I had a miniature stroke when you said Jervis bay.... please my guy, it might be spelt Jervis, but its said Jarvis.

@TicketToKnow

11 ай бұрын

Haha thanks for bringing this up. I try VERY HARD to get pronunciations right in my videos. As far as I can tell the community, even within Jervis Bay, is divided on how to pronounce it, with some saying Jervis and some saying Jervis, as you point out. I read a post somewhere that people *from* Jervis say one thing and everyone else says something different. NOT EASY

@kydanoster9027

11 ай бұрын

@@TicketToKnow im from sydney and i have never heard someone pronounce it jervis, everyone here says jarvis

@kydanoster9027

11 ай бұрын

@@TicketToKnow great video btw, don't wanna be 100% negative haha

@JBofBrisbane

11 ай бұрын

No, the locals pronounce it JER-vis. Ever been there?

@JBofBrisbane

11 ай бұрын

@@kydanoster9027 in Sydney, maybe - in Jervis Bay, they say JER-vis.

"Tasmania, the only island state, ringed by ocean" Surely you mean "girt by sea"?

I grew up in New England. I always thought of Canada as being north of me. In fact we used to drive up to Quebec every once in a while to see the sites and that was over a hundred miles north of me. So imagine the mind blowing discovery to find out that more than 50% of Canadians lived further south than I did.

@sancia_

11 ай бұрын

I was very confused for a moment… Australia also has a New England region! It’s in northern NSW, and once tried to become its own country!

@astrospeedcuber

11 ай бұрын

I don't get where the inspiration for this comment comes from

@godfreypigott

11 ай бұрын

@@astrospeedcuber Nice self-referential comment.

@alinaqirizvi1441

11 ай бұрын

@@sancia_ I think it tried to become its own state within Australia not it's own country

@NeilLewis77

11 ай бұрын

ye you all try building a new England. but with out the rain, music, racism and stand up comedy you just cant do it.

These kind of surveying mistakes give character to real life. I love it. And I'm still blown away by how close such vast calculations and navigation got to accuracy back in the day before computers, digital instruments and satellites were a thing.

@neddyladdy

2 жыл бұрын

Computers merely aloow us to make mistakes quicker.

@lsmith6036

11 ай бұрын

I agree

@BuzzyBri

11 ай бұрын

huh?@@neddyladdy

@CaptCorgi

11 ай бұрын

Yeah 127 meters is all things considered, pretty great

@clintonalver2715

11 ай бұрын

​@@CaptCorgiIf you were to travel the 1874km north/south I don't think 0.127km east/west is going to matter.

Wow, really interesting... I can't believe that, as an Australian, I didn't know until today that Tasmania and Victoria actually shared a land border...

@IAmMrGreat

11 ай бұрын

Even more shocking, Denmark and Canada share a land border now :P

@azathoth3700

11 ай бұрын

Prior to watching this video, I would have thought that Tasmania's state boundary would be defined by a distance from its shores, rather than having a straight line sea border like that!

@emmettleyne7421

11 ай бұрын

The Brexit negotiators for the British government didn't realise they had a land border with the EU *allegedly*, so don't feel so bad.

@M3au

11 ай бұрын

Would have been a pain living on Boundary Islet during all the COVID restrictions rubbish.

@Ovenfish

11 ай бұрын

Same! I'm Victorian and I had no idea about that!

Have been to the WA/SA/NT border markers. Can confirm there is two as shown in the video. I rode a bike out from Wingelina remote community and rode the bike around the markers so I could be in all three states in the same 10 seconds. It is the only time I have been into the Northern Territory 😊

@jcwong10

11 ай бұрын

I saw the road in the satelite view shown in this video, and I thought to myself that it must only exist so that people can visit the survey markers.

There is land border between Tasmania and Victoria. And it turns out it’s sealed.

@E4439Qv5

11 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

@Dogmonkey4

11 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

@St.petersEye

11 ай бұрын

The convicts own everything and have the finally say. Like when they tried to destroy the nation with covid.

@12tiger68

10 ай бұрын

KZread really needs a Comment Of The Day award 😆

@samlawrie965

9 ай бұрын

😅

I love the cul-de-sac where you can drive through WA, SA and NT all in one go.

@ValeriePallaoro

4 ай бұрын

That was an hilarious thing to show on the video. Who drives that? And do they do it, 'cause it's fun'?

