I really love the idea that Wyman Manderly watches his weight to not participate directly on the battlefields so he could play to his real strengths. I think that's genius. Great vid, got a subscriber out of me :)

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex Park Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

@hamarbiljungskile8953

8 жыл бұрын

+AnAmericanThinks Imagine Wyman Manderly pulling an Uncle Iroh and revealing himself to be buff as hell. That'd be fun, as improbable as it is.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

Hamarbi Ljungskile LOL.

@iko5698

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex Park In theory yes but I dunno, that theory does have its downsides. Wouldn't he just be eating himself to an early grave during a fairly peaceful decade after Robert's ascension without any real wars going on, so nothing there to avoid? Unless he saw the war coming beforehand I guess which would support the theory of him working with Littlefinger, but still I don't know, it seems too convenient.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Cocoa99 I guess this depends on whether the people living in this world conceive of personal health in the way we do today where we understand that obesity can lead to a variety of health issues down the road, such as cardiac disease, etc. I'm guessing this is doubtful. Also, wars in this world can spring up from a variety of reasons and it's not like Manderly would have advance notice to start stuffing himself and gain weight so he doesn't have to go to war; he's gotta maintain a certain weight so that he always has his excuse ready.

This makes so much sense. Remember the siege of Duskendale? That event all began because of Maritime trade.

@naughtiusmaximus8339

8 жыл бұрын

+Egie Asemota The Defiance of Duskendale started because Lord Darklyn refused to pay his taxes and wanted Duskendale to receive a town charter.

@DoReMi123acb

8 жыл бұрын

+Praetorian Gaming yes, it was taxes. they once had a profitable port but Kings landing became more profitable and they had less money to pay taxes.

Most of the GoT channels seem to watch each others videos for inspiration, but don't cite the other channel as the inspiration for their own video on a subject. You did, citing Preston, then laid out a video that had an original premise, that more channels should take note of - that trade is the most frequent motivation for conflict in any society. Very well done, you've earned a subscriber. Have you considered that Manderly might be intending to marry Sansa to one of his sons, thereby gaining legitimacy in the eyes of the other Northern lords, and gaining the power for his own family without the time limit of a regency? Just a thought 😃

@datsweetsansabooty

8 жыл бұрын

I'm not to savvy on the books but I don't believe that northerners know that baelish has sansa hidden in the vale as he's parading her as her bastard daughter and she is using a different name. In the show we have yet to see manderly although I've heard he might appear this season and I doubt the show would go in that direction

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Coulter Wyman only has one surviving son, who is married. He does have some granddaughters who could be married to a Stark male. But I think that whatever marriage is negotiated with a ruler of winterfell will be negotiated by whoever ends up being King of the 7 Kingdoms. That's far too powerful of a marriage for the king to not be involved.

@michaelcoulter1114

8 жыл бұрын

AnAmericanThinks Lol, I'm re-reading the books, and trying to re-watch the shows in preparation for the next season, looks like I'd better get on with it! I've enjoyed both theory videos so far, keep up the good work!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Coulter Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them.

@HolasoyMai

3 жыл бұрын

Trade isn't the most frequent motivation for conflict, it is the opposite. That's why European countries stopped warring each other, because they started trading with each other more.

House Manderly has to be by far my favorite of the "lesser" noble houses in the series. After giving this a listen, I'm even more convinced of that. You sir, have earned my future viewings.

"Running around the north, trying to be king." Best description of Stannis I've heard.

These should be the mottos of ASOIAF: Cash Rules Everything Around Me (CREAM) Knowledge is Power

@karlbushtheII

8 жыл бұрын

Not north of the wall. Cash has no power there.

@datsweetsansabooty

8 жыл бұрын

And as cersei told baelish, power is power. Varys also had a great point, power resides where men believe it resides.

