Great interview. No interruptions, Fact How come nobody else do this

I have watched both LIV events. It isn't very exciting compared to a major but it feels pretty similar to the John Deer. I am going to the LIV event in Chicago. I am curious what it will be like.

Travis, what a great interview. Keep up the good work, we have very interesting times ahead of us.

Obviously there are arguments on both sides as to the "remedies" of the PGA against "rogue" PGA members. That said, at the end of the day this is not complicated. Follow the money. The players have been enticed by extraordinary $ and arguably better playing conditions. A competitor has poached them not unlike what happens in the business world. I can hardly blame someone for accepting a raise and guaranteed income regardless of result. My beef if I have one...is why don't they just say as much. To couch it in terms of "its good for the game of golf"..blah blah....even if true...is not why they are going to LIV. If the $ wasn't there they wouldn't be there.

@josephrostkowski8631

2 жыл бұрын

Without a union , players are going to try to create a new market,but PGA pockets run deeper and I highly doubt these players will use personal assets to make their point! XFL

@hart63

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephrostkowski8631 this was the idea of Saudi Arabia and they came to the man who was in the most debt. Aka the Mick. Saudi thought of this recruited Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman they couldn't get Greg Maddux nor Ohtani,Trout,

@coobay4786

2 жыл бұрын

My biggest beef with this whole thing is the media. One week your a great player and they can't say enough good things about you and the next week you join LIV and they portray you as a washed up has-been. The golf media has joined the ranks of main stream media. We'll see how they like being referred to as THE FAKE GOLF NEWS.

@JJJJ-dc3np

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. If the money was EXACTLY the same LIV would still be the best choice. By far. Less hours, no cut, new locations, more spectators, stronger field than 30+ PGA events.

@petebellamy3505

Жыл бұрын

Yet only 48 spots. Stop believing LIV is in this for the better of the players. Greg Norman and the. saudis have an agenda and it isn’t for the betterment of the game. It isn’t about choice as LIV tourneys are mandatory for the players. Pga has 15 min but players can choose which ones.

To me this is all fascinating. Very rarely is there an opportunity to get to see WHO these people really are and what they’re about. Great interview with Ginsberg. Learned a lot.

Fantastic interview Travis. I enjoyed Mr Ginsberg's insight and perspective on how this might play out.

Excellent interview. One of the very few people/interviewers that actually listens.

@chrisandalliehoppebudd4190

2 жыл бұрын

It really makes such a difference

Anyone have a view about the following….my understanding is PGA members must play at least 15 events a year to keep their card. So why can’t a player do that and play the LIV at the same time. There are enough events to accommodate that.

@TheDjcarter1966

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is a lot of players have exemptions and can get sponsors exemptions so they can bypass these rules.

@berkit1

2 жыл бұрын

That has been the position all this time. Many European tour pros are members of both the US PGA tour and DP World Tour so long as they play the minimum number of times. Kaymer lost his when he failed to play the minimum a few years ago. The difference now is the PGA perceive the LIV Tour as a threat and do not want to accept it. It's simply about politics and power. The Saudi connection human rights blah blah is just a red herring. No complains when the Euro tour event for men and ladies was held in Saudi

As a fan and a player,I’m all in on Liv golf. I believe the pga will hurt itself with these ridiculous bans, lifetime bans and so on. It’s always about the money that’s why it’s called professional golf.

Innovation is the key factor here, golf needs it in order to sustain future engagement for both players and spectators.

splendid ~ Travis.

The PGA has suspended players in LIV when get to the eti grites in court the PGA is on thin ice, players are indepent contractors and PGA will loose any law suit. In next few weeks / monthe i predict many more player will go to LIV tour.

LIV is like the Hotel California, "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave". (Play solo over what happened to WP journalist.) Hope the Shark and Phil can find a way out. "There she stood in the doorway" ($$MONEY$$) "I was thinking to myself this could be heaven and this could be hell". This is getting interesting indeed. Great channel.

really well conducted interview and knowledgeable guest who explained complex legal issues in an understandable manner. thanks

Play this at 1.5 x the speed.