One which really threw me was the existence of that weird tiny timezone on the Nullarbor at the WA SA border: Perth+45min. I never knew that timezone existed until I was there.

@billolgaau

11 ай бұрын

That one amused me too. Broken Hill in NSW uses SA time & Docker River Aboriginal Community in WA on the Great Central Road uses NT time. You can get caught at "times" if your after fuel.

@fionaanderson5796

10 ай бұрын

​@@billolgaaureally, it would make more sense if Victoria was Sydney minus half an hour (currently Adelaide time). Or even if Sydney was half an hour behind where it is. The longitudinal line the eastern timezone is based on is out in the Pacific. The zenith is meant to be midday, but it's closer to 1pm, particularly in western Vic. It's like we're on permanent daylight savings, and then they add daylight savings to daylight savings. It's hard on nurses and tradies and others with 7am starts. In winter you're starting work in the dark.

@JamesDavy2009

10 ай бұрын

@@fionaanderson5796 Here's a crazy idea: abolish daylight savings entirely.

@fionaanderson5796

10 ай бұрын

@@JamesDavy2009 if we split the difference and keep that summer and winter would be ideal.

@soils1111

10 ай бұрын

I saw that explained by the fact the 1/2 time zone extends into SA by a few Kilometres and this lets the Border Village, on the eastern (SA) side of the border, have the same time as Eucla (and over to Caigunia) on the Western side, otherwise people living 1000km from anyone else in either direction would have clocks 1 1/2 hrs different

Also the Australian tectonic plate has moved a good few metres since the surveys were done so they were always chasing a moving target with meridians (not that they knew)

@lookatthetree978

10 ай бұрын

Isn’t Australia on all on one plate? The oceanic plate?

@karlhendrikse

10 ай бұрын

​@@lookatthetree978Yes and it has moved

"An academic result was not to be sought after with a high and fanciful degree of accuracy" is the most high-falutin' way I've ever heard "Eh, close enough for government work" expressed

@ic_trab

5 ай бұрын

She'll be right mate!

I understood that the 9 km? boundary of South Australia and Victoria has not been fixed and those people living in that small region face quite a few issues with jurisdiction. It was exceptionally bad during Covid when states had different restrictions.

@hens0w

11 ай бұрын

The high court of Australia and on appeal to London the judicial comity of the kings privy counsel fixed the bounty between South Australasia and Victoria just before ww1 it saying that the survey was a good faith effort and should stand despite upgrades in accuracy as they didn't want to have to hear the case next time technology improved (the UK gave a hill 2.5cm and mountain status by updating its understanding of sea level in 2015) None the less during the response to covid internal boundaries in many places caused issues when they suddenly became fiefs. The river boundary is also a bit interesting and less fixed.

@BlackGateofMordor

11 ай бұрын

The farms more closely tied to Renmark in SA than Mildura are more like 30-40km from the border. While fixing the boundary might have been nicer for a few families, it wouldn't have fixed the overall problem (which really should have been to exempt the whole area from restrictions).

@JamesDavy2009

10 ай бұрын

@@hens0w "If there's one case of corona, SHUT THE BORDER!" -Mark McGowan

@valiaudet3415

10 ай бұрын

Was there anyone there that was policing during covid? 😮

Really impressed by how close the Western border lines were, not bad for basically eyeing it😅

As a Victorian, I knew about Boundary Islet, and the deviation on the Murray River, however I didn't know about the 127m difference in the WA/NT/SA border, like all Aussies I thought that one was as straight as it could be, and I didn't know that Norfolk Island voted as part of the ACT. I guess you're not too old to learn something new everyday.

Herd Island, which is part of Tasmania, is further west than any part of Western Australia. It's Island group is a declared National Marine Park Melbourne is the most Southerly city in the world with a population over 1Million.

@Big3Taxi

11 ай бұрын

I misread the fact about Melbourne and thought you'd taken good-hearted sledging of Tassie to the next level! Took a second read to realise you weren't saying Hobart doesn't count as a city, just that it has less than 1 Million people.

@Chapps1941

11 ай бұрын

And has Australia's highest peak. Not Mt Kosciusko

@johnyoung1128

11 ай бұрын

You appear to be mixing up Heard Is with Macquarie Is. Heard and McDonald Islands in the Southern Indian Ocean are an Australian external territory in their own right and is not included in the territory of any Australian State. Macquarie Island in the Southern Pacific Ocean is included in the territory of the State of Tasmania.

