I'm honestly shocked how people think her 'art' is even museum worthy, imagine their shock seeing actual good art aka the art she traced over like... bruh its so sloppily made even my little sister drew better art than her

@airplanes_aren.t_real

3 жыл бұрын

You know your museum sucks when someone on Instagram can make something better than your entire gallery combined

@mochiboni2560

3 жыл бұрын

@@airplanes_aren.t_real I know, I gotta say this tho, I've seen art done by 14 year olds on insta and devianart in my lifetime that is MILES better than art she copies and hey she copies? Like at least make an effort the anatomy is so off and the paint i can tell just goes over lines and she can hardly even try fixing them What infuriates me more is how her 'art' gets her a lot of money when I've gotten art trades better than anything she makes by more talented and incredible artists sigh, there is no justice in this world

@kalmeio_17

3 жыл бұрын

I’m just as surprised as you are because the paint strokes look so messy, it might as well been slapped together in under 10 minutes. It’s kinda weird how certain things are considered “real art”, but it feels like there isn’t effort put into it. Yet again, stuff like this is really touchy subject and there’s so many factors to consider.

@mochiboni2560

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalmeio_17 Yeah but thanks to these being stolen art even if it is good it's still undeserving of any praise.. not that I can think of any, the colors used aren't thought well, the characters look so unnatural and the paint over the line without or looks good really ruins it all You are very correct on the lack of effort, even if it aint stolen, geez not even the politics or 'deep' message helps make it 'expensive'

@dellll

3 жыл бұрын

Believe me, people don't think this is good (and lots have made fun of it) The public museum here is a shit on things like this

Even if they didn’t know it was traced, her work looks so sloppy, like a second grader painted it

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

so easily noticeable to be honest

@TrizollinTehWorld

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm surprised how low the bar is for those museums. All of her work looks poor quality, especially the lines.

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

what happens is that.... art elitist individuals like her curator and the art historian that defended her... are "contemporary artists", have very outdated concepts and then pretend to claim copyright outdated, that nothing has been created nor has an owner, and then they proceeded to use examples of reinterpretative/pop art.... which, anyone with two seconds more on wikipedia knows the specific artists they used actually credited the original sources or went to curt and lost or payed for the rights but they as prestigious art connoisseurs consider that we all are macho ignorants

@vixiestarfire

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s no way they can deny they traced to some degree. I can’t believe they “didn’t know” because tracing is something that’s very deliberate no matter what way you think of it

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

The colours is so SOLID just...

the worst part is that this woman is sayin "I´m only using references you only attacking me because I´m a woman"

@ZurditaDinamita

3 жыл бұрын

JAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJ

@crystalwings4520

2 жыл бұрын

If I had a chance to talk with her, Imma say like: 'I am a woman, too, so shut the fuck up, you have been caught in 4K.'

@moved4462

2 жыл бұрын

@@crystalwings4520 correction: caught in 8k, 60 fps or higher

@charliewelch4301

2 жыл бұрын

Bringing in gender or race in any argument is another way to say "I'm losing this battle here's my bullshit Ace card that'll get me out of the mess"

@fate005

2 жыл бұрын

She is such a disgrace saying "you're attacking me just bc I'm a woman" dude just shut dafuq up we woman are already being discriminated for being a woman so we all can't work but this discrimination is going to fade little by little but now it might go back again bc you're saying that 😑 (srry for my bad explanations 😅)

The fact that she's crying "SEXISM!" when people point out she's stealing art is absolutely ridiculous.

@renookami4651

2 жыл бұрын

Can't expect anything else from that kind of pseudo-feminists...

@qoooooooq

2 жыл бұрын

Right? I'm a female artist AND a feminist. This shit have nothing to do with sexism. Libfems got the craziest arguments when they are caught doing some shit

@juliane5632

2 жыл бұрын

@@renookami4651 even though im a feminist myself base on experience, women like them arent full time femnist heck doesnt even know the different branches of feminism and cant even distinguish the difference, women like them uses femnism as excuses and empowerment when literally the main job of feminism isnt a women's right but a gender equality of every gender, such as Female, Male, Intersex, Trans, Non-Conforming, Personal, and Eunuch. I am devastated at women like them destroying a practical wrong image of feminism

