Sounds like you guys that dont like manuals arent geared correctly. Dual cases is insane control. And eliminates most of the complaints that you guys have. I have 10.3:1 atlas and it was the best single upgrade i have ever purchased.

I despise automatics in general and don't much like them off-road in hardcore terrain either. The only way an automatic makes more sense to me than a manual wheeling is if; you're just looking to go cruising scenic trails for a nice relaxing day, you have a rock bouncer and you enjoy being wide open with the rpms screaming, or you are a rock crawler and you can't afford the right gearing to make a manual work well in highly technical trails. But, as long as your happy and out wheeling, each to their own. You'll never justify a manual trans to a hardcore auto guy, and you'll never justify an auto to a hardcore manual guy.

@le0redd104

Жыл бұрын

Both definitely have their own pros/cons Depends on the individual preference And please to those hard-core one sided.. you have to at least try both back to back to truly know what's best fit for your needs at the end of the day.

@janhoffman4798

Жыл бұрын

Auto for rock crawling. Never stall, more control, safer on the vehicles parts, less damage to the tracks the list is endless.

@Gonecheenin

Жыл бұрын

@@janhoffman4798 Clearly you've never rockcrawled with a properly geared manual transmission setup if you think an auto offers more control and endless advantages. 😅

@janhoffman4798

Жыл бұрын

@@Gonecheenin all the best rock crawlers out there all all auto FACT!

@Gonecheenin

Жыл бұрын

@@janhoffman4798 😂😂😂

I like my auto for the comfort and ease of driving. One thing I do for an even more smoother ride is drive with both feet. Covering the brake makes for quick braking on an obstacle , if needed, without any roll back or hesitation

@Nigriff

9 ай бұрын

During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future. With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.

Two footing it (brake & gas) will help wind up the tq converter allowing for a bit smoother transition between stop and go in technical places. Something to play with if you haven’t already.

It was great to see you two together in the same video again.👍👍👏👌

Automatics for crawling seems the best route. But, for mud as we ride in Puerto Rico prefer manual.

It's nice to see this channel get the subs it deserves. Kelly is awesome

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man👍🏻

Mad respect for Jeepers who drive manuals 👊 I’m glad you’ve joined the automatic club 😂 Sorry I missed you wheelin Sunday but so glad that you came!! ❤️🐞

I have Both and I like both if im on brutal long distance runs far from home I have leaned to run manual only in that case durability but still love the hell out of my auto. Also depending on type of track or trail. A guy really needs both because neither can out do each other in all situations. The more I drive the manual the more I realize both are satisfactory. At first when I built my manual rig I was like this is alot of work driving but lots of repetition driving it I dont notice it anymore comes natural. Broke my manual reverse once and my automatic been pulled three times in 5 years.

I like driving manuals, but two-footing in an auto will always be better.

@jonputnam5745

2 жыл бұрын

I wired a hand throttle onto the shifter of my 91 yj manual trans so that I could run throttle, brake and clutch without having to finesse with heel-toe on rocks. Used a Hurst automatic shifter with the two finger lock release modified to run the throttle cable. Skinny pedal still worked too.

@hisnameisiam808

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonputnam5745 how? Haha I've wanted to do this for quite awhile. I'm gonna have to look into it.

I’ve wheeled both a 97 Cherokee manual on 35s and a 04 jeep lj on 37s. I could do green and blue trails in the Cherokee but when I would get on reds you have to ride the clutch a lot. While in our Lj auto I didn’t have to worry about stalling out or getting a whisky throttle.

Manuals are fun but you can focus more on the obstacles in an auto like you said. I have driven both. Life’s too short have one of each

Automatics are even better when you can shift it your self. I got the slap stick option in my JKU I can down shift when ever I want and usually can up shift when ever I want sometimes it won’t doit but more often then not you’re down shifting when off road and have no issues with that and I don’t mind being in gear a little longer to get over an obstacle it’s not like your going to shift up into 3rd while on an obstacle unless you’re in mud and need to hit it. But definitely automatics especially with the slap stick so you still kind of have that manual option I know there’s a technical term but I don’t know it lol

I've got a 1972 W100 Dodge power wagon, 4 speed manual, manual locking hubs, divorced 205 T-case, no AC, just good old school wheeling

Good lookin Jeep , nothing better than a two door !