@thewaxtaylor

9 ай бұрын

Heard Island is part of the Heard and McDonald Island territory

The main thing to take from this is that you shouldn't trust Australian surveyors 🤣 Back in old times precision was extremely tough to accomplish making surveys expensive. To be only a few hundred meters off across a continent wasn't bad, and half that much was exceptional. In the "new world" of North America the Spaniards were particularly bad at surveying and made many errors leading to legal disputes and illegal killings.

@feliscorax

11 ай бұрын

Not trusting Australian surveyors is why I never answer a phone call.

@007Hutchings

11 ай бұрын

Pfffft Australians amirite?

Wow! Fellow Victorian here. That last fact about the cities hurt my brain! Readjusted everything I thought I'd learned in primary school!

I'm not Australian but I always imagine Perth being further north than it is. I always thought it was closer to half way up the west coast. So it's no surprise to me that Sydney is further south than Perth (for the wrong reason, of sorts)

@ktgs6723

11 ай бұрын

someone from Perth here! Perth being almost in the very south-west corner contributes to making the whole state of WA really weird. WA is the 2nd largest subdivision of a country in the world. Perth has a population of ~2.1 million, the entire state ~2.8 million. So 74% of the population situated in one of the extreme outlying corners and the rest spread out over a massive land area.

@Sikosm

11 ай бұрын

​@@ktgs6723do you know what the largest subdivision is?

@andrewmiller8268

10 ай бұрын

​@@Sikosm in Siberia I believe.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first-level_administrative_divisions_by_area

@joshanderson9391

10 ай бұрын

​@@SikosmThe Sakha Republic part of Russia. It's larger than all of India

While not a border glitch, something that surprises a lot of people is that northernmost California is north of the south end of Canada.

@trk1973

11 ай бұрын

had to check for myself Yes, it is. Northern boundary of California is at 42 deg N and the southern most boundary of Canada bisecting Lake Erie is 41.7 deg N

@sweeterstuff

11 ай бұрын

i thought this said the northernmost point in california is north of the southernmost point of california and that californians were just too stupid to realize north means north

@danielcarroll3358

11 ай бұрын

@@trk1973 And San Francisco is at the latitude of southern Portugal, while San Diego is quite a bit south of Casablanca.

@lavasharkandboygirl9716

11 ай бұрын

That literally cannot be true 😅

@vkdrk

11 ай бұрын

​@@lavasharkandboygirl9716it is true

i love this, finally some new facts to tell my friends who will keep not listening to me because im boring and i talk about geography and linguistics all the time

@meltedplasticarmyguy

11 ай бұрын

I feel your pain. It's history with me. I have a wealth of historical trivia locked away, but my friends couldn't care less.

@ValeriePallaoro

4 ай бұрын

@@meltedplasticarmyguy geology .. js

I couple of years ago I was checking out the Four Corners region of the US on Google maps and was following the borders of the states away from that point. I found that the border of Utah has a "bend" in it for what ever reason - just a slight deviation by a few RCHs. Don't know why it is, but it's weird...

@unitrader403

11 ай бұрын

as usual its the Surveyors "fault".. more than 200 years they were tasked with marking the borer between the States, but with the tools at the time there were unavoidable inaccuracies. When this was noticed several hundred years later it was agreed that the originally marked border is the actual border (including its bends), not the description where the border should be where the position of the Border stones was based on.

@P_RO_

11 ай бұрын

There's a monument there now to prevent it, but as a child me and my siblings all took turns standing on one foot in 4 states at the same time 😁 It was just a granite ground marker back then.

As an Australian who thought i had a decent geographical understanding of Australia, i didn't know any of these facts. Cool Vid.

Yeah that Perth being more north than Sydney fact (and the Adelaide/Canberra fact) was pretty mindblowing.

Great video mate. As a fellow Victorian I was more surprised to learn that Mildura is north of Wollongong. 😮

@stephenpower8723

11 ай бұрын

I was amazed to find out that the northernmost point of Victoria is around the same latitude as Botany Bay and therefore is more northerly than a significant portion of Sydney's metropolitan area.

Good job mate I lived in Canberra for eight years and many people who lived there for a very long time have told me the reason for Jervis Bay was that in the event of a military conflict they wanted the capacity for a naval port for Canberra however, at the same time they moved the ACT itself in land because back in 1913 that was out of range of naval gunfire doesn’t matter these days because of Intercontinental missiles…… And not only that when you buy a house in the ACT you don’t even own the land. The transaction is the same. Everything looks the same on the surface, but you actually are getting a 99 year lease on the land so if the capital Territory wants it back. They can beat you off very easily. …..