+AnAmericanThinks This is a good video. I like it a lot, you focused on the economics of the story, rather than making wild leaps in logic and potraying everyone as power-hungry, just as many people in the world of ASoIaF are greedy for money as much as power. Just as many people want to be House Lannister 2.0 rather than House Targaryen 2.0. No offense intended to Preston Jacobs, he catches some things I miss, but when Preston doesn't fill in gaps, he leaps over them to construct his theories. I think the other phrase to remember is something OTHER people said regarding House Stark. From Maester Luwin, to all the vassal houses (besides Bolton), and even Catelyn to Rob, have at least uttered the phrase once 'there must always be a Stark in Winterfell'. My thought process: The North has always been a military threat in the 7 Kingdoms , even during Aegon's conquest. Aegon brought all the other Kingdoms, and all 3 dragons to deal with the North, or convince them to surrender. It worked, but realize what that means. All the other kingdoms combined with 3 giant dragons and 3 (possibly magic wielding) Valyrians with magic swords... For one Kingdom? And only then did they 'bend the knee'? Not only that, but we see that even in times of Chaos that the North can field an army of size and strength that rivals that of the Lannisters and the Stormlands, possibly even combined. (Both Stannis and Tywin were equally intimidated by Rob's army.) Yet the Starks never really leave Winterfell, or seek conquest or glory, not like the Iron Born. The Starks seem content to manage, adjudicate, and 'rule' the North. They are not the wealthiest house, or even that wealthy. They make sure everyone has what they need, and that no one is screwing other people over. I think all the other houses at one time envied house Stark because of that power it grants them, but they see that with the Boltons in power, the 'balance' of power in the North is tilted. I think some people want the status quo back, and want to eliminate one of the houses that attempted to alter it. Sure, at one point Wyman probably thought 'hey I could totally rule the North and make even more money' but then after seeing the Boltons rise to power, and the targets that immediately got painted on their backs because of it, realizes the best way to make money and control power is to not be the guy at the top. Something the Starks probably realized thousands of years ago. Other little hints that come are some of the philosophy of ruling Ned leaks and teaches his sons... 'The man that passes judgement should be the one to swing the sword.' Etc. That concept that ruling, keeping the peace, and keeping the status quo so that no one is really in control over the other houses directly is what seemed to run the North for thousands of years. And it was only the unlawful killing of Starks by Southerners that could rile them up enough to rally behind the Starks. Imagine if Ned/Rob had attempted to call in the banners as soon as they 'figured out' it was Tyrion that had attempted to assassinate Bran, and to march on King's Landing or Casterly Rock. The North would have been like 'um, wtf, no? handle that your damn selves'. But attempting to kill the family that has done a great job ruling the North for thousands of years? 'Oh fuck no son, they let us do what we want, and now we want to fuck you up for fucking with them.' It seems to be a very Libertarian system in the North. And right now, with the Bolton's in power, it is no longer a Free Market based on competition.

@deleteduser121

8 жыл бұрын

the free market sucks

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

Hey, sorry I didn't see this until now, these are great comments! Thank you for watching.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+ryler05 Only if you aren't a Manderly.

@DefinitleyNotATroll

8 жыл бұрын

@ryler05 y

@idideleven

8 жыл бұрын

+AnAmericanThinks great video looking forward to hearing more from you

Boring fantasy physical geography can turn into awesome political intrigue real fast. Great video.

@jimsbox9219

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. He did a great job using economics to support his theory. I love stuff like this. It would be really cool if George added some additional economics related info in the next book.

"Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs." Excellent analysis +AnAmericanThinks Please make more! :)

@ramonalejandrosuare

8 жыл бұрын

Is that a patchface riddle?

@DiCleverly

8 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed Ramon Suarez​.

@ramonalejandrosuare

8 жыл бұрын

Di Cleverly Wow, Martin is fucking boss. Any other ones I should be on the lookout for?

@DiCleverly

8 жыл бұрын

I know, right Ramon Suarez​​? GRRM is the best at leaving cluez! Some of Patchfaces prophecies have already happened, like the red wedding one, "Fool's blood, King's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guest, and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye" but there is one that Patchface said up at the Wall: "I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will blow seashells to announce our coming". I've no clue what it means, but it sounds like foreshadowing the battle for the Dawn to me. What do you think it could be? :)

@ramonalejandrosuare

8 жыл бұрын

Di Cleverly Funny, I've been thinking about that particular prophecy after your Sir Manderly/Davos Seaworth post reignited my unhealthy Patchface prophecy obsession (He's the key to the whole thing, damnit!). The quote, "Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh" makes it seem like the War of the Dawn will he super-epic. But what if its not supposed to be taken literally but figuratively in the way "mermen feasting on starfish soup" isn't really about actual mermen but Manderly's devouring Boltons? In this interpretation an invasion/"coming" of Stannis forces will come with Manderly support on Valeryan (Seahorse sigil) ships? Aurane Waters, a Valeryan bastard, has a nice big naval fleet, thanks to Cersei. He abandoned the Lannisters when he heard she was imprisoned and his house was allied with Stannis in the War of Five Kings....

