"Students cheat because the system values a grade more than they value student learning."- Neil deGrasse Tyson

@tessawilkins4016

Жыл бұрын

Which also explains capitalism

@thefatbob3710

Жыл бұрын

@@tessawilkins4016 what no? Really it defines an industrial society Schools have halted for some reason and are stuck within that era *the last thing a capitalist wants is a senario we’re his workers can’t even work together (especially for big tech)*

@Gahanun

Жыл бұрын

This is the exact opposite though. The issue described here is that the grades will sadly be the only measure left. Have you even watched the video before pasting a "profound" quote?

@aogasd

Жыл бұрын

​@@Gahanun just replace grade with 'commercial artwork' and it's the same idea.

@ipodtouchiscoollol

Жыл бұрын

@@thefatbob3710 lol that is only true if the workers are human, once we all get replaced they won't even have to pay minimum wage anymore. capitalism is just about profit profit profit. In the eyes of the capitalists wages have been eating into their margins for way too long they don't want workers that work together they want workers working at minimum wage and preferably less.

So the problem here lies in the fact that a lot of Art schools dropped practical exams and instead demand borderline professional portfolios in order to get admitted. There's 0 reason to submit a fake portfolio for art school because you will fail in the practical portion during the educational process, but also there's 0 reason because art school is meant to teach you how to build a proper portfolio and expand on your talents. If I can already do the work I do not need to waste several more years and hundred of thousand dollars to learn how to do it. Also you can just pay someone to make your portfolio so you don't even need AI. This video just underlines a huge problem of the way Visual arts education is handled. If you can produce viable and professional portfolio for art school, then you don't need art school because you already have the skills to work in the industry. Essentially the exams need to be narrowed down to basic techniques which have objective metrics to which one can be judged upon. This is not an AI problem, it's another amongst many problems with education, where we pointlessly have kids waste time and resources going through completely unnecessary processes convincing them it's for their own good.

@StorytellingHeadshots

Жыл бұрын

This is an insightful and underrated comment. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

@lanzer22

Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting point. Obviously, a clear understanding of fundamentals will make you a better artist, though in the work force it is your end result that counts, and if one artist uses AI to fill in the gap of understanding due to either a lack of knowledge or experience, is that artist therefore not worthy of being paid for his time? Most people still approach AI from an artist perspective. But if you approach it form a company perspective, it's less about people padding their knowledge or fundamentals, but having the ability to automate all production art in their library. That aspect is going to be industry changing whether it's for the better or worse from the worker's perspective.

@GoodwillWright

Жыл бұрын

This is why the best education is work experience. Yeah, there are some professions that need a "professional learning" environment like those in health, science and law perhaps. But a lot of other things you can learn on the job and most in a year. No need for expensive courses where when you go into that field, they tell you to forget everything you learned and to learn it their way. Really the only 3 things you need is basic aptitude in maths, science and language, and the drive to pursue your career.

@AimbotFreak

Жыл бұрын

​@@lanzer22 It's mostly experience and experimentation that make you better. Find a medium that cliques with you and go wild. You can produce amazing art without even knowing much about color theory, light and materials. Art Academies and a lot of Universities ended up being more about prestige rather than actually learning something or developing something. But prestige doesn't really get you much especially in the current day where University mass produce graduates. This is still through the artists perspective. A company will only automate a task if there is a purpose to it. Big corpos will create multiple fluff positions where the person literally does 0, for the simple purpose of controlling the workforce in a specific sector making it harder for competitors. Right now with the advent of AI the only jobs that will be replaced are those and middle/upper management, because they serve no purpose and the AI can perform those functions without risks of HR cases or mishandling of company assets.

@gaerekxenos

Жыл бұрын

As someone who has studied Art, the purpose of portfolio screening is supposed to be for looking for people with creative and insightful design/thoughts, then take them in to help elevate their work and skills to the next level -- which, unfortunately does not happen in practice. Or rather, probably doesn't happen for scholarships, which is just as important as acceptance into the programs themselves, usually If I were to do screenings for art schools, I would consider writing prompts alongside a portfolio submission, then a subsequent interview process for candidates if there is still need to filter more people out. There are many ways to try to screen out bad actors, and a lot of those methods aren't the most obvious. Some examples are rather innocent looking "about you" questions where... if you answer with rather generic but commonly "impressive" responses, will set off red flag markers -- with enough markers, would result in turning down the application. Eg. "What newspapers do you read" - if your response is only "New York Times" and you don't live anywhere near New York, that is an instant rejection because you are almost certainly BSing (Reason: Where's the actually relevant local paper? Or if New York Times was actually truly read, it was probably done digitally, so where are all of the other digital papers that you probably also ran into along the way?)

Reminds me of when I was learning Spanish and google translate was just getting good. It took a lot of discipline not to just google translate everything.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

Nowadays translators use the translating programmes and just edit the final text. However, AI, for now, does not fill in for interpreters, but this job is brutal. :)

@mf--

Жыл бұрын

​@@marikothecheetah9342 the translator job market was devastated because of it and it still has not recovered

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

@@mf-- unfrortunately, many people think they can translate and the AI only made them more sure of that. I won't even begin to speak about the level of translations I see today and I did not even put my foot into the job (although that was my dream job), because it is gatekept by people and I have better things to do, than to fight with those, who want to think they are elite and want to keep the industry as small as possible. :/ The AI is not a problem, people are.

@w花b

Жыл бұрын

​@@marikothecheetah9342 it works for surface level stuff but as soon as you get into strange cultural references or things like that, the automatic translator just can't do anything.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

@@w花b of course, hence the editing done by translators. If they are hired to do that, that is. :D

I think art schools should also be thinking about how to prepare students for the real working environment. I'm not sure myself what that environment will look like in 5 years for aspiring artists, the prospect of companies downsizing art teams and using ai instead makes me sad. This isn't the kind of future I want for my daughter, one in which we effectively encourage people not to bother trying to be creative anymore.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Its pretty clear that ALL knowledge work is on the verge of massive change. They’re was this whole thing where pundits spoke of how AI was giving to threaten Jo’s like truck driving. IF AI fucks up truck driving there are MASSIVE casualties. IF AI fucks up a book jacket, no on knows. The Creative Class is threatened… yikes

@nicholash1278

Жыл бұрын

haha yeah, I certainly would be very hesitant to bring children into the age of AI.

@alzamonart

Жыл бұрын

​@@StudioPractice1 Absolutely this. AI bros picking up on art first was a given considering this view: unlike other AI testing scenarios, they can't get sued / jailed for malpractice in art. After years of being said creative fields were going to be the last ones affected by AI, we didn't see this twist coming...

@I_Am_SciCurious

Жыл бұрын

I’m using Midjourney and I find it offers far more possibilities for creativity. You’re not limited by having the right paint or pencils or canvas on hand, you’re not limited by requiring space to work or allow things to dry. AI frees you to create whatever is in your head right now, and to tweak it until it feels right.

@nicholash1278

Жыл бұрын

@@I_Am_SciCurious You're not really creating what's in your head though. That is just lying to yourself if you really think that.

One of the only student questions I got when reading through my syllabus on the first day of this semester was, "Do you consider AI plagiarism?" I didn't know how to respond because I couldn't wrap my head around why anyone taking the time and spending the money to go to art/design school would want to use AI. I assumed (possibly naively) anyone pursuing a creative path would want to actually create. I hope and believe that the excitement and novelty of all this will wear off quickly for the individuals once they realize that the rewards of making creative work or engaging with it were never about the outward results. Along with a return to real, I hope all of this will drive people toward the kind of work or endeavors that deliver inward results, increase thinking, stimulate growth, etc. If that happens, then there may be some hope that the people, organizations, and corporations that dive head first into all the hype as a shortcut or a means to make a quick buck will either fail or be forced to adjust and do better.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Yo bro. Crazy times. Kids are friggin lazy AF. NO WAY TO TELL how this shots is going to play out. Right? Just look for 6 fingers. LOL. AI fucks up hands and feet. LOL!!!

@deontaywallaceescalade

Жыл бұрын

so much cope, my dude.

