yet either. Which of the two do you believe is a better module? I want immersion more than anything. Thank you for your time.

My two favorite planes? In one video?? Dogfighting each other??? Today is indeed a good day. Also I don’t think people give you enough props for just how calm you stay in your fights, I know in my head that you gotta be working like crazy to make these planes do things they probably shouldn’t be able to do, but even when there’s an f-16 barreling down at you literally with it’s guns blazing, you sound like its just a normal Tuesday flight with nothing going on, it’s incredibly impressive.

@beatboxbuggi6884

2 жыл бұрын

I get that feeling from the first bit. I love it when he does things like that. Sometimes I wake up thinking, I wonder if he has this particular dogfight, and then later that day he posts it and I’m like 🤷‍♂️😆

@deetwodcs4683

2 жыл бұрын

@@beatboxbuggi6884 Or I start learning an aircraft and he posts a video with the damn thing

F-35 strike package vs. MiG-29s Please! Takes place in mountainous terrain, with the F-35s at cruise altitude, and the MiGs coming in through a valley, with radar off. Everything starts as soon as the F-35s notice them, which should be very close. The MiGs are of course trying to get as close as possible before switching radars on and engaging. Simulating the reds having a tactical intel advantage.

Playing with your nozzle while flying is discouraged... unless you're a marine.

@dsdy1205

2 жыл бұрын

Or a Raptor

The Harrier is an interesting concept that if redesigned and modernized into a new airframe perhaps could be a great dogfighter.

@KomradeDoge

2 жыл бұрын

There was a model of the Harrier that was fitted with the same radar as the F/A-18 and armed with AMRAAMS.

@VisibilityFoggy

2 жыл бұрын

Almost happened. Would have been called the Harrier III. The program technically lasted into the early 2000s, but by then the US and UK were pretty much co-developing the F-35B.

@AntilleanConfederation

2 жыл бұрын

@@VisibilityFoggy I don’t trust the UK government. The United States shouldn’t be making any weapons tech development with any foreign government. Even with so called Allie’s.

@thesupreme8062

Жыл бұрын

Dogfighting designed aircraft aren't viable anymore sadly

@UdemmyUdemmy

6 ай бұрын

why?@@thesupreme8062

More BVR with the MiG 31, you don't know how much you are extending my lifespan

@aviationist1018

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he should try to experiment with tactics to defeat it, and multiple ones

@cvillalobos27

2 жыл бұрын

Longer than the range of those hypersonic missiles?

@jimlthor

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe VIFFing?

@aviationist1018

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimlthor whats that?

@mackslubnyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@aviationist1018 “vectoring in forward flight”

The harriers coolant is deminaralised water and its gravity fed, she hates going inverted so master caution was possibly that

@GrowlingSidewinder

2 жыл бұрын

Good to know, learn something new everyday

@stevemc6010

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy that they knew to simulate that too, amazing.

That giant red arrow pointing at the little scorch mark on the Viper's engine was amusingly passive-aggressive lolololol.

After watching the Hazard Lee video the other day the average pilot would be seriously hard pressed to survive five minutes of dog fighting. After two to three minutes of high G maneuvers that dudes heart rate was like he was sprinting. Those real life fighter pilots are some real deal athletes. No question about it

@thesupreme8062

Жыл бұрын

Fighter pilots are no doubt some of the best athletes in the world, the sheer amount of pressure both mentally and physically is u matches by anything

From what remember from reading "Sharky" Ward's book, the 801 sqd would fight the Sea Harrier with the nozzles only slightly set, not more than 30 degrees, but that was the "fighting configuration". The other thing was the FRS1 had slightly better low speed handling than the GR1/GR3

Great fight, makes me wonder what could have been the Harrier had it been improved.

@realMaverickBuckley

2 жыл бұрын

They (especially its Country of birth) dropped it way too quick. Even the F35B can't do what Harrier, especially the last of the line Sea Harrier could do. Hence why they changed the VTOL label to Stovl. Whole point of Harrier is that if your runways het bombed, you can still take off.. they've lost that with Lightning II

@ToniJoD

2 жыл бұрын

@@realMaverickBuckley Bravo only needs a few hundred feet, you leave even a small gap in a taxiway or a runway and they can still get up. It's why they're able to make use of the Lightning Carrier concept they've been testing.

