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@twoscarabsintheswarm9055

3 жыл бұрын

I'll follow you on twitter if you start stellaris season 2.

@commanderwookiecopc806

3 жыл бұрын

I’m honestly not surprised that Templin doesn’t like the Banished since they always get a lot wrong about the halo universe and just skim wikis. iE thinking that the UNSC is the entire human goverment (That would be the UEG) and that the Sangheili had a large number of human sympathizers during the covenant war

@commanderwookiecopc806

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Zhang Wut? I know the United Nation Security Console is a thing but we talking about Halo.

@neoluna1172

3 жыл бұрын

I see where your coming from, but I disagree. We have seen in halo wars 2 through the gameplay that the banished can produce supplies and wargear, not just steal it, as well as create and produce new designs in a standardized manner, not just have a ramshackle army of customized personal vehicles and weapons. In addition, we dont know what happens in the years between halo 5 and infinite, though the new book coming out will likley explain that. My guess is the mass AI uprising lead by the corrupted cortana fragment (and yes him fairly certain its only a fragment, or the main cortana but with pieces missing) would have likley crippled the UNSC's already weakened military power, which allowed the banish to soundly defeat the UNSC at Zeta halo.

@BS-vm5bt

3 жыл бұрын

I do think they will use the return of the flood as the real threat against the galaxy instead of the banished since the last dlc of halo wars 2 showed their return.

This seems to be a problem when it comes to a lot of new villains in long running franchises. They all seem to be trying really hard to convince everyone they're the single greatest the threat the world/galaxy has ever known, but they all just come across like a whiny teen whose trying too hard.

@isaacgriffin5690

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, it's pretty hard to top how awesome and imposing the Covenant were. I still don't know what the Banished motivation is.

@wisemankugelmemicus1701

3 жыл бұрын

Seems to be a disregard for world building. The Banished cannot realistically destroy humanity. But why do they have to? Just make them a threat because they run antagonistic to Master Chief's goals. They're mercenaries, that makes them a very malleable story element by design.

@Agent789_0

3 жыл бұрын

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 Yeah, the worldbuilding piece is what really annoys me about stuff like this, because it's always either really lazy "look at EVIL this man is!" or just completely non-existent.

@wisemankugelmemicus1701

3 жыл бұрын

@@Agent789_0 yeah, they literally have the perfect faction to do so much interesting shit with. Imagine they're the bad guys in Halo: Infinite and then in the sequel they're allied to the UNSC, only for the UNSC to be outbid by some struggling Covenant splinter group and for them to get wiped out alongside said splinter group.

@sufyansmits6410

3 жыл бұрын

I can only see the First Order in that description. They even had a whiny teen of their own

3:10 "Major conflicts are no longer decided by which side has the …" *No, War is won by which side has the characters with the most **_plot armour._*

@aArtedasEstrelas

3 жыл бұрын

Plot armour is the single most underrated threat to villains in any universe.

@Anudorini-Talah

3 жыл бұрын

Guys follow Hiddenxperia there you see the true side of Halo. This channel here just babbles bullshit

The greatest military invention of all times: The Road.

@EthanMKim

3 жыл бұрын

Nathan Zhang Don’t forget the Incans, too.

@EthanMKim

3 жыл бұрын

Nathan Zhang I can relate...I’m not too keen on remembering either lol

@Bruh-hq1hx

3 жыл бұрын

Roads are your friend in some places they are made of dirt and unsafe with a speed Limit of 10km/h in others they are made of asphalt and are safe with a speed Limit of infinite

@theempiredidnothingwrong3227

3 жыл бұрын

Rome: Can confirm Germans who used the Romans roads against them during the fall: Can also confirm.

@Anudorini-Talah

3 жыл бұрын

wrong. A road can lead you to victory but can also put you on the silver tablet of getting rekt by someone sneacking out from the sides of the road. (Germans vs Roman Legion in Teutoburger forest)

"The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.” - Napolean Bonaparte

@PaladinGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Says Mr. "Let's invade Russia, we'll beat them before winter sets in so there's no reason to set up logistics for a winter campaign. They're just some backwards Slavs, we have this in the bag!"

@Bruh-hq1hx

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaladinGuy he invaded in june in june and normally people wouldnt burn their capital just to win

@nowhereman6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaladinGuy well, one would expect the fight to be easy if the people you were fighting acted like humans, and didn't destroy their own farms, town, and cities, burning them to the ground in order to stop you from having any possible advantage.

@PaladinGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@nowhereman6019 And they won. War isn't a nice clean game of chess, you just can't handle reality and people with your mind set are doomed to fail.

@PaladinGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bruh-hq1hx @Benedict Mannheim What dose that have to do with not planning for winter? If Napoleons' whole long term plan was to sack Moscow for resources how dose that make him any different than Atriox? Blaming your loss on your opponent using your own weakness against you is the sign of a poor leader.

Everyone likes the flashy guns and power armor. I've always been a fan of the logistics of sci-fi governments and armies. I am also a very boring individual

@zachzent8287

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Zhang I never said the two were connected :D

@osedebame3522

3 жыл бұрын

Ur so quirky lol

@DocWolph

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the best Sci-Fi are really stories about civilizations. Logistics are part of that.

@isimiel3405

3 жыл бұрын

real men wear flak armour

@imaginativeskydadytm1389

3 жыл бұрын

@@isimiel3405 real mean uses flashlight and flak armor

>Implying Uruguay isn't a greater threat than the Soviet Union

The Banished would probably be more dangerous if someone actually hired them, trading supplies for their muscle. Otherwise, Atriox should get to work conquering worlds and assimilating their industrial complexes. Maybe secure some resource rich areas. You know, build up that empire.

@danielboyas7645

3 жыл бұрын

Hence why he took the Ark from the humans.

@zenebean

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielboyas7645 a great plan as long as he can figure out how to repurpose the forerunner tech and facilities

@isaachinds3736

3 жыл бұрын

@@zenebean That's what the scientist Brutes, Hunters, and engineers are for.

@Enderguy059

3 жыл бұрын

@@zenebean Good thing he's got a guy like Voridus, who unlocked the secrets of Forerunner infusion gel.

@mrprogamer96109

2 жыл бұрын

this comment ended up being half right.

An even better comparison would be Atriox as Hannibal to UNSC's Rome. Hannibal obliterated several Roman armies and his army ravaged back and forth across Italy for over a decade. But Rome dug in its heels and stubbornly kept fighting until Hannibal was recalled by Carthage.

@construtordemundos3420

3 жыл бұрын

There's a small difference, Hannibal held back and never attacked Rome itself

@jackiebrown5680

3 жыл бұрын

Has atriox attacked earth? No

@construtordemundos3420

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackiebrown5680 what I mean is that one held back, while we don't know if Atriox is holding back or not, we don't know a lot about him and the banished yet to make a clear cut argument. The arguments in the video are strong, but depending on what extra information is giving about the Banished by 343 the argument can fall apart.