@zenkoan1838

Жыл бұрын

The problem is a societal focus on results over the process and that if you're not producing fast enough, cheaply enough then you will perish. The incentives in our socio-economic model has perversely pervaded all rungs and aspects of society and has led people to look for the easiest way to achieve what they want and what they've been taught to believe what they should have and deserve. AI is a tool but only amplifies what is desired and what is wanted in our culture.

@timewilltell7409

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@cassandramarks4452

Жыл бұрын

This is an ad for the software he mentions.

AI art feels like the invention of dynamite. I don’t think we know how powerful it is at the moment and how much it will change the landscape. It’s possible to pull interesting ideas out of it and I am sure it could be a fascinating tool to integrate with craft. What is disheartening to see is how a lot of folks are willing to plug and chug with the program.

@FP19487

Жыл бұрын

More like invention of car. And artists are the horse breeder..

@brandongorin7978

Жыл бұрын

@@FP19487 I picked my metaphor and stand by it.

@hexelnov7D9

Жыл бұрын

@@FP19487 I think as an artist it's more like ai chess, you can play around with it but not in the tournament setting. in industry however more like automated machine, It's an invention for big movie studio, ad companies, and maybe game studios but I cant see it implemented in smaller or individuals level without being overcrowded

@huhulalammm

Жыл бұрын

@@FP19487 yeah. like how the world is trying to move away from cars too and leaning towards bicycle more.

@petneb

Жыл бұрын

"Non" artists wil be able to create stories they have never before been able to even think of being able to create. It is going to be wonderful to see the stories of humans by the millions.

For submitting art to a school just have the students come in and do one life drawing session so the school can take the real art samples and compare the techniques with the submitted portfolio

@queas

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking something exactly like this. I had a provisional admission to an art school after high school that required me to get a B in life drawing after the first quarter since my portfolio didn't include any (hadn't done it yet). So these kinds of requirements are not new and likely will just be more common for everyone regardless of portfolio. I didn't go to that school based on the uncertainty of whether or not I could meet that expectation married to the fact of the loan risk I would have taken on, as a whole in general, but especially if wasn't able to stay at the school. So I can imagine it's likely to catch those who really don't have faith enough in their ability to perform at the level required to enter, so much that they're putting AI images in their portfolio.

@u_se_l_e_ss3869

Жыл бұрын

that is actually how art schools do it where i live. the portfolio has to be traditional as well. As much as I enjoy digital work a talented artist should be able to translate his techniques to any other medium

@jeremyp2164

Жыл бұрын

theirs a hell of a alot of artist you r incredibly shit at life drawing but crush it at everything else. when drawing the figure from life it uses different motor skills. you would have to test them across all fields of art

@u_se_l_e_ss3869

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyp2164 i would love to say you are right and you can definitely be a great designer and have great artistic skills without good muscle memory, but schools still try to prepare you for that and you still need to have a decent life drawing skills.

@u_se_l_e_ss3869

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyp2164 i for one have very limited experience with working on big canvases and have a hard time with them, but still my understanding of anatomy, form and composition puts me above people with much more traditional art experience

We asked for Artificial Intelligence but all we got was Artificial Creativity.

There are likely talented young artist that have grown up using only a tablet or computer and may be completely blindsided by a rising demand for physical media. I hope teachers and mentors can help yong artist navigate this monumental change in the art world.

@arnowisp6244

Жыл бұрын

True. May the return of Oil Paitings be Glorious.

@bluemingsounds2837

Жыл бұрын

I remember the days of works on illustration board and vellum.

@GaryParris

Жыл бұрын

script kiddies in the vain of art (or script engineers as they are now known in social narratives)

@SirEdigarious

Жыл бұрын

I’m just turning 21. I graduated Highschool during covid. I’ve been drawing with the intention of being a professional for at least 12 years or so. In the span of about 5 months, I’ve watched AI far surpass what I having been working over a decade on. I watch new Deviantart accounts that have only been created weeks ago amass thousand of watchers. For me, who cannot make a living with my art, I watch as these people make hundreds of dollars a week selling ai commissions and adoptables. Making a minimum wage. These ai are made with the drawings that artists have listed online. Artists like myself. It can be gauranteed that even my art has been used by many data sets at this time. My art is used, but I am not paid. My future seems more and more hopeless. I have no other skills in this life and am also very disabled. This was fine before ai existed. It was a hard path, but one that I could pave towards success. I wonder how if the only way to succeed artistically is to steal others stolen work by using ai. I feel depressed. I wish ai didn’t exist.

@huveja9799

Жыл бұрын

I guess the crisis is not so much in what AI can produce, but in the kind of people our society is producing. We should not be afraid of what AI can produce, we should be afraid of what AI can produce in the people our society is producing. If our society produces people without the basic virtues (and I use that outdated word on purpose, a "mental habit in harmony with reason and the order of nature"), which are Critical Thinking ("Prudence"), Integrity ("Justice"), Perseverance ("Fortitude") and Self-Discipline ("Temperance"), then what AI can produce in those people is disastrous, since it will enhance the deficiencies in those virtues feeding back in a negative way. So the solution doesn't happen so much, although we have to take precautions, in finding ways to prevent people from misusing AI, but in educate people so that they don't misuse AI, and that means that basic education has to produce people with those virtues. any other solution is going to be a patch that will lose effectiveness very soon (a temporal patch).

I liked your description of the process of sitting down and thinking about the process of making art, then fully partaking in making it. This is something only a teacher or a pro could tell you. The process is the most important part, and it starts before putting brush to canvas/pencil to paper and continues on as the artist works on a piece.

@RoopaDudleyPaintings

3 ай бұрын

I am an art teacher and an artist. The joy of creativity and discovery my students get using their ideas, hand and eye coordination, and emotions is the whole reason of being an artist. Hand knitted is coveted than machine made. One is a piece of art, the other could be mass produced. It is the process, focus, emotional mindset, and sensory factors that bring gratification. Having said that, I do like the quality and beauty of AI Art. Digital Art should be a class/genre of its own.

In the university where I'm currently teaching in (Aalto ARTS, Finland), we have ba applicants send in a digital work on the basis of which around 90 are invited to campus for a 3-day entrance exam, where they work under supervised conditions and turn in original work. Around 30 are then accepted into the programme based on the exam + an interview. It's not a perfect system - it tends to favour people with strong painting skills over analytic/typographic skills - but at least we get to see work we know for certain was produced by the applicants.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to write… That sounds like a great way to really get a sense of who you’re dealing with. It reminds me of Benetton’s system at Fabrica in the 1990’s/2000’s (not sure what they are currently doing). When I was a guest artist there, they would invite students for a two week trial. they would end up “sending about half off.” (Not accepting about half). Brutal process but led to good results. t seems lime the school would have to pay the student for their time. No? that would make it a near impossibility in America. What problems if any do you see with your system?

@tuomaskortteinen5388

Жыл бұрын

Finnish and US higher ed are so different that it makes comparisons a little tricky - here, there is no tuition (at least for EU passport holders) and Finnish students get a small monthly stipend from the state on top. As such the applicants are not paid to sit through the exams - I think they have to pay travel & accomodation costs themselves as well. Def something we should work on though. Maybe the biggest challenge we're facing is finding, as you put it, self-actualised (or almost self-actualised) human beings. It seems that Finnish high schools have become extremely goal-oriented in the past decade and as a result we find that many students are primarily focused on 'ticking boxes' in order to complete courses and get their degrees - expecting the next set of doors (employment) to magically open once they've done so.

@tuomaskortteinen5388

Жыл бұрын

In terms of the admissions system & the exams, they make it quite easy to identify applicants with high-level craft skills in painting and drawing, but on the other hand simple craft skills don't mean that one has things to say and an interest in the outside world/visual communication in general. Partly this is a problem of briefs and grading (both of which we're working on), partly it's a problem of time and resources (work undertaken by 90 people during the span of 3 days is a lot to assess & grade for our staff). A thing that IMO is only seldom brought up in discussions about the ramifications of AI in higher ed is that if we want to create assignments and exams that truly measure the skills of the student (and not just a semblance of those skills), we'll have to dedicate considerable time and effort on both coming up with AI proof briefs and/or their grading (as well as other forms of feedback to students). And I'm not sure if this equation is workable given the insane cohort sizes in many art schools...

