Ben tried so hard not to embarrassed this dude...

@markusTegelane

Жыл бұрын

It was Todd, who embarrased himself.

@Simple_Jackass

Жыл бұрын

@@markusTegelane - that's what I was going to say lol.... you're definitely right!!

@Evan11J

9 ай бұрын

Todd is a fraud

"Hmmm well we've gotten absolutely nowhere listening to Todd, let's punch in Omnigamer's numbers. Oh, it worked first try. Well thanks for coming, Todd!"

@blues963

6 жыл бұрын

lmao

@coachmcguirk6297

6 жыл бұрын

Coach McGurk nice name. You forgot the "i" though. Or was that name taken? Hehe

@cypresscustoms

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@blues963

6 жыл бұрын

at least I didn't spell it Coach McGeek :)

@Beenbarian

6 жыл бұрын

Except it failed the first time 😂. But I get your point

I am amazed that Todd agreed to this. This is probably going to be embarrassing for him.

@karljobst

6 жыл бұрын

It shows that he is insanely deluded, not that he achieved the time.

@videogamepolak0

6 жыл бұрын

shows u can say whatever you wanted back then without cellphones/easily handy technology to record fact/truths.

@zacharymop

6 жыл бұрын

It speaks to his confidence in the corrupt system of twin galaxies maintaining the status quo in spite of overwhelming evidence whilst defying all common sense.

@casedistorted

6 жыл бұрын

VideoGame Polak I would agree, back then we had crappy technology and it wasn’t way to do these things to disprove what someone said. Now it’s all coming back, karma is a bitch.

@stevenchaloner162

6 жыл бұрын

+zacharymop yeah well that confidence wasnt well placed, all his records have just been pulled from tg and he is banned, maybe todd can still get a guinness world record for longest scam but anything else is getting stricken from them as well

Todd: "You can only get 5.51 when you play by yourself, with no cameras, and no visible evidence".

The act of measuring the record collapses the quantum state rendering it unobservable.

@TheVergile

5 жыл бұрын

relevant.

@gregorycook5305

4 жыл бұрын

Collapsing wave functions and Schrodinger's car paradox. Entertaining sir.

@DarkShroom

4 жыл бұрын

where were you when todd was left hanging lol.... you could have taken his lies to a new level

@MaffeyZilog

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, the Chopra defence.

RIP

@lafrancedaniels

6 жыл бұрын

EZScape didn’t you make a video on this guy?

@2prize

6 жыл бұрын

tell your appolla to comment i want to upvote his comment but not your you cuc cc

@ColinMK

6 жыл бұрын

In the first part of these episodes they used your thumbnail as a image near the beginning of the video

@stevenchaloner162

6 жыл бұрын

EZScape was this a premonition of todds scores getting pulled from TG? RIP todd rodgers

@robertwallen1582

6 жыл бұрын

L Daniels yes EZ did and he hasn't made a video correcting his video yet which praised Todd!

Todd Rogers used to claim that he started the game in 2nd to get his 5.51. So why didn't he explain how that worked so that he could achieve it now? My guess would be because he forgot about that lie.

@wompastompa3692

6 жыл бұрын

Ozrith Clay According to the TASer that started this whole situation, if you were able to start in 2nd the way Todd describes, something like a 2.×× is possible.

@ozrithclay6921

6 жыл бұрын

Not on the video I saw. He said you needed both in 2nd and already be moving. But that's beside the point. Why didn't Todd even bring that up here? My guess is he would have to prove it and he can't. PS a few months back I saw Todd Rodgers on video saying he feels cursed that he can't get better than a 5.7 when on camera. Interesting that that's what his instructions got here. Almost like he doesn't even know how to get a better speed.

@thesphericalguy9018

6 жыл бұрын

Because he knows it doesn't actually work

@kadafi1987

6 жыл бұрын

and even if he did it would still not be a GLITCHLESS run

@leonardoluizleal4409

6 жыл бұрын

Nego Rego Ala um br q entende de speedrun

Twin Galaxies has made a verdict. Tod has lost. ALL of his scores have been removed and he has been banned.