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👊🏻

@JeepTJWheelin

2 жыл бұрын

Most definitely, I can't stand all these 4 door limos littering the world.

@MuddyBeards4X4

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

In my 78 Scout I have a T19 Wide Ratio (6.32:1) my twin sticked dana 20 (3.15:1) and 4.88s with 35s I don't even need to touch the gas. Just let the clutch out and go. The only way the wheels will stop spinning is if I push the clutch in. Lots of control in my opinion and I like the challenge

Throttle lever on a manual for me the best option. For me! Stay safe and just get out manual or auto just explore!

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, ran a hand throttle for 12 years. Wouldn’t do a manual without one

Maybe it is because I am old, but the 32rh in my jeep is perfect. Had a manual in my old Bronco 30 years ago, but been wheeling an auto for the last 20 years without regrets.

@Gonecheenin

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I'm not a fan of automatics in general - but the non-electronic 32RH/TF999 is definitely one of the best choices out there if you decide an automatic is for you. Those things are beefy inside, simple, efficient, reliable (for a slush box), and have a strong 6 bolt T-case retention (unlike the GM TH350) Bout my only complaint on them is the difficulty obtaining some performance parts (compared to GM) and the internal governor requires a full teardown for modifications unlike GM where you can easily access & modify the governor via a side cover.

I'm 47 been Wheeling since I was 16 I had manuals and automatics totally prefer manual transmissions with a center Force dual friction clutch 529s dual cases 4.7 2.28 spools front and rear locking hubs and hydro assist that's how I built mine crawls everywhere keep them low with plenty of flex

@teranitupfpv

Жыл бұрын

manual is my preferred also but I do have an auto now, I loved having duals leaving the clutch out and climbing everything with 0 throttle, the downside is if you drive a tire into a pinch "like I did" there is no buffer only broken chromoly parts 🥲

The biggest benefit for the manual is transmission strength. Much less likely to break. Just wear out the clutch if you’re doing super slow rock crawling stop and go situations.

@mails5054

Жыл бұрын

depends on the trans tho. Manuals shock the driveline more, the auto in my 2014 jku is a hell of a lot stronger than any manual in a jeep. That old mercedes 5 speed holds like 580 torque stock!

I prefer auto xj with 40s you get alot more smooth control on difficult obstacles and you can be very precise where you place your tires and not slip off.

Whenever I see manuals in the rough stuff, it's always a herky jerky basket case.

@MuddyBeards4X4

Жыл бұрын

Haha, true. Especially if they don’t have enough gearing.

I've had both, '99 Tacoma automatic and a '76 FJ40 manual. Honestly prefer the manual off road. It's a lot more work but I feel more in control with a stick shift. Compression braking definitely doesn't stink as much as riding the brakes down long hills.

Auto is great and I save so much money on starters

During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future. With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.

Honestly it's personal preference. If you are good with clutch control a properly geared manual all day. Most people aren't, autos are easy but real nice in tricky climbs

So glad I learned on a manual as a kid. Became second nature in driving… so when off-roading, you get the add-ed extra touch of feel with your vehicle while not feeling like there’s a parallel learning curve.

Radesign makes a awesome shifter for the aw4

I prefer a manual have driven both autos burn up for my driving. And I like to wheel for the challenge and auto is easier bit seems more control with manual good video

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, doing trails and mild rocks the manual was great, but the big hardcore rock obstacles I have been doing the last year, the auto is the way to go.

Great video Kelly! Definitely a tricky comparison to show in a video but well done. It was good seeing the TJ out on the trail and being out there with you again along with getting to meet Robbie as well!

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I also accidentally shot most of the day in slow mo, so I had less footage to work with than I planned, lol.

@VictorVectorJKU

3 жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 ah dang, still a good video tho! The slow motion was on point! But I just had went through all of what I recorded from Sunday and I somehow missed your run up Yellow Jacket… I just got the tail end of it from the bottom of the hill.

I’d opt for a AW4 from a cHEROkee. They are bulletproof

@stinggreyjlr9535

3 жыл бұрын

The AW4 was a good transmission for its time, but Jeep offers way better options, now. The ZF 8 speed in the JL is unbelievable.

auto wins every time.