@huveja9799

Жыл бұрын

I guess the crisis is not so much in what AI can produce, but in the kind of people our society is producing. We should not be afraid of what AI can produce, we should be afraid of what AI can produce in the people our society is producing. If our society produces people without the basic virtues (and I use that outdated word on purpose, a "mental habit in harmony with reason and the order of nature"), which are Critical Thinking ("Prudence"), Integrity ("Justice"), Perseverance ("Fortitude") and Self-Discipline ("Temperance"), then what AI can produce in those people is disastrous, since it will enhance the deficiencies in those virtues feeding back in a negative way. So the solution doesn't happen so much, although we have to take precautions, in finding ways to prevent people from misusing AI, but in educate people so that they don't misuse AI, and that means that basic education has to produce people with those virtues. any other solution is going to be a patch that will lose effectiveness very soon (a temporal patch).

@aaronwinters916

Жыл бұрын

@@huveja9799 very well said

Interesting take Elliott. The Art Academy of Latvia has been known to have in person exams for their courses. For BA Graphic design course for example there are three tasks: Classical drawing, 2D composition task (poster) and a 3D composition task (sculpture). Then there’s also a portfolio review and an interview. Quite a tricky one.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

It is tricky. The American context makes it nearly impossible to see if students will work well in the studio prior to admissions.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 You don't have entrance exams with drawing an object or composition? O.o Everything seems to be based on portfolio.

@NathanLorenzana

Жыл бұрын

That for me should be standard, everywhere, all the time.

@AimbotFreak

Жыл бұрын

​@@marikothecheetah9342 A lot of the top schools around the world require only portfolio and an interview as means for admission. It's an extremely stupid system.

@Sanctum1972

Жыл бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 Not that tricky actually. It's VERY simple. Ask them to show a sketchbook with drawings done by hand to compare their natural style to the finished pieces that may look too polished ( ie. AI ) for their admitted age of 18 right out of high school or close to early 20s. That's how you smoke them out. This will force wanna be frauds to think twice before trying to fake their way into art school OR rather the real working world to cut in front of the line like a punk. The latter IS the threat that art and design schools should be worried about and prevent. You gotta think AHEAD of the AI developers and those who attempt to use it. This is not to dissimilar to nuclear proliferation where nuclear weapons should be cut back and curtailed. Same thing with AI since it can be abused easily. It's on YOU and your school to stand up and sound the alarm and point fingers at AI 'artists' to say " Don't even try it. Don't even think about it. Put in the time and effort if you want to be one, not game the system with AI ".

In the past, I’ve been criticized by other collegues for sticking to traditonal art instead of doing digital Illustration (think basically your generic “videogame character concepts” you see on DeviantArt & Artstation). This is probably the only instance in my life where I’m glad I was stubborn enough to never shift fully into digital means. Though I feel bad because I know so many people that are primarly way too dependent on digital tools. Can't either even draw in paper or haven't done so in years. Is there any way those people can still “make it”?

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

I’m begging to think AI will fill many commercial art roles that used to be filled by designers and illustrators…. Look at Mid Journey and imagine what that can do 5 years from now

@cosmicllama6910

Жыл бұрын

I am one of those artists who relies heavily, and honestly just prefers, working digitally. Among other things, I really like having access to many types of media (paint, pastel, markers, etc) in a small space with no mess. It's allowed me to explore messy mediums I probably wouldn't have otherwise. That being said, I still wouldn't mind at all if there started to be more emphasis on traditional to weed out the people who really are just "prompters" I know I could prove who I am with traditional if I have to, and considering everything going on, I wouldn't mind the compromise.

@jag764

Жыл бұрын

It's incredibly naive to think that this won't move over into traditional art too, I 110% think it will.

@TopDrawer_Art

Жыл бұрын

@@jag764 you are right, sorry if came off naive like that.

@foxtail7363

Жыл бұрын

​@@jag764 yeah robots can paint

Everyone thinks ai is a silly toy or they’re concerned about the impact of the current versions. But almost no one realizes how fast this is going to advance. It’s like worrying about the impact of a single asteroid when there 1,000,000 asteroids behind it

@loverrlee

Жыл бұрын

Oh believe me, that’s *why* I’m worried

@chadcrypto2675

Жыл бұрын

Text To Video is coming now. 2 to 3 second clips, yet its on its way.

@Drestlin

Жыл бұрын

in 5 years you'll be able to pop out an avenger style movie from a synopsys. it's the apocalypse for creative jobs.

@AmazingArends

Жыл бұрын

Best comment on the entire thread!

@Resouler

Жыл бұрын

i agree, can't wait, i honestly think this will be huge for creative people, they might not see it yet but, it's just a diferent tool, like digital was back in the day.

We had no Art program at my high school. Just an Art class. Great teacher. He did the best he could with the limited supplies we had. Literally an art closet with old art supplies. We had to dig to find a tube of paint that wasn't dried out. A lot of Rubber Cement. Probably killed a few brain cells there.

I hope all of this AI stuff makes everyone reflect and discover what is really important to them, something beyond even the deep patterns of productivity that we lived for until now.

@nicholash1278

Жыл бұрын

I hope so also. Hopefully some positive things come from this and we can restructure society to be centered around humans instead of around profits.

@CamelliaFlingert

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholash1278 did we had some good times at least once? never, every era, every societies and governments doing the same bad things for people, why think then that something would be different now? Industrialization happened, many people died from starvation because of being jobless and unable to adapt to new era and world. It's like a natural selection, but in our case it's more terrifying, because: 1. unlike nature, we have a mind, consciousness, so people (masses in society and governments) doing it on purpose by themselves. 2. unlike nature, we have a morality, which means that those people violating this morality on purpose, with full understanding and awareness of what they're doing and that it's bad and immoral. Artificial selection by idiots in society and few people in power of this world, who cares only about their money.

@nicholash1278

Жыл бұрын

@@CamelliaFlingert Nope we never did have a fair society, did I imply otherwise?

@CamelliaFlingert

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholash1278 nope, you didn't, but you think that this would somehow change them and our world will become better

@nicholash1278

Жыл бұрын

@@CamelliaFlingert I actually don't think Ai will make the world better. It will probably just make the world worse. I just hope it can have a positive impact... but it's not what I'd bet money on.

It's really coming down to what my math teacher used to say, "Show your work".

I think it's not so hard to determine if the work is their own. Have them interview, on video, if not in person, and have them present their three best works. If they can't discuss or answer questions about their motivation/process/technique, etc. it's probably not their work.

@gaerekxenos

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a good filter for making sure works are not generated by AI. Not 100% fool-proof, but it will generally get through a *lot* of BS quite easily. Program used, technique and tools used are big ones -- which people can BS if they know enough about working with said tools, but... they'd need to know what's up first. Puts quite a bit of pressure on the interviewer to know all of the programs and ins and outs of all of them though =/

@UltraVitamin

Жыл бұрын

You could also require that they submit one timelapse video of the creation of their work. That way there is no question whether the art was human or ai created

@roboko6618

Жыл бұрын

text to video prompt: make me a video of me painting this painting chatgpt: explain how i would make this painting

@UltraVitamin

Жыл бұрын

@@roboko6618 text to video wouldn’t work, ai cannot generate videos that would obviously resemble something a human made (not yet)

I spent thirty years turning photos into photorealistic drawings and paintings and found Midjourney when it was on Version 1. It allows me to see all the different art types that I only ever saw in private collections, now I am painting in styles of art that I only ever dreamt of experimenting with. just switched to using palette knives for the first time and I can tell you that it certainly is liberating. I don't envy your task of admitting students based on their portfolios, but you do have a pretty good grasp of detecting students who have been assisted by AI.

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to request evidence of the process of creation and/or some writing demonstrating an understanding of what has been produced?