@Rokaize

3 жыл бұрын

Construtor de Mundos I don’t think he could have taken Rome even if he wanted to. A huge prolonged siege so far behind enemy lines would probably have been untenable.

@oddsdenver9673

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rokaize wasn't hannibal really close to Rome, and the only reason he got called back was because Carthage itself was under siege?

Honestly they seem to be a foil to Cutter, who is currently seperated from the rest of the UNSC because of his decisions that he believed would aid in humanity's survival in the human-covenant war by denying the now deceased Regret a potential Forerunner fleet. He sacrificed himself, his way back home and his crew to be lost in space for the rest of the war until the Spirit of Fire reached the Ark. In contrast Atriox got tired of him and the brutes beside him being constantly used as cannon fodder to be thrown in the meat grinder against humanity. He lost faith in the Covenant's great journey and was even accused and framed as a heretic by the Covenant in order to get rid of him, his influence, and potentially dangerous thoughts to the covenant religion. These things made him an outcast to be executed by the very Covenant he was getting tired of. Execution fails and suddenly he starts gaining a following as unlike the Covenant he actively seeks to invite those that tried to kill him such as elites of the Silent Shadow. This Brute and the Banished were never meant to be such a big threat to anyone other than the Spirit of Fire, who also were separated from the UNSC and were essentially on their own. But they seemed to get popular enough that 343 wants to act like they are this big threat when they never were. Their prescence in Infinite is a big marketing ploy and this will fundamentally change and expand them into something that lore-wise they never were. I like them as a mercenary group that does it's own thing outside the main conflicts, but it's going to be really stupid if 343 suddenly comes out and says that they too are an interstellar Empire like the Covenant were. I also know better than to trust a logistics AI like Isabel for a proper analysis on an enemy. She is a scared individual who will talk big about the enemy that crushed those she worked along with becuase she is not a military AI like Serena or Cortana(pre-gravemind torture and pre-rampancy) who could keep their cool under stressful situations like a big alien threat that outnumbers the local human population stuck on a ship in the middle of space, alien ring world, or alien shield world. You make a great point and your take on the group of Xenos known as the Banished is greatly appreciated abominable intelligence.

@utubrGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@One Player If Shipmaster Jul Mdama didn't bite the dust courtesy of Fireteam Osiris, I think there wouldn't even be an Atriox.

@unscinfinity3337

3 жыл бұрын

@@utubrGaming WRONG atriox and his banished was already a major power at that time but preffered to stay hidden so as to avoid direct conflict with UNSC who pre halo 5 and post halo 3 was the major power had the banished revealed themselves early they would have been destroyed but since UNSC most probably has only less than 30 ships left after the cortana rising this time would be perfect for the banished to show up as they have all the resources they need.

@PackHunter117

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. The most powerful Covenant faction has been destroyed. The Banished continue to get recruits. They plan on uniting the Jiralhanae race and so far they’re making a lot of headway with that. The Banished could become an empire because they continue to adapt and innovate and continue to bring in more mercenaries and territory to their cause.

@unscinfinity3337

3 жыл бұрын

@@PackHunter117 I am sorry but they have an unknown covenant warship and a fucking CSO supercarrier along with CAS and CCS class cruisers so yeah they are the most powerful (CSO is the 29 km long ship which can take on 2 super star destroyers from star wars)

@PackHunter117

3 жыл бұрын

@@unscinfinity3337 That’s correct. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have more than one CSO

7:13 "He doesn't have a tax policy!" *shudders*

@slowman9794

3 жыл бұрын

Spooky

@milkeasubi5909

3 жыл бұрын

Atriox wld be the staff of the month at IRS.

@Legion617

3 жыл бұрын

Hearing this, a lot of people woulda joined the Banished immediately

@Bruh-hq1hx

3 жыл бұрын

Propesterous he doesnt have taxes he can Invest only for himself and his goals

@AsharyAsh

3 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is. It’s wrong. There’s actually a system.

"The axis powers were at war with soviet union and Uruguay. They nearly got soviet union, but Uruguay... They never came close." Ok, this? This, sir, is hilarious, and now I'll be thinking of this quote anytime somebody brings up ww2.

The perfect quote about these kinds of characters: "You're no Genghis Khan."

@Bruh-hq1hx

3 жыл бұрын

You're not even attila the hun

@jakespacepiratee3740

3 жыл бұрын

and your Furry hate is not impressive or funny.

@nowhereman6019

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakespacepiratee3740 what?

@r1cosito

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakespacepiratee3740 which one of these comments are furry hate? One is about warhammer 40k and another is a real life warlord.

@jakespacepiratee3740

3 жыл бұрын

@@r1cosito Lol I'm amazed I got a reaction out of this.

Even when Rome was a shell of what it would eventually become it endured disastrous defeats in the Punic wars almost to the point of total collapse and every time they managed to pull themselves together, field another army and fight back against a somewhat well-organized army and civilization, eventually managing to brutally annihilate their enemy.

@westrim

3 жыл бұрын

@@louisduarte8763 The only evidence for human (specifically, infant) sacrifice is Roman writings (who kiiiind of had an axe to grind) and interpretation of sites that could just as well be child cemeteries since, like most ancient cultures, infant mortality was high in Carthage. The Romans themselves had a lot of practices we would consider human sacrifice regardless of their opinions, like strangling defeated enemies at the apex of Triumph victory celebrations.

@jackohlander8355

3 жыл бұрын

Louis Duarte Rome absolutely did have human sacrifices at that time.

@chromicm6686

2 жыл бұрын

@@westrim the Carthaginians were decendants of the Phonecian culture, itself derived from the ancient Cannanites, who frequently were known to practice ritual child sacrifice. The Carthaginians worshiped very similar incarnations of the older Cannanite gods with some Greek, Egyptian and Roman influence. There have been discoveries of cremated human infant remains mixed in with burnt animal bones, which leads some accademics to belive the Carthaginians did practice some form of child sacrifice. It was not exactly a rare thing to do in most cultures at the time, and the exact degree or frequency of such rituals were done in is impossible to determine. No doubt you are correct though that roman historians most likey heavily embelished and exadurated these kind of rituals for the sake of propoganda.

The idea that The Banished is always on the brink of collapse and is only thriving because of it's leader and that the UNSC is currently in in civil war, I find more interesting than what they we know about them so far

@commanderwookiecopc806

3 жыл бұрын

But it won’t because AI Civil War

@khalduras784

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Zhang Atriox isnt even on zeta halo where Halo infinite takes place. He's stranded on the Ark and from what little we know of the halo infinite story, most of the banished co leaders think he's dead

@danielboyas7645

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Zhang Pretty sure the UNSC lost a war against the banished for control of zeta halo.