@lightningprowess6031

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah,at least they fixed it not like Todd

@mjp29

Жыл бұрын

Twin Galaxies shouldn't be allowed to be the official high score entity, because they took waY WAY too long to make this verdict! The Guiness of World Records should choose another entity to decide who it prints.

I bet when Todd, The Human Element, agreed to do this, he thought that they'd get scores lower than 5.51 making his WR all the more plausible.

@ricarleite

2 ай бұрын

Yes he's that dumb. It's ok. He and the Donkey Kong guy are gone

Ben knew he was lying the whole time 😄

@Mitjitsu

4 жыл бұрын

But his purpose was never to expose Todd.

@armandoschneider3328

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mitjitsu he wanted to be polite

@RetrofIex

3 жыл бұрын

True but he’s nice about it and doesnt want to humiliate the guy

@anthony452

3 жыл бұрын

Had to have been super awkward. I think he was actually paid to help clear Todd of the accusations.

I think I figured out what the problem is. Todd Rogers is a liar.

@Trimint123

6 жыл бұрын

Jack Ryan Everyone is thought of that already. As they soon thought it's impossible, we're know he's a liar.

@nikku3184

4 жыл бұрын

Trimint Pikachu no shit he was joking

'The king of video games' It's nice Todd Togers stayed modest.

Longest Fake WR

@JorgeRamos-sk9hj

4 жыл бұрын

@Base Bass Forte Not anymore hahahaha.

Ben, your computer just isn't fast enough to compete with Todd Rogers: King of Video Games

@edd8914

6 жыл бұрын

H U M A N E L E M E N T Kappa

@Trimint123

6 жыл бұрын

He didn't get his nickname like that. He made it by himself.

@digitalblasphemy1100

6 жыл бұрын

Trimint Pikachu you're just jealous of the king

@Trimint123

6 жыл бұрын

Dandypanty It's fucking true. He called himself that.

@digitalblasphemy1100

6 жыл бұрын

Trimint Pikachu nah he's just known that way for being so amazing

Just imagine being Todd Rogergs sitting and lying to someone straight to their faces while cameras are running, for several hours.

"Well I think there's a lot more testing to be done!" Ben's stare into the camera after that cheat of 30+ years said that says it all 😂😂

Damn, why would Todd do this? He just buried his own grave on this WR thing.

@DrewberTravels

6 жыл бұрын

the offer for this was higher than he anticipated potential earnings speaking about it in the future.

@anagramconfirmed1717

6 жыл бұрын

Dug*

@ThanatosIRL

3 жыл бұрын

Im still confused about the other two people who got it before him. Rogers says they were disqualified but doesnt say why.

@vozu13

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThanatosIRL He invented the story about a Customer Rep calling him to ask about in-depth shifting techniques for that reason. The story claims that the other two were disqualified because they couldn't provide an explanation that would include a different method of playing than a "perfect computer" did. But the dev of the game admitted to at most mathing out a theoretical best, and that he wouldn't ever split hairs over milliseconds -- he would simply assume his theoretical was wrong.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

Жыл бұрын

Attention and money.

This is ridiculous. Even IF 5.51 turned out to be possible, it doesn't prove that he ever did it. What happened to starting in second gear which he has been babbling about for decades now? No mention of it at all in this video, kinda strange if you ask me. He's already had several records removed. The only sensible thing is to pull this one until he performs it "again" on camera.

@thesphericalguy9018

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, the past month has just continued to expose him. It's kinda sad really

Thanks for doing this Ben!

@pacmantab

6 жыл бұрын

It will be interesting to see what Part 3 has in store....

@matthewlister3755

6 жыл бұрын

You did it first man! All this does is confirm your spread sheet analysis. I knew your weren't lying. I still watch your world record video when I need a pick me up. Your "F%$#@ YEAH!" never ceases to put a smile on my face. And you did it before Darbian, who is no slouch by any standard! When it comes to speedrunning you're a legend man, embrace it.

