Only person held accountable was Lt Col Stuart Scheller who lost his career for asking for accountability

@ROOSTER333

2 жыл бұрын

Underated comment

@bigchief4044

2 жыл бұрын

The manner in which he did that was absolutely stupid. He deserved what he got for being dumb.

@Brandonthesnifferofall

2 жыл бұрын

True… I wish they would’ve mentioned him 🇺🇸

@calholli

2 жыл бұрын

"In times of madness, sometimes just stating the obvious is the ultimate act of courage" ----

@Thenamelessc

2 жыл бұрын

Crickets….. this hits differently

Joe needs to have Lt. Colonel Stuart Scheller on the show. He was the only person charged for the Afghanistan pullout, but it was for calling for accountability from the senior leadership.

@MrPeterBaak

2 жыл бұрын

Listen to him on jockos podcast. He's not running for office this election cycle. It would be better to have him on in a few years

@ANTIStraussian

2 жыл бұрын

The invasion was incompetent, the 20 year occupation was incompetent. But you expected the withdrawal to be handled well? Lol I'm just glad we left, the stay until the exit is perfect is neocon propaganda in order to propagate forever war.

@squirreltakular9049

2 жыл бұрын

@@ANTIStraussian Is this a response to me? Because saying Lt. Col. Scheller's argument was "stay until it was perfect" means you haven't listened to a single thing he's said and/or you don't know the first think about military strategy.

@ANTIStraussian

2 жыл бұрын

@@squirreltakular9049 what did you think the exit of Afghanistan would look like after 20 years of terrible policies? How many provinces did the taliban control by Nov 2020 112? The party was over. Might as well rip off the band aid and leave

@squirreltakular9049

2 жыл бұрын

@@ANTIStraussian The very basic, common sense plan Scheller and others have laid out would have been ripping off the bandaid. What happened was the equivalent of ripping off the bandaid and then rubbing lemon juice and salt in the wound. Seriously, just listen to Scheller on interviews. It would have taken a bare minimum of effort to not fuck it up this badly.

Coming from someone who was there, it was more sad than anything else. The desperation of families to survive and the hopelessness was just deafening. Should’ve been handled better but everyone on the ground did the best we could with what we had I promise

@nba1942

2 жыл бұрын

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@jackverrill4905

Жыл бұрын

I applaud the efforts of those on the ground charged with an impossible task. The bravery shown by our military personnel represents the best of America; while the politically-motivated decision making by our elected officials represents America’s worst.

@kbanghart

Жыл бұрын

​@@jackverrill4905 Amen. Thank God we finally had a president who had the courage to get American soldiers out of there. So sad that he was hamstrung by the disastrous policies of the Trump administration who made deals with the Taliban.

@Thunderchild-gz4gc

Жыл бұрын

@@kbanghart but he was getting the US out of foreign wars? Don't democrats like that?

@halweilbrenner9926

Жыл бұрын

Chaos of war. How could it have been a good withdrawal?

As someone who served in both Kandahar and bagram during that pullout , I promise you everyone saw this shit coming.

It really shows us the corruption when the higher ups aren't ever held accountable for such horrible decisions and mistakes. All across the spectrum.

@neotower420

2 жыл бұрын

It's unfortunately becoming very clear this entire planet habitually tosses things to the side.

@mcstench8913

2 жыл бұрын

@@neotower420 and then actively lies about whose fault it is

@DurzoBlunts

2 жыл бұрын

They get stock option kickbacks and high level positions with DoD contracted companies instead .... Sad state of affairs

@BubuH-cq6km

2 жыл бұрын

it wasn't a "mistake" or "accident" it was intentional Taliban wasn't fighting just the US/Allies but also about half a dozen terrorist groups including Islamic State and Al Qaeda the US wanted weapons to fall into their hands to continue to fight the Taliban as well as hoping some of those fighters will trickle over to Russia and China and start fighting why do you think these 2 countries didn't want us to pull out and leave and as soon as Rump announced a pullout they immediately organized meeting with the Taliban for peace and trade #lookintoit😉 g

@neotower420

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcstench8913 That's how you get promoted?? derpy.

I was there for this. I’m getting out of the army and never looking back. What little confidence I had in the system is now completely gone.

@readingtips2690

2 жыл бұрын

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@AnusSniffer69

2 жыл бұрын

@@pinnacleperception1638 the ANA gave up because they weren’t getting paid. Not because they wanted us to leave. I’m sure they probably wanted us to stay if I had to guess.

@kevindagod

2 жыл бұрын

Should have lost faith 20 years ago with the war for oil. How does anyone think it was for anything else.

@kevindagod

2 жыл бұрын

People knew this 20 years ago. The whole reason to go there was a lie and a well known lie.

@pjauthur9869

2 жыл бұрын

Army always been corrupt

It absolutely blows my mind that we learned nothing from Vietnam, and if anything, made even worse decisions than that.