@mariobadia4553

3 жыл бұрын

Atriox isn't stranded on the earth anymore he left

Although it is very much in doubt that the Banished will be able win in the long run, they can still do a lot of damage in the mean time, especially now they occupy a Halo ring. With Halo Infinite delayed, their true strength and goals are unknown. They could be trying to create their own empire akin to the various situations in Interwar Eurasia; or Atriox could be the next Attila or Genghis Khan like said in the video; only stopped at the moons of New Vienna by the UNSC _Wings of Hussar_ .

@davecorrea1061

3 жыл бұрын

What about the Ark?

@occultatumquaestio5226

3 жыл бұрын

@@davecorrea1061 ; Captain Cutter has so far managed to prevented Atriox's forces from taking control of the entire Ark.

@yehyeh644

3 жыл бұрын

wouldn't it be enough to just occupy the ring to solve all logistical problems? I mean the whole thing is a big ass factory

@hanzzel6086

2 жыл бұрын

@@yehyeh644 That doesn't have crops. Or medical facilitys Or anything meant to service Banished tech. And they would never actually be able to fully control it's factorys. In short, no.

Did I miss the part in Halo’s lore where the Banished were supposed to be a threat to the entire UNSC? I only remember them being a foil for Halo Wars 2 and not supposed to be anything beyond that.

After months of rising tension? Excuse me? The Covenant raided and glassed Harvest pretty much without warning and there has never been a formal declaration of war

@MehOhWell222

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Johnson and one other dude got in a firefight on a small covenant freighter with some jackals prior to the Covenant even setting foot on Reach. Additionally, the first instance of open combat was between a single light Covvie warship crewed by brutes (of which Tartarus was a part) that engaged the local colonial militia. So technically the point is valid. Source: Halo Contact Harvest novel (read it, it’s a solid story).

@PracticeNine

3 жыл бұрын

@@MehOhWell222 I've read the book, been a while though. There was a human freighter that was boarded by the covenant and the pilot got killed by a huragok, if i remember correctly. There has been an attempted meeting on Harvest bevor the fighting started but this is far from "Months of rising tensions"

@Sunscreeeen

3 жыл бұрын

@@PracticeNine the instance you're refferring to was not a huragok, it was a kig-yar (jackals) and they had actually been raiding human freighters for months, but most of them were unmanned. afterwards, the militia on harvest, led by johnson, did fight against covenant for some time while the planet could be evacuated and the planet wasnt glassed until later. it also of note that the conflict on harvest began before the prophets of thruth regret and mercy became the heirarchs of the covenant, and the war did not exactly "start" for covenant until truth became one of the high prophets and declared it so.

@PracticeNine

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Sunscreeeen i would have to read up on it again, but I am 100% certain that the first human casualty was caused by a huragok who saved his Grunt friend. And despite the glassing not taking place immediately, the fighting started very soon and without warning. My point was actually that there never were any negotiations between the top of the covenant and the UNSC. There never have been months of rising tensions. The Covenant just started a holy war against us

@utubrGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I've got the declaration of war from the Covenant to Humanity! Here it is! "Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their instrument"

Whilst many of your points are correct some can be explained. While halo infinite is not out yet we can see that they have established a new leadership structure with Atriox stuck on the Ark and Escherum (or however you spell it) seemingly taking the lead. We also know there is some form of development of weapons and vehicles for instance the blisterback is “a massive aerial siege vehicle developed and built by the banished” (from the blisterback Phoenix log) we also see mining operations occurring on the ark; this clearly indicates that there is some form of civilian industry within the banished (although it is likely much less prominent than other nations/groups). This may indicate that the banished holds territory, or more likely are a highly mobile fleet based organisation with a large military focus, after transitioning away from the early raid based organisation. This helps with the lack of supply lines issue although I will admit doesn’t sort out the political/ military linkage. Overall the banished suffer from an issue all too common in science fiction, we know a lot about their military but very little about civilian aspects, giving the idea the group is just one big army. However I may be completely wrong about all this and this is just what I think is likely.

@Scarletglaceon1

3 жыл бұрын

Also they are a bigger threat to the UNSC because Cortana pretty much crippled them. The UNSC can't rely on their massive industrial and military might anymore, and so have the same logistics problems the Banished should have. Put into perspective, it makes sense how the Banished, with semi-self sustaining logistics and guerrilla tactics, could take on a crippled UNSC and win.

@mariobadia4553

3 жыл бұрын

Well it turns out he is not on the ark anymore

Since the Banished is too the Covenant what the Insurrectionist are too the UNSC, I think it would be interesting for them to team up. It would make since because of their shared goal, to destroy the UNSC. The only thing is I'm not sure to is how fighting humans would work gameplay wise in campaign.

@dutch_asocialite

3 жыл бұрын

Master Chief has been fighting humans since he shot Captain Keyes, it shouldn't be too different from the usual manslaughter that occurs when a Space Sailor gets bored.

@teck_3

3 жыл бұрын

@@dutch_asocialite The Chief, and all other Spartan II's, were originally created for the express purpose of fighting other humans in the insurrection. It just so happened that the Spartans were also really good at kicking alien ass too.

@moriskurth628

3 жыл бұрын

@@dutch_asocialite Wasn't Chief fighting Insurrectionists before Reach?

@phurian_6560

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the idea of replacing elites with brutes gameplay wise was really iffy with a lot of people, adding humans as an enemy is just another step halo has to take

@dutch_asocialite

3 жыл бұрын

@@moriskurth628 Yes, but I was alluding to fighting in-game humans.

Whos scarier for our newest enemy to fight our humans in Halo? 1.The nightmarish Flood 2.A United alien covenant 3.Bunch of monkey pirates

@Vaioplayer88

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget whatever alien race was physically resistant to the halo array. I feel like that should be a little above monkey pirates.

@oreonblade

2 жыл бұрын

A united alien covenant of monkey pirates infected by the Flood.

The banished would be a lot scarier if Craig was their leader

I refuse to believe the Covenant is gone, yes their capital city was destroyed...yes their religion was proven false...but the Covenant was WAY bigger than the games and books themselves show in their limited space/bubble. It had a lot of other Alien Species we have not seen and some ARE canon but never made it into the games. A Star-spanning Empire like that just doesn't go away from one day to another. Hell in one the books a Minor Covenant Prophet discovers a Sangheili colony that had been isolated from the other systems for so long it developed its own language and culture shortly after escaping High Charity. For all we know there are hundreds of Covenant systems still out there, with entire fleets stationed on them now coming to our area of the galaxy after losing contact with their Holy city, hundreds of exploration/artifact retrieval teams now coming home only to find their Empire gone, a new previously undiscovered sentient species rising and desecrating/assimilating holy artifacts and a fuckton of mercenary/religious groups pretending to call themselves "Covenant" playing with their god's creations. How come the creative leads at 343 never thought about this boggles me.