Let's not forget the possibility of Jon as well. Robb did name him as his legal heir in his will before the Red Wedding. Assuming the will made it north, and there is no reason to believe it didn't. Once Jon is revived he is technically Jon Stark, King in the North. At least according to the last will of the previous Stark king, and thereby any house still loyal to the Starks. Such as Umber and Manderly.

This is a beautifully captivating analysis. Thank you for this. From a one fan to another.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Lawrence N Thanks!

Possibly one of the smartest and thought out theory I've read in a while. Subscribed!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+mark brady Thanks!

You managed to have me interested when there was mostly just geography and politics involved. Kuddos.

20:00 Rickon would be the best option because he's the youngest leading to more time as regent :P

My expectation is that the last river is the border between the Karstark holdings and the Bolton holdings. Thus also adding it being a contested border between two houses as part of the reason why they won't really be a trade hub, likely double the interference from local lords looking to make a quick buck.

I don't think any other ASOIAF theorist/analyst has ever explored these particular angles you have presented. Very compelling, and very plausible.

I'd seen this video a year ago or something and I was reminded of it today due to the importance of rivers in a documentary about real-life that I just watched and I spent about an hour or more trying to find this video again. I think that should tell people something about how interesting I thought it was. Mostly because the economics underlying these ideas just feel like they're just drenched in Martin's thinking and real-life economics and their effect on history. Which I think is a way of looking at the series that a lot of youtubers really only superficially address.

Manderley can maintain control over Rickon longer than just being regent. He has two granddaughters he can marry to Rickon and control the North that way.

This is a brilliant assessment of what's happening in the North as far as the books are at. I love this video - please keep producing more. This was really detailed and thought provoking, you stayed on topic and, well, looking forward to the next. Thank you

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Margo Thanks! I've got the next one planned out; I just need to find time in my schedule to put it together.

Why haven't I found you sooner!? Awesome video man. keep it up

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Nate Kawasaki Thanks, glad you liked it!

I've watched this video twice and bookmarked it for reference. Thank you for your work! And, yes, I've subbed.

You earned another subscriber here. Well done sir. Looking forward to your next video.

Wow, really good video! Please do more (on any topic actually, though I'm especially interested in this plot). Thanks!

I would love to know your angle on how Stannis thinking Manderly killed Davos will affect the up coming story. Remember, Stannis isn't aware that Davos isn't dead... He says in Dance: "I sent my knight to parley with Lord too fat and where is he now?" That issue could cause a huge wedge in Manderly's master plan...

THIS. I like this. Really looking forward to your future videos!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Silvana Popa Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Preston is awesome. I really liked your video and hope you continue to make them. I look forward to your next.

I find it really hard to like asoiaf/got KZreadrs, most of them are overrated hacks who pander to the show watching crowd, have no new original ideas, and just read the wiki and the subreddit and that's how they get their content, but you and Preston are one of the few that I can still get behind.

sweet thank you. been needing some more ASOIAF theories

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Zackery Daley Thanks!

Very very good video! Looking forward to more such unseen content. You have a new sub :)

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+adidamle Thanks! I've got it in progress.

Not bad, much of the beginning I had surmised without knowledge of the rivers, but i like where you went with it

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Zachary Kool Glad you liked it!

I like the perspective of this video. Economics is a driving force of the game of thrones, and I think it is often overlooked. It also reveals some of the motivations of Roose Bolton other than him being a sociopath. It lays a practical groundwork for a Manderly/Umber conspiracy as well. You mentioned Manderly's cunning in tricking Roose Bolton, but I think it's implied in Dance of Dragons that Roose is very aware of Manderly's deceit. He puts the Manderlys and Umbers on the front lines when he counterattacks Theon's rescuers.

Well played Ser

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Don The Kraken Witt Thanks!