I admire how Ben treated Todd all through this. He gave him the benefit of the doubt and when the results proved inconclusive, Ben simply thanked Todd for coming and granted him the opportunity to maintain face if any. Emily Post couldn't have exhibited more class.

TR looks like a discount Ron Jeremy

So... that's a no. 5.57 is the best you can get? Also why was his claim of starting in 2nd gear not looked into? I know you probably didn't want to embarrass the poor guy but it is time to put this to bed.

@JockMurphy

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think they said this was the last episode, just that this is the progress so far. They had to validate the approach and test against the spreadsheet.

@Faulheit

6 жыл бұрын

jd52wtf come to think of it, if you could start in second gear, then a 5,51 would be a really bad time

@JockMurphy

6 жыл бұрын

Sure, and I would love to see someone either prove or disprove if starting in second gear is possible. This episode was about testing Ben's hardware and testing methodology. This is the middle of the story, not the end

@YourTVUnplugged

6 жыл бұрын

Yea it's easy to start in 2nd gear or 3rd or 4th, but starting in second gear doesn't really seem to help you, for the same reason starting in 4th gear won't help... Change address 0xCC (player 0's gear) to 02... Stella cheat code: CC02... A side effect of starting in a gear allows you to start the race before the countdown timer elapses but you also have to make sure not to shift until it does or it still catches you 'starting early' you just can't shift early but you can cheat by already being in gear :D (apply the cheat, unpause the game, pause it and unapply it [so you aren't stuck in 2nd gear the whole race]) Is that possible to do without cheating? I haven't seen a way that it is... Upon reset of the game the gear is reset to 0 (neutral) along with initializing all the other variables it initializes, and you can't skip past gear 1 to get to 2... You can just immediately shift into 2nd gear at the start of the race, but similarly to the cheat method it doesn't yield a positive result (you've slowed yourself down by not being in the optimal gear)

@JockMurphy

6 жыл бұрын

That is genuinely interesting, and I hope Ben Heck cover that and test it through the different variations. I do not have a dog in the race. I am not especially disposed to Rogers, I care about the process; which is what I have been saying

I found out how he did it. He tried to take a picture of the screen as soon as the rev bars disappear, which is about 5.07, and ended up getting 5.51. He then sent the polaroid in and claimed it was his finish time, when in actuality it was a picture of a race in progress. All those stories of live events and going over computer models of the game are lies too.

Todd seemed really nervous the whole time.

@Helladamnleet

11 ай бұрын

You know part of him was hoping the machine would be able to do it or at least get close

Todd claimed he did a 5.51 at two different electronic shows with Activision and yet there's zero proof of that either.

Notice he doesn’t bring up that “shifting into second gear before the race starts” bullshit? He’s not going to mention that to a guy who can prove that it’s impossible.

@danejurus69

5 жыл бұрын

That absolutely proves he is lying about the record

@PreciousLuna1988

5 жыл бұрын

@@danejurus69 god forbid someone lie about their dragster time.

Ladies and gentlemen....WE GOT 'EM!!!!!

Lol "I preformed it live twice" (without video proof) but I can't seem to do it when there is a camera around lol Rogers is a tool

@CC-jb5id

6 жыл бұрын

Christopher Alday Not really fair on the tool, they are useful after all

@RetrofIex

3 жыл бұрын

He said actually he did a 5.51 3 times total with 2 being live which blew my mind

Want to know what would have made this even better? For someone to break in with "Excuse me Ben, but there's a guy named Karl Jobst on the line."

its almost like Todd's theories were "blown"

17:15 that awkward moment when Todd realizes he’s caught and starts scratching his head, and Ben is feeling super uncomfortable. Look at their faces after omnigamers data. Haha

Todd's face after that 5.57, you cannot put a price on it.

