Great work Vesna.

COMMENTS 9 of 9 Mal Macdonald Closed, eh… strange how fb pages hate the TRUTH & BAN us from commenting on these sorts of pages… Now, this is the only way we can SHARE what is going on, and let the LIES and BULLSHIT be known. Its fraud! Thanks for supporting us & share it, so everybody knows 1 Tony Tee Sven Ouzman Ah...The "race card"... A great fail safe when you are losing the game.. Sort of like knocking the board game off the table when you have lost... Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi All material presneted is published peer-reviewed research Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Peer-reviewed by whom? By some Aboriginal industry apparatchiks, such as the Australian Archaeological Association - which declared Grahame Walsh to be "racist" for proving that the original anthropomorphic Wanjina and Bradshaw figures were not created by ancestors of contemporary tribes, but by highly advanced Pre-Aboriginal races? In protest, Grahame - in his Will - wanted all of his 1.2 million photos destroyed, but his wished were not honoured. And, to add insult to injury, the AAA recently published Grahame's work under a different author's name. Unforgivable. 2 Sven Ouzman Narelle Friar Yes, many Aboriginal Groups and bodieslike AITSIS consider it isulting for non-Aboriginal people to us eimages without permission. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman No one needs any permission, by anyone, to create or even copy any image which is in the public domain. Aboriginal bodies’ illegal demands are insulting to non-Aboriginal Australians. Sven Ouzman Lily McVeigh No, I work at the University of Western Australia under the principle of academic freedom and appropriate codes of ethics (AAA, UWA). Note 'aborigine' is a rather out--of-date colonial word. Aboriginal or Aboriginal person is accepted nomenclature. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman "Appropriate code of ethics"? You mean the nonsense that's been force-fed to archaeology students for couple of decades now? Telling them they must never use word "prehistory" again - because it's "offensive" to aborigines. Instead, they must call our prehistory "deep past". Well, as an archaeologist specialised in prehistory, I am happy to say I am another prehistorian, just as Rhys Jones and John Mulvaney were. According to "ethical" terms we should be called "deep past experts". They, too, never accepted the Orwellian Newspeak you chose to use. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Aborigine is a proper noun. Aboriginal is an adjective. 1 Lily McVeigh Vesna Tenodi catch up my dear 'aboriginal' and 'aborigines' is so out dated. It's First Nations now. 2 Vesna Tenodi Lily McVeigh Of course. Our vocabulary must be "decolonised". They are just copying everything they see happening in Canada. And some of those “First Nations” in Australia consist of a grand total of three people. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Everybody has the right to paint and sell Wanjina and Bradshaw images. 3 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Incorrect. Forensic anthropology nad rock art research are both strong in Australia and conducted in partnership with relevant Aboriginal groups. 2 Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Then advise them that nobody needs their permission. Nobody needs to work in any “partnership” to explore ancient rock art. And trying to enforce it - usually by way of harassment, violence, and vandalism - is both illegal and insulting to us. 1 Royston Wilding 1 Vesna Tenodi Royston Wilding Yes, I too am not sure whether to laugh or to cry 1

COMMENTS 5 of 9 Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman So they are obviously either unfamiliar or deliberately lying about Copyright and IP laws. And thank you for posting the link to my case again. In the end, my "Wanjina Watchers in the Whispering Stone" sculpture had to be removed - I relocated it to a safe place so the thugs couldn't keep vandalising it - but the decision was made because "he stone was too big" hence against the local council's planning law. The public is well informed and my FB page lists all the Arts Law Centre machinations. You can have a look and see all the charming comments by our precious "first people". I deliberately left most of their vulgar abuse on my page, so the general public can clearly see what sort of thugs we are dealing with. While you are at it, you can also post the link to ABC Law Report, when the Aboriginal industry apparatchiks threaten to sue me for "blasphemy" and you can also listen to Woollagoodja unable to form a meaningful sentence. You really think we should pay any attention to what that sort of people think, or show any respect for those who disrespect us, but are more than happy go keep grabbing billions of dollars of our money, generation after generation. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Aborigines until recently called Bradshaws "rubbish art, left by the people who were hear before us". Only recently the images were declared "sacred" for the purpose of land claims. 4 Sven Ouzman Hi, Vesna, the 'rubbish' quote is often misused. It wa sused by Traditional Owners saying that the art - (Gwions) which we now know to be at least 12,0000 years old, was not part of their daily loves. Gwions (not 'Bradshaws, an imposed exonym) were not declared 'sacred' but they certainly seem highly ceremonial and recent PhD research on their style as well as distribution shows they have specific landscape preferences, possibly in ceremony, ritual and the like Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman So according "what we now know" (as is usually said when honest researchers' work is being denigrated and disparaged, replaced with this current ideologically driven invented culture that never actually existed) the Bradshaws are now 120000 old? Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Oh, “possibly in ceremony and ritual”. Really? Is that why they kept destroying Bradshaw art by scratching and painting stick-figure over them, repeating: "This is just rubbish"? All until they were told that claiming "ownership" of Bradshaw art could come handy for land claims. 1 Jan Holland I have been told by Aboriginal people that Bradshaws are rubbish art, so I know for a fact that was what they thought. Pre $$$$$ of course. 2 Mal Macdonald Jan Holland As with many in the north, have the same view/interpretation of them too! Until recent times, when told about the money & extras that can be gained from a slight change of dreaming & fantasy... They have little respect for much at all .. # as per follows - m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=7840360362656514&id=206884709337489&m_entstream_source=group 1 Mal Macdonald Comical, if you visit it, be aware. To ensure no valuables are left in sight & tour the community afterwards. Really shows the truth of it all... foot note; they prefer american gangster crap graffiti than this supposed icon 1 Vesna Tenodi Ah, so real archaeologists who do proper research are "exotic foreigners"? 3 Vesna Tenodi Finally, we get to Grahame Walsh, who researched both Wanjina and Bradshaw art all his life, and proved both were created by Pre-Aboriginal races, as confirmed - and is still being confirmed by some sincere Aboriginal people. 2 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Walsh did valuable work, but he did get the 'Pre-Aboriginal' hypotesis wrong and there is no empirical proof for this. Also, over 20 years have passed since his death and a great deal of research has been done since then. So a very interesting character who did enormous volumes of work, but also got the issue of Gwion aurthorship wrong, as any reputable rock art scholar will attest. John Singer Sven Ouzman I am getting tired of the people who rely on Graham Walsh as discoverer-mapper and then disparage him. He may not be the Captain Cook of Kimberley Art but he is certainly the Matthew Flinders of it. Also Walsh never suggested that aliens came to the Kimberley made the Bradshaws and then returned home. He implied there was a race of people in the Kimberley who made the art and the were there before the current tribes of Aboriginal people. He died before the discoveries of Homo floresiensis and Homo luzonensis but not before the discoveries at Lake Mungo and Kow Swamp etc Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman So Grahame Walsh is now an "interesting character"? He got the authorship wrong? Just like any other honest researcher who comes to conclusions which do not fit into your ideologically-driven narrative. We are all just "wrong", because the Orwellians say so. How dare you! kzread.info/dash/bejne/lG2e0c6tpcTgg6g.html KZread.COM Bradshaw Rock Art - Who painted it? Bradshaw Rock Art - Who painted it?at why they kept destroying Bradshaw art by scratching and painting stick-figure over them, repeating: "This is just rubbish"? All until they were told that claiming "ownership" of Bradshaw art could come handy for land claims. 1 Jan Holland I have been told by Aboriginal people that Bradshaws are rubbish art, so I know for a fact that was what they thought. Pre $$$$$ of course. 2 Mal Macdonald Jan Holland As with many in the north, have the same view/interpretation of them too! Until recent times, when told about the money & extras that can be gained from a slight change of dreaming & fantasy... They have little respect for much at all .. # as per follows - @t 1 Mal Macdonald Comical, if you visit it, be aware. To ensure no valuables are left in sight & tour the community afterwards. Really shows the truth of it all... foot note; they prefer american gangster crap graffiti than this supposed icon 1 Vesna Tenodi Ah, so real archaeologists who do proper research are "exotic foreigners"? 3 Vesna Tenodi Finally, we get to Grahame Walsh, who researched both Wanjina and Bradshaw art all his life, and proved both were created by Pre-Aboriginal races, as confirmed - and is still being confirmed by some sincere Aboriginal people. 2 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Walsh did valuable work, but he did get the 'Pre-Aboriginal' hypotesis wrong and there is no empirical proof for this. Also, over 20 years have passed since his death and a great deal of research has been done since then. So a very interesting character who did enormous volumes of work, but also got the issue of Gwion aurthorship wrong, as any reputable rock art scholar will attest. John Singer Sven Ouzman I am getting tired of the people who rely on Graham Walsh as discoverer-mapper and then disparage him. He may not be the Captain Cook of Kimberley Art but he is certainly the Matthew Flinders of it. Also Walsh never suggested that aliens came to the Kimberley made the Bradshaws and then returned home. He implied there was a race of people in the Kimberley who made the art and the were there before the current tribes of Aboriginal people. He died before the discoveries of Homo floresiensis and Homo luzonensis but not before the discoveries at Lake Mungo and Kow Swamp etc Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman So Grahame Walsh is now an "interesting character"? He got the authorship wrong? Just like any other honest researcher who comes to conclusions which do not fit into your ideologically-driven narrative. We are all just "wrong", because the Orwellians say so. How dare you! @ @ Bradshaw Rock Art - Who painted it? Bradshaw Rock Art - Who painted it?

