Ashley, thanks for featuring my video, great job and message! After reading some of the comments, I would like to add a few facts for context on my part: 1) The drivers reaction took me completely by surprise and it took me a while to comprehend what was happening as I have never been in a physical alteration as an adult. Because of what I was wearing (suit and slippery shoes!) and the confined space between myself and the pump, my chances of successfully fighting him off in his highly agitated state was slim. My need to social distance also made me hesitate as I just wanted him out of my space. 2) It crossed my mind that he could have a weapon and didn't want to take any chances 3) I can't remember if the keys were in my pocket or the centre console but the car is keyless start. He did sit in the driver's seat and attempt to start it but couldn't figure out how to. 4) This was in the midst of the pandemic and at the time my wife was 8 months pregnant. Having someone physically assault you when you have had no other physical contact with anyone outside of your household for 5 months felt extremely violating. Having him sit in my drivers seat and spit all over my steering wheel felt even worse. 5) I was very disappointed that no one tried to help until after at which point a few people approached me and left their details as witnesses. However, I can't say what I would have done in their shoes. The staff were very nonchalant and unhelpful. 6) The fact that he had a mental illness, for me while offers some explanation, is not a good enough excuse. If you are unable to function as a responsible driver then you shouldn't be on the road. 7) I was disappointed by the police conclusion as he had committed several offences relating to assault and "interfering with a motor vehicle contrary to the Criminal Attempts Act 1981"

@ashley_neal

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sending in! Hope you're keeping well 👍🏼

@grahamnutt8958

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashley_neal I will second that..... Thanks for the insight on what was a clearly stressful incident.

@grahamnutt8958

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradgooner3284 That's harsh - sounds like 👮‍♂️👮‍♀️ arrested the wrong person.... but nothing would surprise me these days. Take care fella 👍

@robchissy

3 жыл бұрын

if i was you, i'd take it further, i would not accept the police conclusion, there is evidence right here

@xkyleprivatex815

3 жыл бұрын

@@robchissy i would just leave it, people shouldn’t be irresponsible by driving their cars in the first place, you should be taking public transport or walking. no excuse

the aggressor got in the car, attempted to start the car and had the intention of driving the car to another position, whether he was to drive it 10 feet or 10 miles that is taking the vehicle without consent TWOK, he should have been arrested and charged, he would have also been driving without insurance, even if his insurance allows him to drive other cars on 3rd party as he didn't have permission the insurance would be null and void, if his mental health issues are so bad that he behaves like that, he should have his licence revoked, who knows what he could do if someone overtakes him on a motorway

@gamadame4476

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! - Theft, driving without insurance, covid rules broken here also but the offender hides behind mental health so gets off Scott free

@collieman

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad someone on this channel actually understands the law and doesn’t agree with Ash when he says “well he didn’t mean it and he has mental health issues so he has a free pass”

@Historyfan476AD

3 жыл бұрын

The point is this Man knows the law of the roads and about driving, mental health is no damn excuse for attempted theft of a car or driving without insurance. If he acts like this over someone going to a pump while he sits his car doing nothing then he Cleary should not be on the road.

@FROOB202

3 жыл бұрын

What do you guys think prison does to people who are struggling with mental health issues? Would you send yourself to prison if you had PTSD?

@Historyfan476AD

3 жыл бұрын

@@FROOB202 Yeah it does not help but letting them off scout free does not help either. remove the man's licence then. At the end of the day he is not fit for driving and should not be allowed to endanger other road users.

Now, I am myself on the autistic spectrum, but too many people seem to use the mental health as a way to dodge a bit of the law. Which can seem very sickening.

@thomashardwick7206

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you're right there. If someone's a danger to themselves or others due to mental health issues then they should not be allowed to be unsupervised in public. Now if they're deemed to not to be a threat to themselves or others then I do think they should be treated as any other member of the public would from a legal perspective.

@ryanmitcham5522

3 жыл бұрын

​@@thomashardwick7206 The issue is when there is no help out there. I'm autistic and I just about get by in a limited way (no option, I have no help) if everybody is reasonable and behaves how they should but don't have the skills and it deteriorates rapidly in the event of conflict. I've been asking for help since I was diagnosed but don't get any. I also live on my own so have no option but to try and manage and have to go out on my own even though it's risky - all it takes it one prick to turn it into a nightmare. I would prefer not to be out unsupervised so I had the help when there is a problem, but I have no option.

@thomashardwick7206

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanmitcham5522 I'm sorry to hear you've not been able to get any help, mate. I'm sure you do your best to get on with your life as best you can in the circumstances. Mental health support is definitely underfunded in the UK unfortunately. Out of curiosity what are your views on the gentleman in this video? (Jeep driver)

@Unchained_Alice

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanmitcham5522 I am sort of in a similar position though not quite as severely affected. I also live alone and I found it impossible to get help too and was told to pay for it myself basically. I just have to be thankful that I am not affected bad enough to stop me driving (the DVSA were informed of my problems). For me in a situation like this it tends to affect me later after the event. However small it can stay with me for days or longer but at the time I usually am ok. I never forget the worst ones and even years later it bothers me so in a situation like this I'd probably have a huge set back that would take months to recover from. Edit: Also although I wasn't asked, my view is the DVSA should look at them. If their condition affected them to that degree over something so small I'd be concerned about it happening while driving. But looking at a lot of cammers on those other channels it'd be no different to them!

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

The 'spectrum' is so broad that every man and his dog is on it, these days.

This is one important reason why you shouldn't leave your keys in the car when parked or filling up. It prevents opportunists stealing or hopping in your car

@johnkeepin7527

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t even leave them in the car at ASDA’s (where they don’t have shops to walk into and pay - just pay as you drive out there when the toll booth is open, or pay up front at the machine in the small hours with no-one at the tills. There’s usually a nasty get-out on insurance if you’ve left your car unlocked, even at home, when it’s stolen.

@kingbenno1

3 жыл бұрын

You need the key to unlock your fuel cap surely?

@paulkeith9680

3 жыл бұрын

Not on most cars today. The fuel flap is locked with the doors so as long as they are unlocked, so is the filler flap

@johnkeepin7527

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingbenno1 No, the last few cars i've had (including the current one) has a pull-up lever inside, so just open the flap before getting out; no 'lock' on the cap at all. These were Honda and Toyotas. My last Honda had not 'screwcap' at all - just an automatic one inside the filler pipe.

@PedroConejo1939

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulkeith9680 I need my ignition key to open my filler cap but the flap locks with the central locking. That means I have to have the key (car can't be nicked) but can't lock the car until I have to go and pay - although nowadays, I pay@pump if possible.

Use it or lose it We're not all waiting on you, princess

@chrisward925

3 жыл бұрын

LOL... suck it up Princess is how I would have put it!

@Richard_Barnes

3 жыл бұрын

Brutal 😂

@MrRohanThomas

3 жыл бұрын

Shame the cammer didn't fight back, disappointment

@boywarrick

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrRohanThomas Embarrasing. I'm not sure who's the biggest princess... the Jeep driver or the cammer dancing around his car. If anyone was to get into my car, I sure as hell wouldn't be standing there saying "please sir, could you get out of my car"

@kiradotee

3 жыл бұрын

@@boywarrick not everyone can fight

I genuinely think if the cammer had tapped his horn he would have got an aggressive response all the same. All too often now horns are seen as a sign of aggression and not a way of alerting other road users. It’s frustrating.