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

That seems like a possibility

A couple of responsorial thoughts: In terms of an Admissions Crisis, give your candidates a surpise medium at the interview and say, "make". There's already an Admissions Crisis in terms of documentation of work because a slick photo of a mediocre work submitted to Slideroom is more interesting than a mediocre photo of an unphotographable work. So good. Good for selection processes. Good at redirecting the admissions critique away from documentation of work and towards work. In terms of a professional reaction to AI via a return to materiality, CNC can dip a brush too, bro. I think the better strategy is to respond with an architectural workflow, producing compositions or instructions that can be executed by others, either with simple machines (such as a stick) or highly complex ones (such as AI).

Just wait, everything is about to get crazy. They are working on running ai in real time over simple models in video games and its wild. Photo realism switched on and off like a light. That's just one example off the top of my head I saw recently, the applications for where this can go are endless. This tech is going to change the world like radio or television or the telephone, but the price tag is going to be staggering. Everything is going to be automated and people are going to ape the fuck out when they realize what's happening.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

That’s a possibility for sure

@alpha0xide9

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes. It's all happening as we speak.

@sevendeadlychins

Жыл бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 It's an eventuality.

@LexyLexer

Жыл бұрын

Happening in government rn, every other worker I know is using ChatGpt

These are all very smooth images. When I went to art school it was all about mark-making and different effects created by different materials. I think human made art looks far better than AI as it is full of emotion and energy that to me seems to be lacking in AI. I think it would be difficult to completely reproduce an image that is in the human imagination just from some word prompts.

@PixieoftheWood

Жыл бұрын

I also think human art is better because there's more versatility, more that's unique to the artist. I'm experimenting with a free online AI program to better understand how AI behaves, and the thing I've noticed is it has very narrow abilities to represent things. When I typed in 'woman', for example, it gave me only images of skinny white women with large breasts wearing bikinis. I then tried to get it to give me an image of a woman who was wearing something more modest, and it generated old timey black and white photos. I tried to get a terrifying sharp toothed mermaid, but as soon as it knew there was a mermaid, it would be unable to add the horror features onto the mermaid imagery. Basically, because it's dataset is just 'whatever art was posted online', it takes whatever imagery was the most frequent and amplifies it, making that the only imagery it will provide. Furthermore, I've found it cannot process two different characters doing two different things in an image. While the art is very pretty, it's also very much inferior to what a human artist can do.

Having students submit real work as well as digital work would weed a lot of of impersonators. That's a good thing.

As an independent film producer/director my mission statement in creating art in a collaborative effort has evolved to explicitly exclude Ai in all aspects of the process of my filmmaking, from writing during pre-production to finishing the sound mix in post. I am fundamentally biased and prejudiced against Ai contribution to my work in any fashion and I'd better not catch any collaborator resorting to Ai. FULL STOP.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

I hear ya…. I’m not sure how I feel about it quite yet…. But obviously pretty negative

Interesting point about proctoring. I wonder if art tests will have to be conducted, similar to the process required to work at a game studio, for instance, but this will be tricky, because like you said (most of) these students are still learning. Makes you wonder what they would be able to accomplish within an observable timeframe.

@thejhonnie

Жыл бұрын

as a 3D artist, I was always worried about AI, a lot of the tasks i was given when starting out i used to think "this is relatively menial, how is this process not yet automated?". Then years later, photogrammetry gained popularity, and while rough, they are super effective. BUT - how is one supposed to scan something that doesn't exist? Like a dragon for instance. You would need a skilled sculptor, and this reminds me of your point in bringing up a return to material aspects. Really good video as always.

@radicaledward101

Жыл бұрын

The Japanese art school admissions process depicted in the show Blue Period seems like the obvious move here. For a fine art program (in this case oil painting) proctored prompt-driven painting sessions are conducted over a multi-day evaluation period. I think the problem arises in the multi-day concept, as students would still be able to access ai at some point during the examination period. Still though, the possibility of proctored creative sessions is theoretically possible, but it may interfere with Western ideas of creativity, because it focuses on "creation on demand" over the traditional slightly more atemporal portfolio submission process.

@DimiArt

Жыл бұрын

@@thejhonnie I've done something similar to the example you just gave. I 3D a small dragon toy, put it into blender, did some edits and scaled it up larger, added a few bones for small movements and the dragon looks like it's something i made from scratch.

@gaerekxenos

Жыл бұрын

​@radicaledward101 For a large country such as the US, such proctoring is not feasible as there are travel and lodging expenses to factor in. Those become ridiculously expensive here, especially since our transportation systems are terrible across the country. More practical methods of filtering people out tend to be an essay prompt, innocent looking "about you" questions, and an interview -- the same people who will abuse AI for applications will tend to be same ones who BS answers to make themselves "look impressive." If we do end up with test proctoring, then the most practical method would be to have several different schools come together and set up testing in local areas across the country for applicants, similar to "Portfolio Day"s

@thejhonnie

Жыл бұрын

@@gaerekxenos good point. I remember for my art diploma in high school I had to have a proctored art test. This was in 2013. They've since done away with the system I think. I also remember the chaos of the portfolio days at college get togethers (I forget what they're called, it was at the javits center). 1000's of people walking around with their portfolios trying to get a word in with the top schools. Maybe you're right, because flying out/travelling to schools just to do a test would be really difficult. My hope is that whoever is proctoring the exam for the college would have the technical know how to spot someone cheating with ai. Or maybe in the future using ai will be part of the curriculum 🫣

I love your videos. "The real" hit home with me, thanks for your insights. You really strike a great balance of being direct and quite serious alongside being hopeful and funny- a deadly combination!

thanks so much for getting rid of the room reverb in these recordings, it makes a huge difference in my ability to follow along and is appreciated!

I agree with you that non digital forms of art will be considered scarce. Hopefully a replacement for NFTs will be and increased demand for physical artwork from a broader base of independent artists distributed internationally 😅

If real world painting comes back i would be so happy 😊

I’m joining an art program next year (because AI be damned I wanna do it, even if it’s not for a career) and their policy on AI is that, if it’s caught being used, it results in an instant expulsion, which is pretty neat since it’s easy to tell if it’s ai

I'm a high school art teacher listening to this a year after it was posted. Yesterday my district had staff sit through an entire day of "training" to use AI in the classroom. As you can imagine, my mind flooded with all that will be lost as this change takes over our schools. In searching for ways to maintain the integrity of my program and to continue to deliver opportunities of substance to my students, I began searching for other voices, particularly regarding art, on this topic and I found your video. I very much appreciate your thoughts. You gave me a lot to consider. Thank you!

Just stumbled upon this video by chance and as someone who had to go through an admission test (not a SAT) to apply entering to my country's highest art institution in the early 90s, I can agree with most of your points. Specially on the eventual, forthcoming return of "the real" in terms of verifiable proficiency through use of traditional art materials. I don't know how else will art directors or teachers will tell whether a candidate or student is cheating with AI or not. Even the CEO of openAi (ChatGPT) has openly admitted the overall value of digital-based jobs will decrease dramatically as a consequence of AI. So where does that leave us? As I'm approaching 50 now, I now dream of the remainder of my working life not requiring a computer...

I'd love to hear you explore more how you think art education might integrate or embrace these tools. I see there being an opportunity for composition, ideation, exploration of a subject, refinement, etc etc. as a part of the more traditional artistic process. But with how fast the space is moving, is there even value in building a curriculum around current tools that could be completely different by the time the course is over.

Thanks for the intelligent and educated take on ai art and its impact. A lot of individuals in art and design have a opinion on it but don’t even know the name or capabilities of these image gen. models, which always annoyed me. Thank you

@StudioPractice1

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Seeing the actual material will def be important. Something I've been thinking about when it comes to ai art is how a personal element is lost. I don't know if that would matter for commercial art because the customer will just want the product. But the community and relational aspect of art would be lost. I guess I'm thinking about a curator or personal collector, at least part of the reason they want the art is because of the person who made it right? Their time, effort, personality, maybe it injects the art with some kind of essence. One area where ai could disrupt that is if the person has a style easily replicated by ai, and they choose to assembly line it with ai, getting rid of the need for assistants or whatever. If someone is paying for that would they feel duped? Do they feel duped by assistant made work? I've always felt like ai has an "ai" look too that even if it copies the work well there is still that weird sheen on it. That could easily be fixed at some point tho with the exponential development.