@firebird4491

2 жыл бұрын

We did learn some lessons from Vietnam. There was a bit more emphasis on hearts and minds and more advanced technology allowed for precision strikes that would result in far fewer civilian casualties than the unguided bombs in Vietnam. Weapons control and rules of engagement was also tighter than in Vietnam to minimize civilian losses. However, fundamental misunderstandings of the culture of the people who lived in Iraq and especially Afghanistan negated these efforts.

@victortorres1585

2 жыл бұрын

No the lessons are there but the people in charge give little fs about those serving and you

@velocirshtr3756

2 жыл бұрын

@@firebird4491 Advanced weapons does not mean fewer civilian casualties. Casualties in Drone strikes were 90% civilians. Take out 9 civilians for 1 Target. Incredibly advanced 🙄

@jacobhogue3449

2 жыл бұрын

Vietnam was way worse. After 9/11 we had no choice but to go fight someone

@MrZachtheKingsfan

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobhogue3449 “Go fight someone” = invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11

Hey Joe Iam from afghanistan and i watched ur show for a long time but you should ask why Americans signed a deal with taliban about afghanistan government when there was already a government.Why Khalilzad( America representative for peace) came to kabul and forced the government to freed 7000 taliban from prison because it was on agreement? This whole thing was a plan and you shouldnt see it how media shows it because i was there all of my life.

@joeclaridy

2 жыл бұрын

Too many people were tired of war in the west. Afghanistan was a colossal failure of leadership spaning 3 administration's with competing views of the war. This should've never happened.

@tylersmith9868

2 жыл бұрын

Living in Afghanistan must suck hard

@keithangstadt4950

2 жыл бұрын

I did a rotation in Afghanistan in 2014. Defense contractors were hemorrhaging money as activities in Afghanistan were winding down. They needed a war somewhere else. So what do you do when you're a SecDef with a quarter of a million in Raytheon stock in your portfolio? Make sure a withdrawal is conducted as prematurely and haphazardly as possible for one of two reasons: 1) A re-emergence of hostilities and human rights violations that gives us moral cause to return in the near future, or 2) Get the fuck out of there and start a new war somewhere else

@elonfux2492

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, too much profit in war for them to care about the lives of Americans, Afghans or anybody for that matter.

@abdullahwali8231

2 жыл бұрын

@@elonfux2492 Yea you got it . I was there and i was watching what a ridiculous amount of money was wasted . This thing was a part of great game And people of afghanistan and american soldiers were victim

It is impossible to screw up THAT much. Everything that happened during that withdrawal was on purpose. As a Marine, it disgusted me.

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bossman Biden for keeping your promise and leaving Afghanistan. You ate the shit sandwich the previous guy couldn't. 4x as many Americans died in Afghanistan under Trump than Biden, and it would have continued if Trump had won. It's sad that Trump couldn't keep his promise and Trump stans are desperate to ignore reality.

@BubuH-cq6km

2 жыл бұрын

who said it was a screw up? it was intentional, wasn't just the USA Taliban was fighting, also about half a dozen terrorist groups including IS and Al Qaeda US/UK wanted those groups to get their hands on the weapons to keep fighting the Taliban as well as hoping they would take the battle across the borders to China and Russia why do you think these 2 countries didn't want us to ever leave and immediately met with Taliban for trade and peace deals they are afraid their countries will have radicals attacking them #lookintoit

@X3nophiliac

2 жыл бұрын

all of the military decisions since 9/11(or even earlier) have seemed entirely ruled by weapons companies here in the US. I wouldnt doubt that those weapons were left their on purpose to cause more strife, more warfare and if the taliban only knows how to use US weapons...they might buy from us later👀

@nh251

2 жыл бұрын

as someone who served in Iraq, you disgust me. you're only talking about this because Joe Rogan is telling you to talk about it.

@TfJedisuper

2 жыл бұрын

Why would any of it be on purpose though? As messy as it was it’s not like anything huge happened, or that it lead to anything huge happening. Laziness and incompetence makes more sense than any conspiracy here.

To think that not a single person was held accountable after what happened and the American lives that were lost is absolutely sickening.

@expandedhistory

2 жыл бұрын

You literally just copied and pasted my own top comment. Stop using other people’s comments for views.

@craighart9278

2 жыл бұрын

Why copy and paste someone else's comment? Weird.

@jybyrd

2 жыл бұрын

That'll happen during the midterms.

@sstaners1234

2 жыл бұрын

They’ll go on to pat themselves on the back like they were responsible for ending the war in Afghanistan. Just you wait and see.

@jcolt84

2 жыл бұрын

America no longer represents freedom, we invade sovereign nations and occupy them. How on earth can you believe that we are justified in doing this?

You nailed it Jack, NEVER anyone held responsible. When this happens all hell breaks lose, moral tanks, and more mistakes are made because there are never any consequences. Happens in the Military, and it happens in government.