@khalduras784

3 жыл бұрын

They arent but their largest splinter faction has been brought to ruin. Off-shoots version of their faithful followers have created their own factions. "Servants of the abiding truth" is one of them But as far as planets go, majority of the races chose to forget all about the covenant and live on their own like the Unggoy (Grunts) they chose independence but the last novel implied that they surrendered to the created. The kig-yar (jackals) dont seem to give a shit and many chose their own respective paths but modtly as mercenaries.

@Luxembourgish

3 жыл бұрын

Because the Covenant story is done, they don't need to keep milking it and ruining the great story arc it had. The Covenant's former species and assets still exist, yes, but the organization was completely destroyed. Why do you think all these new factions exist? Because the Covenant Empire fell and it's former species and assets are starting new things.

@shaunjimbangan1166

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought that is what the covenent remnent factions are.

@marksmanmerc1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luxembourgish And the new factions are lame as hell. Nothing they've come up with is as interesting as the covenant. Story should've ended at 3 and future games should've been prequels.

@daegnaxqelil2733

Жыл бұрын

some covenants escaped the ark and forme their own group

The Banished is way more interesting than what ever army Cortana was trying to create. Honestly halo 5 nearly killed the Halo franchise so fuck what ever story 343 had planned before they decided to abandon it.

@blackdragon6

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think they abandoned it

@5erase

3 жыл бұрын

This is how I feel about the star wars sequels, I just wish it never would have happened...

@or6397

3 жыл бұрын

The prequel novel to Halo Infinite references Cortana still having her Rogue Servitor playthrough. So it’s still a thing. I think it’s going to be where that’s a problem and she’s not the villain. That’s the Banished and Flood who are out to genocide humanity. I mean I can’t imagine why they would give her an army of anti flood robots and have the Chief promise to save her from rampancy. I just don’t see any reason why that isn’t where they’re going.

@LAZERAK47V2

3 жыл бұрын

If Halo Infinite doesn't end with the mass extinction of traitorous AIs, I'm gonna be so miffed.

@utubrGaming

3 жыл бұрын

​@@LAZERAK47V2 Considering the forerunners were experimenting with turning organic consciousness and constructs into digital data and back again (hence why the Prometheans exist as a method to still live and exist while fighting the flood), there's a nonzero chance that Cortana might end up becoming human again, potentially fixing the whole rampancy thing.

The issue with the Banished is that while the Phoenix Logs of Halo Wars 2 establishes a realistic portrayal of them gaining power, the story itself presents them completely differently.

From a storytelling point of view, the Banished are just another face to punch. Brian David Gilbert noted there isn't much lore to them in the books and there isn't much you need to understand going into Halo Infinite. Just shoot the aliens, save the day, move on. Not too dissimilar to the Covenant originally, now that I think about it.

@commanderwookiecopc806

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I am just waiting for more books about them because they do have a lot of potential

@BlackKing.2000

3 жыл бұрын

CommanderWookiecop C well probably get more when Shadows Of Reach releases this month

@Anaverageguy41

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh thats probably for the best Having too much initial backstory can ruin an antagonist See the didact and forerunners in the last 2 games

@bartybum

3 жыл бұрын

CommanderWookiecop C I’ll be honest, I don’t see the potential. They’re an extremely surface level blank-slate bad-guy faction. Compare them to the Covenant - the Covenant were an entire empire of multiple factions that had a grand ideology, the Great Journey. The only thing the Banished want is to kill humans. There’s no clash of ideology that war storytelling requires. If you need out-of-game lore to make your villain interesting, you’ve failed. There’s no two ways about it

@sargentomayoraveryjuniorjo2006

3 жыл бұрын

@@bartybum Well, it's initially said that The Banished are technically some kind of "pirates", Atriox respet humanity (really weird for a Brute), this was said on the comic Rise of Atriox, he isn't looking for a really interesting goal, he only wants to live his life in the best way he can, and that is actually the modo of the Banished, but here is the interesting stuff, because at the begining Atriox wouldn't kill humans without a purpose, and yet in the Ark (year 2559) killed a bunch of scientists, I wonder what happened between the creation of the Banished and the actual time in the Halo storyline. The Banished aswell count with the Silent Shadows and the suport of the Keepers of the One Freedom (another Covenant faction that still believes in the Great Journey, with humans in their troops) if it's needed, and a few other species thet were cut from the Bungie era, so, at the moment, the Banished are not a interesting villain, but they are imponent and 343i has the chance to do with them whatever they want. That being said, the posibilities of Atriox appearing on Infinite are 10% because he is stranded on the Ark alonside with the Spirit of Fire and most likely the Banished that are inside the Galaxy believe that he's dead. I really think that Escharum (the Brute of the the gameplay) is an oportunist, and is goin' to take the place of Atriox trying to make the Banished into his own perspective of life. I think we gotta see the Banished as the Covenant in CE, without depth in their ideals until further time

Hell yes, love me some Atriox. Who would have thought making a Brute really smart would make such an engaging antagonist. He's not evil, just calculating.

@Luxembourgish

3 жыл бұрын

Geez, I wish I could be a warlord and pirate pillaging and killing civilians for monetary gain, and not be deemed evil by society.

@Robert-rw5lm

3 жыл бұрын

@@Luxembourgish that's called winning in history

From the AI quote you shared, it sounds like some writer thought that a mercenary force could become basically a nation-state overnight, and therefore the Banished turned into a clone of the UNSC in said writer's mind. All because...they fought the Covenant and survived. Clearly the only way to do survive the covenant is to be exactly like the other group we know of that survived the covenant. And then, the writer thinks, since we need the Banished to be a threat, we'll say they were better than the UNSC at surviving the covenant! It's perfect. This of course makes no sense to anyone who knows how reality actually works. But as a writer, I think I can see where a fellow writer may have fallen down a chain of faulty logic.

@fanusobscurus4309

3 жыл бұрын

That ain't writer logic, thats fanfic logic... and that seems far more common in big budgets these days.

@ThePCguy17

3 жыл бұрын

@@fanusobscurus4309 Unfortunately, you're not wrong.

@FrostbiteDigital

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePCguy17 "A group of mercenaries could become a nation state" I mean, that didn't stop Big Boss and Outer Heaven did it? Lol

The banished are generic. They are the covanent but without the stuff that made them special. Now they just wanna kill shit cuz their mad.

I have no idea how these Banished scrubs are even a remote threat when Cortana and the Created are literally shutting down ships and planets en-masse and have full control.