@obiwankenobi2083

2 жыл бұрын

this video is stupid like the youtuber. The only crime here, is that she sell shit in high value, instead many other better artist sell their art (if they are lucky) for a piece of bread. But stealing?? That is not stealing and in Art is fking normal to do so. Or now we have to denounce every director/cinematographer, who replicate a painting in his movies? Or denounce every fking artist (like Mohammed as well) who take a photo/painting/picture from a reference? How many artists wrote the artist of the photo in their references? Or denounce Mohammed for ripping DC/Marvel Art Style instead of creating his own? Or denounce famous painters who replicate other painitings? Like Andy Warhol Painting of Marlyn Monroe or Campells Soup Canes? Did he pay the artist who made the photo or the design of the canes?....I do not thinks so... So this video is utterly shit and stupid...so stupid that is just a witchhunt from a stupid egocentric preacher to their stupid sheeps...telling them he is doing right and other bad... The video would be intelligent if he talked why such bad paintings are getting sell thousand of money, where other much better art are sell for 5$...this is an interesting subject to talk about.. The women did not steal...stealing is if I take someone else property, in this case Art, and selling it. But if I do a replica with my style...then is not stealing...is fking normal and every Artist (even the best) are doing it.

@anthonyrhodes5667

2 жыл бұрын

@@obiwankenobi2083 Do you actually seriously believe everything you just said or are you just really good at pretending to not know what plagiarism means?

most artist: 20 dollars for an original character sketch naw thats to much. This women, 3k for a ripped off bad painting yes please.

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

sigh!

@aliciasam5239

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately true

@joined_shores_art

3 жыл бұрын

I charge ~30 bucks for a full body png and even offer to help with the design when people don't have a full body reference AND THIS WOMAN JUST- I am 200000000000000% mad

@lostzion

3 жыл бұрын

@@joined_shores_art I feel you I just tried to do a 20 ych sale, and then a 20 bust sketch sale for ocs got no bites. Just people asking for free art. So im right there with ya. keep at it though its all we can do

@joined_shores_art

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostzion that's true! Thanks for the motivation boost, imma pull the no u card also! 👁️

Her art looks like something I made when I was 13. And why is it always Japanese artists who get their art stolen constantly?

@nyandra290

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they think there's less chance of the original artist finding they're copying their work since it's very different languages

@kamyoyurika141

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyandra290 that so sad

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

Probably since their style are very pretty and aesthetically pleasing...idk...

@revolvingworld2676

3 жыл бұрын

@@yuki97kira I think thats one reason, but I also think Nyandra has more of a point. The english soeaking art community is pretty much well connected, if you steal something someone will find out. The japanese side of twitter is fairly seperate from the western art community, so they think they have a chance that no one will notice.

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

@@revolvingworld2676 its weird for them to steal those who are well known and obviously with a lot of following...nit saying youre wrong..but like they should feel slightly scared of being caught with that many followers (of the original artist)

Hi. Im One of those artists on twitter with better looking art that never sold anything... stuff like this really makes me wanna go on a villain arc

@joined_shores_art

3 жыл бұрын

Feeling this rn

@iwanttodie2129

3 жыл бұрын

makes you really wanna wish that Death Note was real, right? lmao

@jichollayviet

3 жыл бұрын

Same...

@CapucineNighly

3 жыл бұрын

I know how ya feel.... I too also wanna go on a villain arc. Lol

@Shiranova

3 жыл бұрын

Same, the past year I've been losing followers every time I upload art on Twitter and my art is definitely better than hers + not stolen. People say one should not care about exposure but it's really disheartening when you're not getting anything back for your work.

As an Argentinian, I feel so ashamed, not only of Fatima, of the museum too. It's a public museum, they don't actually give a fuck about art while it relates to their ideology.

@ramirosotto

3 жыл бұрын

Es fascismo y siempre lo fue

@geniusfa7717

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramirosotto ¿Qué? Los K son de todo menos Fascistas...y el fascismo al menos tenía ideas originales en cuanto al arte.

@r.daneel.90

3 жыл бұрын

@@geniusfa7717 capo, se cumple casi por completo la definición de fascismo. Me estás cargando? o sos kirchnerista?

@geniusfa7717

3 жыл бұрын

@@r.daneel.90 jajaja QUÉ? el kirchnerismo no cumple ni con la versión de Gentile del Fascismo. Proba nombrar los puntos y compará con su gobierno.

@latinoamericancharcoal2076

3 жыл бұрын

They don't care that the art it's stolen, they care that it's feminist art.

This is kind of why we need more affordable lawyers because profitting off of other's work isn't legal, but it is hard to do anything about it due to most artists stolen from can't afford to fight it

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

well that's true actually. but still, is the justice system reliable enough to actually stand for artists rights? hmmmmm

@lakamokolaka

3 жыл бұрын

@@MohammedAgbadi Well copyright law exists in most countries so I would say yes and no depending where it is

@inkdew5620

3 жыл бұрын

@@MohammedAgbadi she'd surely even buy the lawyer off

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly in Argentina you can't expect justice to do as much, Fatima Pecci Carou is an employee of the Minister of Health and she is very well involved with politics as she is a militant of the peronist party, the current government. So you can say corruption is involved. You can't expect here to put a criminal behind the bars, no matter if they killed and commited several heavy crimes. Laws and Judges here are a disaster, we can't expect justice for victims of abuse, homicide, hate crimes, theft and... yeah with arts, specially the digital ones, they wouldn't care less.