@SuCKeRPunCH187

2 жыл бұрын

what is worse is no one was held accountable for 9/11. No one was fired or publicly reprimanded.

You know it’s fucked up when actual soldiers are telling you it is

I have full confidence in our leaders to fatten the pockets of our elites from all spectrums of war profiteering

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

How do you think Trump got convinced to stay in the war for 4 years when leaving was one of his primary promises. Same thing happened to Obama. Thank goodness Biden didn't get taken for the same ride.

@andrewcanady6644

2 жыл бұрын

You’re right. For example the 40 Billion more dollars that all but 57 Congressmen & Congresswomen voted for. Everywhere you turn government is not of, by, and for the people. America last.

@hubflower5433

2 жыл бұрын

This is the only right answer

@mjov6655

2 жыл бұрын

War Pigs

@1247.cccccc

2 жыл бұрын

Lindsay Graham has a reported net worth of 100+ million.

Would be very interested in hearing Donny O'Malley, a Marine vet and the founder of Vet Tv, on the podcast. His perspective and take are utterly unique and widely influential.

@xmpx619x

2 жыл бұрын

The best and only place for unsolicited military opinions! Rogan doesn’t know it, but Donny would fucking kill Rogan with laughter one minute and the next blow his fucking mind with real talk.

Afghanistan was unforgivable, because no one stood up or was held accountable ❤️🇺🇸

@shadowlord1418

2 жыл бұрын

Good militarys learn from mistakes what has America learnt from its past three wars

@sleazypolar

2 жыл бұрын

You talking about the 20 years of constant murder and pillaging of Afghani people or the exit where we lost a few lives and a little bit of money?

@Brandonthesnifferofall

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleazypolar what kinda reply would you like to that lee? Seems more like you’re trying to make a personal statement

@Brandonthesnifferofall

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleazypolar our service men and women were there for the right reasons.. be upset with leadership, they’re the ones who lied.

@Brandonthesnifferofall

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowlord1418 evidently more than Russia did watching us for over 20 years 🤦‍♂️😂 They can’t figure out basic logistics, even when railways lead into the territory they’re invading and again.. they watched US do it correctly for over 20 years.

When was the last time someone in the federal government was held accountable?

@tsquirrel8675

2 жыл бұрын

Answer: never

@bigh3896

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see someone asking the questions we deserve answers to🔥

@readingtips2690

2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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@AnusSniffer69

2 жыл бұрын

@@tsquirrel8675 Nixon probably

There was one soldier that was held accountable… the only one whom stood up to his superiors saying that no one was held accountable…

@andrewcanady6644

2 жыл бұрын

One man with honor.

@arighteousname5882

2 жыл бұрын

And that MARINE had no business do that in the first place. Whether you like it or not.

@osmosisjones4912

2 жыл бұрын

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@fleafarts3576

2 жыл бұрын

@@arighteousname5882 Bullshit…A leader leads. Stop being a manipulated “yes man”. ~ Navy Chief sends

@ReanuKeevesAus

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleafarts3576 agree with you! LTCOL Scheller did and said the right things and got punished for it!

I was deployed during the pandemic of 2020-2021. Most of us were shifted around SWA, helping close most FOBs and COPs down. Shit was stressful as fuck, and when we arrived at DEMOB we saw Bagram fall, Afghans being sent outside Doha, and so on. 2021 and early 2022 were mentally taxing, after seeing everything fall and mentally being destroyed, morale was destroyed. I joined in 2011... I will be getting the fuck out next year. Leave the next conflicts for the keyboard generals. Side note: I expected way more from a salted "Green beanie" like General Milley iykyk

@aceeduventures

2 жыл бұрын

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@buenoactual5696

2 жыл бұрын

Why expect shit from him? Him and the entire staff at the pentagon are politicians or talking pundits in waiting. None of them have the stones to fucking call a spade a spade to a president and would rather roll over if it gets them a sweet gig post military.

@craigthescott5074

2 жыл бұрын

Yep General Milli Vanilli is about as incompetent as you can get. History will show him to be one of the worst American Generals ever. That may be the only punishment he gets.

@remember_Pat_Tillman

2 жыл бұрын

The US military had no constitutional authority to invade another country that never attacked us..... Opium and lithium are the reasons for this invasion

@craigthescott5074

2 жыл бұрын

@@remember_Pat_Tillman totally agree it’s just a modern Vietnam.

I know what the correct withdrawal would've been. Evacuate at the end of 2001. Don't occupy a country for 20 years, or try to dictate local politics in countries half way around the world. Has never worked in the past, and never will. End of story.

@saleemarefi6853

2 жыл бұрын

Look at the history of Afghanistan and you’ll realize why they spent 20 years and hundreds of billions if not trillions Afghanistan was Americas most important strategic location and has mountains filled with lithium thats in almost every battery that powers everything in the us n world

@sonnysingh2456

2 жыл бұрын

Agree...but they wouldn't be able to tell Putin not to invade a country if they were still in Afghanistan.