@clangerbasher

11 ай бұрын

Wow.

@simonboland

11 ай бұрын

Interesting comment about intercontinental missiles. I've heard there's underground bunkers / tunnels in Canberra and specifically under the Department of Defence building in Russell. I don't know how true that is but I was under the impression that Canberra was a prime target in the cold war and would have been nuked after pine gap.

@thewholls7176

11 ай бұрын

@@simonboland not sure about tunnels, but I know for a fact under Parliament house there’s a massive bunker and in Fyshwick which is next door suburb to Symonston where are used to work. There is another building for the Prime Minister and staff to escape to in the event of a conflict, and it’s chockablock full of computers, and high security bomb protection there used to be news articles reporting on it I forget the name of the street

@MulletSensei

11 ай бұрын

I don’t know if I’ve ever been beaten off by the government but based on house prices, they’ve definitely fucked me.

@br3669

11 ай бұрын

If the government wants you off a certain piece of land, they can do that anyway, anywhere - and they don't even have to wait 99 years. Owning anything really means no more than the government saying "if someone tries to take it off you, we won't let them". They can make an exception if that someone is the government 😁

Just a little comment on the quirk about Norfolk Island. This only came about in 2016. Prior to that the island was actually considered a colony of NSW. Thus their was no federal presence on the island, and the islanders were not entitled to much in the way of federal assistance.

@Emjay_1922

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for this comment. Thought the fact about Norfolk was interesting. But I did think it was part of nsw. Is it better now its linked with ACT?

Though Tasmania is tiny in relation to the rest of the country…it is bigger than 61 sovereign countries. Not a lot of people know that.

In Canada the apparent north-south boundary between the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan is in fact a whole series of jogs about 2km each. Unlike the Australian examples this is the result of careful surveying. Land for settlers was divided into 6 mile squares. That works out fine for the north south dimension, but as one goes north the western edge of the boxes needs to move progressively further west. The weirdness at the southeast corner of Manitoba, at the north-south borderline with the US, is the subject of many videos. That WAS an error. At least in Oz the borderlines were never the result of negotiations with break-away revolutionaries.

Surveying mistakes matter in urban/developed areas, but in the outback, its literally just a line in the sand lol

@Jimizacx

11 ай бұрын

NSW learning they might have to give up hundreds/thousand of square kilometers of sand and rock: 👍

@billolgaau

11 ай бұрын

@@Jimizacx yes but the Vic's have to buy NSW Fishing licence to fish in our Murray River. :o)

And the boundary between NSW and Victoria is not the middle of the Murray River. It's the southern bank. The High Court has held (Ward v R, (1980) 142 CLR 308) that the bank is not the waterline as it happens to be from time but rather the top of the southern bank. That was very important to Mr Ward. He standing at the top of the southern bank when he shot and killed mr Reed, who was standing at the waterline, some feet below. Did the crime happen in Victoria or NSW? The High Court held unanimously that Ward had committed no crime in Victoria. Accordingly his conviction and sentence were set aside. It may sound trivial, but to Mr Ward it was not. In Victoria, the mandatory sentence was the death penalty; in NSW, it was life imprisonment.

@mikespearwood3914

Жыл бұрын

Wow, never heard about this. Surprised Victoria still had the death sentence in 1980!

@doubledee9675

Жыл бұрын

@@mikespearwood3914 Left over from the days when Bolte was Premier - he was notoriously in favour of it. A truly nasty man. Ronald Ryan was executed for the murder of a prison guard during an escape. Almost certainly it was not Ryan who had fired the fatal shot and most likely it was fired by another guard whose aim was astray. Any rate, Bolte was asked by a news reporter what he'd been doing t the time Ryan was hanged. His reply - going through the bathroom doing the 3 s-s. Bolte was a terrible man.

@angelicasmodel

11 ай бұрын

That's a bizarre story! There's some flexibility though. When the NSW / Vic border was closed on new years eve 2020 due to lock down, the next day, my Victorian friends and I boarded a steam cruiser at Echuca. The police didn't care that technically we were entering NSW :-)

@doubledee9675

11 ай бұрын

It's one of those technicalities that pops up from time to time and can really mean something. It was not just a lawyer's trick. The police were probably not aware of the decision. But Bolte was the epitome of a bad, very bad, Liberal Party politician. @@angelicasmodel

@btf_flotsam478

11 ай бұрын

Fun fact: South Australia splits the Murray River with Victoria down the middle, which means that the surveying error gives Victoria partial ownership of the Murray (outside of stuff like oxbow lake shenanigans).