COMMENTS 1 of 9 Vesna Tenodi So this starts with politics. And with a false claim that we need "permission" for images which are, legally, in the public domain and everyone is free to use them. 3 Lily McVeigh Crazy stuff. Seriously. Today's aborigines need Sven to analyse what the pictographs mean. 2 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi In a very narrow sense of legal. But we work withina sociallicense and we also acknowledge our Western legalistic notions of images and their usage does not apply to many Indigenous people. We respect theior views on 'images' and work with these. Using works withour permission upsets people, disempowers them, and causes a lot of mental stress and anxiety on possible repercussions from Country. So you are correct - but only in a very narrow legalistic sense ina non-Aboriginal legal system. To useAboriginal rock art without permission simply continues a legacy of colonial domination. 1 Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman this is insulting and racist. "To use Aboriginal rock art without permission simply continues a legacy of colonial domination." 2 Vesna Tenodi Narelle Friar Of course it's insulting and racist, but reverse racism seems to be perfectly okay in contemporary Australia with its aggressive Wokeism. 2 Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman I know I am correct, but the Aboriginal industry is determined to ignore both Australian and international Copyright and Intellectual property laws. Artists using prehistoric themes upsets them? Mental stress? Anxiety? You forgot to mention it's causing them "intergenerational trauma". Am sure the countless billions of taxpayer's money and more land will help them "heal". Oh, wait, they'll never be healed, that would mean they could no longer have a reason to milk the system, and robbing us - non-Aboriginal Aussies - of the country that we have built. 2 Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman "Non-Aboriginal legal system"? Are you claiming that Aborigines had a "legal system"? You must be as deluded as the politician who said that the tribes as were found by the first explorers had a "different economic policy". 1 Lily McVeigh We don't know rock art because it is forbidden for us to see. We are denied access. Back in 1950 my brothers went with dad near Grafton. That cave is now forbidden for us to go to. 2 Vesna Tenodi These days everything is forbidden to those who do not subscribe to this false narrative. 3 Lily McVeigh Vesna Tenodi no the Gumbayngirr have taken over and fenced it off. It is on private property at Seelands up from where we had our farm. 1 Lily McVeigh Gumbayngirr and Budjalung have NT from the mouth of the Clarence River at Yamba...300 metres out to sea. 60 metres either side of the river right up to the head of the river about 60 miles+. 1 Sven Ouzman We definitely need more public rock art sites. Australia is very behind in this respect. One good way to see sites is to approach the native Title Represnetative Body in your area. Murujuga has public rock art to view, as do place sin the Kimberley for those able to travel there. Mal Macdonald Sven Ouzman And, what rock art ( have you personally seen ) in the Kimberley’s that ya been to? Be interested in knowing & if your seen ‘just how much of it’... to compare 1 Royston Wilding Sven seems to accept the claim that the Bradshaw Rock Art was made thousands of years ago by the direct ancestors of modern Aborigines. However he doesn't address, or even acknowledge the fact that recent pre-settlement Aboriginal art is much less detailed or accurate than thousands of years earlier. There are no other examples of humans evolving in reverse, except, perhaps the present day, since with medical, social and economic support, defective humans are reproducing faster than the most advanced.