@Dee0336

2 жыл бұрын

It worked in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. Depends if the occupied country wants the same lifestyle as the western countries.

@hdizz1309

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dee0336 Decent point. In a global system where governments rule by coercion and force, of course you can find a few examples where the people of governments worked together and did good/protected people from the authoritarianism of other governments. But in the years since the early 1900's and throughout the 20th century, the United States Government/CIA have conducted or been involved in 100+ regime changes/coup d'états which often were in support of right-wing authoritarian/nationalist regimes who benifited US strategic military or corporate interests. I wouldn't absolve the involvement in Germany, Japan, or South Korea from also being the result of such motivations, although the optics are obviously much better in those cases. My only point is the motivation is not simply to maintain democratic principles globally. Last I checked meddling in foreign elections is the antithesis of democracy. I'd say 8/10 times US intervention has done more harm than good, and in every instance picking one side as the 'good guys worth supporting' corrupts the local desires of the many different groups and worldviews of each country. Again, in a few cases the optics look great and it was very clear who the 'bad guys' were. But in most cases this doesn't hold up to scrutiny. There is a reason the only positive examples of foreign involvement are usually 50-70 years old and mere droplets in the sea of foreign meddling

@dublinpub5363

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dee0336 which Germany? Which Korea? There were 2 Germanys for 50 years and there are still 2 Koreas.

Doesn’t help that a lot of our senior staff never fought on the frontlines.

@hollandsauce8422

2 жыл бұрын

As an officer and staff member, they usually work 16-18 hour days planning and coordinating. Not a whole lot of time in between to fight the front lines. I would have traded that for sleep, free time, convoy ops or frontline fighting

@kinghenryxl1747

2 жыл бұрын

Most of the senior staff are veterans of the Gulf War and Iraq War

@flently

2 жыл бұрын

Willing to bet you never served.

@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinghenryxl1747 sure guys like mad dog Mattis were more of advisors, which is crucial. But I’ve spoken with many vets that fought and got into fire fights and got mortared, although everyone is different they say it humbles you when your in a life and death situation. Those types are usually against more war and violence. The officers who don’t see such combat are more willing to throw bodies around because they haven’t been faced with the barrel of a gun.

@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521

2 жыл бұрын

@@hollandsauce8422 everyone is different. I salute you for your service fam.

No one held accountable, when accountability is supposed to be a cornerstone of the military.

@alejandronopasanada5302

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a comedy troop started by a vet trying to show how different the idea is from the military as honorable etc. to what it really is day to day. It’s like people know it but they don’t want to lose that last bit of delusion.

@frondreadz789

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not true lt col schaffer was held accountable

@keithangstadt4950

2 жыл бұрын

Once you become an officer you are no longer a soldier, you are a politician.

@bobandywiththebrandy1990

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah man totally. The military is so honest and accountable for the trillions of dollars that have gone "missing", the millions of civilians who have died because of the "war on terror', quit being a sheep kid.

@jakemon4550

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobandywiththebrandy1990 lol what? so we should just let the military do what ever they want and not hold them to the standards we expect? What a loser, just because something is corrupt doesn't mean we should just roll over and let it continue to be corrupt. Dam it's people like you why our nation is in crisis, people who would rather sit on the side line and just say " it's fate that things are shit and there is nothing to be done" what a waste of air.

I suffer with depression anxiety etc and have to constantly remind myself daily that some other people have it a shit ton worse, it makes stuff slightly easier but it is easy to get caught up in how your feeling and forget that there’s a whole world out there suffering considerably more than me

I don`t think most people understand how power works. Politicians don`t stay in power by making things go smooth, but by creating chaos and misery. The more people are confused and afraid the more power the politicians get over them.

RIP to the 13 service members lost. You are not forgotten ❤️

@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@rayzenrise3471

2 жыл бұрын

Americans killed millions

@mohameddoccali7872

2 жыл бұрын

Roast in peace

@troymcclure681

2 жыл бұрын

thanks to Joe Biden

I have zero confidence as a taxpayer. The government has ZERO credibility, or trust from the people.

@BubuH-cq6km

2 жыл бұрын

yet U keep voting for your 2 party cartels🤣 😂 thinking "your team" is different

@andrewcanady6644

2 жыл бұрын

You’re right. They’re the Uniparty. I see them as cooperative, only playing at battle for the people. I’m not registered in either party. I’m an Independent thinker and voter. 🤙🏾

@andrewcanady6644

2 жыл бұрын

You copy? I happen to agree with you 100%. Many are hypnotized by that Conserv/ Lib & Repub/ Dem dichotomy. That’s partly how the politicians and their lap dog media keep the people divided and controlled. How they get people to SELF TRIBALIZE, in fact, because we have that innate need to be on a team. And once you see all this, that it’s true, you can’t unsee it. 🤙🏾

Exactly how it should have happened. An 11B E-4 has more strategic sense than the leadership who ordered the withdrawal in this way.