@Cedie1230

8 жыл бұрын

+Planetside o'fun He's set for a curbstomp in the books

Hi I just stumbled on to one of your videos only watched 2 vids so far and you already mentioned 4 out of 6 of my got youtubers,and now I have 7 .You make great videos and I'm subscribing thanks.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+john jimenez Thanks!

Just found this- very, very intriguing. Economics and power go together nicely. I now am thinking Manderly is planning ahead. Sansa could be paired up with one of his sons...thank you for an excellent video!

Great work. More evidence that GRRM thinks a lot about rivers and trade can be found in Fevre Dream, his fantastic vampire novel.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+zenmasterfu Ah, I will have to look into that, since I have only read ASOIAF, and now reading the Thousand Worlds stories in Preston's book club.

Your analysis is extremely well thought through, focused & concise. Excellent presentation! I hope to hear similarly structured 'situational' analyses for ASoIaF 'realities' & events going forward ;) Again great job! Also, thanks for sharing the reference links in the description. BTW, you might like 'The Revenge of Geography' by Robert D. Kaplan (2012) or 'Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin' by Timothy D. Snyder (2010). Both are great and horrifying reads but both helped me see a notion of "history repeats itself " within the constraints and opportunities of the land itself - the permanence of the mountain range or the span of the plain. Mirri Maz Duur's perverse declaration that change will occur "... when the mountains blow in the wind like leaves" seemed even more vile and cruel when I recalled these two books.

Really like this video. Well done, Ser!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Paul McCallum Thank you!

This was a good video you are pretty insightful and one day when I raise an army I'll need thinkers like you to help.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it!

Would like to see your theories on the underlying economic motivations of the other regions/houses of Westeros.

Great video. Never put a lot of thought behind the rivers in the North before, but this breakdown explains the motives behind the politics going on!

Typically I don't sub to theory makers or anything similar due to clogging up the list of content makers I watch often. However, this is so well done I have elected to ignore that and you have earned another sub today. Very well done Ser.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Jonathan Snow Hey thanks! I appreciate it.

Great job. I love the information graphics. You have a wonderful presentation voice.

@k8idid

8 жыл бұрын

In places that you say, "you can see-"'or anything about let's say, timber, town or mouth of some river or another, I'd love to see some identification marks. That'll be a little more tech, but would be so fun to watch.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+TrueStory good point, I'll try to put more of those in the next one.

Great video! Love the idea that Wyman can control all four rivers. I see him supporting the Starks as well. If he chooses to support Rickon (which makes the most sense), he can then marry Wynafryd or Willa to Rickon and solidify his position in the North. Wyman is in my top two favorite show snubs (the other being the Rooster, Jon Connington). Hope we get to see him in action next season. His son was at the Red Wedding in the show, and it seems they're doing a lot of North Remembers, so we have a chance to see him!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+mike cassady While I do enjoy the show, I've always known I wouldn't enjoy it as much as the books. There's simply no way a TV show can capture so much subtlety. But I think HBO is doing as good of a job as anyone can. Thanks for watching!

@kentlundhlanden2990

Жыл бұрын

@@anamericanthinks472 This didn't age well...

Another great vid. I'm glad to be one of your early subscribers and be able (I guess priviledged) to watch your channel grow. A dozen videos down the line you'll then ask for patreon support to fund an hd web cam or something. Just calling it.☺

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+dvest_slack_rs Glad you're enjoying it!

Well done. Love your take on Manderly's corpulence as a strategy to avoid military service. Brilliant! And GRRM is a bit chubby too. 😉

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+C Suderburg Thanks!

Good stuff, like the trade & resource perspective, which is usually the most important part of conquering & power plays. Good on you for noting the 2 other utube ice & fire channels I watch, Preston Jacobs & Rawrist! Can't wait to check out 1000 worlds, I just prefer hard copies over digital.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Atomic Sunrise They're both great! I highly recommend them. Thanks for watching!

DUDE! Here are some things you should look up: Equalizer, compressor, normalization, noise removal, pop shield.

Pretty solid geographic analysis. You could’ve also mentioned that Lord Hornwood asked Robb to dam the White Knife to add to the significance of it.

@anamericanthinks472

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, six years later and finally someone pointed this out to me! Amazing observation! I wish I could have addressed this in the original video, or even the follow-up. It ties in beautifully with everything going on here, and the interplay between the Manderly and Hornwood families.