COMMENTS 7 of 9 Vesna Tenodi We all know there was no transition from Paleolithic to Neolithic. Some indication off Mesolitic, but that’s about all. What the first settlers found in Australia was a typical Old Stone Age culture. 3 Lily McVeigh Thankyou Buon. Yes Pascoe wrote Dark Emu. Yams were the only one. But did not till the soil or sow seeds. Eel traps was hunting. They did not conduct aquaculture. Pascoe considers hunter gatherers not elevated enough. Real aborigines are been insult ed by Pascoe's irreverence. Stone arrangements were for initiation ceremonies. Fires were accidental. Firesticking is not farming. It was a hunting tool, used for fighting the enemy , heating, cooking and cremations. 2 Amy White Bruce Pascoe is Australia’s biggest fraudster. A white man pretending to be black. 2 Amy White Sven Ouzman Active manipulation…You said it! 1 Lily McVeigh Anyone was able to fly the aborigine protest flag . Harold Thomas created the design and as he held copyright since 1974 he rightly sold a License to several companies one being WAM clothing. 2 Sven Ouzman Lily McVeigh Not sure of the question but a useful short read (plus comments) here - @t. @t Don't say the Aboriginal flag was 'freed' - it belongs to us, not the Commonwealth Don't say the Aboriginal flag was 'freed' - it belongs to us, not the Commonwealth Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman lols no one takes The Conversation seriously. It holds no credibility. If the flag belonged to them why didn't Harold give it to them? Oh and the winger-ninjas are complaining that the 'colonials' are at it again - that they haven't got 'their' flag. Vesna Tenodi has been my mentor for 5 years and I have studied Harold Thomas' work on the flag design closely. His friend Joe Lane and his wife Maria- actually made the first flags for protest marches back in the 60's. 2 Amy White Sven Ouzman Many Aborigines are not happy with that flag. Many non aborigine virtue signallers are. 3 Lily McVeigh So if the Bradshaws were done by ancestors why don't they paint similar today? Peter Veth Do we paint the same art as we did 12,000 years ago? All cultures change their art styles through time - especially over thousands of years. Groups in Central America, Italy and the Altai mountains all changed their art styles and themes over hundreds of years let alone thousands. That’s w We all know there was no transition from Phat the archaeology tells us from around the world. The Kimberley art had just lasted for an incredible period of tome. Vesna Tenodi Peter Veth Yes, as Keith Windschuttle would say: "Ancient art created yesterday". Lily McVeigh Peter Veth they do not do cave art any longer. Vesna Tenodi Lily McVeigh Well, some do, and then claim it’s ancient, for land-claim purposes (as happened in the Blue Mountains, where it was established that "sacred, ancient art" was created three years ago. When it comes to Wanjinas, they kept painting over the original Pre-Aborginal art, superimposing some clumsy copies on the original over and over again. Sophisticated Pre-Aboriginal Bradshaw figures they often covered (and ruined) with child-like stick-figures. According to our past researchers, that was Aboriginal way of showing contempt for Pre-Aboriginal races. That "sacred tradition" of vandalising everything they dislike or cannot understand is still very much alive. Sven Ouzman We have dpocumented Traditional Owners making rock art in 2016 and 2017. People still mark place and produce rock art in various parts of Australia. Sometimes it has links to older traditions, sometimes it is new. Themes range from politics to regenration to familia ties and beyond. A fascinating phenomenon and field of study. Read, for example, why people are doing so in their onw words in several publications such as - @t @t We Are Coming to See You - Wunambal Gaambera We Are Coming to See You - Wunambal Gaambera Sven Ouzman Also - @t @t Yornadaiyn Woolagoodja Yornadaiyn Woolagoodja Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman fascinating - the same book company that published Dark Emu lols - Magalaba. 1

COMMENTS 8 of 9 Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman You really should stop now. This page had enough of the Aboriginal industry propaganda. Europeans are much more knowledgeable about the state of affairs in Australia than you assume. As well as artists in other parts of the world, who participate in my Aboriginal Violence Awareness Day (AVAD) held on 10th December every year. You are welcome to join - it's an open call, the only requirement is to use either Wanjina or Bradshaw images, or paint any theme in dot-style. Lily McVeigh Why didn't Harold give the flag design to the aborigines.. Why did we taxpayers have to pay $20 million to Harold Thomas. 2 Sven Ouzman Lily McVeigh See article link above. I do not speak for Harold thomas Amy White Sven Ouzman Iconic aboriginal flag…Goodness me! 1 Amy White Many Aborigines are not happy with that flag. Many non aborigine virtue signallers are. 3 Lily McVeigh I live in Australia and this is politically driven. To suggest Dark Emu is an historically accurate book when it is fiction proves that. 2 Sven Ouzman Lily McVeigh I did not say it was historically accurate but a provocation. Do also read the Walshe and Sutton review i Australian Archaeology. The romantic view of the pristine hunter0gather is as much of a political construct Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Typical Paleolithic nomadic hunter & gatherer culture is what the first settlers found. Nothing "romantic" about groups of naked people roaming around. 