Jack is an amazing guy. Such a great episode!!!

Oil, money, greed. It's what makes the world go round

@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@Klow25

2 жыл бұрын

They say thats what ‘GOD’ really means… GOLD OIL DOLLARS !

we need the real deal people telling us the truth... thank you for your service and the facts 🙏

@DoobSac

2 жыл бұрын

No facts were told. Just another phony conservative pretending there was a better way to pull out of a never ending war.

@LUIGIRACER69

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoobSac hope you can say that and actually back it up morally. And show some respect for someone who risked their life for your freedom.

@DoobSac

2 жыл бұрын

@@LUIGIRACER69 They aren't protecting anyone"s freedom you brainwashed goof. From Vietnam to Iraq, illegal wars we should have never been involved in. Offensive, illegal wars based on lies isn't protecting anyone's freedom, quite the opposite actually.

@dogsense3773

2 жыл бұрын

No one knows the truth too many people going and coming in that war

I've argued since day one that the withdrawal should have been conducted from Bagram. It was a far more defensible position. Miles of open, level ground on three sides. A functional airstrip that can handle multiple civilian and military aircraft, enough billeting to accommodate over 10,000 people, medical facilities, dining facilities, etc. There is a several hundred yard buffer between the perimeter and the airfield. From a tactical perspective Kabul Airport was the worst choice. Its almost as if our government just wanted to get it over with so chose the spot they could move as many people out of as quickly as possible.

@garyj449

2 жыл бұрын

"Always abandon your most strategic Air Field when conducting a withdrawal" - Sun Tzu Like wtf. That was fucked up so bad it almost looks intentional. Or Gen Milley is completely incompetent or both.

@WilkinsMichael

2 жыл бұрын

The military and state dept had almost two years notice from 2 administrations. The equipment and any Afghan Allie’s they wanted out should have been long gone.

@misaelfraga8196

Жыл бұрын

They wanted to make sure we had to come back one day. That's why the military industrial complex hated Trump.

I could listen to Jack talk all day

I cannot comprehend the amount of money spent on this this war & all the lives that were destroyed.

@jackflackk3153

2 жыл бұрын

Let alone the huge pile of u.s. cash left behind. All left stacked up in a building along with a mass of weapons and ammo. Clearly left behind for the taliban to use. HOW PATHETIC!

@michaeldalton8374

2 жыл бұрын

Around $2.4 TRILLION

No no no we know exactly why we left Afghanistan that way and he still sitting in the white house. What a house of cards.

@WilkinsMichael

2 жыл бұрын

The military had almost two years notice from 2 administration and didn’t get the job done. Is the president supposed to fly to Kabul and micromanage?

got his book yesterday. loving it!!!

Great guest for you

It's kind of obvious now that they're intentionally making these choices but everyone keeps thinking they are just making mistakes over and over again....lol

@cyberverse9141

2 жыл бұрын

What choices?

@Fahim1218

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyberverse9141 the choices that make their wallets thicker

@osmosisjones4912

2 жыл бұрын

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@cyberverse9141

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fahim1218 oh you mean the choice to invade? Most Americans blame "military industrial complex" but it's much more than that. America (or should I say israel) wants to replace independent conservative governments with Liberal puppet ones all across the world

@mjov6655

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! Look at what they’re doing to the stock market right now.

3:55 if we did that we're not out of Afghanistan

Unforgivable and unforgettable.

Jack is the best. A true patriot . Love when he comes on the podcast

Leaving Afghanistan was the right move but it was executed in the worst way possible. I think it contributed to Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine too as it convinced him we were weak.

@ApolloDeRothschild

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it was the fact Ukraine was about to join nato

@ElTigre12024

2 жыл бұрын

@@ApolloDeRothschild Ukraine was never going to join NATO anytime soon. And thanks to Russia’s blunder NATO expansion is now inevitable. Oops.

@troymcclure681

2 жыл бұрын

thank joe Biden

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

You're delusional

@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96

2 жыл бұрын

we are weak

Great episode

@omogenews

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@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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Stealing away like cowards while abandoning allies is not a withdrawal.

We just interviewed a researcher who said something similar - that there's not much appetite in the Defense Department to make changes based on lessons learned from Afghanistan.

You can debate whether or not keeping a military presence in Afghanistan was right or wrong. What is not debatable is the way the withdraw was done. The chaos, the US Soldiers deaths and Afghani deaths were avoidable. As a History teacher it’s sad that I’m going to have to teach my future students this.

@Bc232klm

2 жыл бұрын

Only problem with the withdrawal is that it didn't happen under Obama as promised. We could have saved far more than 13 lives.

