AutoCAD 3D Basics Tutorial 3 - UCS Control - Exercise 1

This video talks you through creating a simple model of a spaceship cockpit - the purpose is to introduce placing the UCS axes to align your work plane with faces of your model. It also shows how shelling and slicing can be done.

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  • @Parken26
    @Parken265 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for taking the time to narrate this rather than looping an abnoxious bunch of sounds which a lot of these kind of videos have. Looking forward to watching the rest og the video.

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mon plaisir. Hope it helps.

  • @ushiokofune7426
    @ushiokofune7426 Жыл бұрын

    Been watcNice tutorialng your vids for a good few weeks now, learning new sNice tutorialt each day. my worksoftow has improved so much since watcNice tutorialng

  • @angelroha3252
    @angelroha3252 Жыл бұрын

    TNice tutorials is going in my helpful tutorials playlist.

  • @shivsunder1800
    @shivsunder1800 Жыл бұрын

    You are amazing, I just switch to soft softs and I am loving everytNice tutorialng about it. It much easier then my last program.

  • @Sunny-sw2ts
    @Sunny-sw2ts8 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Thank you, for your pricise and accurate teaching. Doing Autocad for hobby. I am retired and enjoy the "miracle" of Autocad. My very first experince with Autocad was back in the 80s when Autocad was distributed in 1/2 dozen floppies, and we used to save our "master creations" on 90 minutes cassetes. Am I too old?, Never too old to learn though, just think all that experience that I have gained over the past 45 years, just sorry for all those draftsmen that buried their heads in the sand thinking and 'hoping' that CAD will never take off, like my brother!. -:(

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    8 жыл бұрын

    Hi Z ... my experience foes back to just 1989 ... we could save to floppy disks at least. It's all changing again I'm afraid - the BIM revolution is sweeping the world. Drafting skills whether CAD or manual are under threat. Best regards.

  • @mariafajardo5495
    @mariafajardo5495 Жыл бұрын

    Like 2 minutes in and you've solved the issues I was having. I didn't realize that box for showing what was going on was there, I didn't

  • @senorgringolingo
    @senorgringolingo10 жыл бұрын

    This is the best explanation of the UCS command and its use that I have found. Thank you for clarifying it!

  • @bigfilsing
    @bigfilsing5 жыл бұрын

    5+ years on and still a great tutorial

  • @keithwalters9812
    @keithwalters98123 жыл бұрын

    Wow! an excellent video, very clear and precise in what its trying to show you! Thank you

  • @PhilBailey
    @PhilBailey11 жыл бұрын

    Very well explained Sir. Thank you. I've never used this is all my time in CAD, but I think i'm seeing great uses for this. Work smarter not harder. Thanks.

  • @AlexNavarro1
    @AlexNavarro1 Жыл бұрын

    bro thanks so much, you actually made soft soft easy to understand

  • @user-vb6qb2mm2q
    @user-vb6qb2mm2q6 ай бұрын

    your videos are very helpful, thanks for your effort.

  • @brobvision
    @brobvision10 жыл бұрын

    Cheers. That was really informative.

  • @engrabid88
    @engrabid8811 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for the quick reply.. I really appreciate your hard work. Wish we have allot of such useful videos from you. Thanks

  • @MrBond-rq3om
    @MrBond-rq3om Жыл бұрын

    wow thank you so much. no joke it is now so much easier and u explained it really good.

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the feedback, glad it has helped you. That video is really old now but it's still relevant. The software has changed very little over all these years. All the best. Rich

  • @HadzirLP
    @HadzirLP11 жыл бұрын

    Your videos help me so much in school! Thanks!

  • @anabojado1069
    @anabojado10696 жыл бұрын

    Excellent tutorial, thank you so much !!

  • @thepimp
    @thepimp10 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for this great tutorial.

  • @ediederry4897
    @ediederry48977 жыл бұрын

    Great tutorial!!