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

@A. Fox It's situational. If you're stationary behind a van that starts to reverse without seeing you, you need to toot so they don't hit you, and you could have traffic or pedestrians behind than means you can't reverse out of the way. If someone is blocking traffic flow then your notifying them of your (and any following traffic's) presence, that they're now obstructing traffic and it's time to move. I don't see why a police officer witnessing it would have any issues with it, unless you lay on the horn for several seconds more than necessary.

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

I do. Horrible people do not respond to politeness.

@Deathhead68

3 жыл бұрын

@@markwright3161 yeah like if someone's missed a red light I'll give it a quick tap

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deathhead68 Exactly. They could be having a hectic day and while stopped drifted off to thinking about what they have to do potentially leading to them missing the full sequence without a little peep to snap them back into reality so that they can get on with their day, alone with everyone else.

@moonshinepz

3 жыл бұрын

shame manufacturers haven't thought of adding a "polite mode" for horns. The horn on my bike, from the factory, sounds like a truck. Some electric motorcycles actuall have a *bell* as well!

point 1. if someone has mental health issues that can turn into aggressive behaviour should they be driving?. point 2. Ashley, you have a very calming way of talking. must make you a good instructor.

@slyfoxyandalifesaver

3 жыл бұрын

A part of me wants to say "They're having a bad day" is giving someone the benefit of the doubt so if someone could be having more than just a bad day, That could be interpreted as this making that behaviour even less acceptable. But when it comes to mental health, one may not be aware they're deteriorating and when faced with reality of it could actually make it worse. ...I am torn and still unsure what to think of Ashley's take away on it.

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

It's just another card that some people believe gives them special treatment.

@KunaevNS

3 жыл бұрын

The government doesn’t care. As long as more people are spending that’s what matters.

@stuarthall2180

3 жыл бұрын

@@slyfoxyandalifesaver How can you be torn ? Just imagine that was you or worse you had your kids in the car and no-one came to your aid. If I pushed a policeman several times I would expect to be charged with assault.

@notmenotme614

3 жыл бұрын

@@KunaevNS Yep. If we don’t pay a fine or our bills. Its amazing how quick they can manage to find you.

With all due respect. That Jeep driver shouldn’t have a license.

Oh it's that guy. That guy drives just onto the edge of the forecourt and stops. He thinks everyone else can wait in the road while he takes up a strategic position to take whichever pump comes free first. Don't be that guy, pick a queue at a pump and join it. If another pump comes free a couple of minutes earlier, then too bad. I always drive straight round that guy and join a queue at a pump. In this case, I would have joined the queue at the furthest back pumps so as not to make a big show of driving round them, but just do it like I had no reason to consider anything else.

@markhamilton7289

3 жыл бұрын

100%!!!

@markhamilton7289

3 жыл бұрын

@@ballbag dangerous idiots with cars ending up queueing on the carriageway.

@dandotvid

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing about his positioning. Thing is, he wasn't even ready to take the first spot available so wtf is he doing???

@EntropyKC

15 күн бұрын

This is a terrible way of queueing. It should be one queue and the person at the front goes to the first available pump. Never seen it work like that though.

@oxonomy2372

8 күн бұрын

It depends, if there’s space for a cars behind then stay in a position to use any pump, only need to pick a lane when it backs up behind

These combined supermarket and filing stations are a menace. You get your petrol, leave the car at the pump then spend half an hour browsing in the shop while a queue builds up. A recipe for frustration.

@09weenic

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know anyone that would spend half an hour browsing on the shop - maybe five minutes max

@LiveFromLondon2

Жыл бұрын

@@09weenic five minutes is still along time when you are waiting...

Rule 1 when filling up - take your keys with you, cars do get stolen from forecourts and your insurance company may be difficult if you left the keys in it. And if you are leaving your phone in the car lock the doors too.

@Metallic_Hydrogen

3 жыл бұрын

I never realised you could leave your key behind in modern cars. In my old Escort (first and only car, in almost 20 years) the ignition key is the petrol filler cap key. Modern technology eh, makes everything... no better at all really.

@NuSpirit_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Metallic_Hydrogen well I unlock my fuel from inside so in theory I could leave keys inside and top up without them (hand free ignition key). However I'd be mad if I left my phone and key in my car (all it takes is couple of seconds to break window and steal stuff - with key inside even to steal the car)

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

@@Metallic_Hydrogen Yeah wondered what having the same key for ignition and filler cap was all about, if someone hyjacks your car or steals the key they can easily fill it up though, could hide a separate filler cap only key in the car.

@Richard_Barnes

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely bang on Gordon. 👍🏻 I always have my keys in my pocket, then lock the car if I need to go into the shop. Although I only use Shell and only ‘Pay at Pump’ via their app. So easy. But then again, that’s cus I’m a daft lad who had his car engine remapped for the most expensive fuel on the planet (V-Power) 😂

@KMGliTChEZz

3 жыл бұрын

Only issue with this is more modern cars using keyless entry and ignition. Even if you take your key with you, if somebody has a signal booster they can open the car and drive off without the key being needed.

Ah ok so you can get away with an attempted theft of a car if you claim to have “mental health issues”. If he really does have “mental health issues” then who allows them to be in control of a 1.5 tonne vehicle?

@thomashardwick7206

3 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Unfortunately has some experience working around mental health and I've seen countless examples of criminal behavior going unpunished due to the sweeping phrase "mental health issues" - either the person is safe to be allowed unsupervised freedoms or they're not. If they are then they should be treated on the same legal playing field as anybody else.

@andrewnorris5415

3 жыл бұрын

That's the worrying part. What if he rages at a cyclist he deems did something wrong. Should be an instant ban for being this unstable. I sympathise if he really does have issues, but also it's important the public are protected from him if that is the case.

@DoktrDub

3 жыл бұрын

If this is how he acts I not go a situation.. he seems a big danger to other road users

@iskrajackal9049

Жыл бұрын

@collieman You're the 2nd person on here using quotation marks around the words mental health issues as if they don't exist. That's callous. I hope that you develop extreme depression one day so you know what it's like. Once experienced, you would never again use quotation marks in the same context.

@collieman

Жыл бұрын

TLDR: No I'm not suggesting mental health issues do not exist, I'm saying this guy can't have them because he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a 1.5 tonne vehicle if he really did. @@iskrajackal9049 Thanks for wishing me to have depression, and don't make assumptions about people you don't even know. If he is not mentally stable (e.g. random outbursts of aggression) he is not safe to drive as he could kill someone (especially a more vulnerable road user like a cyclist). This is the same reason why we don't allow blind people to drive -they would be a risk to others. So the guy in the video either genuinely has mental heath problems and is not safe to be on the road or he doesn't have mental health problems and he is using it as a get-out -of-trouble card (hence the quotation marks).

By his positioning, I'd say that the Jeep driver was hedging his bets on which RH side pump would become available sooner. Jeep pointing one way, wheels another. Still, going for a name change and sex change is a hell of a way to avoid the police catching up with you!

@PedroConejo1939

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, a bit extreme, I'd say. But, whatever.

@trabant3060

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

@RichO1701e

3 жыл бұрын

@@trabant3060 what does?

@DoktrDub

3 жыл бұрын

So many people are in such a rush, and you can bet that most people that get aggressive or frustrated through impatience really aren’t in that big of a rush most of the time and are not doing anything important lol.