2 Sven Ouzman Lily McVeigh See review of Suttona dn Walshe here - www.tandfonline.com/.../10.../03122417.2021.1971373 TANDFONLINE.COM Farmers or Hunter-gatherers? The Dark Emu Debate Farmers or Hunter-gatherers? The Dark Emu Debate Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman I have the book and read it. I am part of the research team here. www.dark-emu-exposed.org DARK-EMU-EXPOSED.ORG Dark Emu Exposed - The Myth of Aboriginal Agriculture? - We Loved Bruce Pascoe's Dark Emu until... Dark Emu Exposed - The Myth of Aboriginal Agriculture? - We Loved Bruce Pascoe's Dark Emu until... 1 Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman how do you mean 'provocation'? Why would I want to read a review of Sutton and Walshe? I highly recommend Peter O'Brien's book 'Bitter Harvest'. 'Bitter Harvest is a comprehensive appraisal of Bruce Pascoe's book Dark Emu. Pascoe postulates that, rather than being a nomadic hunter-gatherer society, Australian Aborigines were actually sedentary agriculturalists with 'skills superior to those of the white colonisers who took their land and despoiled it'.' www.boffinsbooks.com.au/.../bitter-harvest-new... BOFFINSBOOKS.COM.AU Bitter Harvest by Peter O'Brien | Boffins Books Bitter Harvest by Peter O'Brien | Boffins Books 2 Sven Ouzman Narelle Friar Hi Narelle, yes remiss of me not to mention Bitter Harvest. I suggest a reading of that, pascoe, gammage, Walshe and Sutton and you have the spectrum of the dabate well covered. That this debate elicits such strong comments is an indication of a live, important issue. 1 Amy White Sven Ouzman Pascoe was challenged? I would say completely debunked. 1 Amy White Sven Ouzman Bruce Pascoe is Australia’s biggest fraudster. A white man pretending to be black. 2 Peter Veth Thanks Sven - wide ranging and comprehensive. Sven Ouzman Peter Veth Thnaks Peter - most of what was said you were part of ! Peter Veth Cheers - what a wonderful set of studies Sven Ouzman Lily, Narelle and Visna - more than happy to address all your points at length via Zoom or similar rather than be constrained by the limited space of FaceBook comments. Much more human to speak in person or via Zoom. Welcome to mail me on sven.ouzman@uwa.edu.au. My correspondence with you on this Forum is now closed. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman If there is anything you want to say - say it publicly. I am not interested in any behind-the-scenes discussions. It’s much more civilised to speak freely.

COMMENTS 4 of 9 Lily McVeigh Marisa Giorgi the aborigines have approx 60% of the land under Native Title and land claims. The aborigine land councils control everything and the ordinary aborigine has no say. It is political agenda. Sven is paid by Griffith University to stick to the narrative or he will lose his job. Only the brave will risk their careers. 2 Vesna Tenodi Ah, quoting law is now "unethical"? Vesna Tenodi Artists all over the world are now fully aware they do not need to ask anyone for "permission". 1 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Cannot agree with you. Many, many artists go to great lentghs ethically to use Indigenous images. This behaviour is often codified - see @t @t Ethics and Authenticity - Japingka Gallery - Aboriginal Art For Sale Ethics and Authenticity - Japingka Gallery - Aboriginal Art For Sale Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman I was talking about artists in other parts of the world. Of course, in Australia they must comply with quite irrational - and illegal - demands. If not, they would have their art vandalised, their houses trashed, and their lives threatened by groups of Aborigines and Aboriginal "activists". 1 Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman I cannot see any cave art on that link - only appropriated dot style taught by Geoffrey Bardon to the school kids at Papunya - then he showed the adults how to make their sand scratchings more permanent. 2 Sven Ouzman Narelle Friar Hi Narelle,, The code covers al Indigneous art; but see the Arts Law Australia link I provided for applabity to rock art, notable Wandjina/Wanjina - @t @t Protecting the Sacred Wandjina: the Land and Environment Court goes to the Blue Mountains - Arts Law Centre of Australia Protecting the Sacred Wandjina: the Land and Environment Court goes to the Blue Mountains - Arts Law Centre of Australia Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Thank you for posting the link to my case. In the end, my "Wanjina Watchers in the Whispering Stone" sculpture had to be removed because the "stone was too big" hence against the local council's planning law. The Arts Law Centre kept bragging how they "found a loophole in council's by-laws" which enabled the decision for the sculpture to be removed from my own private property. It had nothing to do with Aborigines, but was about the planning laws. The Arts Law Centre lawyer Delwyn Everard publicly lied that Aborigines have copyright of prehistoric images and orchestrated the campaign of hate and violence against me and my artists. Then she promptly retired, when I suggested she should be disbarred for breach of the Code of Conduct for Legal Practitioners. Why don't you post links to good lawyers, such as James d’Apice, who published their objections to the Arts Law despicable lies? The Arts Law is a taxpayer-funded to protect artists' rights, not to indulge every Aboriginal whim. 1 Vesna Tenodi Narelle Friar True. But we are not allowed to mention that Aborigines learned dot-style from white teacher Geoffrey Bardon in 1971. Instead of saying thank-you to the French, who invented Pointillism. 1 Vesna Tenodi Mike Morwood, great Australian archaeologist, admitted it's all nonsense that was invented and enforced by the Aboriginal industry. 