@TSEDLE333

2 жыл бұрын

343i doing its worst to over correct the course they took with H5....after they overcorrect what they did with H4...and doing it with their most well accepted OG characters: the banished....yeah...thats why 343i is pushing the Banished.

I'm so glad someone finally confirmed I'm not crazy. The banished while aesthetically cool lookin create plot holes in the lore. There apparently so massive they can take over the arc but take hit after hit from a 30 plus year old ship and its crew. And now in infinite it seems they have humanity on the run and are as big of a threat as the covenant???🤨🤨HOW SWAY??

"Amateurs do strategy, the professionals deals with logistics." -Military saying

@louisxavier9351

3 жыл бұрын

Paper bagging - putting a bag over an ugly girl’s head in order to not see her face during sex From Urban Dictionary

@hothead8268

3 жыл бұрын

@@louisxavier9351 Comes off at Halloween. 😄

In their first encounter with humans, the Banished immediately lost their flagship. This wasn’t even the entire INSC army, but a single, very old ship already depleted by another entire campaign. The Banished proceeded suffered continuous defeats to one ship yet I am expected to believe they are a credible threat? I’m sure Atriox was leading the factions best troops as well. To be honest I am amazed he wasn’t deposed and the faction obliterated already.

@Enderguy059

3 жыл бұрын

Given that it's been revealed that the Banished are in control of at least one Covenant Supercarrier, I'd say it's a safe bet that the Enduring Conviction wasn't their flagship.

@philmcdonald3322

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the ship in question had the overwhelming advantage of Player One being behind the screen- being the player character/faction in a videogame is the strongest plot armor you can get

When I first learned of the Banished in HW 2, I thought the same as you. Yeah, in a small conflict, like the one in HW 2, the Banished are a big threat, but on a larger scale, they lack everything you just mentioned. However the Halo universe is currently complex enough that the Banished are a big threat and can establish themselves as a successor state in short order. Here a few factors that give context: The UNSC right now cannot effectively counter the Banished or any other large group in a cohesive manner. It is rent in a war for its survival against the Created. An AI created society, led by the Rampant Cortana, who is now immortal and possesses access to Forerunner technology and logistics capability. The Swords of Shanghelios is also in conflict with the Created and so cannot effectively or directly truly challenge the Banished as a whole. Furthermore, the Swords are a very recent government and are having to recreate their society in the middle of another galactic conflict. The Brute worlds are just as fractured as the UNSC and the Swords, with severe logistic and societal shortcomings, not helped because the Brutes are so belligerent and so lack true interstellar cohesion. Enter the Banished, an emerging power, with unknown numbers (possibly in the millions apparently), but focused, dedicated, well armed, well directed and with a new ideology, bolstered by a powerful cult of personality. They have been able to gather and expand on a vast stellar navy and kept it running for a number of years in relatively good condition and in the mean time have begun to build their own weapons and vehicles. They have a mobile but stable logistics base from where to continue to raid, plunder and gather new followers. And as Halo Infinite recently showed, the group can exist for some time without Atriox and even build upon his message. A message of unity, strength and self-reliance around which a society can be built even if the figurehead dies, much as has happenned with many countries in the past, where their founders have died, but the system continues even without them. Now here is the important part: After the end of the Human Covenant war, Atriox saw an opportunity to establish a unified Jiralhanae nation and even possibly take over some of the Covenant. His plan was simple. Conquer the fracture Jiralhanae planets and forge them into a new center for his empire. One with a new vision and where he could properly establish a long term logistical base, while the rest of the other factions where rebuilding. But then he found the Ark and knew that having that power would ensure his supremacy over the galaxy, ergo why he is in the Ark in the first place. It is unknown what has happened since his disappearance, but considering the state the other "Major" players are in, and the devotion and the power of Atripx's original message, a well equipped and apparently well supplied mercenary faction can become a big danger even to the UNSC which is still reeling from the devastating blackout imposed by the Created.

@bubbasbigblast8563

3 жыл бұрын

How the hell is a group of killer mecernaries managing things like maintance? Do other groups just leave crates of weapons and ships littered around for them to easily steal?

@Keemperor40K

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbasbigblast8563 The Banished from the beginning have been scavengers and opportunists. So they have been raiding Covenant depots in Covenant space for years if not outright decades at this point, they have the knowledge of how to get into these places, and this was when they where well defended. In the aftermath of the collapse of the Covenant, raiding these depots became even easier, because there was no coordinated defense network to provide security. A real world example would be the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the aftermath of this collapse, an unknown amount of military hardware just went outright missing, even possibly nuclear material. The Banished have been taking supplies this way for a long time and growing in the mean time. Furthermore, they have an unknown amount of Engineers, which take care of maintenance for the Banished, allowing them to keep their ships in tip top shape even with minimal technical knowledge to begin with. Fast forward a decade or so, and now the Banished are very proficient even without engineers of maintaining their equipment and also of modifying it as we see in HW 2 and even have created completely original designs of their own. The creators at 343 Industries have been very clear on how the Banished have grown to become a clear danger to the established factions and have also taken advantage of the current state of the galaxy to position the Banished as a credible threat. Specially since the group that went with Atriox was an elite part of his forces, but not the bulk of his forces. Forces that continue Atriox's vision even without him, because they believe in the cause that Atriox created and have benefitted from belonging to the Banished.

@michielvandersijs6257

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but wouldn't the created also kick the ass of the Banished if they tried anything? And what justifies the fact that these guys are now the main bad guys and not the created? Did they get bored and moved on? What happened?

@Keemperor40K

3 жыл бұрын

@@michielvandersijs6257 All are questions that we hope will be answered in Halo Infinite. As the timeline you are talking about is an ongoing one and we don't yet know the details of the interactions between the Banished and the Created.

@anith_the_knight7918

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbasbigblast8563 the banished already have many enslaved engineers so they can maintain equipment and vehicles and create new ones

Interesting vid, though a couple things: 1. There were no "rising tensions" between Humanity and the Covenant; the latter went to war against the former practically right after first contact was officially made. 2. Whatever Military Organisation and Logistics the UNSC had during their height of power during the Cold War have more than likely been severely crippled due to Space Hitler Cortana imposing a galaxy-wide police state through her EMP-spewing guardians. This is most evident in the UNSC relying on a lot of older weapon models, as demonstrated in Infinite. 3. Good thing that the Hand of Atriox existed to manage the Banished forces in the Milky Way while Atriox was on the Ark. And even with Atriox's demise, I'm sure they'd be able to keep things going for a fair while longer, especially since the most trusted member of the Hand, Escharum, was Atriox's own mentor.

“Military organization and logistics might be the most boring part of any war” excuse me? Hearsay?