@joopjansen9102

2 жыл бұрын

@Rich O I guess 'his' name now is Karen

Forecourts with attached shops can be a pain, queue up behind a car who's owner is doing their weekly shop.

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

Or waiting to use the toilet that's already occupied, mind you technically you can move your car elsewhere on the premises after filling up then pay.

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

Many have pumps that take card payment now !

@MrSapps

3 жыл бұрын

@@marklittler784 hate it when people use those, then go in the shop and pay

@robinhosleftfoot

3 жыл бұрын

@@marklittler784 I used a Esso fuel station with a Tesco shop a few years ago. After filling moved my car 5 yards to side while doing weekly shop so as not to delay any other drivers. Went inside and did shop taking half an hour before joining queue to pay for food and fuel. Checkout guy in his 50's told me off for moving car from pump. Told him wasn't an issue as he can still use pump. Went on whole time was putting food through. Told him to stop whinging. Never went back there.

@derekdelboytrotter8881

3 жыл бұрын

Im not sure if this is the case but the pumps have to be turned on by the staff inside the shop and when it is turned on the amount of fuel and price from the previous person is then reset to zero, I'm not sure if its reset on the computer inside the shop as well, maybe that's why they don't like it when you move your car from the pump before you pay? Just a theory.

I always keep my key with me when I fill up rather than leaving it in the ignition. I feel a little less paranoid now.

@mcdon2401

3 жыл бұрын

Never leave the keys in the ignition. If someone steals your car, the insurance will wash their hands of it.

@laugesen18

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. You never know, what ppl can get up to

@caolkyle

3 жыл бұрын

I’m even in the habit of keeping the key even if my fiancée is in the passenger seat. Never too careful lol

@danieledwards3376

3 жыл бұрын

@James Stewart Attempted theft is a crime but I suspect the police didn't think that was his intent. Could have been TWOC (not sure if attempted TWOC is a thing).

@jefflerner7526

3 жыл бұрын

@@caolkyle IMO there shouldn't EVER be anyone in the car when you're refuelling - just in case of fire. Search in YT for "car refuel fire" if you're not convinced. I try to refuel when I'm alone. If I have passengers I make them get out of the car and wait at a safe distance. My friends think it's odd behaviour on my part but I'm OK with that.

In my car, you need the key to unlock the fuel cap, so I always have it on me and should prevent that from happening to me. However, if someone intends to steal a 16 year-old Ford Fusion worth less than £300, they can't be of sound mind!

@andrewnorris5415

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes they just want something to get them to another town. It's a free ride. Older cars can be easy to steal. They will steal it at night and have finished their journey before you get up and the reg gets flagged. They may burn your car to destroy evidence.

Interesting, i had someone have a go because I went to the pumps on the ‘wrong side of my car’ because they had like most petrol stations long reach pipes, chap put his window down as I dispensed along the lines of ‘the rest of us waited why couldn’t you’, I pointed to the ‘use both sides’ sign and said you could easily do the same at which point he told me to go forth and multiply.

@RichO1701e

3 жыл бұрын

I hate those twats that won't use all the available pumps cos it's on the wrong side. Honestly seen queues backing out on to the main carriageway while there's at least 2 pumps not being used cos the cars in front won't use the wrong side

@cupofcustard

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichO1701e "go forth and multiply" brilliant! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

@jameshiggins8329

Жыл бұрын

You probably told him to 'make a sexual exit' Not sure pulling a dirty hose over the boot or back of your car is good for it's paintwork.

@markwood7045

Жыл бұрын

@@jameshiggins8329 It's fine for paintwork. Been doing it for years. You must be one of those ones that queue.

@jameshiggins8329

Жыл бұрын

@@markwood7045 Queue? Not me. Retired so no commute milage so all the time in the world to drive past petrol station if busy and only go in if a pump is free.....which means 2 RH petrol cap pumps out of the 8 pumps at my normal filling station as 4 are pay at pump and I prefer pay at kiosk. Won't even queue in a shop, if it is busy and where I have a 2nd option I walk out and go somewhere else. Life is to short to queue or to pee of people by going to the 'wrong pump. Given road rage and the seemingly endless nut jobs behind wheels it seems the sensible thing to do, heck I get enough middle fingers and dangerous overtakes for doing the 30mph speed limit in my town (and it is less than a mile end to end).... I don't speed as it is just not worth hitting a kid or 3pts to gain 2 mins on a normal journey. On a long motorway journey I might fracture the limit a little.

I can trump this. In my teens (more years ago than I'd care to mention), I worked in a filling station. Back then it was attended service not self-service. As it was a small station, we only had 2 pumps (one 2-star and one 4-star). One day on my shift, 2 cars rock up from different directions and both it seems want the 4-star pump. They both end up on the forecourt facing each other. I came out the cabin to serve, but both were still in their cars gesticulating the the other should move so they could get lined up with the pump. This escalated to horn blowing, then both men out the cars shouting and swearing. I just stood and watched the show. Then the most unbelievable thing happened. One of the men (the aggressor) said that if the other didn't move his car, then he'd move it for him. The other chap refused. This prompted the aggressor to get back in his car and slowly drive up to the bumper of the other car and start physically pushing it backwards out the way with his car, which took quite a bit of effort as the handbrake was on and the rear tyres were screeching. The other chap obviously went bonkers at this and tried to get into the aggressors car to stop him by removing the keys. The aggressor then gets out and a fight breaks out between them. This resolves itself after a short time in a sort of tie. I go back in cabin and ring the police. By the time I have done that and gone back outside, the aggressor has done a runner. The police turn up and take statements and the other chap got the aggressor's reg number. There was no CCTV back then. I never did hear what came about from the incident.

Having worked for short time with people with mental health issues, I tend to hold back more than i used to. They can be very unpredictable and far stronger than they look as I have learned from a very painful experience. I have to question if they should have a drivers licence if they are this volatile. Looking back at the video the posture of the car mimicked the drivers. Hind sight is such a wonderful thing. Thanks for sharing.

@Unchained_Alice

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. It is one thing losing control momentarily here but at 70mph it is lethal. So either they should have been prosecuted or their mental health is bad enough for a suspension of their licence.

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

If someone went and sat in my car while the engine was running, nothing short of them being armed would hold me back. You have to stand your ground at some point, mate.

@markwood7045

Жыл бұрын

@@goodyeoman4534 Agreed great post.

“He should have just beeped the horn” - Ash, if he gets triggered by someone driving a car in front of him then he’ll definitely get triggered by getting beeped at.

@Strider9655

3 жыл бұрын

This I barely use my horn these days because it almost always triggers aggression and causes the opposite of the desired effect.

@billylardner

3 жыл бұрын

Not as much though, the situation wouldn’t have got as heated.

@RayScarr69

3 жыл бұрын

@@Strider9655 When I use my horn or flash my lights to make someone aware of my presence, I always put my hand up and give them a nod after they've acknowledged me (either by moving or stopping or whatever) to let them know I'm not angry with them and to thank them for reacting to my alert. Try it and see if you have people less aggressive towards you as a result.

@Strider9655

3 жыл бұрын

@@RayScarr69 I've done exactly what you describe, with some idiot reversing blindly out of a driveway, the psycho turned around and came after me, and this was in a quiet very middle class village near Pershore. Unfortunately that's just how it is these days..... At low speeds I tend to drop a rev bomb in preference to using the horn if I just need someone to know i'm there, like in a carpark with some plonker reversing out of a space toward me, at least in doing this I can say I just missed a gear. 2 years ago and after the described incident, I added a steibel nautilus air horn to my car, 140db twin tone horn, 45db more than the standard horn, and as sound pressure doubles every 3db, so you can imagine how loud that is........