I just can’t do an automatic Been running my 05 TJ w manual for 10 years never even thought about an auto Just low and go👍👍 Recently put in an atlas transfer case and I can highly recommend this upgrade For me I guess it’s power on demand and roadspeed gear selection that I like most with my manual as it’s also my daily driver However it’s your Jeep do what you want with it ,,,as the saying goes 👍👍👍

I did find it amusing that you kept attributing Smoothness and Predictability to the auto - I have had the exact opposite experience. I think auto's are pretty difficult to get slow steady wheel spin out of, they are also difficult to keep from lurching off the other side of an obstacle when you just had the torque converter loaded up hard to be able to climb the front side. I spent 8 years wheeling my 92 4.0 YJ hard with an auto and pretty much hated it in the rocks until I put a 4:1 Rocktrac in it which at least made it work decent. But my current rig has a 5 speed with a doubler and IMHO that's like having your cake & eating it too - there is ALWAYS a gear perfect for every situation or obstacle, and nothing is smoother and more predictable than an engine idling in double low with your 150:1 gear reduction turning your tires at a 100% consistent speed.

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

So far I have had the complete opposite experience, lol. But if I had a good transfer case with lower gears the manual would be much better. I found myself stalling, burning up the clutch and sliding off big obstacles all the time with the manual. One good thing is it made me a much better driver for sure, but it gets old after a while. It does come down to engine rpm, with your torque converter stall speed, axle gearing ect.. well you know. Hopefully it continues to be good, otherwise I still have the manual I can throw back in there👊🏻

I’ve had Porsches, Corvettes, Jeeps, and other vehicles that were all stick shifts, and they’re all fun to drive. But from my own experience when it comes to off roading auto is better. If you blow a clutch in the back woods and you’re alone it can be a problem.

@woodsnwater28

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong , auto blow out first any day and u will be stuck with a manual trans u will stick the vehicle in first start the vehicle and continue going and shift by the rps to get u out if an auto goes u are way more screwed.. U can own whatever u want but real driving skills are what they are...

I can imagine it's good in steep situations but i love my manual.

Just staring the auto swap in my Yj! Nice to see someone doing the same and it working out!

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, hopefully things go better for you than me, lol.

I've never wheeled an auto. 20 years of wheeling in Colorado, my rigs have always been stick.

auto all day long for me!

I definitely enjoy my manual but the predictability that comes with Auto is very nice. How are street manners with the selectable auto versus a standard auto? Also what would you change if you did a AW4 auto? Great video!!

@Nigriff

9 ай бұрын

During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future. With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.

AW4 and RADesign shifter in my YJ.

I've only ever driven manuals. Learned on a TJ and drive a JL 6sp 2DOOR. I am imagine an auto would be better/easier on steep technical stuff. I still have yet to go off road soon

I’ve driven automatics and standard transmissions in semi trucks, off road and everything in between. Automatic is way better because it’s less maintenance, and better control. The only vehicle I buy with a standard transmission is a motorcycle.

good ol tahuya. being a toyota guy I have no choice.. except lots of gears

I prefer a manual. Compression breaking down hill is hard to duplicate with an automatic. A sm420 swap in a yj with a 3.8 atlas behind it you don’t have to three pedal it to take off on an uphill.

@tjtuck4520

3 жыл бұрын

I wheel a 4cly manual on 35s locked. i beat the shit out of it and it's a blast!! I want the atlas so bad but the wait is around 12 weeks I believe. 😫

@street_legal_go_kart7356

3 жыл бұрын

No its not if u right gears auto does same thing no issues .

I prefer a manual trans in my tow rig but wouldn't have anything but an automatic for off roading.

interesting video and it reinforces might thoughts. I think if your not a super pro, the automatic frees up some of your attention for driving.Since I want to drive my CJ7 on the road as well I would like more gears. I was thinking about using a 4/5 speed from a dodge Dakota or Ram. do you think that would work? And i would like to use the old T18 transfer case. can I get adapters for that? thanks

It appears that most folks miss the point. The main benefit of an auto is variable torque multiplication. The side benefit is working two pedals when going over a rock/root off camber switching on crest. There’s a reason that everyone in motorsports uses manual transmissions, oh wait, they don’t. 😂 That said, I have a full manual control, completely overbuilt 700r4 with a reverse shift pattern for my LJ. Because it’s simply better than any other option I’ve run, by far.