This is how I see the problem for antitrust purposes. The PGA tour will claim that it needs to require releases and control the number and timing of them to be able to assure sponsors that there is a likelihood (not a guarantee) that there will be a sufficient number of “name” players playing at a given event. If it can’t do that, the tour’s attractiveness to sponsors, at least in “lesser” events, could become impaired, with bad consequences. Suppose LIV went opposite PGA Event A and secured the top 25 top names for a LIV event with a combo of appearance fees and purse, thereby greatly reducing the value of that sponsorship to a company that put its name on it? So merely requiring players to play 15 events isn’t going to protect the PGA Tour from a LIV offensive that could pick off a lot of its tournaments. That’s the PGA argument that I think it will have to make. However, the Tour may have gone too far in issuing a blanket denial to any player for any LIV event, trying to strangle the LIV baby in the crib. That could be a big problem.

FACE IT FREE AGENCY HAS COME TO GOLF !!!!!!

Player should be allowed to play anywhere they want obviously if more people are committed to the PGA and they're playing more tournaments in the PGA then they maybe will be able to earn more rights to keep their supposed status so if you're not playing as many tournaments you could jeopardize having your card as far as majors go I'm very curious how that's going to work because DJ has qualified for majors for a while now and given that he is a masters and I forget what other major he won but he's won at least two and that qualifies him for a lot in the future I think 5 years of exemption. I'll be interested to see how the PGA reacts to players like DJ. I think the PGA should just stay pat and allow players to go play anywhere eventually these alternative tours will probably not make it and then all the players will come back.

Sorry, how is the PGA a nonprofit organization?

@vicchico9322

2 жыл бұрын

NFL is too

@winthorpetrois

2 жыл бұрын

@@vicchico9322 That's total BS. They do nothing except for profit.

@marioarguello6989

2 жыл бұрын

@@winthorpetrois You easily deceived fool; they, and every "charity" you can imagine are nonprofit organizations, that's a legal standing. The people running them make a killing off these nonprofit organizations.

@jacobjorgenson9285

2 жыл бұрын

PGA changed that a few years ago I think

@tarmbruster1

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Well, Ginsburg says they’re not. And…. They’re not.

I’m not sure the US has much of a “moral high ground” when it comes to human rights. If you’re a capitalist then you’d have to agree that competition is good for the consumer. The problem resides in the PGA not having foreseen the possibility of a competing organization. At the end of the day money will do the ‘talking’, the PGA will have to modify its stance, and the potential for most similar organizations to lose their 501(c)3 status. These are the times in which we live.

Why is everyone ignoring the tournament Harold Varner just won, funded from the same pool? No complaints there. Is this a Norman thing? Anyone beating course designers up for working for the Saudi’s?

IF I WAS PLAYING CORN FERRY MY APPLICATION WOULD ALREADY BE IN WITH LIV GOLF

@petebellamy3505

Жыл бұрын

Do you forget that that only have 48 spots.

On Sunday I watch NFL on redzone channel. Why can't LIV have a channel. I pay extra for red zone.

Now you are seeing why the cost of concessions and other things sold at PGA Tour events are sky-high. The money has to come from somewhere.

@STELLASCUTENESS

2 жыл бұрын

None (or nearly none)of the money comes from concessions. Concessions are expensive because of the cost of doing business.

Leaving the ethics of working with the Saudis out of the argument is shocking. Do we have ZERO morals in the face of greed?

Bottom Who looses sponsorship,let’s hear ping,under armor,titelist,callaway,Nike,cobra,etc options?

Get used to it PGA - they now have their own version of "Free Agency"! Football, baseball & basketball have all fought it in the past and lost. Time to join the club!

@petebellamy3505

Жыл бұрын

Yes but those players have free agency between teams in the same league but not between leagues. I know you know there is a difference

if they're contractors, 2 questions... could the pga tour choose not to renew contracts with certain players? is that not their choice? at least for pga tour events... secondly, can "contractors" get a pension/retirement funded by the pga tour? i believe the pga tour funds their players pensions... and since the majors are mostly based on owgr, getting points to qualify for the majors would be difficult, but not impossible. additionally, other sports have limitations on the players. for example, in MMA, you cannot have a contract with UFC and one of the other promoters. i don't think players in the NFL could choose to play in the canadian football league and the NFL at the same time. numerous examples of this scenario.

@terryweller1233

2 жыл бұрын

The players are independent contractors as regards the PGA Tour, not contractors. There is no contract between them and the PGA. While this is true, the PGA can provide certain benefits such as contributing to a player's retirement plan if it chooses as an inducement to have players play in their events. The reason NFL, NBA, MLB players can not play for another league is because they have an emplooyee/employer relationship with their team. This is very different than being an independent contractor such as with the PGA situation. Generally, independent contractors (the players) have the right to play when/where they want due to their non-employment status with the organization. The PGA is attempting to make the case that they can control the players right to choose where they want to play as if there were an employee/employer relationship.