@CED99

3 жыл бұрын

@@Strider9655 it will be four or five times louder

I have seen a change in fuel pump queuing over the years. Quite a few drivers don’t want to commit to a lane, so position themselves in a random order waiting to hop into the first available slot. But that is so inefficient. I got beeped from a car parked way back from the pumps and three lanes away when I drove straight into an empty pump in lane one. I normally just join behind a full pump lane and wait patiently.

@ryanmitcham5522

3 жыл бұрын

>But that is so inefficient Actually queue theory tells us a single queue is actually the most efficient method. However it's not really practical in a petrol station scenario where space is usually limited and impractical to do.

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

The thing that annoys me is , when there are lots of parallel pumps , people still queue in a single line , right out to the entrance , preventing others from getting in off the road ; I have , where there was space , driven past said queue and up to a pump where a car was filling , then waited patiently ; have been mouthed off at , but when I ask why they didn't pull up to a pump and just wait , they never have an answer .

Police said, “hopefully in the future, they will conduct themselves in a more reasonable manner”. Really?

@TheShowComputer

3 жыл бұрын

Law enforcement in the UK seems to be implemented based on the hope that everyone is on their best behaviour. No coppers around these days.

@contessa.adella

3 жыл бұрын

Kids stealing cars don’t even get punished now,TWOC’ing is not stealing apparently. unless you can prove they thief intended to keep or sell your property..i.e after the fact. Steal a car..”drive it about a bit and dump it” only gets them a caution!

@calflanagan-fenton900

3 жыл бұрын

they are gonna start letting murderers off under the hope that they won't kill again. The court system of this country is royally fucked.

@adz124ps

3 жыл бұрын

I'd have been annoyed as the jeep driver too, to see the cammer overtake and queue jump after waiting less than ten seconds. I'm not saying what the jeep driver did was right, but I understand, and the police must have too. A bit of common sense needed.

@andrewnorris5415

3 жыл бұрын

@@adz124ps I would just let it go. You can go next time. How long will that take? The position of the jeep makes it hard to tell if the driver was in the queue or had parked there while going to get something for the shop. Not all drivers are there to fill up. Agreed in that I think the cam car could have perhaps got out of his car and signalled (politely) to the car in front.

Poor Mike Hammer sending in all these clips and getting in bother. 😏

@highdownmartin

3 жыл бұрын

Needs to change his name to Doris Kamma and live a quiet life.

@elliotridley-smith9304

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it! (sorry).

@Unfunny_Username_389

3 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness his surname isn't Hunt.

@ppheanix

3 жыл бұрын

I thought his name was R. Kamma.

@sledge2307

2 жыл бұрын

Now it's all I can hear

Although it is difficult a Robin Williams quote springs to mind - "Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about, be kind".

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer, 'walk softly but carry a big stick'. (Teddy Roosevelt).

@MrSparks20002

3 жыл бұрын

Well said but in this case.... How long is enough time to wait.....................

@supertouring22

3 жыл бұрын

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

@fernandovazquezcueto9606

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodyeoman4534 It's 'speak softly and carry a big stick' but I get your point.

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

@@fernandovazquezcueto9606 You'll get the stick if you don't calm down on that pedantry, chap.

Your message at the end is spot on, well done.

That’s why I lock the doors, don’t make eye contact, give way even when I have priority. Despite my advanced years still drive to Advanced standard, slow down for tailgaters. Be aware that the tattooed thug in a sixty grand super car is probably busy making urgent deliveries.

@HSV-mb9gf

3 жыл бұрын

Baffles me that people take driving so seriously, i really think that my generation is overly aggressive.

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

If you mean you lock your doors when driving - that is a very bad idea . In the event of a crash or medical emergency , rescuers may be prevented or at least delayed from helping you . Making eye contact is an important element of Advanced Driving , making certain that the other person has seen you and you each know what the other is going to do .

@davidk3729

Жыл бұрын

Modern cars automatically lock doors at 10mph. Airbags deployed cause unlocking of doors. Advanced driving directs that you view drivers in your vision, eg: “There is a car at the junction on the left, the driver is looking my way”. No instructions to make eye contact. Membership of the IAM doesn’t make you a police certificated Class One Advanced Driver. The local group became aware of my history and invited me to serve on committee. Shower of egoTrippers with high opinions of their skills. Nice cars though. All the gear and no idea. I resigned.

If you enter a forecourt and all the pumps are in use just pick a pump and wait behind the car that's filling. Everybody then knows your intention. Don't just randomly stop in the middle and play "take your pick" Or even worse when its a small forecourt and some halfwit just stops blocking the whole entrance for everyone else.

@Colin_

Жыл бұрын

What baffles me sometimes is when people are behind other cars waiting for a pump thats on the same side as their filler cap but there are free pumps for the other side that they could use but don't. I often just drive up to the other pump and pull the hose to the oposite side then fill up. Ill sometimes get dirty looks from others but they've chosen not to use that pump.

Basically you can get away with assaulting someone and trying to drive off in someone else’s car. Whilst around very flammable fuel. Simply if you’re “having more than a bad day”. Mitigation is a joke in the UK.

Great video Ashley, I'd of done the same as the cammer and gone past him to the pump. I always take my keys out of the ignition when filling up and my mobile phone gets put in my pocket so if this happened to me at least I'd have the upper hand.

This kind of thing is triggered by having a large shop and petrol pumps together. People fill up then go and do a bunch of shopping while leaving their car at the pump. Often they will spend 20 mins or more in the shop. At busy times queues then tailback onto the road. Something does need to be addressed as its a growing problem

@RichO1701e

3 жыл бұрын

You're forgetting the arseholes that can't use a pump if it's on the wrong side. They cause longer queues by not using available pumps

@paulstevens9409

3 жыл бұрын

Should have separate tills for fuel or shopping

@bridges24

3 жыл бұрын

I used to work in one of these petrol stations. It was infuriating for people, but the chain I worked for tried putting signs on the pumps urging people to pull forward into the parking spaces at the front of the shop if people were doing some shopping, and they made absolutely zero difference.

@noodlenoggin5854

3 жыл бұрын

@@bridges24 I thought this was common sense tbh, fuel up at the pump and then park in a parking space if you intend to peruse the shopping isles?

@bridges24

3 жыл бұрын

@@noodlenoggin5854 Yep. Just like it's common sense to ensure you have the means to pay before fuelling up. But the same people would "forget their wallet" on a regular basis.

If you're at the petrol pump And you hear the beep Think of all the fun you could be having on Supermarket Jeep

@RichO1701e

3 жыл бұрын

Showing your age with that 90's reference!

@Matthew-bu7fg

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichO1701e I'm only 26 😂😂 it was the best "being ill and staying home from school" daytime telly around!

@Unchained_Alice

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichO1701e Actually they did new ones with Rylan Clark recently but it was nothing like the original.

@ianhill4585

3 жыл бұрын

@@Unchained_Alice apart from the campness of both presenters, and that's not homophobic, just observant.

@VideoNarstee

3 жыл бұрын

Well played!