Definitely Automatic'

I want a DGS Trans... It has the best of both worlds for all terrains.. but nobody makes and adaptable DSG to a RWD platform

Autos for the win if you are into crawling👍🏻

Good wrap up video on the auto build. I think it's cool how you are always trying to build on the cheap to keep the fun going. What in store next?

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks. Nothing big planned at the moment, tons of smaller stuff, onboard air, bumper, trailer upgrades, header is cracked😳 so always lots to do.

One my closest friends and I are heading to Elbe on the 17th if you'd like to join

for simple rock garden stuff it doesn't matter if the manual driver can actually drive a stick. When it comes to actual stuff like dry waterfalls and major pucker stuff I would do an auto.

I’ve missed seeing Robby on the channel. Not only for the xj content but because y’all have that real feel like I could kick it with you on the trail

is the 30RH a good transmission to do this mod or should i not waste my money? What should i do to help my trans work better for my yj. i have a 2.5l. i like the fact that you can shift your gears when you want them to shift.

I like my manual I just need a thumb/finger throttle

Manual belongs on a muscle/sport car, automatic is better all day for 4x4ing

One constant when wheeling is that crap breaks. I'd much rather have a manual in that circumstance. Broken auto you gotta get towed out. If a manual breaks which it is much less likely to do, you can probably fix it on the trail if you need to.

@patrickstep

3 жыл бұрын

Autos trans rarely break. Thats the whole point. With gears there is only two teeth taking all the force at any one time. There are no gears in an auto. Only clutches and bands.

@Ryan_Tidwell

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickstep what rock have you been living under? I have had 3 cars in my life time with automotive transmissions that broke while only used on the road. There are multiple businesses in my area that specialize in repairing automotive transmissions. If they "rarely break" what keeps these people in business? Also I've never broken a gear in a manual nor has anyone I know.

I know how the driveshafts didn't vibrate. It's called ****house luck.

@MuddyBeards4X4

Жыл бұрын

🤣 probably true

Depends on jeep not all r = and what u want to do . 5 speed auto ftw on 14jk most rock crawlers and drag racers run auto 4 a reason .

I have a 32rh in my TJ, I want to do a TDI swap but people are saying that the 32rh won't be able to handle the torque. I am just trying to build a DD/ weekend warrior rig. Nothing close to the monsters you and Nate drive!

@MuddyBeards4X4

2 жыл бұрын

A stock 32rh probably won’t last long. Good clutches, a shift kit and a good cooler, it would probably hold up just fine.

@JudahsTreeFarm

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 anything you would do different with your 32rh build? I like the idea of a full manual valve body for utility purposes as i use my jeep as tool a lot on my land but will be drove from my house to the trails. So I'm curious about the billet accumulator and the manual valve body and wether or not I'd like it on the street

@MuddyBeards4X4

2 жыл бұрын

If I was driving it on the street more, I would probably make sure it has a lock up torque converter for a little extra at higher speeds and I would not go with a manual valve body, I believe cope racing transmission has a valve body that is an automatic but upgraded.

Thoughts on manual valve body on an auto? Like 4l60 4l80

Is there any reason you didn't go with an aw4 auto? I'm guessing the yj automatic probably has more aftermarket support?

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

When I started this project I didn’t do much research to be honest. Found an 32rh for $100 and bought it. It sat around for a while before I got to working on it. But I am glad in the long run I did it. Aw4 has less aftermarket support and you have to run some electrical systems to make it work. I like mine is full manual, no electronics.

Yo brother check out the Las Cruces chile challenge and if at all possible make the trip we got a lot of incredible trails here mild to extreme buggy trails, hope to meet you on the trails one day

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Looks awesome, I will have to plan a trip there one year.

@ironbearjku2233

3 жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 heck yeah

Manual all day

😎👍

Real trucks dont shift themselves lol... hydro e brake is the next mod so i can leave the brake peddle alone and just focuse on gas and clutch

What a cool jeep, you should plug the gas cap hole in your fender since you know how to weld!