@stinkyfungus

2 жыл бұрын

Sea harrier, and AV8B pretty much brought the design to the end of its rope. Harrier's limitations weren't avionics - it was physics. Only so much could be done with the form factor the pegasus engine and nozzle system required. And without afterburners and an area ruled fuselage - she'd never be able to really compete in a fight with aircraft like the SU27 or Mig 29. As we saw here - she could make a pretty good accounting of herself - but she just doesn't have the chuff to be a true "multi role" fighter. Even today - she is still a pretty potent attack aircraft, but a fighter -she is not. Sure, you could hang Aim9x on her and cobble togeather a HMD system for her... and make her REALLY nasty in a merge... but she'd still be Fox3 bait.

@pretentiousarrogance3614

2 жыл бұрын

hmm maybe look at the boeing x 32 the one that competed with the x 35 which became the f 35.

@ToniJoD

2 жыл бұрын

@@pretentiousarrogance3614 X32 struggled to accomplish the same vertical landing capabilities, while being in higher density air, and with part of the fuselage removed. The X35 took off, went supersonic, and achieved the vertical landing in thinner air. Boeings final pitch for the contract was different than what they had prototyped, whereas Lockheed was selling what they had proved was better already. 32 never had a chance.

So technically the Harrier can pull a Corba somewhat

I just happened to watch a documentary about the Harrier last night and you show up with a video today! Much love GS

In this (and several other videos) I would urge a change of tactics - when he STARTS to pull away in the deck rate fight immediately turn the opposite way to create a one circle. While he is still at your one or two o'clock. Just waiting for him to outrate you and hoping you can VIFF is so passive. It's not just in the Harrier, it's in so many planes. You just wait to be outrated instead of turning hard the opposite way. And especially in the Mirage vs F-16, if he's rating right, pull hard left and give him something to worry about.

@Zman2598

2 жыл бұрын

I was really wondering why he didn’t do that here. He had plenty of time to play with before the F-16 got a significant advantage in the rate fight each time. I’ve seen him talk about counter 2-circle tactics before but haven’t seen him use them

@ianboys1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zman2598 It's in so many videos and I don't get it. Needs more aggression on the deck.

@januslast2003

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing that turning the opposite way will not work. Reversing the turn loses energy. The F-16, with more energy, will come around the 1 circle faster and take a high-aspect shot. I think there's no escape from a plane that rates faster, when you're on the deck.

@ianboys1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@januslast2003 Both the Harrier and Mirage can make a smaller radius turn and in any case a high aspect shot is a better bet for you than waiting for a tracking shot from your six.

@ianboys1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@brainandforce No because they are in front of you at your 1 or 2. Turning the other way presents no ooprtunity for a reat aspect Fox 2, unlike waiting for him to come around the circle behind you.

What a fight!! AV8B is my childhood favorite. This video really made my day

Nice work man just got the F16, because of your and Operator Drewskis Videos, today :)

As someone who worked on these, awesome vid

@hillbillysceptic1982

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh Rah!

I would've loved to see a tacview of any of those fights. What an awesome fight !

this was a joy to watch, impressive flying! And great 3rd persons too those merging shots were very cool!

Thanks for the awesome uploads, love you work man

The chime the harrier has for being spiked with the enemy's cannon radar gunsight is far more pleasant to listen to than other jets.

Dude, you _had_ that! That was so close!

I was actually rooting for the harrier once he got gun hit on the F-16.

Really like the engagements that show what should be a superior aircraft going against a less capable one. It really illustrates how much is in the hands of the pilot themselves. ;)

I completely forgot about VIFF; I learned about it during my thousands of hours playing Aero Elite on PS2 back in the day. Fantastic video, as always.

Hats off! Both to GS and the Harrier. I did not expect such a fight. Congrats, GS. You keep surprising us!

Here's an idea: do that fight again but with fox 2's and I think the harrier might do surprisingly well...

I appreciate all your vids and instructions man. Thank you!

If you are playing with rules about extending imo you should've used them when he was constantly extending into the vertical running away.

@GM-fh5jp

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

GS: *does viffing* Shotgun: Here he goes with his thrust vectoring bullshit again...

"I think he's still in this fight" *tracer rounds fly right past the canopy*

Awesome fight my dude!! When are we getting a multi-player multi-ship bandit unknown? Looking forward to that!! Keep em coming!!