This just adds to the stigma around mental health. That email either needs to be more specific ("mental health issues" could mean anything), or reworded altogether ("health issues" or "problems in his personal life"). This may seem pedantic, but even today there's still so much prejudice and ignorance around mental health, and it's exactly this sort of thing that contributes to it.

@CED99

3 жыл бұрын

I think that was the police's response email, and they're in a tight spot, as they can't give out too much info due to GDPR. It sounds like someone was maybe being a bit looser with information that perhaps they should have been, possibly because the cammer had been kept waiting, or possibly because he'd developed a rapport with the officer

@David-sw2fn

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I was surprised the police revealed details about this person’s confidential medical information. I think they should have just said, “We’ve spoken to this person. There are a number of background issues here that we can’t disclose”.

@toast99bubbles

2 жыл бұрын

Based on the way they said that the suspect had changed their name to "that of a female" implies that the "mental health issues" were related to gender transition. Whilst that can have mental health issues alongside it, I don't think it warrants getting away with a crime. The person driving the Jeep got physical by pushing the cammer and then attempted to steal the vehicle (even if it was to move it a small distance). That should still be punished the same way as somebody the police doesn't consider to have "mental health issues", or at the very least lead to a revokation of the Jeep driver's license until they are able to be of capable mental capacity in the eyes of the law.

“Excuse me mate, are you using that pump? Do you mind if I use it?” All that was needed really.

@goodyeoman4534

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. The problem is, horrible people would not respond to politeness like that, like you or I would.

Reading the comments I never even realised people leave their keys in the ignition when filling with fuel

@Unchained_Alice

3 жыл бұрын

My car is keyless start so it is easy to just leave it in my car. Perhaps I should reconsider that when alone.

@dave8535

3 жыл бұрын

@@Unchained_Alice and why aren't they in ur pocket? I keep mine in my pocket at all times and then as soon as I get out to fill at the pump, lock the door.

@Unchained_Alice

3 жыл бұрын

@@dave8535 Wouldn't fit unless I took them off my keyring. But I will take them off if I remember next time I am filling up.

@VeyronBD

3 жыл бұрын

Its practically paranoia at that point, you've more chance of winning the lottery than having a random person hop into your car in broad daylight surrounded by CCTV while you stand 5ft away. If i was leaving the pump to pay in the shop then yeah, but otherwise dont see the point.

@boywarrick

3 жыл бұрын

People are lazy and generally a little bit stupid... what did you expect!

Good take away message, and simply explaining with an apology that they thought he was waiting for another pump rather than saying ‘should’ve been paying attention’… could have defused the situation. But alas, ego.

The Police said: "hopefully they would conduct themselves in a more reasonable manner". Are they talking about themselves and the slowness of their investigation, or the driver of the jeep?

I've been in situations like that before where you're paranoid about going to a free pump when someone in front doesn't move in case you trigger a road rage incident. My usual way of dealing with this sort of situation is to just drive through the forecourt and out the other side and then head to another filling station to fuel up or leave it to the next day if I have enough fuel. There are certain filling stations that I now avoid because, the way they're laid out, makes queueing a bit shambolic and raises the prospect of rage incidents like this.

As a woman who would likely be filling up alone, I would have done the same as the by-stander - not gone over to help but immediately gone inside and alerted staff instead. No way would I get involved with 2 angry men, one of whom was in the others car!

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

On the other hand when a woman butts in they're usually stuck for words.

@PedroConejo1939

3 жыл бұрын

Calling for help is getting involved and it is helpful.

@Lioness99a

3 жыл бұрын

@@PedroConejo1939 I agree - it's just the way Ashley worded it as if the by-stander hadn't helped when he may well have gone in and alerted staff instead

@bmorris5863

3 жыл бұрын

1 angry man you mean.

@David_Trowbridge

3 жыл бұрын

As a man neither would I

Ah so it's "mental health issues" nevermind then, feel free to take my car. Cop out of the century right there.

@StopMediaFakery

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't taking the car, simpleton, he was trying to move it.

@liamholcroft7212

Жыл бұрын

@@StopMediaFakery Perhaps you are not sharp enough to notice the obvious hyperbole. Whether he's taking the car or moving it, he still has no right to touch it and the fact that he has mental issues doesn't excuse him, hence my comment.

@StopMediaFakery

Жыл бұрын

@@liamholcroft7212 Both of your comments are ridiculous. Did I say he had a right to move the car? You have no valid retort, so resort to saying, 'I'm not sharp' which is obviously the opposite of the truth. You're suggesting he tried to take the car, which he clearly didn't. He tried to move it, which is not the same thing. Maybe you're not smart enough to know the difference. You're a follower who seeks backing from other sheep who will agree with your idiocy. There is always a reason why people do what they do. Saying there is 'no excuse' shows just how dumb you are. There is always a logical reason behind something, it's just that you don't understand. Your initial comment is ignorant and panders to the herd mentality. Try to become a logical thinker, and things will start to make more sense.

@iskrajackal9049

Жыл бұрын

@Liam Holcroft mental health issues are sadly all too real for those unfortunate enough to suffer from them. Your sarcastic use of quotation marks to suggest orherwise shows you to be uncaring and callously so. A mental health episode does not entitle anyone to take liberties, of course it doesn't, but it does mean that it is incredibly easy to misjudge a situation based on a fleeting assessment. That's why a calm and humble approach is much better than a testosterone fuelled bout of road rage.

@liamholcroft7212

Жыл бұрын

@@iskrajackal9049 The quotations are not there because I don't believe that they exist, it's because I see the term thrown around too often as a way of absolving people of any responsibility for their actions. Hence "cop out". I understand people suffer, and i have sympathy for those that genuinely do.

As soon as I saw Nuthall Road, I knew precisely what kind of people we were going to be dealing with. I've worked in Broxtowe and lived nearby; it's hard to overstate how difficult an area it is for social problems. It's also hardly surprising the police took a while to respond - the Nottm police are brilliant in my experience but they are also so, so overworked. I caught a pair of burglars the first weekend we moved in and the police were there in minutes. Not so sure the court rewarded their hard work but there you go.

Great vid as always Ashley, absolutely disgusting behavior on the jeep drivers part, the jeep driver even appeared to gesture him, he waved his arm outside the window of his car and to me that would suggest to go around, the assault and entering a vehicle uninvited (attempted theft/hijacking of a motor vehicle) that's certainly grounds for serious prosecution. With that type of behavior and the fact that he had/has those mental health issues, they should not have driving entitlement whilst that ill, I find it baffling that we have to share the roads with these severe mental health cases especially in this day and age...

The Jeep driver: if fueling my vehicle is important, I'd need to focus my attention at getting it fueled. Not being on the phone, being distracted, loitering about. The cammer: respect for not getting damn physical - if anyone sat into my car in an alike situation, I would probably not be able to hold back (sorry but not sorry .. my property, my place to be, my reliability, not anyone else's I won't acknowledge as authorized) The station: hope the cameras at least work, and are not just there as placeholders. I sometimes am amazed of people, especially at petrol stations. Smoking, being on the phone and what not. Tons of cars, flammable materiel, chemicals .. definitely not a place to zone out at.. If one needs to relax, either one should stop in a parking area or take a seat in a café or something. (I'm not exaggerating a small issue of the everydays - this is damn serious, for me at least)

Just found these vid thank you. They refreshed my thinking about my own driving. I am not a great driver with some bad habits" I hope to try for refresher lessons .

Interesting conclusion to this video, there's more at play here than meets the eye, I hope both parties resolved their differences and I hope the aggressor got help for their mental health issues.