  • @luisgonzalochumacero6152
    @luisgonzalochumacero615211 жыл бұрын

    Perfect, really good!!

  • @morit037
    @morit03710 жыл бұрын

    Well done sir...your methodology of explaining how is it done is easier to understand than seasoned professors. Thanks, I learned a lot of things on this single video...

  • @mikaelwaltner6976
    @mikaelwaltner69763 жыл бұрын

    Watched this in 2021 and its still very usefull

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    Good Phil, the UCS is just as useful in 2D as it is in 3D - like if you have two objects at different angles to each other but you want to work parrallel/perpendicular to each one. Align the UCs with any line on the object UCS (return) OB (for object) (return) then pick a line. You can save UCS'es if you are gonna use them again - UCS (return) S (return) and type in a name. DDUCS for a dialogue box showing all your UCS'es you have created. Regards

  • @csmendez51
    @csmendez5110 жыл бұрын

    Very Cool dude, Thanks

  • @ranjeetshivaji1727
    @ranjeetshivaji1727 Жыл бұрын

    no sNice tutorialt. Always watched soft-soft beginner guides and understood notNice tutorialng. But now I am feeling the first ti like I can start making

  • @EmptyHand_0
    @EmptyHand_09 жыл бұрын

    issue solved, brilliant, thanks.

  • @yousifalqallaf8095
    @yousifalqallaf80957 жыл бұрын

    Amazing work dude .. Thanks

  • @Dogaradodia
    @Dogaradodia7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your tutorial. I've learned a lot. I followed the tutorial step by step and saved a final drawing of the spaceship cockpit. Could you help me with this one? I'm using AutoCAD 2015. At 17:14 I couldn't make two parallel PLs. I have problem with the UCS. X, Y and Z have different directions.

  • @PhilBailey
    @PhilBailey11 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate your fast response. I will surly be trying out these new functions next design session. Im doing tons of surface modeling now so I think will help me cut, and slice along these weird angles. Do you have any suggestions of how to cut holes in curves surfaces with more precision? I usually extrude from top, the length, then have two slicing planes or surfaces for the thickness desired. Then I will make the shape a block encase I want to reuse, but sl for the void in it's place.

  • @SpydersByte
    @SpydersByte4 жыл бұрын

    excellent tutorial! I just came from a video that would have you think the best way to draw in different ucs's was to always draw on the default plane and then use 3d rotate to align it on the correct plane >.< I knew there was a better way, that was just ridiculous. I was able to put this into practice immediately and was able to follow your progress throughout, thanks for putting this out there!

  • @SpydersByte

    @SpydersByte

    4 жыл бұрын

    I've linked your video in the comments section under that one so people can learn the right way :D

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie10 жыл бұрын

    Very kind - thank you sir!

  • @soonny002
    @soonny00211 жыл бұрын

    Amazing... Thanks for the help emmockladdie. Can I ask, what is the difference btw using the "presspull" function and "extrude" ?

  • @TheThepanther123
    @TheThepanther12310 жыл бұрын

    Thanks that works perfect

  • @gladiatorsemsem
    @gladiatorsemsem10 жыл бұрын

    this is the best video in 3d basics.....great work thank you

  • @user-bf4hs6nr1z

    @user-bf4hs6nr1z

    8 жыл бұрын

    +islam osama cannot agree anymore

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    8 жыл бұрын

    xie xie - leyu bangzhu

  • @DuhokyBoy23
    @DuhokyBoy2311 жыл бұрын

    THANKS YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

  • @billonis
    @billonis10 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man,you actually saved my ass with this tutorial!

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Pleased to hear it was of use to you Vasilis - best regards.

  • @knightkast1
    @knightkast19 жыл бұрын

    I hope this makes sense. I have a question in regards to the slicing command. I don't understand why the slice tool didn't just slice everything all the way through the slope side? How did it know to 1. Not cut out I giant hole including your window. 2. How did it know to do a parallel cut with the ucs titled slope?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    9 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Slice just chops off everything in the opposite direction of your third pick. Picks 1 and 2 define the plane and the third pick is identifying any point above or below the slice plane. If third pick is above - everything below gets chopped away, and vice-versa. Hope that makes some sense too.