I been waiting for you to touch on this for a while hell yeah

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

I think its a huge thing… I think its going to fundamentally alter design in maybe not such a good way

@user-fd8fe9hk9q

Жыл бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 I agree, but good design was always few and far in between. I think itll change image making in general, then maybe eventually animation. But I think there will still be a place for the artist and Craftsman in the world. I mean I'm sure there's already many millions of ai images created, and some of the more advanced models have created very impressive stuff, and yet Ive only seen about 2 ai images I found to truly "have it". If that makes sense. And those images were made by artist who already "had it". Basically, ai tools can not turn petty minds into artists. (I'm using the word artist here in an honorific manner not a classificatory one)

Thank You so much for this upload and comment on the matter!!! So Thought Provoking!!

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to write

I think a good case against AI is that with copyright, you CANT COPYRIGHT an idea. You can copyright the expression of a piece of art. But typing in what you want to see with AI is not coming up with the expression of an idea. It's like paying an artist for a piece of art, they own the IP because through their hard work they deserve to own what they created and need to be protected to make a living off of it. an AI has no choice in making art and it does not need money so why should a person own the copyright to art using AI when copyright laws were meant for humans?

As an art prof myself, if I ever see an AI generate image from a student or potential student, my question to that individual would be "what did YOU actually do to produce this image?" Keying in words to have an algorithm make the image for you isn't remotely part of any creative process. It's lazy and shows no respect for the profession you claim to be interested in pursuing... As you can tell AI art infuriates me.

@bonespro

Жыл бұрын

Exact same thing I say to anyone that uses a computer for any type of artwork.

Dude, schools are dealing with this now. From highschool to University the staff are freaking out a little. Well at least for one prof I talk to, but the teens and college students are using Chat GPT for essay writing and these places ironically need AI to determine if the writing is fake or not. The old tools to determine pledgerism can't sort out the writing. Please do one on Adobe, because that has some huge impacts, especially art schools who push their products on to students.

@Resouler

Жыл бұрын

ok but we already have software that rewords the ai output to be less sus like at that point gl xD

So I’ll focus on work ethic; showing actual materials, showing behind the scenes.👌🏻 Thank you for this informative video!❤️

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

I agree ( I actually can't put into words how much I agree). You had me at "work ethic"

Thank you for doing this very indepth and thoughtful analysis on the topic. I haven't even considered the effect on art school that the AI tech will have.

I’ve been saying for years we need a neodada or similar movement and embrace illogic as software embraces logic, process, and optimization. These are all things computers do well, but they cannot match the intuitive leaps, fuzziness of the human mind.

@commoditycreature

Жыл бұрын

oh great point. Neodada it is

@timonvader

Жыл бұрын

I have felt similarly at times, but when it comes to commissioned design, I think most customers will go for the decent, cheap and functional option, which will probably be at least AI powered.. Neodada would be sick and exciting for sure and I'm all for it - funny thing is, when image AI was breaching the surface over the last couple of years it was highly uncanny and weird. I'm kinda let down by how 'good' it gets, I have had little time to play around with it when it sucked, which imo get the most interesting results. Fuzzy, intuitive, illogic. It was there, in the machine, but it learned to optimize.

@katielowen

Жыл бұрын

Idk about that.. It’s pretty easy to use the AI to get you 90% of the way there, and then put your final 10% of ‘fuzziness’ to it

@commoditycreature

Жыл бұрын

@@katielowen yeah figured... interesting. could be like any other tool of creation then. DAWs in music make it possible to write for anything and get a decent performance of it. not to mention ai music lol

@f1shze4lot

Жыл бұрын

@@katielowen with 90% of the process removed what stops AI to make it to 100%?

As a visual artist - I learned to code instead of learning digital graphics. All those gruelling years teaching web technologies regretting my path - but all the while holding a grip on my pencil for my traditional practice is I now know its the best decision I ever made! Phew!

@solarmkarus2845

Жыл бұрын

Ai is coming for us all.

I’m editing my video about AI art now. I agree completely with so much of what you said! In my video, I also talk about the importance of the process, and learning through the failure of not ending where you expected. Hopefully, what will happen as artists we will focus more on curating a style, developing a specific voice through traditional medium and we will go back to old entrance exams. I ALWAYS had to create on demand based on a request, like “create an image of friends at a party.” And of course, an open minded instructor would accept a piece in any style I presented, even in the abstract, as long as it was created in the classroom. As art teachers, we’ll just have to work harder.

“The return of real” got me to click… not disappointed with your channel, my internet compatriot.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Nice! I’m glad you did

@spacemanbill9501

Жыл бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 I’m here to learn! Finally. So quiet in here now. Only an artist like you could have helped me. It’s hard for me to listen to non-schizophrenics haha

I saw this coming since I started playing with A.I two years ago. I knew advertisers would be the first to throw out artists for this cheaper version. Art schools are gonna be overwhelmed sadly and it’s going to be felt around the world for artists. It’s very unfortunate. Especially to those not in the know and purchasing works made by A.I. I’ve already seen artists faking with A.I. and I’ve already seen some unreal animations made with A.I. Midjourney isn’t the best. and it’s only getting better and better with training of the system. Been watching my partner fine tune and make things I would hang in the wall. It’s incredible and saddening.

I don't think returning to physicallity is a bad thing, in my country's art schoold you not only have to have your physical portfolio but have to partisipate in drawing sessions as well. Because, when you think about it, your work always could have been made by someone else, and if you put 100h in the art work it will be better than the 10h one. So a standart tests helps to see what is your real level.

I had the exact same conclusion - real life technical skills will finally become more relevant again! This is actually amazing I think!

I taught graduate level courses at the Academy of Art University for over a decade, all online. It was a constant struggle to keep up with plagiarism as it was; today I have no idea how I'd weed out the AI from those who spent 15 hours researching and digitally rendering an original design.

@StudioPractice1

4 ай бұрын

This is at least in part the problem. The other major problem is the downstream effects on our labor - on what we do. Or what we can do for money

@GingerPeacenik

4 ай бұрын

@@StudioPractice1 indeed. I think of the hundreds of students I taught over the years, all of whom entered into debt slavery for their dream of doing what I did in the 80s, '90s and naughts; work on major feature films. It was a tough market to begin with; now those positions have been slashed by 90% in studios like Disney and Dreamworks! Those who once wagged their fingers and said "learn to code!" Weren't any wiser; AI is swiftly snagging many of those gigs as well, as chat GPT can do in 20 seconds what took an experienced coder two weeks to do just a couple of years ago. Sure, they may still need the coder to comb through it's work, but for how much longer? And mere troubleshooting won't pay the bills. I'm not sure what the answer is. All white collar workers can't turn to working as landscapers, construction, domestics and plumbers, especially since far fewer people are able to afford homes.

I started painting inspired by midjourney. Of course, I am not looking to become an artist or to get into at school. The tool helped me a lot to get started but once I got able to replicate my model I did some stuff from photographies. But both ended having a taste like if you eat every day at the same Chinese restaurant. AI models helped me in the beginning before I understood composition because it removed one hard part of making something satisfying. At the same time. I stopped using it because it seemed to become more and more boring at composting things, putting subjects dead centered, limiting more and more the spectrum ratio. I think you should still be able to ask for a portfolio of still life and get something. Of course even at young age, everyone had his style, but those heavily relying on AI will end up looking similar in the process and some ( even using AI) you will spot song more of their character into the work.

@asafoetidajones8181

Жыл бұрын

You can train an AI, though. If you're not satisfied with its understanding of composition, you can feed it with examples that better fit with what you're looking for, including your own work.

@chomcat1910

Жыл бұрын

@@asafoetidajones8181 Or better yet, LEARN the fundamentals instead of purely relying on the works other people. Using references can only get you so far. Sure it'll take more time than training ai, but the process is far more rewarding and the knowledge and skills will be transferable to other mediums. And especially since ai can only get so "creative" with the images it produces. People are capable of being far more imaginative than ai because current ai is incapable of thinking the way humans do (if you can even call it thinking to begin with).