@jameskluxen6723

2 жыл бұрын

@@anamericanthinks472 Agreed! Sorry it hasn’t come up sooner! I’ll have to check out the follow-up as well! Wanted to ask your opinion about a geographic question if you have a minute: Why does no one try to build a port on the east side of the Neck south of Moat Caitlin? The quickest way across Westeros east to west is by the Twins and the Freys would certainly contribute to such an effort. Though it seems like the Vale owns the area in question and terrain likely doesn’t support it. But still. Seems geographically efficient as a trade route.

new to the channel and im suprised by the quality of this video!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Boulik Macboulinkton Thanks!

you have just earned a subscriber... excellent work

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+The King in the North Thanks!

1 minute in and you already bored me to tears. well done.

Wow just found this channel. Really good.

Thanks for this video. Got a lot of interesting information from it

Wonderful, clever _and _ funny! You're really good at explaining things, you've got yourself another subscriber. I salute you. sir.....

I must say that I love this vid and all you've analysed. Question though: what is that plopping/clicking sound?

Great video, you just made a new subscriber :-)

Wow, much more interesting than I expected. thanks

Enjoyed! Waiting for more, more, MORE.

"...and because they're, well, Boltons." Seems rational. XD

Class vid! You're gonna be the next PJ!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+CommonSenseABC Well, I'm not sure about that; PJ is pretty good at what he does. I'm just enjoying myself and glad to be part of the fandom!

Great vid looking forward to more

Nice video Man really enjoyed it,

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Xojzk12 Thanks!

@dfair101

8 жыл бұрын

+AnAmericanThinks Agreed. Have my subscription Ser

excellent geopolitical analysis thanks

Good vid, I always thought that Roose was a "evil" just because he looks like Hannibal (Mads), but you put a pretty interesting and valid theory here, I'm studying history and yes, this shit happens mostly for socioeconomics and geopolitics that are not easy to see in the bare eye.

Great video, you've earned another subscriber good sir

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+datsweetsansabooty Thanks!

Great theory. very well researched and thought out.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Sergei B Thanks!

Very good video. Keep thinking... loudly! =3

Good job m8, the geopolitics of ASoIaF would be mint!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+HackFrauds Thanks!

You should do a video about the geopolitics of ASOIAF! :)

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+IZVERGAT88 Thanks! I've actually been thinking this over.

Nice summery , nice analysis and good audio quality. Please continue, I really liked your style of presentation. However I have a question, you said Mannerly would gain control of the Dreadfort and of Harwood lands, if his scheming is successful. Isn't it more likely that the Ubers gain control of the Dreadfort? You showed their interest because of the Last River

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Akainela Good question. To me control of the Weeping Water comes down to two things; control of the Dreadfort (with land forces) and control of the river itself with naval forces. Control of the river is the easiest assumption to make, since the Umbers don't appear to have significant naval forces; in fact, they were complaining to Ser Rodrik that the wildlings were raiding their coasts, so we know that they don't have a sufficient navy to protect themselves against wildlings, much less a rival navy. So the Manderly's with their fleet of ships will almost certainly be able to take control of the river. Control of the Dreadfort would essentially fall to which ever army gets there first. If you go back and look at the map again, the Umbers will either have to march all the way from Winterfell - where we know they have land forces - or they have to march down from Last Hearth, and to do that they have to march all the way around or through a mountain range. Meanwhile, the Manderly's also have forces at Winterfell, but they also have men in the Hornwood who have been skirmishing with Bolton men. So it would be a relatively easy march for them from the Hornwood to the Dreadfort. So I think the Manderly's get there first with naval power and with land power, so they end up getting the Dreadfort.

Good video, wonderful logic. I like it :)

Excellent analysis!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Mance Rayder Thank you!

Well done! The Manderlays were always my favourite side side characters and I can't wait for them to become more central to the story. As a Jew I just love the narrative of a merchant family that gets exiled from their homes and just rebuilds themselves stronger than before somewhere else. Also being the only southerner Lord in the North, being culturally different than his surroundings.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Maxben L Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I really like the Manderly's as well; I come from a business background, so anything that has to do with economics catches my attention.