1 Marisa Giorgi Vesna Tenodi having worked with Mike I never heard him express this opinion. Vesna Tenodi Marisa Giorgi Mike visited me in 2010 and I have that conversation recorded. Of course you wouldn't know, because he couldn't trust his colleagues. But he trusted me. 1 Lily McVeigh Sven Ouzman So if the Bradshaws were done by ancestors why don't they paint similar today? Peter Veth Lily McVeigh Do we paint the same art as we did 12,000 years ago? All cultures change their art styles through time - especially over thousands of years. Groups in Central America, Italy and the Altai mountains all changed their art styles and themes over hundreds of years let alone thousands. That’s what the archaeology tells us from around the world. The Kimberley art had just lasted for an incredible period of tome. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Trademark is NOT copyright. There is no copyright nor IP laws applicable to prehistoric art. As any honest lawyer specialised in Copyright and IP laws will tell you 3 Vesna Tenodi Everybody has the right to paint and sell Wanjina and Bradshaw images. 3 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Noit according to the Wandjina-Wungurr peoples or Arts Law Australia - see @t @t Protecting The Wandjina - Arts Law Centre of Australia Protecting The Wandjina - Arts Law Centre of Australia

COMMENTS 3 of 9 Vesna Tenodi Peter Veth I don't like being told it's "not true" by anyone who is spitting on Jones-Mulvaney-Thorne research, and installing some geologist as being the only spokesperson when it comes to Australia's prehistoric skeletons. The Aboriginal industry waited for the last of the trio (John Mulvaney) to die, in 2016, and then started spinning those lies, as heard during the Mungo bones “repatriation” ceremony in 2017. The Orwellians knew that Mulvaney wouldn’t leave that charade without strong objections. Last time I spoke with him was short time before his death, and I know exactly what he thought about you and your clique. 3 Peter Veth Vesna Tenodi they were my good colleagues and I’m an archaeologist. Vesna Tenodi Peter Veth So am I. I knew Rhys Jones and John Mulvaney, and was appalled at the treatment they got from their "colleagues". John Mulvaney’s "Prehistory" published in 1967 was heavily redacted, and Rhys Jones was declared to be just an "eccentric" when it comes to Mungo Man being non-aboriginal 68,000+ skelleton. Forty years of their work didn't deserve one word of acknowledgement when Mungo bones were "repatriated". The Jones-Mulvaney-Thorne accurate findings were replaced with a narrative as recently invented by the Aboriginal industry. Peter Brown had to eat a humble pie and say he was "wrong" when establishing that Kow Swamp skulls and skeletons are Homo erectus. Had he refused to say that, he'd lose his job. Together with John Mulvaney, Iain Davidson was also against the destruction of archaeological material, but then switched sides and started singing the Aboriginal industry tune - threatening a legal action against me because I published his letters to the Government as he sent in 1985. In today's political climate hardly anyone would dare to speak the truth. 1 Ros Ross Is there clear evidence that any of the peoples inhabiting the Kimberly for instance when the British arrived to explore this area in the early to mid 19th century, were descended from the first Homo Sapiens to arrive? And what is the evidence which predates the age of politically 'correct' agendas which began in the mid 20th century, and which confuses and colours Aboriginal 'oral' histories and academic research which guarantees that the Aboriginal peoples found in the area in the early 19th century were descended from the original humans? For example, the British got to this area around 1837, and anything recorded between then and say the 1950's would be untainted by the agenda which demands and dictates that Australians with Aboriginal ancestry today are descended from the first Homo Sapiens to arrive in general, including the Kimberley peoples. I don't understand why it is relevant to talk about female researchers unless one wishes to make a case that male and female brains and expertise differ? Surely any 'new' rock art equates with 'new' traditional art forms anywhere, i.e. is by necessity a hybrid of the many influences over the past 234 years. Traditional art is produced around the world but it would be foolish to ignore the influences of the past two centuries. Look for example at the changing styles in Christian religious art. Why would Aboriginal rock art styles have remained isolated from the world in general? Scott Seymour Vesna Tenodi Similar circumstances in Tasmania, the petroglyphs here were not described back in the early 1900's by Indigenous descendants in their 70's and 80's as rubbish but they did say that they had no idea what their meanings were and that they were 'made by the people before us'… Today, however, concerning the area the petroglyphs are in, the professional Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre representatives, the TAC, claim to know exactly what the petroglyphs represent and that the land is sacred and should be returned to them. 1 Vesna Tenodi Scott Seymour Typical. The tribes knew almost nothing about anything, until the Aboriginal industry started inventing it for them. 1 Vesna Tenodi Rhys Jones firmly established existence of advanced Pre-Aboriginal races. 1 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Which he drew back from and that is scholarship from half a decade ago, I suggest current scholarship more accurateltly reflects our state of knowledge. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman Rhys never "drew back from" his findings. There is nothing to be gained from "current" "state of knowledge", since most of it is just politically invented theory, rather than being based on archaeological evidence and objective research. Have you ever seen and/or handled our prehistoric skulls? I guess not, since it is "offensive". Well, am happy to say that I have, and am working with great people who decided never to "repatriate" any of Australian fossilised human remains in their collections, knowing those finds would just be destroyed and lost to science forever. 