I like when you fly the airplanes, its my favorite part

Good fun to watch. Tbh that first one you got shafted by the damagemodel, that F-16 engine would surely been done for IRL with that damage extend.

I have to give props to the Bird from my home State of Iowa. Normally I root for you GS but couldn't do it this time. As always, great flying by you.

Kudos to the british pilots. They had to fight through all that nagging from the woman inside the Harrier

Would be nice to see another F-4 / Mirage vs Harrier fight in the new map. For historical purposes

Great fight!

This makes me wonder what the F35's VTOL ability would be like in these situations.

@Killerpixel11

2 жыл бұрын

Unsuited for this, I'd say. The Harrier's movable nozzles are it's entire thrust, so they can shift and rotate at any time, with no problem and no interference. The F35 has that huge lift fan that has to open first and spin up. I doubt it can even be opened above a certain airspeed, you're liable to tear that cover off.

@osakanone

2 жыл бұрын

@@Killerpixel11 Yeah, I was thinking this too. Shame. A fictional vehicle with the complexity of DCS which flies like this would be pretty fun.

@danielchoritz1903

Жыл бұрын

@@osakanone you mean the "airwolf" from the tv series?

Outstanding fight! Would love to see this fight again with fox 2's!

Thanks to shotgun for coming out to thump on our man GS!

GS, speaking about Harriers, are you able to show the F-35B in a dog fight? I would love to see that one!

@hphp31416

2 жыл бұрын

f35b can't use vtol fan in fight so it't bassicaly f35a but heavier

@patrickdavis8271

2 жыл бұрын

@@hphp31416 Thank you. I didn’t know that. 👍😉

I love those 3rd person slow motion shots.

I love the acknowledgement that you guys know how this is going to end, my job is just to prolong the inevitable.

4:43 you were going so slow the jet thought you were trying to land 😅

3:55 looked liked something out of the Matrix. That was crazy you were nearly smoked.

Hey GS, I think an interesting idea for a video would be an F-16 vs A-4 dogfight, a "what if" of an engagement between the chilean and argentinian air forces

I am at the beach. And there is a Naval Air Station not too far fro me. Yesterday, 4 USMC AV-8 Harriers flew over the house

Gotta use combat thrust and bite with the nozzles in turns to decrease turn radius (pull the stick, put a bit of nozzles, then release and put nozzles aft, rinse and repeat). Heavy viffing like you do is bleeding energy that is not that easily reacquired, I would advise fighting a bit more in a conventional way and trapping the viper into doing high aspect shots and then going into rolling scissors. After a few boom and zooming failed passes most pilots become impatients and do mistakes that you can exploit. Still, Dogfighting alone in the harrier is hard. Doing ACM with a buddy and coordinating with him can be very fun and quite effective though. Anyway, looks like you had a lot of fun :)

I wonder if, during the second fight, had GS set his engine control to CMBT (little green button partly covered by H2O injection switch) he might have been able to squeak the nose over just a bit more and land those hits.

Hey @GrowlingSidewinder glad to see that you posted again! I was wondering if you could teach me how to fly the good ole F14. It would be much appreciated if you could do it!

Get down low, VIFF to force the overshoot. It was known and trained but wasn't actually used in the falklands conflicts air to air engagements - most of which were pretty cut and dried. Similarly although the FAA Sea Harriers were equiped with AIM9Ls (taken and replaced/stolen from NATO stocks) none of the shots were outside of the AIM9J's parameters. Lucky viper in the first fight! Second one you were very optimistic viffing to standstill from that far infront of him, still nearly got him early on, great video.

@carlfromtheoc1788

2 жыл бұрын

I think the Argies were also at nearly the sortie limits for their fighters in that they could not loiter over the target area or spend much time dogfighting, where as the British Harriers did not have that restriction. That and the Brits were likely better trained than the Argies.

Close fight! 🙌

You're a good sport and a tough customer, GS.

Regarding the gun not firing when nozzles are down, the only reason I can think of this happening is because the gun is not getting enough air pressure to spin it since the engine RCS butterfly valve is open and the RCS pitch/roll/yaw valves are bleeding due to the maneuvering. The engine RCS butterfly valve is fully open when the nozzles are at or past 30 degrees. But there is no system setting that stops the gun fining if the nozzles are lowered.