  • @TheMillionairesMentalist
    @TheMillionairesMentalist8 жыл бұрын

    Is there any software for venue builders that integrate with products? In particular I'm trying to build a event space/magic theater. I'd like to have the ability for vendors (examples seats, toilets) to upload their products so they can be dragged and dropped onto existing projects like this. More of WSIWYG for venues and event spaces...

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    Well done - I'll remember that one! The error messages really don't give any clues do they? I sometimes have to redraw shapes a few times until it is happy to do some operations ... no logic or so it seems.

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    Hiya. extrude allows you to follow paths which means you can skew shapes. Where I can I use press-pull to lengthen or shorten objects. I confess I use extrude more because it has been in the software far longer than press-pull. Press pull came along once they saw how popular SketchUp became. Whichever way you get the end shape is fine.

  • @nikkwong
    @nikkwong8 жыл бұрын

    you are the man

  • @nwakolpo
    @nwakolpo10 жыл бұрын

    Hi there . Thank you very much for this tutorial . May I ask is there a way to make a render with annotations appearing in it ?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Hi nwa - it's done using the shadeplot setting which you get at by typing in MVIEW then S - here's one of my vids that shows you how: AutoCAD Workshop Manual Style Diagram Tutorial

  • @aslleben
    @aslleben Жыл бұрын

    creating a second track to add into the recording as I play through the first tract?

  • @wbrg89
    @wbrg897 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @wathsalaliyanarachchi987
    @wathsalaliyanarachchi9876 жыл бұрын

    THANKS A MILLION

  • @MarinusvdMeulen
    @MarinusvdMeulen9 жыл бұрын

    dat F6 button helped me out big time

  • @AshleyLowis
    @AshleyLowis10 жыл бұрын

    wow this was super helpful, thank you so much...I have a test on 3D today in two hours and needed this review so hopefully I do well ;~;

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Good luck with the test and thanks for the feedback

  • @sarahhajian6432
    @sarahhajian64329 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much that was so helpful

  • @hareshpatel4078

    @hareshpatel4078

    6 жыл бұрын

    hy saraah

  • @firaalimedetova9716
    @firaalimedetova97167 жыл бұрын

    thank you)

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment. There's an English rock band called Spyder Byte ... You don't happen to be a member do you?

  • @Dybala-jv7pg
    @Dybala-jv7pg Жыл бұрын

    how do you stop the soft from chaning when you pick a guitar soft or so, it softs different when i test it out on the side and different

  • @westgaming1403
    @westgaming1403 Жыл бұрын

    it to multi-track record. I would play with an effect or two on my recordings, but I never touched the soft role or the step sequencer.

  • @natekerx85
    @natekerx859 жыл бұрын

    Great tutorials! I'm having an issue trimming the magenta line with the two window polylines. I'm in the correct UCS, any ideas?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    9 жыл бұрын

    Hi Nathan. try exploding the polylines, just X to get the command - sometimes polylines doggedly refuse to play ball. Be careful not to explode any of the solids you have already made ... just the polylines.

  • @natekerx85

    @natekerx85

    9 жыл бұрын

    emmockladdie Hmm the 7th or 8th explode did the trick, thanks!

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    9 жыл бұрын

    Nathan Kerxhalli The latest version of AutoCAD is pretty annoying when it comes to working in 3D - the UCSFOLLOW setting is really difficult to disable. It's supposed to help you but ... it doesn't.

  • @sukusukuthan
    @sukusukuthan11 жыл бұрын

    nice work sir

  • @TheThepanther123
    @TheThepanther12310 жыл бұрын

    Which version of AutoCAD are u using as my command box is floating and put it anywhere.