@Tommy-5684

3 жыл бұрын

well to all but a very dedicated few

@christianyaerger1751

3 жыл бұрын

Roboute Guilliman entered the chat.

@slowman9794

3 жыл бұрын

Christian Yaerger Ultra Marine warp magic

I personally like this faction. Something about a splinter group of the covenant that opposed them ideologically. As well as their ability to modify the equipment they acquire.

Finally someone called them out. I always hated the "reveal" of the threats to humanity.

It appears post-Infinite Release, it’s part bringing the Jiralhanae together, part rage towards humanity over Cortana, and The Banished appear to actually have a decent supply chain based off how they seem to have taken over many former Covenant-held resource-rich planets.

Not too well versed on the current lore, but I'm pretty sure The Banished is backed by several Chieftains on Doisac, meaning numerous nations on Doisac are supplying The Banished with the stuff they need.

@jareddixon9108

Жыл бұрын

Not anymore they’re not. Doisac is stardust now.

@mattherrick7184

Жыл бұрын

Right… Doisac, the planet Doisac, the home planet of the Brutes Doisac, the home planet of the brutes that was destroyed by Cortana Doisac… That Doisac?

10:10 isn't that kinda the implied purposes of Escharum and the Hands of Atriox tho? Like I know infinite ain't out yet, but thats how I felt it was implied Edit: one more thing, obviously as you stated, the UNSC have a higher advantage due to being an organised civilisation, BUT an important thing I'd like to note is that the Banished layed low until the Created starting attacking and kicking the UNSCs ass, which I believe would grant them an advantage to raid due to the UNSCs fragile state. Which is wbat I believe is a somewhat similar way to how Rome (who've you been comparing to the UNSC) collapsed.

@dutch_asocialite

3 жыл бұрын

That is exactly the current state of things (and I believe that strategy is outlined in the Art of War even), so it's somewhat confounding he's going on about how the Banished aren't a threat when they're in a prime position to strike the UNSC decisively.

@ToxicCoffeeTM

3 жыл бұрын

@Kraptonite I actually heard somewhere (I don't actually have a source so I could be pulling this from my ass) that they actually do something like that by selling weapons to human crime organizations.

@commanderwookiecopc806

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToxicCoffeeTM That was the Base Covenant. A bunch of Kig-yar Pirates started selling Arms to Insurrectionists

@comentnine1574

3 жыл бұрын

I agree if the created haven’t started making a ruckus the banished might have stayed low or maybe just stayed on the ark. Because the UNSC only had researchers at the time and if the banished were quick enough they might have been able to shut off the portal before the UNSC could mobilise a response, remember the Ark was beyond the rim of the galaxy you can’t just make a slipspace jump there.

@khalduras784

3 жыл бұрын

@@comentnine1574 i dont know about you but from what little we know of halo infinite story seems to imply that the atriox and his forces are still on the ark while the ones on zeta halo under this "Escharum" is like the rest of the force split up from Atriox. My guess is Atriox mustve split up his forces and took most of them to the ark while others like Escharum were to go find other means of resource and to gather more allies.

I really wish they gave Atriox more depth and sense to be a real threat, the cutscenes gave such an epic vibe and yet here we are...

So the Banshed are basically the Lucian Alliance from Stargate, but cruder and less sophisticated.

@TSEDLE333

2 жыл бұрын

An overcorrection (Halo Infinite) of a overcorrection (Halo 5)....that by itself was already a correction (H4) that was the first attempt at a soft reboot... 343I simply doesn't know what to do with Halo...and it shows....

Ya I have kinda been wondering about the exact same thing. Like what’s the banishes motivation? Just take over shit cause? That’s not a very good ideology to be able to take over the galaxy, but hey maybe there’s more to it that we don’t know about.

This is very much a late comment, but it is very telling that the Banished only stood a threat to the UNSC after Cortana basically shut down the UNSC.

To be fair and not saying i am entirely sold on the idea of the Banished, they are not really a Barbarian based society, but like you said a Mercenary Group, they make their living on raiding and scavenging equipment and resources and making money from contract works, and in a post Covenant era would make a perfect hunting ground for them for being guns for hire and pirating. And I think that is the point of the Banished, they don't seek a war, they were doing fine with keeping a low profile and doing their own thing.

I always felt like when 343 introduced the banished it was like kids in i a playground "oh you havent heard about my faction? My faction is the best and cannot ne beaten and their leader is amazing and nobody can control them". Saying all of it in a 5 minute thicc exposision. It felt hamfisted to me, kind of like the first order. Just my take tho

The banished are an enemy that grew out of a power vacuum, left by the covenant it makes them predictable

What is it lately with franchises creating rogue, splinter group/ terror cells as their primary antagonists but portray them fighting (and succeeding) in conventional pitched battles against established nation states? I think it is kinda interesting to have the main threat be from a shadowy rogue group but if you’re going to go that route they are going to need to fight asymmetrically or its just a really poorly thought out conventional enemy.

The Banished are much more believable in Halo Wars 2 where Atriox has taken his most powerful vessel (at this point the Banished fleet was just the Enduring Conviction, an unnamed Ket-pattern battlecruiser and presumably some small raiding vessels) and the majority of his forces to the Ark in an attempt to set up an industrial base but after 4 months Captain Cutter and the Spirit of Fire arrive and the two equally matched forces face off. The Banished were written to pose a threat to the SOF, a single ship that was isolated from the rest of the UNSC, not be able to pull of anything like Halo Infinite's opening scene.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Banished are still active while the Created are off doing some galactic supremacy stuff, my understanding Cortana and Co are attacking everyone.

@blackdragon6

3 жыл бұрын

Shhhh 🤫....people hate that plot cause it's not the status quo.

@or6397

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is that’s why they want the Halo ring. That’s their ticket to destroy the Created and humanity. If they kill humanity then you can never make another Smart AI. The only reason Atriox took the Ark was because Cortana knocked out the UNSC fleet. So it’s a plot point that they’re taking advantage of the chaos this rampant AI has caused.

@the_corvid97

3 жыл бұрын

@@or6397 They use the ring they destroy themselves, don't they think Atriox is dead? The only use for the ring is as an ultimatum but I still don't see how they could pull it off with Guardians EMP'ing anything that tries to leave atmosphere.

@or6397

3 жыл бұрын

I think that’s just the wording Escharum uses. The will of Atriox because they’re carrying out his plan. Since he talks about it being his last fight my guess is that it’s a suicide mission. Tactical pulse human space which is ground zero for the Created.

@the_corvid97

3 жыл бұрын

@@or6397 That's an interesting idea I must admit.

They would make an interesting neutral faction. A Minor Player.

In the banisheds defense a small elite force vs a larger and less potent one is probably one of the best scenarios for that pirate style operation.