Todd is a liar

This Guy faked a WR, even original developers said his time is not possible, the code has even been looked over digit by digit and the evidence of all possible times published, why does he still insist his WR is legit and go around conning people when its been proven humpteen times by different people using different lines of evidence, that its fake.

@JockMurphy

6 жыл бұрын

Except that David Crane the developer of Dragster has said that he witnessed the 5:51. “Activision validated Todd’s Dragster score using the accepted methods of the day,” Crane said. (kotaku.com/doubt-and-drama-still-haunt-an-old-seemingly-impossibl-1796714894)

@thechocolatefactory

6 жыл бұрын

no you're fake! humpteen isn't even a real number!

@videogamepolak0

6 жыл бұрын

twin galaxies has the tape, you just cant see it

@Kampbeltown

6 жыл бұрын

No one can, the tape doesn't exist

@abelincoln7473

6 жыл бұрын

Well it is entirely possible that the Atari console that was originally used, glitched or dropped a few cycles ive seen RTC's drop tenths of seconds before due to inconsistent power.

In the first 30 seconds you can already tell you’re dealing with a conman. No one in real life introduces themselves by what they’re “known as” unless it’s for entertainment - maybe someone like a WWE wrestler hyping up their persona or a rapper bragging in a song. Just imagine hearing “Hi I’m Tom Brady, known as the king of football”, or “Hi I’m Magnus Carlsen, known as the king of chess”

@dycedargselderbrother5353

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the closest you'll get is "I'm Tom Brady of the Superbowl winning Patriots and Buccaneers" and even then that's something you generally hear from a second or third string player and probably in some sort of endorsement. Name-brand people tend not to come out with qualifiers. The Simpsons had an entire character based around this concept back in the day: D-list actor Troy McClure. He would constantly remind the audience of productions he starred in, and they'd always be Dragster-tier productions no one in-universe was familiar with. It's too bad Phil Hartman died before his time because it'd be funny to see an episode where it turns out Troy McClure has lied about most of his resume.

Came to watch Rogers get exposed, stayed for the coding and deconstruction. That was awesome.

I find it odd that a famous videogamer from the early 1980's aged into becoming a Super Mario lookalike.

Ben is a class act . He knew what was coming

His record was just officially removed from the record books.

@lightningprowess6031

6 жыл бұрын

And he's banned for life

Ben: "...I have to cheat with a computer." Todd: [mumbles] "I have to cheat using a pedophile." Ben: "What was that?" Todd: "Uh...Time for me to be hittin' the ol' dusty trail..."

@pezyk

4 жыл бұрын

Jesse Ansell 😂😂😂

@chroboe

4 жыл бұрын

@John Perez It's in reference to a former Twin Galaxies employee named Ron Corcoran who vouched for Todd's records but Ron was arrested for molesting a child and is now serving 30 years in prison.

This had to be so awkward. Ben and pretty much everybody else there knows Todd is full of shit but they have to pretend like he isn't. Ben knows the computer is doing the fastest time possible in the game but has to say "there were some limitations that kinda held us back" when he know full well it is totally impossible to get the time Todd claims. Why didn't Todd try and play the game? He probably can't even get a 5.57!

I just think it’s so strange that he says he performed 5.51 twice live yet, there’s no evidence of it.

@Aethelhald

Жыл бұрын

There is evidence. There's the polaroid of his 5.51 score that he sent to Activisions. ...it's just a coincidence that they never sent the polaroid back and nobody knows where it is and they can't find anyone who says they ever saw it xD

You can't tell me there's not one other person who can duplicate this record considering it's a static strategy. No variance to it, it's just a trick. And with all these young guys now smashing old arcade scores at will, with this game's popularity now somebody surely would have replicated the time by now.

He got exposed

Ben totally forgot about the "human element" of lying.

Coming clean seems to be the hardest thing for this guy to do.

If Todd can't play front of the audiences then clearly it never happened

surely they could just use a brute force technique to prove it once and for all - leave the system running for a few hours, have it run every possible combination and find the lowest possible time.