If you are ever attacked at a filling station remember that fuel from the pump is good mechanism, and nasty in the eyes, to force the attacker away. Also, always lock your car whilst filling, unless someone is in the car of course.

@this_is_a_tiny_town

Жыл бұрын

Catch yourself on for crying out loud! You really think you could spray fuel over someone, regardless of how they acted towards you, and expect to get away with it? That would be seriously irresponsible and not to mention, dangerous. All it would take would be one ignition source and that person would be ablaze.

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

NEVER lock your car on a petrol forecourt - in the event of fire someone may need to move it . Why do so few people seem to know this ?

Honestly not sure if even horn use wouldn't be met with similar response. But hindsight is 20-20 and I would probably just beep once or twice before going around.

@chromiumphotography5138

3 жыл бұрын

And then get a load of abuse ...

@guitarl3g3ndz

3 жыл бұрын

@@chromiumphotography5138 Shouldn't get any abuse for a little pip of the horn

@JordanLR

3 жыл бұрын

Both ways he’d get abuse that guy was just super angry and hyper sensitive

@chromiumphotography5138

3 жыл бұрын

@@JordanLR ❄ of the highest order - more than likely upset because someone had used the wrong pronoun easier in the day ....

@CplConundrum

3 жыл бұрын

@@guitarl3g3ndz shouldn't, but I've seen people react worse to less

Happy to say my oldest Son passed his Driving Test first time. When I lived in Peterborough many years ago I was subject to a bit of ‘filling Statusinfos aggression’. Little lad had an issue with how I hard parked and started driving his car at me as I walked back to my own. Ah well, you live and learn

Some of the nonsense I've seen at busy petrol stations has led me to just choosing a pump and patiently queuing up at it. It means you don't have to watch every pump ready to pounce on the first free one. But more importantly it can save cars queuing out onto the road as happens at my local when selfish people hang right back at the entrance so they can be first. So, just pick a pump and wait. You win some, you lose some, but ultimately it may make the world just a little bit calmer.

The cammer handled it way better than I probably would of. The moment he touched my car, he would've received punches.

@Ultima2876

3 жыл бұрын

then you are the problem

@varius21

3 жыл бұрын

Now You're in a Right Mood for a Punch Up!?

@warlockuk6939

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ultima2876 Your comment doesn't help the situation, stop trying to be clever.

@TheWhiskeyMan-rk7qv

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ultima2876 ... Don't touch other people's expensive property and they don't retaliate. The guy did slam his filler cap shut which could've caused damage to the car. He also started shoving him back. So yeah, I think many people would just hit him after that, not just me. 🤷🏻

@warlockuk6939

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWhiskeyMan-rk7qv Better to push them away, than punch them, but I agree with the point your making.

Agree on the horn honk, but at the moment he assault me I would have defended myself and my property. No way I would risk my health and safety compared to the risk of a court date.

If someone ever got into MY car like that, the very next vehicle they'd be getting into would be an ambulance 🚑

Something similar happened to me, curiously again in Nottingham, I overtook a Mercedes on a dual carriage way and then a few miles down the road, I pulled in a filling station to fill up, a few moments later the Mercedes screeched onto the forecourt and stopped behind my car. The driver approached me whilst I was fueling my car with a metal bar in his had, he berated me for overtaking him and raised the metal bar to threaten to attack me, my overtaking maneuver had been completely safe and legitimate but had obviously upset him somehow and I couldn’t understand his problem, the forecourt staff could clearly hear and see the altercation but did nothing. I tried my best to de escalate the situation but the Merc driver was having non of it and ran towards me with the metal bar raised above his head. Without thinking I pulled the pump nozzle out of my tank and gave him about 3 pounds worth of unleaded all over his head and upper body. Getting the petrol in his eyes he stopped dead in his tracks and started to retreat, I thought about pulling my zippo cigarette lighter out of my pocket but decided that this was a step to far. To cut a long story short, the police arrived and I was cautioned and he was arrested and carted away in the back of the police car. Truly an unforgettable experience that I wished I’d never had!! I shudder when I look back at this and what the results of my actions could have been but his threats and aggression and the fact that he was armed with a weapon that would have caused me or my car serious damage I think go a little way towards justification. I would say that forecourt filling stations are not the place for confrontation on any level, perhaps people who decide to become aggressive on these type of premises should bare my little story in mind before indulging in such behaviour.

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like self defence to me ; also a reasonable and proportionate response given you were in a panic situation .

Sorry Ashley, but the first thing that popped into my head when you said you'd go and try to calm things down was "Alright! Alright! Calm down, calm down". Showing my age I guess.

@RichO1701e

3 жыл бұрын

Harry Enfield, cracking show back in the day

@robchissy

3 жыл бұрын

you forgot the eh eh, you talkin to me eh eh

It looked to me like the hand waving was to shoo away a bee or wasp rather than someone talking on the phone. Not that it makes a huge amount of difference either way.

@Matthew-bu7fg

3 жыл бұрын

I actually think he was speaking to someone on the phone. I have seen that kind of hand-action before from people talking on phones in vehicles

@7thwave42

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg It's entirely possible mate. It just looks to me like he is swatting towards something with increasing agitation. But either way, the result of being distracted is the same. Cheers.

@ianhill4585

3 жыл бұрын

If he / she had mental health problems,they were probably shooing away the voices in their head,it's distracting when everyone talks at the same time.

I have been in a similar incident, on the receiving end as well. Please keep in mind that this was in the Netherlands, so left hand drive. The situation was a bit more straightforward (at least I thought so): my vehicle had the filler cap on the right hand side, the car that was waiting in between two isles before me had the filler cap on the left hand side. That particular petrol station had reduced length hoses, as they had had quite a lot of people driving off without paying (don't ask me how reduced length hoses prevent this, it was just the case and they had this stated on ALL isles). When the isle on the right became available, I crawled forward and parked up, ready to fill up. I saw a man approaching in my side mirror. He stopped right beside my door, so I opened my window, thinking he needed some information. He gestured me to lower the window a bit further, which I did. Then he swiped me, causing my sunglasses to fly off my face, leaving me with a bloody nose and the sunglasses flying off to the passenger footwell. In total panic, I took off from the petrol station, without having filled up, without even realizing that his action may very well have been 'on camera'. I had to go be off, in a hurry. The single fact that someone, for whatever reason, takes a swipe at someone else, has made me very anxious since: I'm always looking for how to prevent stuff like this happening, or how to defend myself in case it happens anyway. There's plenty of available weapons in a forecourt - the main one being the nozzle you're holding while filling up.

Patience is the watch word for today , thank you

I never leave the keys in the ignition when I'm filling up, can't trust people these days

I'd have probably tooted the red car . If they didn't move then I would have gone around as the cammer did. Unfortunately other people won't step in to help cos they can get arrested if an allegation is made like assault etc and there's always the possibility of getting stabbed or whatever . Other people will rather film it than help .

Excellent points for thought. Thank you . 1. My company trainer once took my truck keys out if ignition, as I eas parked in yard and walked off. I now take keys always with me if stepping out or immobilise otherwise vehicle. 2. Shocking nobody joins the potentially escalating situation. 3. I'd I had een behind that silly stopped Jeep , I woudo have stepped out and asked which pump he is aiming at , dint forget many have now medical conditions and he coukd have had juat a low blood sugar. 4. In covid time , this whole is simply unacceptable. 5. It also nicely demonstrates how much a visual obstruction the now growing " auto- obesity " ( inappropriately used SUV/ MICKEY MOUSE SUVS) is. Particularly for pedestrians, cyclist, kids waking across roads, the ecer increasing size of cars and shrinking minds, is a hazard. And illegal e scooters are not the solution. 6. We need more eyes and not only cctv from police forces on roads .Public needs more support from the selfish individuals we live with.