@asafoetidajones8181

Жыл бұрын

@@chomcat1910 like I said though, you can train an AI on your own work. Exclusively, if you want, and produce derivative works from its output and retrain on them, etc. Whether or not you personally care to grow as an artist and learn good fundamental skills is irrelevant, certainly there's value in that if that's what you want out of your relationship with art. It's not how everyone relates to art, though. Some people are curators, consumers, collectors, or want it for specific utility as opposed to being interested in producing it in some hypothetically "pure" form, following a standardized academic path. Myself, I only want results, and am unwilling to build skill. That's my relationship with visual art. On say, ukulele, I'm different - I want the fundamentals, I put in the work, I practice technique. For visual art, I want what I want, in the easiest way possible. So for me that means using cut and paste paper techniques, photocopying, photoshop, an opaque projector, tracing, grid transfer, anything that works. It's more focused on utility. I would happily use AI for that, although I haven't gotten around to it.

@hind__

Жыл бұрын

​@@asafoetidajones8181 Your comment is incredibly sad to me. I can't believe there are people who can say "I don't care about building a skill, I just want results"....

@asafoetidajones8181

Жыл бұрын

@@hind__ why? Do you repair your own car and home, do your own dental work? Or are you happy to just do the minimum required to get a good result? Is art a religion to you, that it commands a spiritual duty? Consider that for others, art can be functional, and that pathologizing that is evangelical.

All artwork will need an "organic" certification that it was made entirely by a human.

@fl7210

Жыл бұрын

You assume the audience will care

@Shotzeethegamer

Жыл бұрын

@@fl7210 I care

@notcornelius123

Жыл бұрын

​@@fl7210 When the once conspiracy idea of dead internet will occur as things go, people will care. But it might be too late.

@noname-nu6oo

Жыл бұрын

@@fl7210 simply put, it would be like comparing a hand knitted sweater made of hand made wool yarn vs. Mass productions of machine made synthetic sweaters.

@huveja9799

Жыл бұрын

I guess the crisis is not so much in what AI can produce, but in the kind of people our society is producing. We should not be afraid of what AI can produce, we should be afraid of what AI can produce in the people our society is producing. If our society produces people without the basic virtues (and I use that outdated word on purpose, a "mental habit in harmony with reason and the order of nature"), which are Critical Thinking ("Prudence"), Integrity ("Justice"), Perseverance ("Fortitude") and Self-Discipline ("Temperance"), then what AI can produce in those people is disastrous, since it will enhance the deficiencies in those virtues feeding back in a negative way. So the solution doesn't happen so much, although we have to take precautions, in finding ways to prevent people from misusing AI, but in educate people so that they don't misuse AI, and that means that basic education has to produce people with those virtues. any other solution is going to be a patch that will lose effectiveness very soon (a temporal patch).

Super insightful and mirrors so many concerns and worries in my mind about what the future holds. But I do like the idea of "the return of the real" ... and I hope that aspect does come true. I do worry about a huge swath of people that just accept the AI art for what it is - which might prevent many young people to ever START the long journey to mastery of an art form.

Art school applications will fall. Jobs in art and design will fall. Corporations will gleefully embrace the enormous productivity gains coming out of AI. Not many artists can support themselves outside of the corporate world. That's where most of them land, except for those who end up outside of the art and design field entirely. Portfolio padding is probably the least of the problems facing art schools in coming years.

This is gonna weed out all the artists who aren’t that great. Great artists will continue to thrive, half of being an artist is having a good work ethic.

This was a fascinating video. Until now I was only thinking about how this is going to change things for commercial artists and thinking about the unethical way these AIs were trained. I had not even considered the wrench this might throw into the admissions process. That's a really sticky subject though. It will be interesting to see how art and design schools handle it. It seems like they will have to accommodate AI somehow or take a "show your process" audition kind of thing or something else entirely. I feel there is the chance that a school that takes the stance that they require hand made artifacts as the most weighty part of a submission will get heavy criticism. I can see arguments that a school like that is gatekeeping, or just stodgy and unwilling to embrace change. There's going to be the questions of what is art, and what makes a person an artist. I say this because AI generated images are the new "thing" and there's a whole lot of commotion and strong feelings for and against it. I teach art at the Elementary school level, and during meetings where high school art teachers are present I have not yet heard any talk at all about AI imagery.

@AA-lz4wq

Жыл бұрын

How is the use of databases unethical? You know, they could've just attached a web scanner or even a webcam to the AI and let it browse a bunch of artsites and social media so that it could "see" through its "eyes" and learn to do things just as we do. This is, in essence, the same as using databases (just a little bit more inefficient). When you post something online, especially if you do it on a public site, you implicitly consent to a third party watching and using whatever you post to some degree. You can't stop others from being inspired by the stuff you upload. For instance, someone could easily let an AI scan this comment section and paraphrase your wording. I never heard the art community complain when chatbots were using their tweets as a learning tool. In any case, if you're against this process, you're against AI itself, but the thing is that you would've never questioned its use until it directly afflicted your work field.

@sayitasis8326

Жыл бұрын

We should gatekeep and to heck with the naysayers, if you want quickly done things then so be it but actual art should be held to a higher standard.

One of the extremely important limitation to resolve in the world of digital art, AI or not, is the rasterization problem. Raster imagery is pixelated and not satisfyingly scalable. With the help of a dataset dictionary of compressed colors and patterns, just like AI models are, it could be possible to un-rasterize images and have a scalability more akin to vector imagery whereas you can zoom in vector images infinitely and always have sharp and straight edges. The models developed for AI could alternatively be used to de-rasterize images in a non-AI postprocessing routine.

Thsnk you! Excellent presentation and overview.

do you think there will be a stifling of art produced due to the AI model stealing art, which less artist will produce art which will result in art stagnating, which will result in AI art start to look repetitive and alien? Or do you think the models will continue to steal art to keep the AI models updated? LOL sorry for my run-ons

Curious to know your thoughts on the role of social media and documenting the process publicly as a sort of “postage stamp” to prove engagement with the process over time. Essentially, will your Instagram feed (particularly video) become a vital part of “proof of work ethic”? Which, to me, brings up the conundrum of… making your work public serves it up to be scraped by AI. What a Catch-22.

Really enjoyed the video! “Return to analog” feels like it has been in the works culturally for a while now (see resurgence of vinyl records). I wonder if AI will lead to a need for an “air gapped” instructional environment where everything inside is analog/AI-free. May lead to the art version of the Chinese room experiment except we are receiving the inputs from the AI instead of the other way around :)

@Flix-f6q

Жыл бұрын

Vinyl is still tiny. The masses just moved from CDs to streaming. Also, I object. AI tools will improve and the skillset of creative humans will change, but stay digital.

In Hinduism there is a famous quote from Lord Krishna: "Thou hast the right to action, but not the fruits thereof" So basically it means that your job is the process but not the outcome. Applied to life in general it is extremely liberating because I cannot feel attached to the result. All of the beauty in being an artist is in the process - the action. If you just go for the outcome all the time without doing the work you are always going to be a failure. It's like getting a helicopter to the top of Mt Everest and then telling people you've been to the top of Mt Everest. But using AI art is worse because you are using copyrighted material. I believe that human nature requires evolution and inner progress.

It is definitely on the horizon. When a Sci-fi magazine had to suspend admissions for short stories because hundreds of submissions were being written by Ai on a daily basis, it is only a matter of time before this becomes prevalent. To be honest I think people who get accepted on their Ai "portfolio" will be sore to find out you have to actually demonstrate your art skills in classes, even digitally if relevant. The fact that they can't showcase their "skill" in-person is why prompt jockeys are fake artists.

@alesiapratt

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I was talking to my students about that today. Imagine getting in on the strength of your fake portfolio and then having nothing to show for it.

good video, but midjourney isn't created by OpenAI; that would be Dall-e 2. Stable Diffusion is also separate, made by Stability AI in the UK. I believe Midjourney is independent and doesn't collaborate with other AI research labs; making them somewhat opaque on what their AI algorithms are based off of.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification. I kinda realized that stable diffusion was another thing entirely after I hit publish. (Moving too fast). Thanks for the heads up. Cheers

I applied to cooper union for art and the application process addressed alot of the concerns presented in this video. It required me to create 6 pieces of work, any kind of medium, all based off abstract prompts given by admissions. I had a month and needed to mail it in aswell.

this is a brilliant analysis, LOVE it, confronts a lot of the questions that need to find resolutions quickly - I wonder if one option for submissions would be to return to non-digital submissions only, in other words only handmade original works can be submitted - the other way this paradigm shift can be adapted to is to operate art education/submission under the assumption that ALL digital submission are AI generated and evaluate them from that basis?