@ABaumstumpf

6 жыл бұрын

has been done - same result. 5.57 is the best possible. Now we have bruteforce, direct hardware control, and cod analysis. Todd is basically claiming to have rolled 13 with 2 die that only go up to 6 each.

@JustWasted3HoursHere

6 жыл бұрын

What Ben should have done was just have Todd play the game right there, live and see if he can do it (while recording the actual joystick inputs).

@DarkOmicron

4 жыл бұрын

@@ABaumstumpf The "human element" gives you +1 to dice rolls, so he rolled 2d6, got 12+1

@trickysoft

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustWasted3HoursHere I'm worse at nearly every game than I was 40 years ago!

@JustWasted3HoursHere

3 жыл бұрын

@@trickysoft You know, I'm sitting here thinking... "A '1' can look very similar to a '7' if it's handwritten". I wonder if that's what happened and he just rolled with the error?

If any other person or computer could do better than 5.57 his claim would be more believable. If there were people getting 5.55, 5.53 etc. then maybe. He either cheated, lied or somehow mixed up a 7 for a 1 but no way he got 5.51

@TompaA

6 жыл бұрын

The time can't get be a 5.56, 5.55, 5.53 or 5.52. Each frame the timer increases with 0.0334, going 5.51, 5.54, 5.57, 5.61 and so on.

@BackForwardPunch

6 жыл бұрын

I bet you he confused 7 for 1. Then once he found out what a big deal that was, he shopped his photo and kept on saying he did it.

@joelsenders7900

5 жыл бұрын

@@BackForwardPunch I'm wondering if they weren't writing his times down on paper or something. Maybe over the course of hours of playing, they went back to look at what the best was, and the 7 looked like a 1. All it would take is for someone to say "is that a 7 or a 1" and Todd insist it was a 1.

Bro it's like being alone in a room in a friendly dinner with a serial killer who killed your best friend.

What about one of those self learning neural evolution programs, could it learn how to plat the game automatically ?

@NicolaiCzempin

6 жыл бұрын

yes. Somebody should add Dragster to the Arcade Learning Environment

@DJlegionuk

6 жыл бұрын

Also get a perfect score on decathlon.

@ConanRider

6 жыл бұрын

This needs to happen.

@ABaumstumpf

6 жыл бұрын

Pointless. This game is so simple that it is actually far easier to just run every possible combination of inputs than using any form of self improving system. better yet - somebody did the work, looked through the actual gamecode and crunched the numbers to get the best possible outcome - and it is 5.57 . That is according the the actual game code. Without manipulating the RAM or software somehow you can not get any better time than that. it is kinda like Todd claiming he got 13 by rolling 2 die that go form 1 to 6 only.

Now we just have to wait for TG to remove his record from the list

@casedistorted

6 жыл бұрын

El Calabeza it will happen one day.. when all of his friends working there finally die off from old age lol

@elcalabeza7563

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Anderson It literally just happened. Gotta wait and see what Rogers says now

@butwait

6 жыл бұрын

It's not just that record that is gone, all of it is gone, the man himself is banned.

@YourTVUnplugged

6 жыл бұрын

Nope Chris, see we can actually effect change when we expose fraud for what it is and press the issue and never let up, we were as relentless at exposing the fraud as he was at trying to defend it, actually even moreso! Expose lies and fraud wherever it exists and none of their 'authority' liar figures that say otherwise nor any of their propaganda media can stop us from realizing the change we want to see!

These computers performing inputs just don't the same capabilities Todd Rogers has. I mean, these simulations don't even take into account the h u m a n e l e m e n t.

@ozrithclay6921

6 жыл бұрын

PrestonsTV You mean lying? Go watch some TAS runs and you'll see how ridiculous that comment is.

@MarthSR

6 жыл бұрын

And Ozrith Clay's response is a prime example of the trope known as "Comically missing the point". Get your meme game up to speed! :P

@prestonstv3736

6 жыл бұрын

Understandable, have a nice day.