@jairoherrera4040

2 жыл бұрын

the US only cares about filling it's constitutions with weapon sales in its trillion dollar war program. They rather supply Israzl's nuclear program to threaten and bully the Middle East while not support its citizens who needs it the most.

@Bc232klm

2 жыл бұрын

You might want to teach that we shouldn't have been there in the first place, and that staying there forever isn't an option. I feel bad for your students.

@tsquirrel8675

2 жыл бұрын

Calm down Mr. History teacher, dont murder your keyboard trying to type all these paragraphs so quick

@troymcclure681

2 жыл бұрын

thanks to Joe Biden

If it was Trump, we would have that story on blast for months!!! People falling off of ✈️, multiple soldiers dead, and pulling equipment out…. WTF

@Cherrywood1216

2 жыл бұрын

as it was with biden on conservative media outlets

@Bc232klm

2 жыл бұрын

If it was Trump, there would have been far more American deaths.

@Squash101

2 жыл бұрын

The right didn't let this disaster go to waste either. Right wing media did exactly what you're saying

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

More Americans died under Trump in Afghanistan than Biden. Had it been Trump we'd still be there because he doesn't keep his promise like Joe did.

@Papagiorgio153

2 жыл бұрын

@@Squash101 As they should have, it was an absolute fn disaster. Meanwhile corporate media spends years on the "Russia gate" hoax. What a joke.

I'm 2 thirds through IN THE BLOOD. this guy legit produces amazing novels. I hope he writes more!

Thanks for the new book series. Now I have NO time for anything! Lol. Great Audio book!

@andreamadden9153

2 жыл бұрын

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Never forget that SEVERAL US presidents warned the public about the military industrial complex. Those people never went away.....

@davethebrahman9870

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit conspiracy theory.

Lessons need to be learned from this. Food for thought.

@ViciousTwistX

2 жыл бұрын

big fan of thots.

@troymcclure681

2 жыл бұрын

no just don't let democrats hold power

@KrikZ32

2 жыл бұрын

​@@troymcclure681 you mean like when the exact same thing happened in vietnam in '73 under the republican Nixon? you're completely brainwashed if you really think the two parties are that different. They're both bought out by the same military industrial complex, they're both completely happy to destroy our quality of life for their corporate sugardaddies. I hope you haven't forgotten it was a republican who put us into the unwinnable "war on terror" in the first place. His republican vice president was a man who was CEO of halliburton, got Halliburton set up with billions of dollars worth of contracts while in office, and still received pay from Halliburton WHILE SERVING AS VP. Not to mention that it was Trump, another republican, who set the withdrawal date in the first place. Democrats suck and do the same shit, but republicans and democrats are literally the exact same when you look past the 1st grade fingerpointing and name calling.

@mjov6655

2 жыл бұрын

@@troymcclure681 💯

The MSM was, traditionally, the agency that handled asking or demanding accountability. Politicos and bureaucrats and generals were afraid of the MSM. Not anymore. The MSM is on the side of one faction of said politicos, generals, and bureaucrats. Add to that a large fraction of the electorate that is credulous and authority-loving and you have what we have now.

@evalramman7502

2 жыл бұрын

@Abraham Donaldson Perhaps a more coherent explanation of your post?

The low suspension wondering if it'd an IED or family is the exact scenario I ran through as truck commander in Afghanistan. I made the wrong call but ended up being the right decision. Blacked out low riding vehicle was approaching our convoy fast, my gunner made all attempts to get it to slow or stop, didn't help, we had a round about coming up, which was going to cause our convoy to slow and the suv to catch up. I made the decision not to shoot which I believe was the wrong one, LUCKILY as we turned my gunner was able to see in one of the very back windows that it was just full of people. It worked out but I made the wrong call due to the circumstances we were in and the unknown situation.

Ok he didn't answer was should have been done.

@Bc232klm

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, he did. He said he wants to stay there forever lol.

@Stego1819

2 жыл бұрын

what did you expect. Nobody does.

Joe has read all of Jack Carr's audiobooks

I already forgot this happened

My wife and I were in the Air Force, 11yrs - C130 crew chiefs. Deployed 4 times and the conclusion each time was what are we doing here?

It's all done by design. It is intentional. It is all being done on purpose. The sooner people figure this out, the better off we'll be to put an end to it.

@travisethridge4062

2 жыл бұрын

people don't understand war is a racket means it is racking up dollars

@alejandronopasanada5302

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It’s an amalgamation of all the henchmen from Batman all the way back from the 60s and some weirdly dressed dude making them think it’s personal to Bane telling that one guy he had to stay behind on the plane and die. That’s the metaphor I see. The American people are not smart or developed enough to see it. I was a vet and a recruiter all the way around and I saw that in every level they favored brand new minds over seasoned know how and developed strength.

I got to feed 15,000+ Afghan refugees for 3 months in the US right after this. Crazy gig

How much does it cost to take the firing pin out a weapon? Or disabling any gear?