Cool to see a video where I grew up, went to that tesco hundreds of times over the years.

In my view it's better to get into a que for a given pump rather than waiting for the next available pump to become free. The latter takes up a lot more room, can cause unnecessarily long ques and can also lead to this kind of confusion.

@markhamilton7289

3 жыл бұрын

And in many cases the queue ends up out onto the road. Whe did the world start waiting at the entrance to the petrol station? That never used to be a thing. Pick a pump queue and wait. If the guy next to you is quicker then c'est la vie.

I would've just got out and asked him if he was gonna take the pump, and if not, could I have it. Horn use is almost always seen as aggression because it's an oppressive noise, it's just human nature.

@Robins_fan_Dan

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Spot on - no harm in asking, and people get in and out of their cars all the time at petrol stations

I can comment absolutely on this video Mr Neal. I work at 5 shell garages all in Liverpool and the stuff that i have witnessed is SHOCKING,,, and i mean SHOCKING. ME and my staff have to deal with these issues and losers every day. Quite a few times we have had to get the police involved. Things are not going to get better but much more worse as time goes on.

Interesting video and glad no one was hurt seriously, I hope your family are doing well though the lockdown. More patience would likely have completely avoided the situation, i don't my best to avoid blowing the horn for anything barring a safety warning as it may inflame delicate dispositions. Always, but always ensure your car is under your control or secured appropriately when you are not in the driving seat, leaving them frustrated in the driver's seat was 100% your best course of action.

When I'm filling up the car is locked when I arrive at the pump, locked the second I get out and locked the second I get back in.

A few years ago I would have helped someone in need but never again because I had a similar issue a while ago, but because I helped I got hounded for several weeks by the aggressor when going to the same area again. The police were useless and did almost nothing to help.

Totally 100% agree with you Ash that he should have beeped the horn here. A horn is not as bad as someone seeming to jump the queue. It helps him know his time is there and saves everyone some time, win/win. A lot of drivers when beeped at the lights will wave later to apologise. There is def a case for a polite horn and a louder warning horn though like some cars used to have! With modern tech this would be easy these days.

Wise words Ashley.

As well meaning as it may be to say "I'd of gone over and tried to help calm the situation down", we live in a world where many a 'have a go hero' wind up in hospital or worse as reward for their altruism. If you see something like this, call the police and possibly film from a safe distance for evidence, I would not advise anyone to get physically involved.

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

"Excuse me do you know the way to the motorway? " might be one way to address a confrontation, as a third party.

@MultiMidden

3 жыл бұрын

What I thought when he said that was "Alright! Alright! Calm down, calm down". But I'm probably just showing my age.

@elobiretv

3 жыл бұрын

So just sit back and let a guy get his car stolen or assaulted while the police take 10 minutes to show up? Nothing wrong with going over and trying to calm the situation down.

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

@@elobiretv They should have told the Police its a man with a camera recording that would have speeded things up ! Mind you if they knew it was a KZreadr they might be a bit reluctant. 😂😁😀😃

@CovidConQuitTheCensorship

Жыл бұрын

@@elobiretv the guy bought it on himself. He was aggressive for pulling in front of the other dude, when he should have either tooted or hopped out and asked if he was going to use that pump. Held up or not, he was incredibly rude and impatient and his actions caused the other driver to get upset. So why should people potentially risk their lives, or risk being assaulted, for him?

If the mental health issues cause the Jeep driver to behave like that then they shouldn’t be driving

I could listen to this bloke all day 😍.... But it's true though, you never know what someone else is thinking or going through

Why do people feel they all have to queue in a line rather than pick a pump and queue in parallel? We don’t queue like that in supermarkets or pubs?!? In a long line causes issues outside the petrol station also

@thomashardwick7206

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with this. I'd rather just pick a pump to queue for than just wait and hedge my bets. I honestly think some people feel some sort of social embarrassment if they get held up and someone else gets "ahead" of them. It's so silly.

@rrp6405

3 жыл бұрын

because you dont know who is planning their weekly shop while parked at a pump

@problemchild1976

3 жыл бұрын

@@rrp6405 but there are normally at least 2 sets of pumps per row

This entire video is fascinating; from the incident itself to the police's reaction. I find it strange they would reveal Jeep man's mental health issues and decision to change his name. It seems to me this kind of personal information should be between him and his doctor unless things end up in court. They also talk about Jeep man in the past tense, "had mental health issues". Was this their way of saying no charges would be brought against him?

It's sad to see people walking away and not helping the guy.

@flybobbie1449

3 жыл бұрын

No one wants to get involved don't blame them.

@noggintube

3 жыл бұрын

Easy to say at a keyboard. One (or both) could have weapons and a bystander can end up in a bad way. If I was there I'd call the police and stay back. I'm not being called a hero on my gravestone for someone I don't even know.

@noggintube

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayomayo48583 many a 'hero' end up unconscious.

@noggintube

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayomayo48583 at Christmas they would be Noel Coward.

@noggintube

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ayomayo48583 the bystanders are on standby.

I'm just glad that the quirk of having an ancient car means you need to use the key to unlock the filler cap. You can jump in my car all you want but unless you want to put the handbrake off and push it, then I wouldn't bother.

Brilliant one on the part of Nottinghamshire police...again. So now if you're in the middle of a sexual identity crisis, one can use the phone whist in control of a motor vehicle, Be publicly abusive in breech of section 5 public order offence, enter a stranger's vehicle without their consent and attempt to take control of it which then constitutes driving without owners consent or in the very least driving without insurance for this vehicle.... and Notts police leave it??? Well done!

Shouldn't have approached the cammer while he was holding the nozzle of the pump, could have gone all Zoolander on him.

I find it a little odd to suggest that the rational deterrent to car theft would factor into the thoughts of someone in an irrational mental state. Even if he wasn't planning on stealing it, he might have driven it into the wall

I think the best lesson one can take from this beyond not escalating a situation needlessly is this: don't leave your keys in your car at the filling station, and lock the doors when you exit it. If the keys aren't in the car and the doors are locked, it's a lot harder for someone to drive off with it, or otherwise interfere with it or its contents.

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

NEVER lock your car on a petrol forecourt - if there's a fire someone may need to push it out of the way in a hurry - lock it and you may lose it .

@lostwizard

Жыл бұрын

@@derekheeps8012 If there's a fire anywhere near the petrol pumps, *nobody* should be faffing about there. They should be getting the bleep out of there. Also, the odds of a fire are *far* lower than the odds of an opportunistic thief.

This is a rare occasion I actually find it hard to empathise as my mental health issues in the past was disregarded or considered just extreme and uncontrollable behaviour, leading me to become distrusting, hostile and unsure where to get help. A humanitarian being upset when someone else gets treated fairly as they would wish to, the irony isn't lost on me I assure you! Just glad they got the help they needed and hope they get better soon.

Bet the cammers mental health had been negatively impacted thanks to that bully...