I will say I very much enjoy AI both from a programming and an art perspective while using it for certain workflows. It's become an essential part of my current workflow for prototyping and coming up with concept art for 3D modelling in particular. Being able to draw a rough draft and making the AI give me a bunch of iterations that I can then photobash my favorite results together to model off of has been enjoyable and saves me a lot of time. The world is currently very drastically changing for anybody that makes ANYTHING involving a computer, it's scary and exciting to me. Writing, art, programming, animating, music.. it's hard to believe we're in relatively early stages. I really do hope we see a revival of the physical medium like you mention. I love using these new tools for certain workflows, but nothing will ever replace that feeling of looking at and feeling a canvas.

No doubt these image generation tools will have an impact but I don't think anyone is exactly sure how. Sure it's easier to fake a visual art portfolio but that has always been easy to do. Tracing, copying, photoshopping something will get you a decetully complete looking. Day one of art school give each student a pencil and paper and ask them to draw fruit.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Hey 👋. But. By then youre in. By then its too late. You have a commitment to someone who might not be so good. And i;m not so sure with tracing etc… its so easy to get a good portfolio

@ghoulchan7525

Жыл бұрын

I think you mean that if they are invited for like a test day...

I believe you’re right: schools must adapt. With regard to admissions, I encourage school admissions people to acknowledge the current admissions decision process is inadequate, even if AI had never existed. Today, students are often required to do a massive amount of work to apply for school (regardless of discipline), with very little evidence that much of that work is even used in the evaluation of their readiness for studies. My point is this: as admissions teams prepare to adapt, they should not compare future processes to current processes as if they’re perfect. This might free them up to develop admissions processes that allow students to demonstrate their potential while allowing schools to select the students that will best fit the programs.

I don’t know what the solution is. I use both physical art media and the computer to create. There has to be a way for these AI programs to use blockchain tech to embed a watermark that cannot be printed or removed so that AI art is more easily spotted. We, as artists, need to push back HARD against AI generated art.

I think the use case of these AI tools ends at ideation. AI art plagiarism isn't really a problem because the generated work reveals provenance on some level that's traceable if data sets are open. Aside from that their are dozens of tells that a work is generated by a diffusion model that most humans can cop onto after seeing a dozen. They are extremely powerful as a pinboard tool, throw up a bunch of ideas very quickly and curate the best out of all of them. They are very bad at making usable finished works or assets though, i feel like anyone who has tinkered with them has realized this.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

"hey are very bad at making usable finished works or assets" - for now. This technology is in its infancy, mind you.

@marikothecheetah9342

Жыл бұрын

@Jason Lees I totally agree.

@October666P

Жыл бұрын

@Jason Lees Uhh, this is a super subjective take my dude. You may objectively compare AI to human art but saying that AI can create a work leagues better than a human artist is up to who's viewing the art itself based on too many personal/individualistic factors.

@huveja9799

Жыл бұрын

I guess the crisis is not so much in what AI can produce, but in the kind of people our society is producing. We should not be afraid of what AI can produce, we should be afraid of what AI can produce in the people our society is producing. If our society produces people without the basic virtues (and I use that outdated word on purpose, a "mental habit in harmony with reason and the order of nature"), which are Critical Thinking ("Prudence"), Integrity ("Justice"), Perseverance ("Fortitude") and Self-Discipline ("Temperance"), then what AI can produce in those people is disastrous, since it will enhance the deficiencies in those virtues feeding back in a negative way. So the solution doesn't happen so much, although we have to take precautions, in finding ways to prevent people from misusing AI, but in educate people so that they don't misuse AI, and that means that basic education has to produce people with those virtues. any other solution is going to be a patch that will lose effectiveness very soon (a temporal patch).

Digital art is NOT AI art!!!

Glad you covered this important topic

I don't think people in general understand how revolutionary AI will be on society as a whole. Not just art, but all will change. AI has the potential to take over everything. AI is not just a tool - its the artist, engineer, scientist, consultant, etc. I'm both horrified and excited of what lies ahead. Things are changing so fast now.

Yes, about return of the real. KZreadr memeanalysis, like freud psychoanalysis but for the internet and memes, writes about a "Cult of the Hand" in which things made by people which occupy material space will be venerated to an enormous degree over anything a computer makes. Like, God made us in his image, and we have his hands, so what comes of the hands must be a million times more divine and greater than the bot

@noname-nu6oo

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@AA-lz4wq

Жыл бұрын

You know they can attach a brush and paint to a robotic arm and let the AI do its thing, right? People won't even notice.

@sjuvanet

Жыл бұрын

@@AA-lz4wq "made by people..."

@huveja9799

Жыл бұрын

I guess the crisis is not so much in what AI can produce, but in the kind of people our society is producing. We should not be afraid of what AI can produce, we should be afraid of what AI can produce in the people our society is producing. If our society produces people without the basic virtues (and I use that outdated word on purpose, a "mental habit in harmony with reason and the order of nature"), which are Critical Thinking ("Prudence"), Integrity ("Justice"), Perseverance ("Fortitude") and Self-Discipline ("Temperance"), then what AI can produce in those people is disastrous, since it will enhance the deficiencies in those virtues feeding back in a negative way. So the solution doesn't happen so much, although we have to take precautions, in finding ways to prevent people from misusing AI, but in educate people so that they don't misuse AI, and that means that basic education has to produce people with those virtues. any other solution is going to be a patch that will lose effectiveness very soon (a temporal patch).

Elliot, sorry this is unrelated to AI, but i always wondered: Have you ever felt that ‘work ethic’ is actually an illusory phenomenon? that it’s really just a combination of other, possibly even negative, feelings or coping mechanisms? An example might be: an artist who works tirelessly only because 1. it’s simply an emotional safety-net/habit 2. They’re constantly avoiding something psychologically by choosing to work instead, or 3. Because it simply feels good in a compulsory/stimulating way! And then the spectator, or perhaps even the artist themselves, looks at the artist and says “good work ethic!” I imagine you’ll say something like ‘we all go through all sorts of troubling things all the time anyway, and the creation of art is so societally vital and so personally healthy that it could never be considered a questionable activity, or a questionable reaction to life’s events’. But i suppose I don’t have a problem with the glorification of the artist who works all the time so much as i have a problem with simply calling it a “good work ethic” and moving on. Do you have personal experience with this realm of thought or have you simply always been ‘a worker’? P.S. I’ll briefly add that there are many artists I look up to who seem, on closer inspection, to be generally toxic, and even destructive to themselves, and the people around them. I feel I’ve naturally become less productive as I’ve matured and strengthened my relationships

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

These are all interesting points. I personally work A LOT primarily becuse of the dopamine hit I get from the work itself. It’s amazing to take pleasure in the simple act of making. Then there is the component of attempting to achieve “something” (Magi’s) the pursuit of excellence. And third… there’s the money thing. Being paid for work (youre not supposed to talk about this) is really rewarding. It just is. I dont work as a form of self discipline or as a form of Protestant guilt or self torture. I personally work because of the massive amount of pleasure I derive from it. I get many of your points, and I think that in a lot of instances the dynamic that you speak of is very real… sadly

@asafoetidajones8181

Жыл бұрын

Certainly many people use art for catharsis, and when they're healthy, are naturally less productive. I'm putting effort into my marriage and parenting, and don't much to say musically. Usually I produced music when I was miserable or in a transitional state. At first I kind of mourned not recording anymore, but I've learned to live with the idea that it's not vital for me right now.

AI isn't taking away anyone's creativity or talent, only some people's ability to make a living at it. Which is terrible, jobs will disappear, people are going lose their homes, and there are going to be far less opportunities in the future. I would never flippantly tell people in his situation to just go learn to code. And not because coders are now facing the same sad reality, I wouldn't because it's a cruel and indecent thing to say to someone facing hard times and an uncertain future. But that is exactly what was told to a lot of the people I know not too long ago by many people in the creative community. I'm sure all of you have a sense of compassion, some just lack the talent to express it.