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    Hi Nam. I don't thik there is a shortcut for UCS - because you can set it to ANY face/angle you have an infinite number of UCS's and therefore there would not be enough shortcut combos. You can save a UCS. UCS ret. S ret. . Use DDUCS to get see a list of the UCS'es. UCS ret. R ret. and then the name of the UCs you saved ret. will bring it back. Use very short 1 letter or 1 number names. The co-ordinates section on the 3D modelling ribbon shows a drop down list of your UCs's.

  • @raulferreira8396
    @raulferreira8396 Жыл бұрын

    you! SO MUCH THX!

  • @scottburton9429
    @scottburton942911 жыл бұрын

    Very much enjoying the videos - I do have a question regarding the shell operation, however. I've followed along and seem to get an endless loop when trying to make an inside shell for the cockpit - it just gives me "modeling operation error: Change in topology detected", and goes on to ask me to enter a body editing operation. I've now tried this with many different extruded shapes and it's always the same. Has this ever happened to you? Thanks in advance

  • @AntoniRams
    @AntoniRams5 жыл бұрын

    best video I've see on 3d ucs control. Something for creatinf architectura modeling? Thanks a lot

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi Antoni - thanks for the comment - I appreciate that. Here' a few more videos that show UCS getting used: kzread.info/head/PLAMmpX5Wbt5GE45CollMhr6-s4x7YduqH kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJ6omZZ_ibqpprA.html

  • @deefz1
    @deefz111 жыл бұрын

    hello OP, I am a heavy hotkey user when it comes to autocad/cadworx software's. I dont use the ribbon functionality when it comes to either software. My question for you is, do you know if there is a quick switch for UCS directions? For example, in one of the software's that i use, if i were to hit CTRL+E, it changes the UCS direction without me having to actually click on the toolbar. Does this function work on ACAD as well? if so, what is the hotkey to do it. Thanks in advance.

  • @Hasan10034
    @Hasan100344 жыл бұрын

    I try to extrude the triangle but it goes up instead of to the left or right as yours does 😔 I’m using the 2020 cad and also on a Mac .. not sure if it makes any difference.. plus I’m new at this lol

  • @CE-ly4gf
    @CE-ly4gf Жыл бұрын

    The best but I need more ti to make 100% best soft hehehehe thanks for the video bro.

  • @engrabid88
    @engrabid8811 жыл бұрын

    Can you please tell me, The last command of Mesh (Smooth Mesh) is also there in Autocad 2007 or its only in the 2013. If it is then where can i find it coz i searched allot.. :(

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes AutoCAD gets itself screwed up - it says it's in a certain named UCS but it might not be. Switch to a different one altogether, come back to the one you want (in your case the 'right' one) and try again. That's all I think it could be that's thwarting you.

  • @sunnychien7178
    @sunnychien717810 жыл бұрын

    When u trimmed in 3d, how does autocad determine which direction ur boundary lines are projected to trim the line(to be trimmed)? Does it depend on ur ucs?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Yes Sunny - if you imagine looking in the plan view in the UCS you are in - then you would see the lines overlapping or touching and they can then trim. Sometimes polylines misbehave and need exploded before they trim properly.

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Sunny Chien Hiya - I don't know but if you have the xrefs in the same folder as the drawing it always loads them ... that might be a way of starting it.

  • @juliandu
    @juliandu8 жыл бұрын

    First of all thanks for the vids they are great. I have one questions though. In previous videos you mentioned that polylines only ever go flat, not up. But in this vid you make a triangle with the polyline, I have tried it but it does not work. What am I missing?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    8 жыл бұрын

    Hi Julian - The UCS has been tipped up first ... it's the Z co-ordinate for the polyline that won't vary from the place that it is started at. Look at which way the Z axis is pointing when the triangle is drawn. Difficult to put in to words. Hope that explains it.

  • @juliandu

    @juliandu

    8 жыл бұрын

    Hi there, Thanks very much, I tried it out and it works. I dont know how I missed it, anw great videos I will keep watching!