I grew up in Mt Isa and I remember people saying that our closest state capital was Adelaide (they weren't counting Darwin as a territory capital). Its not true, but it is closer than I thought, Brisbane city is only about 20km closer than Adelaide.

@Chapps1941

11 ай бұрын

Adelaide is the closest state capital to Darwin. Then Perth, then Brisbane

@psylenced

10 ай бұрын

Mt Isa -> Brisbane = ~1560 Mt Isa -> Adelaide = ~1580 Brisbane -> Adelaide = ~1590 Almost a perfect triangle.

Another interesting border is Qld - NSW from the Coolongatta/Tweed Heads coast inland. I believe it was designed so that both states got equal share of the watershed from the mountains on the eastern side. And then it follows the dumaresq/macintyre river system from about Texas to Goondiwindi and onto Mungindi.

@Chapps1941

11 ай бұрын

No, the border was supposed to run East West thru Halfway Creek but NSW basically moved the line north.

@JBofBrisbane

11 ай бұрын

Well, the coast from Currumbin Hill down to Coolangatta is effectively in the Tweed Valley, so there's that...

@AlphaGeekgirl

10 ай бұрын

Talking of Mungindi… About 40 years ago, I was in Narrabri, talking to some locals about my weekend trip to what I pronounced as Mungindee They laughed and corrected me and said, “No, it’s in NSW, so it’s pronounced with an “eye” sound on the end” I was confused. But they went on to explain that all the places north of the border, if they end in an “i”, it is pronounced “ee” like Goondiwindi. And everything south of the border in New South Wales, is pronounced “eye”…. like Narrabri, Collarenebri, Quirindi, Boggabri, Wolli Creek, Bondi. I have no clue whether this is true or not. But I just remember it from when I was a kid.

@Chapps1941

10 ай бұрын

@@AlphaGeekgirl l was heading towards Narrabri, along the Pilliga, and l was soing 170kph in the Pug Oiler. I thought I'd slow down to 115kph. Glad l did as _Highway_ came the other way

Through a small surveying error, and a lot of beer, Australia belongs to the US now.

@cjclark2002

2 жыл бұрын

Through a good scuffle, and a lot of intrigue and treaties, America and its holdings now belong to the commonwealth.

@Ethan7s

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjclark2002 BOND!

@treyjenkins5672

2 жыл бұрын

The US reserves the right to claim any country at any time

@craigroaring

Жыл бұрын

@@treyjenkins5672 Except Vietnam

@doodlegassum6959

11 ай бұрын

Well, i for one welcome our new overlords

Great Video. The only one I already knew was the Jervis Bay one.

i feel like one cannot bring up the existence of the ACT without mentioning it is where it is because Melbourne and Sydney couldnt agree with each other so hard they made a new city in-between for the role of the capital.

@SanctuaryLife

11 ай бұрын

It was also done for military reasons, being far from the seas meant it was unable to be bombed or raided.

saw a reaction video on my page and decided to do the right thing and go to the original video, sadly most people obviously didn't do this which is sad. But great video, thanks for the entertainment!

Something that blew my mind a while ago is that the Bourke St Mall in Melbourne is closer to the Murray River than it is to the southern most tip of Mainland Australia. by about 3 kms.

Very enjoyable video, thanks!

As an Australian, I can confirmation these and some were new to me. Also Jarvis bay has some amazing camping spots and beautiful beaches.

That actually helps me understand a lot why Adelaide and Perth are so much warmer than Melbourne! Never realised they are that far north.

Can you do the timezones too? Some of them are completely wacky!

@nicholasvinen

5 ай бұрын

IIRC the onset of daylight saving in Iran is determined annually by "a council of clerics". Makes it hard to write software to determine the time there without internet access...