As an artist since I was born. I believe art school where I attended at Western University is really to introduce artists to new methods and techniques they might of not considered. I think any artist from High School would be questioned if they showed AI rendered art. The college would literally ask the student to prove they created the AI work by their own abilities. A fake artist using AI would quickly be exposed as computer systems also become capable of tracing the images ai had used to construct fake art. I think the only real problem is that artist will face persecution like I have. Where places like Adams County Colorado told me I have no Art Experience as an artist and I've spent over 50 years doing art. I have many awards and achievements and A grades on my art works. I have many art teachers who would vouch for my accomplishments in the arts. Still the partisan hate agendas continue to restrict and suppress artists where I live. Now using AI simply allows progressive agendas to disqualify organic artists for AI replacement hacks. Based on who can afford the price of AI programs and software.

There is no issue - want to weed out - do live examinations - when I applied to design school over a period of 3 days I had examinations. End of story end of being scared of AI I am as a design faculty annoyed by all this AI paranoia Oh yeah and this evening I will make another video for my students how to use AI for certain tasks in our design process … I am actually very excited about this new technology because it cuts down labor intensive tasks allows me to focus more on the creative part. Photography replaced portrait painting - 3d rendering replaced marker renderings - AI is going to replace photoshop etc The constant is however that there is always a human who needs to know what to do and how to use the tool. AI is here to stay - get used to it - implement it - or get out

In my University (Art Academy of Latvia) there are enrollment exams. They are a week long and applicants have to: make a composition task, paint a still life and draw a nude.

There's an easy solution to this problem: Interviews. Preferably in-person. Pick an image from their submitted portfolio, and ask them why it's good. If they can defend the piece in depth without the use of chatGPT, it means they have the understanding to back up their creative process. And if they do, it doesn't really matter if their piece was made using AI or not. The difference between a good photographer and a bad one is not their gear, but their understanding of what makes a good photo. It's the same with art. In the end, it's all about communication and culture, not technical skill or even mastery of compositional concepts. It's about conveying an idea, emotion, concept etc. Everything else is just a set of useful tools to reach that end. I think the whole AI-revolution is doing the artworld and creative fields in general some good. It makes us realize what art and culture is all about. It's not about peacocking over who can make the prettiest, most polished piece. It's about communication between people, our cultural identities, sharing of ideas... that's how I see it anyways.

This vlog understates the rapidity with which imagery can be produced by AI. If a self-hosted installation is used, then hundreds of images an hour can be generated from a single text prompt, image input, pose description and/or style description file. Furthermore, each generated image can be trivially modified with inpainting and outpainting to correct visual, color, compositional or anatomical aberrations to refine an output. The skill of generating a desired image is therefore a selective process (choosing one and ignoring the others) rather than an entirely additive process. My choice of words there is an attempt to compare image generation to manufacturing processes: additive vs subtractive machining. A generated image, once selected, can often still benefit from finishing touches that require the skills of Pre-AI image composition such as over painting. In this new paradigm, the most skillful technicians produce the most intentional results even if the quality is no better than that of any other AI generated image.

One of the best techs on the implications, hands down. Sober and rational

I am kinda creative in my job and wished I had more time to draw. Artists have my greatest respect and I love buying and enjoing art. A real human artist will never be replaced by AI - as AI fails in personality, creating individual custom characters, not just generic wallpaper or fantasy tabletop art. However, if one is an artist and all he can do is generic... well yes AI will replace you.

@Mente_Fugaz

Жыл бұрын

I would add that AI it's reaching it's limit right now, and it only needs to keep evolving on replicate perfect photographies, So, with the time AI art will get boring in no time, because everyone is using it, everyone knows what kind of stuff can make, there's nothing to apreciate anymore, no talent, no vision, nothing... So people will slowly start to aprecciate human art, because art is a form of communication, and is funny to use chat gpt to emulate a conversation, but you will wanna talk with another human sooner or later.

I see it all the time in school and at the work place. one still needs to be able to pull their weight at work after getting their foot in the door.

An interesting and fairly well reasoned bit of analysis.

What this will do will kill off creative individuals who will need to take time to perfect their art style. Anyone could just input their works before they became known and start generating similar styled art.

to get into my school we took an art exam along with an in person portfolio. the test had us do several different types of figure drawings and compositional sketches.

I'm working with pencil, paper on sketching and then working the idea on wacom, phoshoshop with brush stroke. My foundation build on non-stop learning anatomy of human and animal. The emotional of brush could not be learnt. If you don't have it, don't work on it, you will never be able to do and have it in any way. We are mortal, those we do in the moment are unique.

I've been watching quite a few art type channels; mostly, I could take them or leave them. This is the first video of yours I've watched; just exceptional! Re AI: it's here, it's not going anywhere, evolve.

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Check out some of my other videos. Let me know.

I absolutely agree with your concerns and the sheer dilution of work ethic for the next generation is a problem. It’s a quick fix throwaway society we live in today and the big powerhouse companies don’t care how creativity is crafted; they just want results fast. I’ve been in Design for nearly 30years and from my observation- the next generation struggle with the basic fundamental techniques and their minds are elsewhere. As with all industries- if you can’t make it, fake it… it seems. Ai is here to stay and a lot of Art school funds are going to be put under extreme pressure to adapt to this new world changing technology software.

When I was a kid and saw a beautiful object or toy, I would ask my mom, is that hand made or made by a machine in a factory? For some reason, knowing a person made something with their hands made it magical. When something is done by a machine it is perfect, but lacks personality. Now that I'm an artist myself, I think the magic is that a person will always make mistakes and has to learn how to hide them or make them part of the art, which make it look organic and surprising. Machines make great looking stuff, but when they make mistakes it looks out of place and weird.

I had to show a physical portfolio to get into my BFA program and physical work to graduate. I would imagine of all majors in college, art would be the hardest to fake your way out of.

Never thought I’d see Ultron take over the furry commissions in my lifetime

I think this video is overlooking the elephant in the room… Most art schools are going to go out of business because art schools at least operate on the illusion that they are preparing students for real-world careers, but when most of those careers are taken over by AI, the illusion will quickly shatter!

@StudioPractice1

Жыл бұрын

I agree that a number of art schools will (in the next few years go out of business. And I agree in part about the source of the problem. I would modify it. The cost of higher education relative to other goods is at its highest point in history. The value equation is upside down. Most art school was never really about preparation for some “job market.” But when 2 years in grad school is the same price as a middle class house. There is an insurmountable problem.

That gave me some insights. Thanks

This is not just an ART problem it's going to impact EVERY single aspect of your life, we are in the infancy of this and people are already losing their minds, what do you think happens when this advances and the reality is IT will NEVER stop advancing, that is what should terrify people. Our capacity to learn has a ceiling AI has no such barrier. I do not think humanity is going to be able to adjust to this paradigm shift, it's going to drive us insane trying to keep up with it.

It's tough, I feel the same in the world of music as that is where I reside in all of this. And you're right, we will probably see more condensed forms of realism. Sculptures, performances, immersive art, live performances etc... But it will be a continuous battle. VR and or AR paired with AI, advanced enough, may bring is to a point indistinguishable from reality. Which leaves the reason for art to be more focused on self expression and exploration. But this doesn't help with identifying artists for art schools. Maybe the selection process needs to be more vigilant? A portfolio to be step by step photos of progress? Or more focus on long exams where pupils artistic abilities are seen in a controlled setting? I'm sure there are answers to this.

My art school allowed a sketchbook to be one of the pieces in your portfolio. Also for the high school classes they offered at my college which I also attended...we sat in a proctored test, we had to create a still life and another piece ofwhatever we wanted while someone watched us.They supplied a lot of different materials to use but not all things were really covered.(this was also ten years ago so AI was not a thing.) I noticed my friends who included sketchbooks in their college admissions portfolios to the school I went to and some other bigger name schools got more scholarship money. I think also in the future the professional or teacher references to the students work ethic and ability are going to become a lot more important as well.