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie10 жыл бұрын

    2013. You can 'park' the command prompt.There's a strip of 10 dots on the left side - pick and hold that then move it up and then down to the bottom of the screen, when it's close to the bottom it will jump outwards, let go at that point and it will look like it does in my vid. I don't like the floating one - it's distracting. Give yourself at least 4lines of prompt area so you can see system responses. F2 shows you the whole command prompt in a page format if you need to 'look back'. Regards

  • @ahmedmho
    @ahmedmho Жыл бұрын

    wanting to do my own ambient soft and am having an issue finding a soft witNice tutorialn the program wNice tutorialch works for the MAIN soft I'm

  • @visamishra4009
    @visamishra400911 ай бұрын

    Nice explan

  • @adolfocarrillo248
    @adolfocarrillo2488 жыл бұрын

    Hey there, where is the 3Dface command in AutoCAD 2014, I can use it by typing in the command line , but I can´t find it in the ribbon. Where is the command in the ribbon?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    8 жыл бұрын

    Hi Adolfo - It's not available on the ribbons - it's used in creating 'legacy' meshes (old school) which are fine for most visualising work but if it's a situation that needs specific 'objects' like nurbs curves then these type of faces might be overlooked or not translate. never ran in to any problems myself using them but there may be software/translation situations that might not recognise them.

  • @antoparjiyo2785
    @antoparjiyo2785 Жыл бұрын

    I watched tNice tutorials video and now I'm doing quarantine vids with Richard D. Jas and doing a lot of cocaine.

  • @emmockladdie
    @emmockladdie11 жыл бұрын

    No Abid - those clever mesh tools only appeared in release 2011 I think. Good for product design people.

  • @jinglebell9107
    @jinglebell91074 жыл бұрын

    I love this tutorial, Just 1 comment, The way the model look seems like a not perfect perspective view. How can you make it more like perspective view?

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hiya - thanks for the thumbs up. If you look at the right edge of the screen you'll find the orbit command - generally this is set to be like an axonometric/isometric type view - they call this Parallel Projection because anything that's vertical stays parallel - makes it easy to see if things line up. If you right click anywhere on screen you get options for the orbit command and you should see 'Perspective Projection' available. It's not very dramatic ... to get it more dramatic zoom away from your object first while in 'Parrallel Projection' and then switch to perspective and zoom back in. You only get this perspective option when you use orbit from the Navbar on right hand side BTW.

  • @jinglebell9107

    @jinglebell9107

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@emmockladdie thank you, thank you, thank you ! . I will try your advice.

  • @w.er.santoshthakur9207
    @w.er.santoshthakur92078 жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @TheAkinaspeedstar
    @TheAkinaspeedstar11 жыл бұрын

    the osnap is not working when i'm in the right view of the ucs, it's only working in the first point you select but if you select the second point is not working , please help

  • @alyaqatrunnada8382
    @alyaqatrunnada83822 жыл бұрын

    My GMS (app) softs different. Why?

  • @scottburton9429
    @scottburton942911 жыл бұрын

    Must just be a bug...? - figured out that moving the object to 0,0 fixes it right up.

  • @santiagojaviergarciamanso491
    @santiagojaviergarciamanso4917 жыл бұрын

    18.11 I am not able to trim the magenta line with the others white lines as a reference

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    7 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes trimming problems are to do with the line being a polyline ... try exploding both lines first just to make sure neither is a polyline.

  • @danielhenry1676

    @danielhenry1676

    6 жыл бұрын

    in autocad 2017 I cannot trim the line using the polylines as cutting edges because they do not intersect

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    6 жыл бұрын

    Have you got the UCS in the vertical alignment? If you do and you still can't trim then I advise exploding (X) the polylines before trying to trim them - sometimes they can 'misbehave'. Lines do not have to touch/intersect each other before you can trim them - there can be clear space between them - as long as the UCS is in the correct alignment you should be able to trim a line that is above or below the cutter.