Is Attila a good bar to compare someone to? Attila failed every campaign he ever launched. Either way, beyond logistics, there is the issue that the Banished's role in Halo Wars 2 is fighting one ship and losing every engagement they took part in.

This is gonna be interesting

Ah yes, the Supernatural approach to introducing new villains.

What I would have loved to see is if the UNSC broke apart, as stated in the lore of the books and etc, the UNSC or UEG is made up of numerous nation's spanning continents or planets. The only reason it didn't fall apart sooner was because of the covenant who served as the greater enemy. But since the Covenant has fallen I would love to see if the UNSC splintered into different factions in the aftermath of the war. (This is assuming that Halo 4 and 5 never happened)

The Banished are an interesting concept for another FACTION, not for a standin for the Covenant or Flood as principle existential threat. I think that's 343's main mistake (at least in this case; other mistakes are WAY worse). The Banished are interesting, but not in the way they're being used.

THANK YOU!! What was said towards the end was something on my mind when I played Halo Wars 2.

there was a line in a webcomic that went, "a lion can kill a wolf, but wolves hunt in packs."

A better analogy to best describe why the Banished were winning against the Covenant is that the Covenant is the USA and the Banished is Vietnam one has an actual military that can take on anyone but the other is using gorilla tactics to avoid attacks and hurt them more. As the UNSC as actual worlds that can be targeted the Banished didn't have any which made it harder for them to be directly attacked and while if they ever go on an actual war they will lose and since they seem to now be an actual army they will in any realistic sense lose against any other established force. Cause they will now hold worlds that will change their entire way they do warfare.

Another good representation of it is the Japanese on the Kokoda track. One of the things the Australians did was to pull the Japanese down the track slowly and it took the Japanese longer than they thought so at the end the Japanese ran out of supplies and the Australians were getting closer to there supplies

Well, given the end of Halo Infinite (won’t spoils the ending for those who haven’t seen it) it is possible that Atriox does have something in mind. So there may be some plan in the making.

Atriox and the banished always struck me as power hungry thugs. They are tough, vicious but more predictable than the covenant

You seem to forget that after cortana the UNSC can't mobilise many ships without attracting attention from the guardians. They are effectively as splintered as the banished

Halo needs their own Grand Admiral Thrawn.

_"Logistics ... as vital to military success as daily food is to daily work."_ - Alfred Thayer Mahan _"You will not find it difficult to prove that battles, campaigns, and even wars have been won or lost primarily because of logistics."_ - Dwight D. Eisenhower

@jakespacepiratee3740

Жыл бұрын

I doubt the Banished lacks that when they build massive factories wherever they go.

I do not commenting often but this kind of videos are awesome especially with all the background knowledge originating from classical sources. I loved the vid about building a interstellar navy as well. Great work!

Id prefer if the Convent remnants still remained as nuisances or servants to the Promethens. The Banished are just the repainted Covenant.

The stakes aren't high because he is going to invade earth. The stakes are high because the Spirit of Fire is cutoff from the UNSC and Atriox is going to kill the people of the Spirit of Fire. This is more akin to a horror survival film like Riddick or Alien than it is a total war piece like the first 3 halo games. Even in Infinite, its the fact that Infinite is gone and the soldiers on Zeta Halo are cut off that makes everything Dangerous.

Also atroix crushed a spartan helmet which by the way is made of the same titanium that capital ships are made of so yeah he's really just overpowered to make him seem more important

When everyone forgets Earth and her colonies have been taken out by Cortana that’s what happen when we just don’t go look up some lore videos but oh well

Theoretically Atriox could use his cult of personality and potential victories against the UNSC to unite a league or Federation of those unhappy with UNSC’s Hegemony.

@Enderguy059

3 жыл бұрын

It's already been implied that the Banished have traded with criminal human orgs, and Atriox is more than welcoming to bring them into the Banished's fold if they can prove their worth.

My impression was that the banished absorbed a lot of the supply chain from the remnants of the covenant. They are definitely building ships and weapons. They also show a pretty strong ability to adapt and repurpose. And The UNSC is substantially impaired by the AIs. I believe they lost the ability to use the industrial might of most of their colonies.

this one's system of should-be opportunistic 'free' choices of other [Flower] sections is what's 'LM' being singled out behind Mammon-walls (by that word ironically at the end of this one's titled video).

I think it was implied in halo infinite that the UNSC lost the war with the banished

@tootyfruity70

3 жыл бұрын

Atleast on the ring, The UNSC is kind of falling apart due to a majority of their artificial intelligence staging an uprising with the aid of ancient forerunner war machines, leading to the banished getting more ballsy with their attacks (the Ark and the halo installation in Infinite)

They seem like a smaller covenant. Great video

I like to believe the reason the covenant didn’t crush the banished was because they were held up by humanity and the flood

Man, you nail it for me. When the Banished and Jul'mdama covenant was revealed I was very disappointed. In lore before the Covenant war, humanity was at war with insurectionist who are basically outer human colonies versus the UNSC who are the inner human colonies. A lot of books mentions that aside from Harvest and some outer colonies, the Covenant basically bum rush the inner colonies and Earth, utterly destroys it's fleets, industries, resources and population. I mean even when the war was between human and aliens, do you really tgink that after the war was over, the outer colonies would go: "yip dee doo, that was a nice war chaps lets go back to tilling fields for the inner colonies". Heck no, they would immediately declare independence, scavenge covie tech, ransacked ex UNSC weapon stockpile, hire Kigyar pirates and mercs to take over the inner colonies. Wouldn't it be great if for the Halo sequel we got to fight human using sangheli tech, carrying Kigyar power shields and using mixed bullet and plasma weaponry? Not only so, it would create a great political dynamic where the outer colonies would be secretly backing Jul'mdama covenant to wipe Arby Sword of Sanghelios, because they know that if Arby won, he would ally with humanity and fight them? The possibilities!!! Instead we got Covenant 2 electric boogaloo and Covenant 3 red go fasta.

The whole mercanaries thing seems kinda off, that should've occurred mostly after the covenants collapse with warlords hiring now jobless soldiers and bidding for the most capable ones.

Dan Carlin would be pleased to see those quotes and analogies being used I’m sure. So glad to find out you’re a hardcore history fan also!

The Banished should have joined the UNSC, if anything, they'd be mercenaries for ONI or some other group. Maybe the Arbiter would hire them to fight against the Prometheans and the Storm Covenant.

The Covenant has always crushed all uprising, but the Banished. You just do not know enough about the Banished.

@WolfeSaber9933

3 жыл бұрын

@Deadass, b Or just not enough info.

The bannished are the exact thing Spartans were desinged for. Drop a team in, literally decapitate their leadership amd watch the "organisation" pull itself apart amd become irrelevant.

The Dan Carlin reference 👌 I love it.