@craigthescott5074

2 жыл бұрын

Firing pins can be replaced very easily. Bottom line you don’t leave your enemy $84 BILLION in cutting edge military equipment and technology. Any imbecile would know that.

2:30 "but sir it cost to much" gen milley

I was reading an article on the Air Force times about the decorations that some leaders were given (edit) for their part in leaving Afghanistan. Basically they were awarded medals for retreating...with bravery?

@andrewcanady6644

2 жыл бұрын

Not surprised to hear that.

How many American citizens that wanted to be evacuated were left behind? What happened to them after the last US military plane left? Are any still there and trying to get out?

@ryancappo

2 жыл бұрын

There were less than 200 was the last number I heard. They had plenty of chances to leave if they wanted to, but no idea what happened to them after the military left.

@craigthescott5074

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryancappo not true Ryan our government left people mostly US contractors and workers who had no idea a debacle withdrawal was going to happen like this. It took private citizens mostly retired military to get those people out. Brandon wrote them off like everything else he left behind.

You should do a story on Mike Madman Marcum, Love the podcast.

Thanks a lot corn pop

I used to work in the security assistance office in Kabul when I was a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. My job was to equip and train the Afghan Air Force. Ahh the stories I could tell you even back in 2010-11 about why decisions were made and what level of long-term success we all knew was likely. It was enormously frustrating to see this disaster unfolding and the amount of $$ being wasted and lives lost. Sad. Add to that, Just before I returned home to the US, a disgruntled Afghan helicopter pilot who was going to be retired early for suspicious activity turned his gun on our people and killed 9. I can’t tell you how angry I am to have watched how this whole thing came to an end and how our leadership from Biden to the top military leaders took no responsibility for their total Fuckery.

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

Dude describes decades of failures, then turns around and blames the guy in charge for 8 months that actually left. Brain worms.

@FerretCuddles

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsielsch Hello reddit.

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

@@FerretCuddles haha you a BP?

@lostboy583

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsielsch It’s not his fault, brain worms is pervasive amongst conservatives.

@FerretCuddles

2 жыл бұрын

Just to clarify on what OP was referring to, WikiLeaks released more than a few memos detailing Afghani and American frustration with US funding being directed torward "woke" initiatives instead of addressing infrastructure and economic stability. Afghanis in particular were all but yelling that this agenda is having the opposite effect and that collapse of the war and rebuilding efforts were inevitable if there weren't any changes.

This guy should be the commandant of the Marine Corps or somethin He rules

I love Cameron Hanes, he’s from my home region, but I definitely skipped over his episode to listen to this one.

Kyle Lamb definitely needs to make an appearance on this podcast!

Would have never been a need to withdraw if we had never gone over there in the first place, but then of course our Democrat and Republican friends would not have gotten their kickbacks.

@smuuthbrane7029

2 жыл бұрын

Or left when W. Bush said it didnt matter if we got Bin laden or not. Back in 2004

@troymcclure681

2 жыл бұрын

joe Biden ultimate screwed up get your head out of you butt

@readingtips2690

2 жыл бұрын

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@readingtips2690

2 жыл бұрын

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@sownheard

2 жыл бұрын

War is to profitable - JFK

His option is to stay there forever lol. No thanks.

i finished reading the "The Devil's Hand" last week. absolutely awesome.

Love Jack Carr, awesome dude!

As a Afghanistan Combat Vet I was appalled by the performance of our National Command Authority. I have been sick since last August and was fortunately able to get three of my four Terps out. One I have not herd from since October. FJB!

@nh251

2 жыл бұрын

did you care about the way Trump pulled out of Iraq? did you say anything about when Trump let thousands of Kurds get slaughtered when he pulled out of Iraq the way he did? if you didn't, you're just following trendy topics to talk about. you're still letting these people control your narrative. you're still just a pawn for them lol

@dlynchious1157

2 жыл бұрын

FJB FDT

Should have been 20 years before

@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@2:02 I thought Rogan was about to start singing some Megadeth. lol

It truly was a mess of a withdrawal. I am bothered by the fact that the higher leaders had no feeling of accountability.

If history teaches us any lesson, it is that man ignores all of history's lessons.

@lovel7838

2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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@Ozzymandius1

2 жыл бұрын

History doesn’t teach you lessons. That implies you can take a direct situation from the past, apply it today, and it will progress in a 1:1 fashion.

@Papagiorgio153

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ozzymandius1 History may not repeat, but it certainly echoes

I've read all of this guy's books and started on the new one the day it was released. They have to be the best modern military thrillers from any author.

@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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@davidkingyogato1097

2 жыл бұрын

💯

The saddest thing is that no one will ever really know the amount of casualties as a result of just leaving.

Love this guys books

So we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What does accountability matter at this point when the Taliban now has more Black Hawk helicopters than most countries? The withdrawal was beyond a catastrophe and severe consequences are guaranteed

@okpyoy

2 жыл бұрын

They can’t even fly the blackhawks

@JVigil-hb9og

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t maintain anything either

@dogsense3773

2 жыл бұрын

Your full of s--t today?