Nearest equivalents I know of in the US… All of the Northwest Hawaiian island chain (except Midway island, which is a federal territory) is legally part of the city and county of Honolulu. Those (not very inhabited) islands were even part of the Honolulu local phone dialing zone back in the 1990’s. Longest distance local call in the US. Lots of little border offsets in the straight lines in the US. Many are frozen surveying errors, however some are because sometimes Greenwich longitude was used, and sometimes a system of longitude where zero longitude was defined by some marker point in the middle of Washington DC. (Exactly what zero point they used also changed over the years!) The US longitude system puts integer longitudes about 0.04 degrees West of the Greenwich ones. This is why the Eastern border of New Mexico offsets at the boundary between the Texas and Oklahoma panhandles. The survey system changes there. It’s a “make up your mind which you are going to use” error. It is why many North-South US borders are displaced slightly West of where people think they should be. That long tilted section in the Eastern border of Oklahoma was a result of an Indian nation successfully winning in court. Hey, we don’t care that you claim it’s a mistake now, you are NOT taking back land you promised to us and giving it to Arkansas! The Oklahoma panhandle was chopped off of Texas. Texas had to give it up in order to legally keep slavery. (Turns out there was a HUGE natural gas field under that strip of land.) The Southern border of Michigan is a result of two different political compromises clashing with each other. The border around Isle Royale in Lake Superior is a result of Benjamin Franklin tricking the British… Canada sometimes did not want to break up already surveyed townships so some tilted Canadian borders have lots of steps in them. Saskatchewan and Manitoba is a good example. But my favorite is the circular arc at the top of Delaware. How often do politicians decide to set a border with a circle instead of a line?!

Supposedly there is a path from ACT to Jervis Bay to allow ACT civilians to escape if there was a war or something. Also all capital cities needed a port which was bit difficult to do for the ACT. It would have been much better if they put the ACT on the coast, warmer winters, milder summers and not 3hrs drive to go to the beach, but someone was paranoid and needed the states capital to be safe from sea attack or something (or perhaps more sheep were needed?). The best bit of quackery was the rail gauges from each state were different to avoid states stealing competition some real short sightedness back then.

Some really beautiful country around the WA, NT, SA boarder. And yeas I have been to all these state boarders took 10,000 km to do it.

The Tasmania-Victoria Land Border reminds me of a small quirk in Canada, Where Newfoundland & Labrador actually shares a border with Nunavut, because there's a tiny island in the far north of Labrador split between the two.

I think that the left-side outline of Australia (2:30) looks a lot like the head of a lioness, especially when the map is tawny colored like the one used in this video.

@shanemiles8473

11 ай бұрын

and the right side is a rabbit....

Imagine if those surveyors built a tunnel and dug from opposite ends. You could end up with a 90 degree bend in the middle of the tunnel. Should sell these facts to organisers of pub trivia nights. Everyone would have their minds blown for example that Tasmania and Victoria share a land border. Everyone just assumes that Victoria's southern border and Tasmania's northern border ends at the coast line and everything else in in Bass strait.

@JBofBrisbane

11 ай бұрын

Or two tunnels!

Also South Australia seems to be further north than Victoria and Tasmania. Great video.

@TylerMarkRichardson

Жыл бұрын

Sa used to contain Nt too

@idjles

11 ай бұрын

Adelaide is directly south of Mount Fuji and further south than the southern-most tip of Africa - the Cape of Good Hope.

@Chapps1941

11 ай бұрын

​@@idjlesjust

What I got out of this: Queensland, you're perfect. Keep doing what you do.

The UK has similar quirks. Edinburgh is West of Bristol. There's also a point- I believe it's Strone Point on the Cowal Peninsula on the River Clyde where a direct line South will hit no land till the North Coast of Spain.

Wow! I had no idea! Gotta luv how Vic said YeahNah... A lot like todays way, Tx for sharing

Fascinating. I had heard once, while holidaying on the Murray R. near the town of Barmah, that there was a place nearby in which Victoria was extended to the northern bank of the Murray. Now I know why. One point re borders that bugged me (still does, actually) is how come Vic. / NSW border doesn't go on a level line to the coast where the Murray R. starts in the mountains

Canberra and ACT is also exactly halfway between Sydney and Melbourne because they were beefing over who gets to be capital

@robgreive3657

9 ай бұрын

It's closer to Sydney.

Wow New Zealand's Big West Island is interesting for sure.

If the boundary island issue is wierd check the NSW QLD border. Its not the Tweed River. So Coolangatta is a blend of jurisdictions. Council rates, garbage and land tac confusion.. Covid borders were a nightmare when qld closed its border.

@gardnep

11 ай бұрын

My daughter went to visit her in-laws in Queensland during Covid, in Coolangatta they could walk the 20m across the road to change states.