This is great. Could you do a theory video on the Reeds and/or Littlefinger?

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Taryn Roberts Thank you! I've got a few theories I thinking of putting into video; Littlefinger isn't one of them unfortunately, but I will mention crannogmen in my upcoming video so stay tuned.

Great one! Go on!

wow nice vid mate, would love to see Stannis put Rikkon in Winterfell and Manderly run the trade, Just have to get through the battle first and be rid of the Boltons as they drown in the frozen lake

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Lee Hanney Glad you enjoyed it! You won't find much love for the Boltons on this channel. Or in the fandom in general. Or in Westeros for that matter...

Excellent insights, keep it up

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Mason Duke Thanks!

I happen to believe that lord Wyman is actually a diehard Stark loyalist. Reading what he says about the debt the Manderlys owe the Starks, ..."a debt that can never be repaid." sends shivers down my spine every time I read it. I also feel Wyman realizes that the will no longer be a King in the north, and that he wants Rickon to merely be a lord and warden of the north, perhaps marrying one of lord Wyman's granddaughters.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Yos Facej He might be a true Stark loyalist; if so that would be a nice change from the status quo of virtually every character in ASOIAF. I'm merely pointing out that he has SIGNIFICANT economic incentive to be a "Stark loyalist", or at least, to pay lip service to being a Stark loyalist and encourage others to do the same.

Holy shit. That torturous sound is in THIS video too! Man. These are SUCH GOOD VIDEOS. You have such a knack for narration and are obviously able to make great videos. Only to have it ruined by that damn tapping. UGH

Great video!

Growing season advantages are negated somewhat by the geophysics of Planetos. The only planting season that will be shorter, should be the last one prior to winter, rather than a yearly disadvantage, and perhaps winter abates last further north.

nice theory, and it makes a lot of sense as it gives Rickon a better role than the one of bait. too bad the show writers only introduced the Manderlys until the season finale where all of this is unvalid (in the show at least) except the part that they have complete control of the economy now that the Boltons are gone

Just discovered your channel..Nice vid..

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Annamarie Santos Glad you enjoyed it!

Just a thought. If you do get past the Iron Islands unscathed you end up in Lannisport or Oldtown, so surely the southwesterly-flowing rivers could be almost as economically significant as the southeasterly-flowing ones?

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

Actually I don't disagree with you; I think there probably is some trade that flows southwest, and the likely destinations are Lannisport and Oldtown. But if you compare that to the southeast, which leads not only to Gulltown, King's Landing, the Vale, the Stormlands, and Dorne, but also all of Essos and beyond, I'd say in general there are far more customers to the southeast than to the southwest.

@philipmarsh2172

8 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. But if someone had the balls to suppress the Ironmen they could maybe have themselves a nice little monopoly down the west coast.

Its no secret that events transpire in accordance to parallels in history. I think that this situation looks very similar to Francia c. 750; meaning that a dynasty of kings revered not only for the title they held but for the history of the house (merovingians/Starks), are essentially dying out. By this I mean that a child is left as the head of the dynasty. I think that GRRM will play out events in the north like this period in Frankish history, the 2nd most powerful house will act as de-facto wardens of the north through Rickon's regency. Eventually a descendent of Wyman will 'usurp' the title and rule as wardens of the north and we will see a Charlemagne-like figure. The prerequisite for this theory being that Reckon will be reinstated as the Lord of Winterfell.P.S. loved the video

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+FlamingNoob Squid Great comment! Thanks for watching.

My concern here is that if Stanis dies soon, ala the events of the show in the upcoming set piece battle against the Bolton. I have a feeling that manderly, based on his early interactions, may be content to be the power behind the throne regardless of the Boltons being gone or not. Even if nothing else changes besides that he has seen his family go from barely #1a/1b family to the power broakers in the north by which any decision made by a Stark or any other "ruling house" would have to go through him first.

15:54 The other big reason why House Manderly can't openly proclaim themselves rulers in the North is the fact that they are originally a southern house and still follow the Faith of the Seven.

Good work. I subscribed

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8 жыл бұрын

+Norman Swan Thanks!

Very well done and thought out.

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8 жыл бұрын

+xHugoxN7 Thanks!