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    6 жыл бұрын

    Have you got the UCS in the vertical alignment? If you do and you still can't trim then I advise exploding (X) the polylines before trying to trim them - sometimes they can 'misbehave'. Lines do not have to touch/intersect each other before you can trim them - there can be clear space between them - as long as the UCS is in the correct alignment you should be able to trim a line that is above or below the cutter.

  • @danielhenry1676
    @danielhenry16766 жыл бұрын

    I cannot get my shell command to work

  • @marcusfisher2762
    @marcusfisher276210 жыл бұрын

    im having a UCS issue. when im trying to draw the lines to create the side windows from the slanted rectangle. i cant select the corner, and when i do it keeps switching to the UCS that we configured to draw the recantgle. help please, otherwise this has been very useful

  • @emmockladdie

    @emmockladdie

    10 жыл бұрын

    Hi Marcus - it's because you have one of the 'helper tools' active - very bottom of your AutoCAD display ... 9th 'helper' along - 'Allow/Disallow Dynamic UCS' - switch that off and things should behave then. Pressing F6 does the same. I usually only use Ortho and Object Snaps and leave the rest switched off.

  • @marcusfisher2762

    @marcusfisher2762

    10 жыл бұрын

    emmockladdie hi that worked thanks a lot

  • @power222000can

    @power222000can

    9 жыл бұрын

    emmockladdie Thank you so much!

  • @romascr7370
    @romascr737010 жыл бұрын

    Wery wel mister, good men

  • @belicafor
    @belicafor Жыл бұрын

    ok I’ll try that lol

  • @Paltheus
    @Paltheus5 жыл бұрын

    you could have used two diagonals to get the small rectangle in the center of the big rectangle in one move... you went all around the houses and used about 5 commands two many... I don't mean to be a spoilsport but I'm just saying that in a larger project it would be better to save all that time...

  • @buntycentfficial3758
    @buntycentfficial3758 Жыл бұрын

    Eric Bridge do you know it’s na? Pure curiosity lmao

  • @mdanowarhassan2909
    @mdanowarhassan2909 Жыл бұрын

    Unstoppable today, I'm unstoppable today ¬sia

  • @samyyousef6566
    @samyyousef65667 жыл бұрын

    looks like the outer skin of a traditional computer mouse

  • @ishankumar9495
    @ishankumar9495 Жыл бұрын

    soft?

  • @adolfocarrillo248
    @adolfocarrillo2488 жыл бұрын

    Hey man, that lines from the first window were as gonorrhea in my dick, till I realice that I had my Dinamic USC ON, well but I have to say thanks because I learnt the use of Dinamic USC.

  • @MM-ye7og
    @MM-ye7og Жыл бұрын

    (Lo-Fi, Trapsoul, CNice tutorialllstep, Trip Hop, Rap, Trap, Nice tutorialp Hop)

  • @d4v0s52
    @d4v0s52 Жыл бұрын

    Well We are making it in a few years ti

  • @TheMercadian
    @TheMercadian11 жыл бұрын

    Is that me or is there a delay between the image and the sound? It's a little disturbing ^^

  • @lunar8191
    @lunar8191 Жыл бұрын

    I am too sober for tNice tutorials, I'll be back later..

  • @gensy8304
    @gensy83042 жыл бұрын

    dude pop ouht the beginning like he on heavy acid

  • @adolfocarrillo248
    @adolfocarrillo2488 жыл бұрын

    Great hint in min 20:29.

  • @khandokarahad8239
    @khandokarahad8239 Жыл бұрын

    ...

  • @danholocaust7364
    @danholocaust736410 жыл бұрын

    I feel mentally tired from all these tutorials lol.

  • @Zerkam
    @Zerkam Жыл бұрын

    I'm 14 years old girl.

  • @F4resQ
    @F4resQ Жыл бұрын

    You look scary

  • @kutayince6159
    @kutayince6159 Жыл бұрын

    minutes, and then delete it

  • @eliezer3833
    @eliezer3833 Жыл бұрын

    Hoax