@logasoba

6 жыл бұрын

MarthSK Speedruns his memes dont have the d a n k e l e m e n t

Can't help but notice Karen is nowhere to be found while Todd the Creeper is in the building. Smart move.

Is it possible to write the input code using an exhaustive approach (within some sensible values) and keep it going for a few weeks/months while capturing the times?

ill never get that time back

@CheezMonsterCrazy

6 жыл бұрын

Neither will Todd. *Drops mic*

@Wtahc

6 жыл бұрын

-DepthCharge that is probably one of the most clever comments ive ever seen.hats off to you. would gild you

@kduhtdkzrt

6 жыл бұрын

-DepthCharge Sick burn!

@planet23k

6 жыл бұрын

No, I think John Hokanson wins that comment round. IF you know what is he referring to : D

Todd's Dragster trick posted at atariage forum: "TAP, TAP ..... TAP .... TAP ... TAP, TAP". He is such an amazing player! :)

I hold the world record for the number of Bigfoot sightings by a single human being.

A record robot!!! Love the episode, excellent work team!!!

nice haircut, Todd.

Anyone else just feel really bad for this guy even though he cheated? His entire life has revolved around this and it seems like he never had anything before or after. Does he have family? It's just so pathetic that a 50 year old would still be holding on and willing to sue people over records for game's that people don't even know exist anymore. Ask 97% of gamers and I bet they've never heard of this game.

@dycedargselderbrother5353

Жыл бұрын

I grew up just a little bit after this era and only kinda sorta remembered the game when the controversy started, and it may have been because I once started it up in an emulator when those became practical in the 90s. Same with Barnstorming. Besides the Todd Togers thing, these games are relevant only if you're interested in the early history of Activision.

@jaketheman091

Жыл бұрын

I really do, when looking past his cheating and tendency to lie. If you see interviews with Todd as a teenager, he just seems like a bright, sweet, humble dude with a lot of potential. But I guess once he grew up and competitive arcade gaming died out by the early 90s, he simply clung to his notoriety as a nostalgia act, sketchiness included. Away from gaming, he had it rough. He spent years working dead end jobs, and was in an abusive relationship with his wife, whom he kept his life as a gamer a complete secret. Then his circumstances just kept getting worse and worse, as he lost his brother in a drowning accident, his wife died of an overdose, and he almost lost his own life in a car crash. I think his notoriety in the gaming world is a bubble he constantly tends to stay in, since it seemed like the one thing in his life of any remote significance. If life was kinder to Todd, and he was honest, he could have seriously been a programmer to the same extent as Ben Heck or Omnigamer. He does come off very likeable and knowledgeable, at least on the surface, but I guess he'll forever be acknowledged as a pro bullshitter.

lmfao twin galaxies is so bad. Todd is dreading the day he's going to have to wake up without his hundreds of bogus self-given records in 25+ year old arcade games. His psyche really might collapse without his lie.

Just proves he can't even get a 5.57 fraudster

@videogamepolak0

6 жыл бұрын

fraud rogers as they call him, although he does have some legit plays

@RudyFerretti

6 жыл бұрын

Listen Laura curren is fake star fire 2 was never released her score is not older cat stfu u irrelevant snatch

@JockMurphy

6 жыл бұрын

It does nothing of the kind. The whole point of this episode was to demonstrate the hardware, test the software, and verify that the spreadsheet model worked.

@YourTVUnplugged

6 жыл бұрын

Then what do you call the world record page now giving a 404 not found error Jock? The record has been expunged, it doesn't matter what liars say, the score is impossible to actually get so it's obviously a fraudulently inserted record! So you see how people can lie even about something that's impossible that can be proven impossible? TRUTH AS THE AUTHORITY! Those who are liars are not speaking with the authority, they are contrary to it!

@kmenihantaylor

5 жыл бұрын

Rudy Ferretti darbian did

Good video, it got a bit vague but it looked like they got 5.57 as suggested by Omnigamer but not the magical 5.51.?