BRYSON, Perry, too

The rubber is about to hit the road with fed ex coming up . DJ has resigned from tour but the law suits are pending.

The PGA need to take better care of this fan and the PGA card holder. It costs a lot of money for PGA car holder. Some of these player charge you retain their card barely can get by. I like to see the PGA guarantee a big approach for these player

@carlmessalle473

2 жыл бұрын

….but they can’t. As a non profit, they can’t have guaranteed contract employees vs treat them as independent contractors. PGA wants to have best of both worlds but can’t.

@dalerobinson535

2 жыл бұрын

Robert ! All they have is Tiger Woods !!! I saw him on television riding a golf cart !!! The PGA television ratings are down ! More PGA tour players are going to LIV Golf. What is the PGA going to do? Continue to wheel Tiger Woods out in a wheelchair to boost ratings with pass glories. The PGA is delusional !!! These are grown man not little boys being told what to do. Jay needs to stop the Americanism grand standing about. blood Saudi Money

nice interview....your channel's ads every 2 seconds distract from your content

@winthorpetrois

2 жыл бұрын

No ads for me.

Did DJ getting 125 million have to agree to play all 8 tournaments this year and/ or a set number of tournaments next two years , if so don’t sound like independent contractor to me. They surely didn’t give that money and say show up if you want independent contractor.

@justinleonor1592

2 жыл бұрын

$125 million guaranteed? Is this not a no brainer to you? Why not?

@scottblanton3182

2 жыл бұрын

8 tournaments this year, when it's 40 to 45 in 5 years, and no you don't have a choice whether you want to play or not, they'll wish they were independent contractors, I can see these guys complaining to the financiers and being told do you want to keep your hands?

@milan.2412

2 жыл бұрын

No Mark, but he is free to play in other tournaments on different dates. That is an independent contractor. Are you guys really this dumb in real life too?

@milan.2412

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottblanton3182 Scott, you too. Read my comment. What type of half logic are you applying? Start using that thing under your skull.

@scottblanton3182

2 жыл бұрын

@@milan.2412 when something sounds to good to be true, it usually is, this league hasn't shown us it bi-laws and rules until they do, we don't know how it's set up. These players think all I have to do is play 8 tournaments make 100-200 million, but when they have to play more tournaments will they be whining about spending time with my family? I don't understand why people want the future of pro golf to lay with the people that control the bulk of our oil supply and are only interested in sportswashing, you use your brain for a change

It’s all about the TV money.

@yuppiehi

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all. The LIV Tour is 100-percent streamed over the Internet. No TV network contracts.

It is the PGA who loses, if they turn away players that are popular with fans. It is the PGA who loses if they do not consider how fans feel about this, and go against fan wishes. Without fans, the PGA is nothing.

@amarug

2 жыл бұрын

truth!

@teressaabbott855

2 жыл бұрын

They're also nothing without any players

"I'm not sure they (PGA Tour) are getting the best legal advice". Well, I'm not sure either Peter. This is very complicated and can now only be resolved in court, given that the PGA/Monahan has foolishly jumped headfirst into this anti-competition rhetoric. Especially the lifetime bans.

All the fed ex cup money came from Saudi Arabia tho...

Great job as the interviewer. The reference to political argument as an upside for the PGA seems a reach at best. NBA stance against China a couple of years ago??? Hypocrisy is too thick

Independent contractors? Yet have a retirement plan through the pga?

@paulo5258

2 жыл бұрын

Independent contractors don't pay entry fees to participate in work with no guarantee of compensation.

Listening to this guy whistle his S and C’s is rough!

Why isn't Jack Nichlos being shamed by the PGA he is building a golf course in Saudi Arabia?

@macdaddyblues1

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't know how to spell the name of the greatest player of all time, maybe you should not be questioning anything about golf?

@pjpredhomme7699

2 жыл бұрын

if they are dumb enough to pay him to build one of his shitty golf courses it is their fault - they will be digging it up before too long - -have you ever heard someone say they like playing one of his courses - been around for over 50 years and have never heard one

@fischputza

2 жыл бұрын

Jack was brilliant in "The Shining"

@marioarguello6989

2 жыл бұрын

@@fischputza That was Nichloson, his son.