@auqanova

2 жыл бұрын

im pretty sure the harrier just has a safety feature that turns off all weapons in vtol, because you cant missile or a2g in vtol either.

@windowsxseven

Жыл бұрын

@@auqanova I'm pretty sure both y'all don't know Jack what you're talking about

Not a fight I'd want to have! :) Thanks guys!

Maybe your new callsign should be 'Last Ditch'

“I’ll hit the nozzles and he’ll fly right by”

The harrier has a large amount if air to air kills uprisings for an outdated ground attack bomber

@adamw2911

2 жыл бұрын

The Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers were the dark horse in the NATO inventory. The MK2 version was actually very capable as an air to air platform. During exercises, they claimed a number of high profile kills.

Some incredible work with the Harrier right there! Now im curious if a Harrier crossed paiths with either an A-10 or MB-339...

Is anyone else impressed that the Harrier even flies? It's the airplane equivalent of a bumble bee...

@Utubesuperstar

2 жыл бұрын

I’d say hummingbird nimble darty short range

@JohnSmith-yc6uv

Жыл бұрын

Hard to believe that myth about bumblebees not being able to fly is still going on

I would love to see some dogfights with a crusader or the later version Corsair...they called them the last gunfighters!...but they weren’t of course..

Lol the thrust vectoring Harrier.

"Very tight, very spicy 😏" - Growling Sidewinder 2022

@948320z

2 жыл бұрын

Like a redhead!

I went into this expected the harrier to be a turkey shoot. Impressive fighting sir.

Harrier content never disappoints!!!

“Is he dead?” Immediately made me think of “Hunter is he down??? Is he down?!?”

Ambulance sirens right from the start, lmao.

How about a F-35 vs Mig-31 bvr battle?

A Harrier with a AIM-9Xs and HMD would be a god amongst mortals, for at least four missiles, lol.

Great guess: you gotta keep fighting him

and I thought Harrier had no chance.....

Harrier sound like an ambulance 🚑 real fast 😂

Sopwith camel vs f22 This is like my 4th time asking now

@FlatDrifting265

2 жыл бұрын

The camel is not in dcs

@dartharbiter2334

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlatDrifting265 growling sidewinder has literally done a video in one

Is that curvy tubing reinforcement in the canopy?!

Nice video

Maybe you’ve covered this but have you ever considered becoming a fighter pilot? You seem like you’d be amazing at it.

should do more harrier fights and more tomcat fights

I would like to see a Dogfight with A2G planes no guns only air2G weapons

@9:17 It looks like multiple rounds went right into engine...you got robbed son

What is the piece that you use at the end of the video in the outro?

Harrier's special feature is Lawndart Mode.

Sioux City 16. Do you get to pick the tail flash or is that default

It's the first time I saw him using airbrake in F16 during dogfigtht

What is your vr helmet that you use? I am looking into getting into dcs

Can you do a video on the difference between 1 circle and 2 circle fights. I hear you mentioning it but it makes no sense to me lol.

I've always wondered why the lines on the Harriet's canopy are so squiggly 😂🙈

@stevemc6010

2 жыл бұрын

Explosives to blow the canopy during ejection. Some other jets have them too.

of course they never did. Far from home with few replaceable parts to spare, vectoring was the risky proposition and unlike the Harrier II from US Marine. British Sea Harrier , vectoring the nozzle are only for take off and landing procedure ( you know British before ) they want their equipment come out and return in one piece like a fancy way. Unlike now they can always say "Don't worry about it" even though they lost some F-35 on their Carrier during Military Joint Exercise

Congrats for your brave resistance even if on a simulator.

Gotta play with the nozzles.

How about the Mirrage/Skyhawk vs Harrier. With the South American map coming out may be fun. ;)

This one was really cool wonder how the warthog would do?

6:45 one might even say... a _harrying_ harrier

Here’s you aggressive cautioning for the KZread algorithm

Harrier...thrust vectoring before vectoring was cool. Damn right.

Just got in from watching Top Gun Maverick to this. 😍

Hey what plane should i get to get into dcs

Whaaat?? The Harrier can’t use its cannon when the nozzles are down? I can’t believe there was some falsities in the True Lies movie! 😏