@KautionTape

6 жыл бұрын

Basically. I think it got vague because they didn't want to call out their guest for lying, but also didn't want to pretend that he isn't just BSing.

@roasthunter

6 жыл бұрын

Hey I've watched it again, all the analysis from Omnigamer seemed to stack up, I'm wondering if there were different versions of the code which may have allowed Todd to get a time that doesn't now appear possible.

@ozrithclay6921

6 жыл бұрын

Bear in mind that Todd Rodgers has already had records removed for cheating and lying.

His body language starts around 13:00 flat. Absolutely hilarious

I don't think they explained why they ran the omni data in 8 loops. but when you get anything from 5,57 to fail, there is for certain something there to take advantage of. why 8 ? is it possible to find another frame to start on?

Todd is so uncomfortable sitting there watching someone break the game. He never ever imagined this was going to happen.

17:13 - "It was at this moment..." You had a good run Tad! Or was it "Tim?" "Tom?" No, it was definitely "Tad." I remember because it rhymes with "SAD." Wait, where are you going with that rope, step-ladder, and s**t**n, Tad?! Tad, this is no time for arts and crafts!

Maybe more testing on the hardware is not what we need. Maybe what we actually need is to spend more time on the "Human Element".

@SpearM3064

6 жыл бұрын

DarkLightBoco The "human element" in this situation is irrelevant. We know exactly how fast the 6507 CPU is running (1.19 MHz, or 1190000 cycles per second). We know exactly how many cycles each instruction takes. So, for example, we know that a 2-cycle instruction like CLC (CLear Carry flag) takes 0.0000016807 seconds, and the slowest instruction (7 cycles) is 0.0000058823 seconds. We can analyze the program one instruction at a time and figure out *exactly* what the fastest run would be, assuming that everything is working as it should do. (In other words, that the 6507 is running at exactly 1.19 MHz and there are no weird electrical glitches that mess with the program.) It's only a 2 kB cartridge, and not all of that is program data. Plus, we only have to analyze the part of the code between the time the race starts and the time one player wins. It would still be time consuming, but not implausible. And the fastest run, based on every analysis done so far, is *not* 5.51, which is why Todd's record is in dispute. The burden of the proof, in this case, is on Todd.

@CheezMonsterCrazy

6 жыл бұрын

The human element has never been able to provide evidence of a 5.51. Thus we remove him and see if it is possible with perfect machine inputs. It is not. And so I name this "human element" Untruthium.

@DarkLightBoco

6 жыл бұрын

Of course the human element is irrelevant, it is a complete joke. I am just really annoyed with this whole dispute and I think many other people also are too. There is so much evidence against it yet it is still not removed. There is no way 5.51 is possible without some kind faulty hardware or bad rom being used or Todd's mystery trick he keeps lying about.

@MeepChangeling

6 жыл бұрын

Magic isn't real, stoner. You can't do something faster than the minimum time required to achieve that task in the way you're trying to achieve it.

I can't believe this guy agreed to come onto your show and be proven wrong and be recorded while doing it...

Will you be doing any further analysis on this?

It was gonna be the perfect crime for Todd Rogers. I guess he never thought technology would get to this point.

This guy is a Liar every time he has been asked to prove it he gives some BS excuse and he has never been able to do it on camera. Really you are just taking his word on it. HE IS A LIAR!

Imagine the psychopathy it takes to walk into a situation like this voluntarily when you know you were cheating all the long. Todd’s knowledge of electronics and technology must be so poor that he actually thought he could BS his way through what is physically and mathematically impossible.

I am seriously thinking how did this man bamboozled the referees he performed the record with

@zallard1

6 жыл бұрын

It's pretty easy when you're good friends with the referees... or you *are* the referee.

@ghos7bear

6 жыл бұрын

He's a marketing tool, made to popularize and promote games, of course they'd let him get all these "records"

@capthowitzer

6 жыл бұрын

No referee ever saw Todd perform this. Activision said they "trusted him," and so the official certification of this record comes from Rogers himself. Aaaaaand given his history of lying about his records, I'm pretty sure everybody in the know (so to speak,) saw this coming from about a mile away.