@fischputza

2 жыл бұрын

@@marioarguello6989 I see, must be from Iceland then

Monaghan, needs…. more…. Uh, dexterity.

Counselor: there is a huge political outcry. My question: aren’t players bound by their voluntary signatures on agreements with the PGA Tour?

@davidmurray6176

Жыл бұрын

LIV is making a new league that wants to have its players earn points towards playing majors. Independent contractor,sponsors exemptions. It going be a mess and the Sharks are circling the PGA.

Anyone else sick of these PGA Tour fans that talk about the PGA Tours great heritage and storied history. These people need to wake up. Those days are long gone. The PC woke creeps have taken over.

@TheArenaRevised

2 жыл бұрын

Wait. . .what?!?!

@giii7599

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArenaRevised What do you not understand?

Fell asleep after 2 minutes

Uh, no. NBA never criticized China's human rights abuses. In fact, they suppressed any criticism of China by players and fans.

The biggest joke is calling PGA Pros “Independent Contractors”. That’s bullshit and it’s showing up right now. The Pros are independent as long as they play For, not On the PGA Tour.

One person can drive for both Uber and Lyft with the same car - pretty much the same situation, right?

@ericcraw

2 жыл бұрын

Going forward, I think OWGR points for these events are the only real longer-term concern for top players.

Players on LIV are no longer independent contractors they must play the events or they breach contract

last time i watch one of ur videos...too many ads

like me i kept tweeting an telling PGA how is it fair to everyone me watching Tiger taking pain pills on course to play that is GAME INHANCEMENT cause i have to take them in order to play ..but was allowed to win the masters doing so...Phil earned a lifetime member ship he dont have to play to keep that right? Tiger got one also an not play over a year.I think PHIL about to GET LOTTTT OF ZERO's in lawsuit if they try to stop him playing in Majors

It is quite common for independent contractors to have work restrictions while they are working for their "contractor" and also for a year or two after their job ends (depending on the circumstances - unless they live in a liberal anti-business state like California that prohibits enforcement of such a restrictive covenant. Also, the players are tour members that aside from agreeing to contractual restrictions , they are aside from being an independent contractor, they are also your members that agreed to and are technically part of the rule making process. Restrictive work covenants (depending on circumstances) are quite common in independent contractor relationships. Freedom of contract which is a free market principle, none of the players had to sign their tour contracts or agree to the tour rules when they joined...Too many misinformed fans....

Exactly. Players are free agents. Suspending them From Pga tour events will hurt and devalue Pga in the long term. Most players in Liv have resigned from Pga who don't control Majors so Pga will now be the losers. Dumb

All of these discussions are somewhat interesting but until we openly recognize the fact that this I about one thing and one thing only MONEY 🤑we are spinning our wheels. At the center of this we have. Two name players DJ and PHILand the rest are players obviously past their prime to put it mildly mildly, or no names who could have only dreamed of making that much money playing eight tournaments a year. My opinion is that nobody will watch the 48 who have chosen to play, and the only one's who really care are the players and their families. It's the only time a loser can become a winner by saying yes.🤑💯

Of course there bashing it there terrified poor monopoly going to get bashed

I'd rather watch DJ than a bunch of non athletic nanny boys

@tarmbruster1

2 жыл бұрын

DJ against who?

@freedomrulesjavier3904

2 жыл бұрын

@@tarmbruster1 exactly

Everyone wants to tell others how to spend their money and why they should be playing golf. For these guys golf is their job. Sure, history and tradition is important, but have every right to take more money from a other competitor, just like most other would if another company offers more money, guarantees and more time off. This whole human rights arguement by the PGA doesnt hold water. PGA just wants to keep their monopoly. They should focus on improving/updating more of their archaic rules and style of play. The PGA has poor ratings overall and is not growing, look at the stats. Now they see LIV coming in and they are worried; declining ratings, except when Tiger plays, and now competition on their home field.

Look at the response Phil got at the US Open. On each hole he was Cheered. For 2,days they cheered. If Jay M walked the course I would bet he would have been booed. That should tell you who's going to win. PGA has already lost!

@petebellamy3505

Жыл бұрын

You are smoking crack if you think Phil hasn’t lost a lot of respect from fans the past year.