Only a few books in, but Jack is a great author.

Not everything left was usable. Some needed repair and how would they get the pieces to repair it.

So, I'm interpreting that this guy is suggesting that we never should have left Afghanistan? I think pulling out is a better option than continuing a war that has been going on for 20 years. Edit: aaaand I was right. Advocating for a "small" contingency of a few thousand US soldiers isn't pulling out of Afghanistan. If the military force that you trained for decades decided to up and bail right when the U.S. left, that's a pretty big sign that we're doing fuck all except helping out the corrupt politician and soldiers by just giving them a fat check and top of the line equipment

@kaztheunbreakable

2 жыл бұрын

Whether we should or shouldn’t pales as a thought when next to HOW it was done. This admin relit the smoldering coils of a dumpster fire and added more trash to burn. Horrible execution

@kaleiohulee6693

2 жыл бұрын

There's a planned and orderly draw down, and then there's what we did. They did not inform our allies, they gave up the military airfield before evacuating (which also removed air support for the forces still fighting), and then they gave out lists of our allies to the Taliban and asked them to please let them pass. You keep a contingency at least until you get all the civilians out, that should be basic.

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, he's advocating for the US to break the agreement it made with the Taliban and instigate them into shooting at us again.

@naasking

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaleiohulee6693 sure, that was Obama's playbook. And then the US stayed another 12 years and sent billions more in equipment and troop surges. I don't think you appreciate the political forces that really wanted to stay there at all cost. They pushed two presidents who really wanted to withdraw to stay. They manipulated intel to make it appear things were going well if only they were given a bit more time, money and troops. Of course it never ends. There's always another excuse, another lie. In that context, just getting the fuck out is the only option.

@kaleiohulee6693

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsielsch Biden broke the agreement when he publicly said he was moving the withdrawal date from march to sept 11.

How about the USA military stops going to foreign countries and fighting wars there ... Talking about tax payer money... Smh

I guess the disastrous withdrawal shows it doesn't matter how capable your troops are, if the leadership doesn't know what the hell they're doing.

This! He said it perfectly.

Lol no real answers What does "control that thing means"? Staying for longer just to leave and have the same results?

@jsielsch

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, he's pretty much saying "we did it wrong, the right way would have been to do it pretty much the same way we did it and hope for different results"

If anything are politicians are a reflexion of us. We should be the one's looking in the mirror because we are the one's that put them in office.

@Sphere723

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Withdrawing from Afghanistan had over 60% support in the US electorate, now people are whining about electing a president that withdrew from Afghanistan.

Where is Eddie Bravo? Haven’t seen him on here in years

I almost forgot about that video for a few seconds. Imagine how watching that in 10+ years of people hanging onto that plane is going to look... we had a secure AFB at the airport there for 20 years!

I love how authors think they understand military strategy. Not saying the military did a good job, but this guy claiming he knows how it should have been handled is hysterical. So many people come on Joe Rogan to talk about shit they know nothing about and have no place talking about it.

@JustMatt_2023

2 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, I’m sure you didn’t know, but Jack isn’t just an author. He’s a 20yr veteran Navy Seal who retired as a Lieutenant Commander. I’d say he’s got a pretty good handle on military strategy. Cheers!

@jacobhogue3449

2 жыл бұрын

lol dude is a retired navy seal. Please tell me you’re trolling

I thought we were talking about Afghanistan? He keeps talking about Iraq. He has all these opinions but can't remember which country we're pulling out of...

@vibewithme2318

2 жыл бұрын

Both

@matthewgrasso7167

2 жыл бұрын

Right. Plus his solution to leave Afghanistan properly was to leave a small force behind…which means not leaving.

@bobandywiththebrandy1990

2 жыл бұрын

Because he's spewing bullshit

@jsquared1013

Жыл бұрын

He was contrasting the two situations and expanding the discussion from one strategic fuck-up to other strategic fuck-ups.

Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s my father/brother worked on the North warning system upgrade in northern Canada.At the end of the job every thing(except stuff you could put in a toolbox😉) was buried in a large hole,tools,equipment,etc....cheaper to leave it and replace later...MIC......

Highly doubt Krakauer would go on this show, but would be great to have an unfiltered conversation about the Pat Tillman fiasco, which was an absolute disgrace.

Isn’t there abit of accountability? Gary Reed fired

@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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@omogenews

2 жыл бұрын

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But look at all the money we are saving for ukraine!

Military spending in Afghanistan War: $2.3 trillion Actual amount spent on the Afghan military: 2% of total. Now lets only discuss the withdrawal Rogan.

Joe please talk about recent congress UFO hearing!

@ambrosia453

2 жыл бұрын

@Carlie Berry what is this bs video?

funny how he didnt have a legitimate solution