1 Scott Seymour Sven Ouzman I would suggest in Tasmania at least that the DNA work of John Presser (former Police Forensics) be looked at closer as he was able to demonstrate three waves of migration to Tasmania, each wave unrelated to the others. 1 Marisa Giorgi Lily McVeigh Many countries with continuity of culture require permissions. Vesna Tenodi That's legally incorrect. In fact, it's illegal to demand "permission" for something that is in the public domain. Vesna Tenodi Marisa Giorgi He is presenting recently invented theories, not factual truth. 3 Marisa Giorgi Vesna Tenodi interesting opinion of yours . I am sure his research and that of others will assist in addressing this. 3 Vesna Tenodi Marisa Giorgi Yes, I'm sure that the Aboriginal industry apparatchiks will keep doing their best to mislead and deceive the international community. 3

COMMENTS 6 of 9 Narelle Friar Sven Ouzman who are the rock art scholars today? Any genuine scholar has either lost their job or closed up shop in order to save their career. 1 Sven Ouzman Australia is fortunate to have many rock art scholars here in WA, at Griffith U, Flinders, ANU and so on. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman They obviously haven’t done their homework. There is nothing controversial about rock art “ownership”. No one can “own” an image which is in the public domain. Both Australian and International Copyright and Intellectual Property laws are clear. Rock art in the public domain, so your “partners” need to learn to live with it. John Singer Sven Ouzman If I heard correctly you were boasting how through collaboration they had accumulated about 40,000 photographs of Rock Art. Graham Walsh had at one stage whittled down his collection to 1,200,000 photographs. It was his wish that these were destroyed on his death so they could not be misused, his wishes were not carried out. You may not agree with his conclusions but please recognise him as the greatest recorder of Ancient Rock Art in Australia if not the world. Lily McVeigh @/sven Ouzman I would be interested to follow up. Jan Holland Sven Ouzman And yet, until relatively recently, Kimberley Aboriginals freely and openly said the Bradshaws were "rubbish art" that did not belong to them. The $$$$$ suddenly changed their opinions, and they went from deriding them, to suddenly being the "Traditional owners”… Mal Macdonald Not even the mobs from up here, showed much interest. Until recent years, when learning how to abuse the system real good! And, many of them had to be taught how to do that style of painting. 1 Mal Macdonald And here’s the PROOF OF THY PUDDING;- Sadly, they still do not show respect 4 much at all… Not even their own ! @t 1 Vesna Tenodi Mal Macdonald And they received close to five million dollars of taxpayer's money to build that centre and "share their culture" in the middle of nowhere. Vesna Tenodi George Grey never said that in his diaries, he ascribed Wanjina paintings to advanced Pre-Aboriginal races - as confirmed by Aborigines themselves. 4 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi I sugegst you read the source material. Grey said the authorship was "open to conjecture" - relevant quote "With regard to the age of these paintings we had no clue whatever to guide us. It is certain that they may have been very ancient, ... but, whatever may have been the age of these paintings, it is scarcely probable that they could have been executed by a self-taught savage. Their origin therefore I think must still be open to conjecture. George Grey, 1857. Travel Journal 2." Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman I suggest you read more. Mal Macdonald What drugs is Sven Ouzman on? I will make certain & sure, NEVER TO TOUCH THEM ! ever… 1 Vesna Tenodi Mal Macdonald The drug is called Money - to do the "research" with predetermined conclusions/results and then engineer the way to get to those preset results. Reminds me of that bloke, Duane Hamacher, who received 700,000 dollars of taxpayer's money to write a 4-page "research paper" claiming that - by using electricity - we are committing "cultural genocide"! I suspect the next huge funding will be handed out to those who can "prove" that the Old Stone Age tribes were great astronomers... and the next step will be to include "Aboriginal astronomy" in our schools. Oh, wait, that has already happened. Vesna Tenodi Here we go. The first settlers were "racists". 1 Lily McVeigh Yes I heard that Vesna sheest! 2 Lily McVeigh Dark Emu has been disproven by Peter Sutton and Keryn Walshe. 1 Lily McVeigh Farmers or Hunter Gathers? By Peter Sutton and Keryn Walshe pub 2021. Aborigines were specialised hunter and gatherers. They did not domesticate animals or sow and care for crops. Pascoe fudged the journals. 2 Peter Veth Peter Sutton and Kerryn Walshe actually. Also reviews by Peter Veth, Stephen Bennetts and many others which find issues with Dark Emu. Also serious reviews that see merit in profiling complexity of plant management. Amy White Peter Veth I grew up eating yams…We never replanted anything. 1

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Holy crap, when did I get $700,000???! I did write a short paper on light pollution (not electricity) being a major problem as it erases the stars to which knowledge was mapped out and committed to memory using the method of loci, but I was never given money to do that. I could only wish! And yes, I did write dozens of papers and a best-selling book about Aboriginal astronomy. But money was certainly not the motivation this claim makes. All the book royalties go to charity and I've made nothing from it. So that little "theory" doesn't hold up. Ah well, never disrupt the narrative...