@paulqueripel3493

11 ай бұрын

There's a town on the the USA Canada border , the border is the middle of the high street. The border also goes through the middle of a public library, which begs the question of if one country bans a book would they move it to the other side, in the wrong section.

@johnyoung1128

11 ай бұрын

How did they manage with Coolangatta airport which sits astride the border?

Love learning more about our beautiful country!

Adelaide being North of Canberra is Australia's equivalent of Edinburgh being west of Liverpool.

@WATsunami

Жыл бұрын

(checks map...)

@Ggdivhjkjl

11 ай бұрын

We're going down to Liverpool and doing other things.

@petuniasevan

11 ай бұрын

And Los Angeles is farther east than Las Vegas.

@PiousMoltar

11 ай бұрын

Interesting. It's even west of Bristol (because so is Liverpool). In fact it seems to be pretty much directly north of Cardiff. On a similar note, Newcastle is west of Nottingham (and considerably west of London)

@momolovesyou9969

11 ай бұрын

​@@petuniasevanno it isn't

"She'll be alright, mate!" Is spot on and most aussie thing ever.

Boundary lines based on longitude are hard. latitude is (relatively) easy, surveyor just use sun-shots. Longitude (per-satellite) require clocks, and a minute is a mile.

Lingiari is pronounced without a hard G. Listen to From Little Things Big Things Grow if you're confused. Or also if you're not confused because it's a beautiful song.

Nice one, love the little fun facts thrown in that Adelaide is north of Canberra and Perth is north of Sydney!

@LeighR123

10 ай бұрын

And Adelaide is entirely south of Sydney!

There are state lines in the USA like this, too; such as the border between Utah and Colorado. Many of the straight-line borders are slightly wobbly (though you won't see this one maps) because the original survey results were accepted as the legal truth, rather than the "spirit" of them which was following the meridians precisely.

There's some really interesting stuff on this channel, enough to make me tick and subscribe anyway :)

Other interesting things. The Guinness Book of World Records says that Los Angeles full name is, El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula. Translated into English, "The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of Porciúncula". New Zealand was an original state of Australia and is mentioned as much in the Australian constitution.

@johnyoung1128

11 ай бұрын

New Zealand was never a state of Australia or a part of one. It was once part of the Colony of New South Wales before being declared a colony in its own right.

@GoodWhinger

Күн бұрын

NZ was never a state but was expected (by some) to be. Because of its place in the Constitution, it can become a state by its own choosing and we Aussies would have to accept it. It's also worth noting that around Parliament House the main roads are named after state capitals and there was to be a Wellington Avenue. However, NZ bailed out before the name had been gazetted and it was named Canberra Ave instead.

@SauronsEye

23 сағат бұрын

@@GoodWhinger AUSTRALIA’S CONSTITUTION The States shall mean such of the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, and South Australia, including the northern territory of South Australia, as for the time being are parts of the Commonwealth, and such colonies or territories as may be admitted into or established by the Commonwealth as States; and each of such parts of the Commonwealth shall be called a State.

Christmas Island is a WA territory but as mentioned is part of NT for federal representation

@djt6012

Жыл бұрын

It is a Federal territory, but some of the duties are handled by the WA government, with the cost going to Canberra.

@WillKemp

11 ай бұрын

And Norfolk Island is administered by NSW for some purposes, I believe

Surveying errors are pretty common. Colorado was supposed to be a rectangle but has numerous small surveying errors all over the border.

@jcwong10

11 ай бұрын

Lake Tahoe was supposed to be in Nevada. Now it gets patrolled by the Coast Guard.

Wanna know about funny border regions? Check out Point Roberts, WA in the USA. In order to leave Port Roberts by land, you can to enter Canada and drive for 45 minutes back down to Washington state. The reason is also due to inaccurate surveying.

I suspect the reason they lump regions in with territories is for the Senate. It's worth noting that the territories have no role in governing the regions, which are managed by the Federal government (or, in Norfolk's case, self-government).

@johnyoung1128

11 ай бұрын

Norfolk Is lost its self governing status when it was brought into the rest of Australia for taxation purposes.

I enjoyed your videos thank you for the upload.

I have been to most of these corners including Poepples Corner (SA, QLD, NT) in the Simpson Desert (many times) it was moved from the middle of a dry lake to the correct spot. Surveyors General Corner ( WA,SA,NT) has the two seperate posts. The early Suveyors used a fisical Chain to measure & with wear & use the inacuarcies came in.