@MuddyBeards4X4

Жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks. I should… but it’s been a years and I probably wont do it now, lol.

@mails5054

Жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 I swear no one ever plugs it, even tho a lot of people with built tjs know how to weld! Just something ive noticed. Not like it matters lol

@MuddyBeards4X4

Жыл бұрын

Jeep v2.0 will have a covered gas cap hole for sure. It’s on my list, lol.

Newer jeep with autos are ridiculously easy to select desired gear. I don’t understand why anyone would want to own a stick. (I’ve done both and auto is better)

@MuddyBeards4X4

2 жыл бұрын

I have done both and with the proper gearing you can get a lot of control with a manual. But in this case the auto is the way to go👍🏻

@joerouth6255

2 жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 especially when climbing is involved. I do agree though that driving a stick can be more challenging which sometimes is fun.

Any manual transmission can crawl just as slow and easily as an automatic with very little use of a clutch if you gear correctly. People who prefer an auto have never driven a twin stick transfer case geared nice and low. Doesn’t even require gas pedal input, she just does.

Manual for men's / Auto for women's

Yo brother what wheels do you have I absolutely love them

Now atlas next and you ll have all the control you need and want.

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, or a jk rubicon case. We will see what I can find once I save up some money

used to be all manual... then i destroyed my ankle and had surgery. since then, i lack the ability to have any "touch" on a gas pedal and got forced into auto... i actually like it better. my jeep is universally recognized as the worst best jeep ever... a TJ wrangler with a 2.5 and a 3 speed auto. does everything i ask it to (off the highway). hangs with JK rubicons without much effort.

Auto transmission were invented for drivers who can't take one hand off the wheel to shift .

Could you not just borrow a buddy’s manual YJ?

are u on 1tons?

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, Ford 9” rear, high pinion 44 in the front.

Auto stick wins

fourwheeling using a automatic transmission used to be a oxymoron …

Autos trans rarely break. That's the whole point. With gears there is only two teeth taking all the force at any one time. There are no gears in an auto. Only clutches and bands. So more surface area to apply force. They also have some give to absorb extreme force. With manual and extreme force they have no give so they break. The only downside of an auto is the price, they are not cheap

Definitely auto!

I’ve had both. I prefer a bolt action over a auto Bruce Jenner for better control over the shifting & engine breaking & I’m not a pro at driving a stick.

@street_legal_go_kart7356

3 жыл бұрын

How do u have more control? Does it ow time lol.

I like manual so much better but the problem really is the crawl speed with 35"+ tires if you don't have a t-case. I like that if you have an auto you can run 40s and avoid spending thousands on a Atlas.

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, with the stock t case 5.38 in the axles and the manual, the crawl speed was still was too fast most of the time. The auto definitely helps with that.

@DickedShit

3 жыл бұрын

@@MuddyBeards4X4 good to know! Kinda why I'm on the fence about going 37s with 5.13s and stock tcase because it's pretty decent right now, don't wanna start going backwards.

Chrysler has the worst transmissions. I spent $6500. On my 05 Dodge Ram 2500 to get the transmission were I wanted it. It took a dump at 130000 miles while pulling my toy hauler. Browns Diesel rebuilt it with all Goerend Billet parts, and torque converter. I have an 05 Jeep Wrangler that’s an automatic, that keeps popping codes from the transmission. I went to Wrangler Fix to change out the PCM. Manual transmissions are so much easier and cheaper to deal with. ANY AND ALL automatic transmission from Dodge SUCKS! I grew up on Chrysler products, but they need TRANSMISSION engineers to produce a quality product.

manual transmission for the guys … girls can use the autos 🤣 😆

The last automatic I owned was in my Silverado that was stolen in 1992. Even with the POS 6 speed my TJ has, I will never go back to an auto. They are simply too boring.

No way manual all the way. Takes skill to drive a manual. Plus kids no a days have no clue how to drive a manual. Save the Manuals!!

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

🤣 True they don’t

@Nigriff

9 ай бұрын

During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future. With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.

Manual with the 223:1 crawl ratio all day. Don’t be like dirt life style and get the same gear ratio sin your atlas 4 speed 👎

@MuddyBeards4X4

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, couldn’t afford a 4 speed if I wanted one.

Manual transmissions are overrated!