@Fruzhin5483

8 жыл бұрын

+AnAmericanThinks isn't Stannis dead

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Vali Rusev If you're watching the show, it must certainly seem so. I make these videos primarily from the perspective of the books, so you will probably find some discrepancies between my theories and the show.

i propose to rename that theory to "hipitty hopitty your rivers are my property"

Please make more videos!

Very interesting. I'm really curious about Wyman's war galleys. What does wyman plan to do with them? Hand them over to stannis? Start some naval warfare? Sell them? Use them to fight off pirates from his trade routes? Use them to threaten others (from a politician's point of view)? Or is it a combination of uses? Honestly, to me, none of these options seem likely. These are warships, and as you've pointed out, wyman doesn't do war. Moreover, the Boltons are not likely to rule for much longer. Not sure if the whole family would be wiped out. Also, Wyman seems like the type that would take the boltons down, but might take himself down in the process. I think this because I still wonder why wyman left his heirs behind when he traveled to Winterfell. Additionally, he could have easily died. Also, I don't see how he would be able to take down the boltons. The umbers are a good start, but he would need more alliances, the boltons are too strong I think, especially with the freys present in the north... but again, wyman doesn't do war. I don't dude, curious to see what wyman will do outside the walls of winterfell come winds of winter.

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8 жыл бұрын

+ahmed kfji Lots of great points. As for the war galleys, they are a fascinating wild card and could be used for any number of things. For example; we know The Others are susceptible to dragon glass, and we know that Stannis was trying to mine dragon glass on Dragonstone until it was taken from him. And in order to retake Dragonstone, you would need a strong fleet, which Stannis doesn't have. Or consider this; Dany is starting to turn her attention toward Westeros (finally), but to invade Westeros she'll need a fleet of warships. It could be that Manderly could supply her with ships. OR, anyone opposing Dany's invasion of Westeros would need a fleet of warships, making Manderly an invaluable ally to have here as well. To say that Wyman Manderly doesn't "do war" is a bit of a stretch. Manderly himself doesn't go to war. But he's had no problem sending people in his stead, and has supplied Robb Stark with troops. Also, bear in mind that Manderly claims he has assembled an army that may well be the biggest army remaining in the North. We also have rumor that the Umbers have assembled a secret army of their own as well. I didn't directly address both of these claims because we haven't actually gotten eyes on these troops and know that they exist for a fact, but if you check out the Radio Westeros link they do a pretty good job of summarizing these rumors. And if we believe that the Manderlys, Umbers, and Stannis are all willing to align to crush the Boltons between them, I have to think the Boltons really don't stand a chance. Particularly if winter is coming (or has already arrived?) and they stand little chance of being reinforced by the Lannisters, or even the Freys for that matter. I also think that it is telling that Wyman left his heir at White Harbor. In fact, Wyman made no moves to execute these plans at all until Wylis is returned to him. I think he went to Winterfell knowing very well that he might die, and took every measure to make sure he had an heir in place before he made his moves.

how about the glovers are they still on the starks ?

fantastic video

Cool video, great insight. I'd of course love it if Rickon is who they save haha, or hopefully they just team up with Jon Snow, ala the last episode of season 6.

Definitely showing people this!

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+JxJ97 Thanks!

@developmentalist

8 жыл бұрын

Yup, me too. I got nephews into the series and now they are maybe even more into it than me.

Dude, this is brilliant.

@anamericanthinks472

8 жыл бұрын

+Juan Irrazabal Thanks!

On the other coast of th north theres a lot your forgetting. Barrowton which is controlled by house Dustin is one of the only large towns. House Ryswell who controls The Stoney Shore. i don't know if they really pose a true threat but what i am 100% sure about is something is going down with the Ryswells and the Dustins. we also see melisandre mentioning a horse with glowing red eyes, and i believe another character does as well something the Ryswell sigil has

Good video,keep it up !

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8 жыл бұрын

+daniel43160 Thanks!

I love the theories! The only criticism I would offer the Manderly-Stannis theory of Stannis allowing Rickon to be "King in the North." That's not happening. Stannis is completely rigid and in no way would allow any potential usurper even in name only. Stannis the Mannis is taking what is his BY RIGHT! But he probably would grant the Starks their previous Warden in the North status, which would be more than necessary to allow other northern houses to join his cause by his support of a strong house Stark.