Monahan is trying to protect the PGA by keeping some good players. Let's see if Sadie's got players not known and never seen and put all that money in the tour nobody would watch .people watch there heroes tiger Phil and Rory. Nobody would watch .cso there going for the best and piling money on them most will never make that much money so they go to liv. Nobody in his right mind would let go of there best players.

We support “freedom” but U can’t play in Saudi 😂

@twins7599

2 жыл бұрын

They support child slavery,terrorism, knew about 9/11. Go take there $$$$$$$

@jacobjorgenson9285

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t mention Iraq

@glenngouldification

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t support chopping up people !

@TheGolfCommunity1

2 жыл бұрын

@@glenngouldification oh when it comes to senseless killing, America is No.1 for that

Greenberg talks about people doing things for money is laughable.

I, for one, am tired of the same old tournaments every year all the time. LIV Golf provides the variety we as golfers like to see. The two tours should be able to coincide as the Asian and DP World tours do. If they’re worried about “blood money” of the Saudis, the PGA Tour under Finchem gave millions of dollars yo the Clinton Foundation which is as crooked an organization as they come. Ya don’t think twice when you’re filling your car up with gas which we buy from the Saudis. These hypocrites at the PGA Tour and namely Rory McIlroy need to back off their high horse.

@jacobjorgenson9285

2 жыл бұрын

Almost as if the US has not killed millions of innocent brown people around the world

@bobbymcglathery4468

2 жыл бұрын

Jeff you wrote "LIV Golf provides the variety we as golfers like to see." What you should have written was LIV Golf provides the variety I as a golfer like to see. You do not speak for "golfers" only yourself. Trying to equate "filling your car up with gas which we buy from the Saudis" is not a good argument. Not all gas comes from the Saudis. If our government would do the right thing we would not need to buy gas from any other country. So maybe you need to get off your high horse unless you are a member of the PGA Tour and have a voice in what is done. Other wise it is not any of your business how it is operated.

@pjpredhomme7699

2 жыл бұрын

well Liv is like watching a member guest - you can do that nearly anywhere - the idea that there is some type of innovation is laughable . just say you want the money - that is at least honest . All the other BS descriptions are what are most offensive

@kimoharris808

2 жыл бұрын

There's a difference between being a golfer and someone who plays golf

Many people have a misunderstanding of monopolies. Monopolies are companies that have a lock on a work or lifestyle. For example, Microsoft was a monopoly because, despite other computer OS's like MacOS or Linux being available, your work/lifestyle doesn't carry value unless you use Microsoft Windows. But to argue for monopolies among millionaires is a total joke. Here you have Dustin Johnson or Phil Mickelson who are millionaires for life, and they could stop playing golf totally and their families would still live very comfortable lives. Even the alternative tours are available if you still have the competitive juices. The only difference then between the PGA Tour and other tours is how much time you are willing to stay away from your families. If you play the PGA Tour, you're probably way for 38 weeks of the year. The LIV Tour will only be eight weeks. I don't consider that an argument for a monopoly in any way. The PGA Tour is nowhere near that of Microsoft or AT&T. The other thing I disagree with is the idea of an independent contractor. The Q-school of the PGA Tour is not just six rounds of golf, but it is also required classroom learning on how you manage your winnings when you do get a paycheck. The PGA Tour never hid the idea that it is in fact a union, and you can only play tournaments run by it if you are a member because the PGA Tour uses its resources to create tournaments and obtain memberships. This is why the PGA Tour is a non-profit, much like a healthcare HMO is also a non-profit. All HMOs do is connect you with a physician, and the HMO makes sure the physician gets paid. The PGA Tour is no different!

@norrispg4212

2 жыл бұрын

you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about

@2CHACHOUU

2 жыл бұрын

really did MS FORCED ANYONE to use the OS,NO SO it was never a monopoly if other corporations,didn,t want to switch to LINUX because of cost,their problems

PGA panders to the big players. Total monopoly, no doubt. Time to be shaken up.

Money talks b******* walks money will end up deciding this the new tour will thrive whether you like it or not

Peter your sending me to sleep!

a zi0nist attorney,I am shocked

@jacobjorgenson9285

2 жыл бұрын

The best

I can’t wait to see gay pride month endorsed by the LIV.

Phil just flew the second plane into the tower

any association by golfers with Saudi Arabia is disgusting and the players should be ashamed of themselves.

@tacamo5149

2 жыл бұрын

Why?