20:18 What kind of Scarab in the background is that?

What a great video! Really made me laugh a lot at the end.

I think you really understated how capable Gauls were again the Romans. They weren’t just barbarians, with unsophisticated supply lines or military tactics. They outsmarted, out supplied, and outwitted Roman armies and generals numerous times across their wars and occupations, and had their own brilliant generals and one sided victories.

I mean. I found it off how in the halo infinite trailer, the Banish won.....but the spirit of fire literally held them at bay, they did a damn good job at them. Plus sure, the covenant didn’t get atroix, but do you think they were actually trying? Chief and blue team killed like a million of them and destroying lots of their ships, which was only a small set back. I mean the unsc had the Spartans and I believe they banish had to come into power around when the elites defied the Covenant and started a rebellion. I mean we see what the covenant did to planets like Reach, Harvest and Arcadia and what they did to Earth in awhile. I’m possible they could’ve found where atroix was and cripple his army.

Halo Infinite switching gears completely to focusing on The Banished and resolving the entire story set up in H4 and H5 off-screen because of fan backlash is the single greatest example I can think of as to why fans need to shut the f*** up with the toxic backlash until a story is finished being told. We were denied the conclusion of that story arc because some of us have displayed a shocking inability to let the storyteller finish what they're saying and we demand these drastic changes mid-franchise, which has historically NEVER gone well, and then we blame the storyteller AGAIN when their attempt to course correct away from their original vision feels as forced and half-hearted as it inevitably was.

I have the exact same opinion with the Banish as well! One of my biggest questions I have with the faction is why are they choosing to fight head on with the UNSC if they are just a really big pirate or raider organization? Fighting head on with the UEG is suicide for the faction as mentioned in this video. The Banish will not last long with a conventional war of attrition due to the nature of their faction as previously said, and I see Atriox more as Stellaris Great Khan crisis event that just so happened to spawn really late into the game with the end game crisis running amok haha. Overall, the Banish do not look scary, and they seem more like a wildcard in the grand scheme of the Halo universe. I play too much Stellaris and Paradox games haha.

God dman that halo wars 1 footage brings back some great memories 🙌

I hope 343 keeps them as a major thorn for the UNSC. The Banished are trying to survive, so small skirmishs here and there would be a great way to keep them going. They're only a galactic threat when they get their hands on a weapon or resource like a Halo, but they're only a threat because of what they have. The Banished the covenant version of the UNSC's "insurrection (innies)" which Spartians were originally designed and made to quash. Let them be a "major" threat when they do show up because they screw with everyone else plan.

Hey, the Barbarian tribes defiantly helped put an end to the Roman Empire.

@nicholasp9239

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, no. German-Slavs-Steppe tribes didn't match Rome. As shown by Claudius in Britain, Nero in Israel or Trajan in Dacia, Rome in I-II centuries A.D. could master 50,000-100,000 in a single campaign. Tribes had no this strenght. Things changed in Marcus Aurielus reign when the tribes started for many reasons to unify themselves in powerful Confederations like Franks, Vandals, Alemans etc... Even so, their power was far lesser than Rome. Rome fell because Romans devoured themselves in bloody civil wars. Of course Kings like Geiseric of Vandals did many against Rome but it was a very limited thing. A dying Rome with Aetius or Maggiorianus literally forced tribes in submisson. After civil wars the greatest threat to Rome was the Sassanid Empire in the east and at last it was defeated by half empire in VII century.

@jovialmonster757

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasp9239 hmmm, sounds a bit familiar the UNSC already crippled by a civil war with its AI is attacked by a group formed from many remnants of the covenant (silent shadow, brute packs, possibly the harbinger etc...)

@gumgumdookuin7963

3 жыл бұрын

That's debatable. We really dunno what caused its collapse. Theories, yes, but no real answer. Get four historians in a room and you'll get ten answers for what caused it.

@nicholasp9239

3 жыл бұрын

@@jovialmonster757 A rebel AI is not a civil war. Splinter factions depend on how many big are

You got me with the reference to Dan Carlin. Well played, sir.

God, I really am glad that someone else detests the Banished as a 'More dangerous than the Covenant' faction. Practically everyone I would talk to about Halo would be like, 'AH THE BANISHED ARE SO COOL, THEY'RE BADASS!' Meanwhile, I'm just sitting over here facepalming at Isabel's quote being like, 'It makes literally zero sense, and the Banished have huge early 2000s villain of the week vibes.' The Banished are a rule of cool faction trying to be shoe horned into a universe based on semi-realism and a real world idea of attritional warfare and logistics. It just doesn't work from a writing standpoint.

@FrostbiteDigital

Жыл бұрын

Oh blow it out your ass, if you actually played the fucking game you'd know that the Banished literally have a logistical network on the Ark, harvesting resources and fuels as well as building their own equipment and gear. They're a self-sustaining faction through and through. Really don't need to mock people

@Jenn-lq9yu

Жыл бұрын

I really have no idea why you think I was mocking anyone. If you're implying that my 'AH THE BANISHED ARE SO COOL' bit was mocking people, you have a very different definition of mockery than I do. Clearly, the opinion Templin and I share about the Banished being overrated is in the minority, so why don't you blow it out YOUR ass? I'm just enjoying that there's at least one other person out there in the universe that share's my distaste for the Banished as a faction.

well, i come from the future of this video and the banished can destroy the most powerful spaceship in four minutes, we have banished for a long time

Physical strength does matter though. It determines the amount of unpowered armor, the weight of weapons, and how much heavy equipment you need for repair and maintenance (who needs a fork lift or a jack when you are just as strong). And that is assuming no melee combat. And if you have a high strength to weight ratio, then you can handle many wounded. Either way, you can secure more prisoners of the enemy.

I think the silver bullet to the Banished was the same silver bullet as a lot of Infinite: it's a sequel to a game that never existed. Not as many people played Halo Wars 2, and even fewer read the comics/novels, so when we meet the Banished in Infinite they're already an established superpower that's outsmarted Cortana and crushed the UNSC without buildup and with barely any explanation, so it feels really sudden and forced. And because Infinite is so focused on what's immediately happening, we get basically zero in-story lore or context about the Banished. Like, I know their backstory and philosophy, but I can barely tell you what their actual GOAL is.

10:20 I will say to be fair -- and this isn't communicated in the main campaign, which is a huge problem -- Atriox built the Banished as more of a Mongol Khanate than a mercenary company. It was built on the idea of self-determinism through conquest and plunder, rather than religious piety and self-sacrifice. In the supplementary material and Infinite's audio logs, he comes off as a genuine revolutionary and quasi-philosopher. So when he dies, he becomes a martyr and an example for the Banished to keep fighting. However, I do not think this is remotely well told in the game proper.