COMMENTS 2 of 9 Vesna Tenodi Royston Wilding Michael Cremo described it well in his book "Human Devolution". Contemporary archaeologists - excluding Australian "experts" who lost all credibility by supporting fraudulent history à la Pascoe - are increasingly in favour of multi-regional origins and cyclic evolution-devolution of human race. Even one of our best prehistorians, Rhys Jones, who was ahead of his time, back in the 1980s promoted that theory, saying that our Aborigines and the (now forbidden) finds such as Mungo Man are perfect example of evolutionary rise and fall cycles. Royston Wilding It seems Sven has succumbed to some of the woke lefty propaganda. 1 Vesna Tenodi Of course Sven wouldn't agree with any proof that flies in the face of the current invented narrative. That's why Michael Cremo's "Forbidden Archaeology" is all but banned in Australia. 1 Sven Ouzman Vesna Tenodi Hi Vesna, Cremo's work is not banned at all, but it does not contain the evidence generated by decades of careful archaeological work, published in the hundreds of peer-reviewed articles. Cremo's wor is not peer-reviewed, so there are not chacks and balances on its veracity. Vesna Tenodi Sven Ouzman I've read the Aboriginal industry reviews of "Forbidden Archaeology". His critics couldn't find a single fault in the book's 940 pages, but attacked him for the first line - which was dedication to Vedanta Society. So they ridiculed Cremo - one of the best archaeologists in the world today - for being a spiritual man. Which is quite funny, since when any Aborigine starts talking about Aboriginal "spirituality", they are treated with admiration and reverence. Hypocrisy at its best. 1 Lily McVeigh Sven why in other countries permission isn't needed? Oh that's right. You said the aborigines today say the rock art has an 'entity'? 3 Matteo Wladimiro Scardovelli I will ask him at the end 2 Vesna Tenodi Matteo Wladimiro Scardovelli Sven seems to be under impression that European archaeologists are completely ignorant of Australian prehistory. 2 Vesna Tenodi Matteo Wladimiro Scardovelli In Australia, archaeologists are forbidden to do proper research. In Europe, prehistoric skulls are properly examined and the Max Planck Institute has been sequencing Aboriginal genome for years - but genetic research of fossilised human remains is forbidden in Australia, for political reasons. 4 Royston Wilding Vesna Tenodi Never ask for permission. A boss of mine told me this a long time ago. If you think it's right, and you are, then no one will care. "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission." This has been one of my guiding principles through life. Vesna Tenodi Royston Wilding And never ask for forgiveness if you are doing nothing wrong. Vesna Tenodi Kimberley tribes got land claim approved solely on the basis of their false claims regarding Wanjinas. 4 Peter Veth Vesna Tenodi Not true. Native title is based on practices and a bundle of rights at Sovereignty - in WA 1829. 12,000 year old art has no role in native title. Contemporary art like Wanjina was used as evidence because it could be dated back to Sovereignty and before and was exercised by claimants. Narelle Friar Peter Veth This is utter nonsense - (are you Australian?) "Native title is based on practices and a bundle of rights at Sovereignty - in WA 1829. 12,000 year old art has no role in native title. Contemporary art like Wanjina was used as evidence because it could be dated back to Sovereignty and before and was exercised by claimants." Native Title on the mainland is a scam. Mabo got title by presenting Haddon's reports which proved continuity with the land by the Melanesians on Murray Island. Haddon's work showed that contemporary aborigines were not the original inhabitants on the mainland and had arrived in several migrations. 1 Peter Veth Vesna Tenodi Untrue. Detailed genealogies, mapping of totemic estates, descent lineages, named camping places and more were collected and admitted as evidence. Not just Wanjina. Multiple lines of evidence that were both accepted and challenged in the federal court and consent determination process. There were very high thresholds to accepting connection - read the court transcripts. Vesna Tenodi Peter Veth Read what the three tribes said after they’ve got the land claim approved - it was all about the Wanjina. 2

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