I had a similar situation at a petrol station with a van, he pulled behind a different pump so I used the gap. I had no chance of knowing where he was going but he got angry pulled behind and I said id move out of good will. he called me a twat after id moved pulled up to the pump and then he broke down

Great message at the end of he video. If everyone had a little bit more time for each other, I think we would all have an easier life.

Useful take home message well illustrated

I have pretty strong views about what you said about getting involved Ash. You don’t, it’s that simple. IF you wanna play the big man and potentially put yourself into a dangerous situation, then you crack on. How many times have innocent passers by jumped in to help and been hurt or stabbed? You’ve just said the person has some mental health struggles, so there you go! That’s the classic for what happened. They are battling mental health issues and this kind of shows how they jumped in the cammers car to drive it away, before realising they were wrong. They are not thinking clearly. It is exactly this kind of person that could potentially hurt you the most. So, go across and get involved? Not a f’ing chance. It actually angers me when ppl comment about no one helping. Nottingham right now is full of knife wielding idiots that think it’s ‘hard’ to be carrying. So yeah, I’ll keep walking thanks.

@DavidSlagter

3 жыл бұрын

The safest thing to do is definitely not get involved. But, if you, I or anyone else for that matter gets into a situation like this or worse I would hope there are people that think about others as well, and not only themselves. It's always something you have to weigh by each situation and for yourself personally but if 2 grown man as seen in this video would back up the cammer then i'm confident the Jeep guy would've backed off sooner and it could prevent escalation instead of entice it. For me the worse thing to see in these kind of situations is a person in need of help and perfectly abled bystanders just walking past without any care but for themselves. It's all fine untill you are the one in need of that help. Imagine getting beat up over a small altercation in public, possible to the point of permanent damage or death, with dozens of people walking by ignoring you. This happens way too often unfortunately.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidSlagter It’s only a car. If it looked like the driver of the red car wanted a fight, or to move or even steal the other car, the dash cam driver should have walked away. You don’t stay to fight and expect passers by to help you. Just walk away.

I have to remove the key from the ignition fully before the petrol cap will open

At the end of the day, ladies first!

Shoppers do this at check-outs, hedging their bets on more than on queue. I politely ask them which queue they are in and take the alternate. They hate this... ☺

One thing really stands out here. Leaving your keys in the ignition is a very bad idea as the Insurers would refuse to settle a claim for theft. As for the incident...... wtf? Stay safe everyone 👍

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

If you leave the vehicle unattended with the keys in sounds about right not aggregated vehicle taking surely.

@grahamnutt8958

3 жыл бұрын

@@marklittler784 Fair point.

@joej3595

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly. As someone who works in insurance claims, it would come down to whether it's negligent to leave the keys in while filling with petrol. If the OP left the keys in while going into the store to pay and the car was stolen, fair enough, claim would be repudiated. But standing next to the car while attempting to fill it up? Depends how harsh the insurer wants to be.

@grahamnutt8958

3 жыл бұрын

@@joej3595 Having also worked for a reputable broker..... I know that some "claims" are a bit dodgy, to say the least. I always pocket the keys to save the potential for argument 👍

@marklittler784

3 жыл бұрын

@@joej3595Some Peugeot 605s had a number key pad you had to punch a number in to start it and that was in 1995 how times have moved on lol

So the lesson is, if you ever find yourself in trouble with the police for assault and attempted hijacking, just say you've gone mental and thinking about buying a dress and they'll be like 'understandable, have a nice day'

@johannesgutenburg6425

3 жыл бұрын

No need for transphobia.

@DMC888

3 жыл бұрын

Try jumping into an unattended police car and see what happens. I’m sure the police wouldn’t be so lenient when it comes to protecting themselves.

@JulianShagworthy

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannesgutenburg6425 There's nothing transphobic about that statement. If anything, it's an observation of the police being somewhat transphilic and being able to exploit that. Stop stirring up trouble.

@toast99bubbles

2 жыл бұрын

Even if the Jeep driver is trans and had legally changed their name, it shouldn't have been grounds to get away with the crime. Whilst I feel the initial comment goes a bit far because it is possible the driver was in the process of transitioning, the police still should have come to the same resolution they would have done with anyone else for physical assault and attempted theft. I say that as someone who does have a variety of mental health problems and is currently transitioning because I feel that I should be held as accountable for my actions as any other person. Not that I actually drive, I don't feel comfortable with the responsibility of being in control of something as heavy as a car going at high speeds, so I trust others instead.

Good job Ashley

Ironically I get a Jeep ad right after this video!

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

Are they still a go anywhere vehicle (except into free petrol pump spaces)? :)

@paulkeith9680

3 жыл бұрын

I skipped the ad so I can't answer that question 😉

Imagine this scenario in the US right now - with the Gas shortage.

@rusticpartyeditz

2 жыл бұрын

And guns

Credit where credit is due: looks like the police acted in a reasonable & considered manner here and didn't just drop the case because they were, err, 'too busy'. So well done Nottingham.👍 🙂

looool, your commendary at 1:30, now for the juicey bits

Had an odd one recently. Had pulled up to the pump behind a van that was at the one ahead. While filling, the van left and someone pulled in from other side facing the front of the vehicle I was driving. Then had to wait several minutes for them to fill up, get a coffee, pay, come back, check their phone and smirk at me while we sat and watched them. Should add I was in a 12t lorry with an instructor, so paying a lot of money for him and vehicle, and definitely had no intention of reversing back onto the busy road! I think it was reasonable to pull round the jeep for the reasons you mentioned. However, although I think people are often too quick to use the horn, a quick beep might have been enough to alert the Jeep driver to the cammer waiting and pump available, avoiding the confrontation. But who can really know what a total stranger might be dealing with at the time...

@derekheeps8012

Жыл бұрын

Had that a few times at the BP station in my local village - it had an entrance and an exit - one way system through the pumps , and sometimes you'd get chancers coming in the wrong way . I'd initially point nicely to the 'one way' and 'no entry' signs , but if they were obstinate I'd just blast my horn and get the attention of the girl in the office , who then just wouldn't activate the pump for them and put out a tannoy message saying it was a one way system and to come in from the other end or they wouldn't be served - helped that I was a regular and known to the staff .

Scary stuff! You just need to be constantly aware there are some proper strange people about who can react in a violent, aggressive way over something totaly insignificant! Mental illness aside, I don't think that is a credible excuse here! Surely if they are that triggered and such a little thing can tip them over the edge, should they be driving a car? In the wrong hands a vehicle can be a very dangerous weapon!⚠️😯🤔

This is an odd one, let’s hope the aggressor is more situationally aware from this episode.

Now I’m not excusing the driver of the jeeps behaviour....what a total BELL END. However, nipping in front of someone at a pump like that is clearly going to wind someone up. Most won’t bother, the odd one will respond with an aggressive reaction. You could beep the horn or shout over excuse me are you wanting that pump rather than just pushing in front.

Remember a few years back when the tanker drivers went on strike. My company car was a diesel and it could only be filled up at Shell. Went to the shell garage and the que was ridiculous, 40 plus cars all in a line on the main road , this intern caused the passing traffic to slow including me . Stuff that I'm not waiting, as I get to the front I see the HGV pump is empty so whip in and start filling my car, this old boy starts going on about how its for trucks not cars. I replied, its a diesel pump for eny vehical the HGV bit is so they can enter and exit easily. Filled up went in and paid. This clown was still going on whilst he filled his car up with UNLEADED. 😀😀😀