@JBofBrisbane

11 ай бұрын

*physical.

I didn't know most of this but absolutely none of it surprises me.

Excellent video. I just subscribed to your channel as a result.

Great video. Thanks

Love love this content.

Sometime last year I found out about the whole Jervis Bay thing and it blew my mind. I lived in Goulburn for a bit and the capital was only a short drive away, only to end up moving further down the coast and ending up half an hour away from the capital, again. If I ever move state I'll probably end up living somewhere only to find out that the ACT has territory nearby as well. You just can't escape Canberra, god damn.

Congratulations on correctly identifying the Jervis Bay Territory as different to the ACT. Not a lot of people get that right.

@Elriuhilu

11 ай бұрын

And pronouncing Jervis correctly.

@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music

11 ай бұрын

Why would the capital city need its own (and disconnected) port?

@shade270

11 ай бұрын

Because otherwise it'd be the only major Australian city without a port @@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music

@PeterKelley

11 ай бұрын

@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music I believe it has to do with the Navy. Canberra is home to a lot of Defence facilities.

@thepotatoportal69

11 ай бұрын

@@Elriuhilu How do your pronounce Jervis incorrectly?

not going to lie that last one about Perth being higher then Sydney messed me up i had to go have a look

Ah, but what about the weirdness of the South Australian/Victorian border down in the far southwest corner near Nelson? Just at a spot called Donovans, the Glenelg River (other wise wholly in Victoria) loops out past the agreed border line creating a sliver of land that is technically in SA but cannot be reached from SA other than by river. There are no roads on the Victorian side. It is obviously a survey error. The border should have been a smidge to the west. Like, maybe at most a hundred metres or so. With zero ability to enforce building regulations, being beyond the legal reach of Victoria and the practical reach of SA authorities, a crop of fishing shacks has arisen. One recently sold for close to $500k.

Isn't the island the fastest moving landmass in the world to, so those borders may have moved also

Great video👍

I can see why they kept the Victorian border where it is today. If they had moved it to match the NSW/Sa border then there would have been a bit of Victoria cut off from the rest of the state, directly below where the NSW/SA border hits the Murray, where it currently stands is much cleaner.

Super cool! Nice!

Not sure how to put my finger on it. But it looks and sounds like this whole thing was done in voiceover and then he went back and mouthed his lips to the words lol.

Have you ever heard Sykes-Picot?

Wow! As a fellow Tasweigan, i did not know about that little rock that sorta gives us direct domicile to Vic! Thanks for that tidbit mate!

This is excellent!

That was cool, thanks!

It brings to mind the old saying, "Close enough for government work."

@trk1973

11 ай бұрын

technology of theodolites, star books and chronometers of the time. And the lack of a means to do a closing check shot. The reason the borders stand is because it could be changed endlessly with the improvements in technology of GPS and the tectonic shifting of the Australian landmass

Fun fact. Victoria's northern border was at one point planned to be the Murrumbidgee, which would mean the ACT would straddle the border between VIC and NSW, but NSW had a whinge about it.

@telebubba5527

11 ай бұрын

And rightly so.... 😝

@fionaanderson5796

10 ай бұрын

But of course they (NSW) kept the capital instead of it moving to remain on the border. The ACT being at Albury Wodonga would make far more sense.

Nice one👍🏼

At the end you said "Adelaide is North of Canberra". It should be phrased as "Adelaide is further North than Canberra". The former implies direction, the latter implies position.

Thank you; and yes, not until I had a friend who lived in Perth did I even concern myself about where it was; cause we talk, now, about weather patterns etc and he's all, 'but it's soo sunny and warm' and I'm all, 'but why, you're not that much closer to the equator and yet ... here we are. Damn. Melbourne and Perth .. not just different cities, js

Most people don't realise that any line which follows a parallel of latitude is not straight (other than the equator). The shortest distance between two points on the same parallel of latitude is not along that parallel (again, other than the equator).

"Electorate of Bean" 💀

@MrJem357

11 ай бұрын

That`s, Mr. to you.😂😂

Great vid, Bruce

Wow... I actually didn't know most of this! I guess I should have paid more attention in school 🤣

As an Aussie, this seems completely normal to me

The border between Victoria and South Australia is not straight between the coast and the Murray River. Victoria allocated land that was actually in South Australia before federation.

Great video

This was interesting. I was hoping you where going to touch on why here in Qld there’s a chunk missing on the SW border. Well not missing but why it’s not a 90° corner.