@Doodlebugdude

6 жыл бұрын

scrumpyboom Yeah, pretty revolting.

@EebstertheGreat

6 жыл бұрын

+capthowitzer He originally submitted the time via Polaroid to Activision. However, he and Acitivsion claim that they observed him get a 5.51 in person. He also claims he later got another 5.51 in a live performance. Obviously that can't be true, because a 5.51 is impossible. But neither TG nor Acitivision claims to have just trusted him.

"the king of video games" is a title he gave him self, and 5.57 seems to be the ultimate fastest time you can get, and thus video Ben Heck did proofs that 100% . you can jerk that joystick to the left all you want, it wont make you go faster than a program simulating the best possible runs!.

_What sort of things should we try?_ iono, honesty and a haircut?

ONLY question I have (not that I necessarily believe Todd Rogers, but more of a curiosity): would different models of Atari consoles behave any differently / result in different timings? i.e. a "Heavy Sixer" vs. a "Medium Sixers" vs. a "Vader" vs. a Junior (seen in the video)?

Came from Karl Jobst, just wanting to watch this classic.

Cringe & Painful to watch. Poor Mr Togers

Todd's face throughout "Oh shit"

Just to help me understand... I believe Ben said that one frame represented 0.03 seconds. So the difference between the 5.57 and the 5.51 is 2 frames. Correct? Or is it 4 because of the player 0 / player 1 interlacing?

todd sounds nervous like he knows hes about to be rumbled

Even today Todd still makes me laugh

Yikes. Also I love how apparently he was the one who started calling himself "The King of video games."

Love this, great episode(s) Ben.

Is it possible that Todd Rogers lied?

I wonder how Todd Rogers can still keep a straight face when he says 5.51 is possible. Maybe he's done it for so long that it's like reflex.

Why didnt you just record his input?

"there's a lot more testing to be done." Ben's face after he said that hahahaha

Is there going to br a part 3?

But what about shifting before the race?!?!1QUESTIONMARKONE!?

omfg

@Qwertyzoid

6 жыл бұрын

pwned

@karljobst

6 жыл бұрын

tbh

@jefftparker

6 жыл бұрын

Now 0:52 is a real record.

@brandonjc6695

6 жыл бұрын

Congrats on your new untied WRs my man

@everythingpony

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon JC what?

Speed Runner Darbian tired the world Record live on Twitch stream last year. He had a camera on his face and on his hands/controller as well as his TV. After he tied the record, he turned his face camera to his TV so you could see that the Twitch Stream was showing the same thing and that everything was lined up perfectly. He basically pulled off a TAS run on dragster with human input and if you watched any of his other world record runs on the multitude of games that Darbian runs, you'll notice that his reactions to front the world records are all the same. It's genuine.

@BlackWat3rGTR

6 жыл бұрын

Reactions to getting***

How long would IT takie to test every posible option?

Fraud Rogers

@jaysonlorenzon88

6 жыл бұрын

Fraud fraudgers

Just Skip to 11:15 lol

Todd looks uncomfortable and nervous towards the end. Full of shut when he says there is a lot more testing that needs to be done on the original equipment. Thank you Ben for exposing this 80’s cheat

That awkward moment when the spreadsheets proves right....

Does this guy really remember how to play this game / how the inputs have to be executed like 40 years later?

@deralfenderson

6 жыл бұрын

Well, he's known as "The King of Video Games", so DUH!

@ToriRocksAmos

6 жыл бұрын

Why did you puke Mr Pringels?

@YuriNator557

6 жыл бұрын

probably drunk

@TonyToon

6 жыл бұрын

I beat Quickman’s stage in MM2 without using the time stopper on the instant death beam portion on my first try the other day, after last doing it in ... 1993? Yet I can’t consistently remember where I park each day. Brains are weird at what they store.