@catinacafe7105

3 жыл бұрын

@@MohammedAgbadi it gets a little complicated when the people in question live in different countries it makes harder to take them to court sadly

As an Argentinian, I'm not surprised at all, shit like this happens every two seconds over here. It's also not the first time that an artist that was given a huge platform is called out for tracing or stealing. It's incredibly sad because this country is filled with real, talented artists who have their opportunity constantly taken away by people who aren't even that great and probably got to where they are with the power of money.

@cuervorenard

3 жыл бұрын

En este caso da pena ser artista y Argentino a la vez. La política y el arte no deberían juntarse

@deabielamon

3 жыл бұрын

Imagina ser un artista y ver que una copia mal hecha de tu trabajo aparece en un museo bajo unos ideales políticos extremistas, no podría ser más terrible.

@geniusfa7717

3 жыл бұрын

This has been Argie Art since the Kirchner government decided to bribe all ideologically aligned """artists""" with spaces on museums, TV or just funding them for life. K art is all like this, crappy made, partisan subjects, or just theft. I went to Tecnópolis in 2012 and the art area was like that, including some bizarre Cristina and Nestor paintings. The average Kirchner supporter is to close minded to even comprehend that people outside their circles use the internet an will detect theft, because all of their comrades barely know how to open a browser.

@r.daneel.90

3 жыл бұрын

" the power of money" Allow me to correct this: The power of PERONISMO.

@aritrachoudhuri6716

3 жыл бұрын

@@r.daneel.90 what's peronisno

"Even Stevie Wonder would agree with this" 😂😂

@justsomerandomperson7349

3 жыл бұрын

Hii Thumin!! I hope you’re doing alright :> ♡︎

@Thumin

3 жыл бұрын

@@justsomerandomperson7349 Hii! Thank you, i hope ur doing good too 🤗💞

@KittyKatt_Luna80s

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed with this, Thumin. That was hilarious!

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

Hi queen!!!

@cuboidgamez7577

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Thumin! Your videos are amazing! How are you? Hope you're good. Keep fighting those disgusting racists like the brave queen you are

My question is, why is this crap even being put in a museum anyway? When I think of a museum, I don't picture sloppily made paintings of uwu anime girls hanging on its walls.

@cheddarchemist5644

3 жыл бұрын

Ugh yeah. I'm fine with anime art but it doesn't belong in a museum.

@kawayananazioly

3 жыл бұрын

😂 "-uwu anime girls-"

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

political agenda, the Museum is called Evita, because of the political icon of the peronist party... so yeah, Carou is an active supporter, she also works for the minister of health, she is friends with some very important people like her curator, Eva Grinstein... so yeah... privileged government employee taking advantage of a movement such as feminism to get votes but with a "anime otaku" vibe to attract the youth, since you now can vote for a president while being 16 years old so yeah, anyone with two eyes can tell this was for a political agenda

@whynot6266

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheddarchemist5644 I agree.

@janineadrianareguengagomez3708

3 жыл бұрын

2 reasons, political agenda and money laundering

*draws white line on red background* "alright this painting is selling for the cheap price of $700,000"

@Pinkninja0708

3 жыл бұрын

Ain’t that the truth

@Rekter

3 жыл бұрын

This comment reminds me of how someone literally bought a banana duct taped to a canvas for 120,000 dollars before (I’m not joking btw).

@yothishitbussin2468

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rekter tf

@luroua2561

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rekter I think i heard of that before

@Rekter

3 жыл бұрын

@@luroua2561 Yeah, it was a news story actually (I looked it up earlier and apparently someone ate the banana from the art lol).

I should be mad, but I’m just laughing on how bad the traced art with additional background

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

lmaooo!!!

@alvinreinaldy5148

2 жыл бұрын

it's the simple implication that no matter if she got money from it, she lacks even the talent to make the fraud BARELY decent

@Luluwahkey

2 жыл бұрын

She's making money out of it still

@alvinreinaldy5148

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luluwahkey i'd call the one who buys the paintings morons with a lot of money to launder

@kuma8030

2 жыл бұрын

@@alvinreinaldy5148 actually thats 99% of the fine arts industry xDD

'She studied Art History at UBA' Me: that doesn't sound right

@aliciasam5239

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

As far as some ex-classmates of her mentioned, she was like that back when they were studying, she had the habit of copying other's projects and homework. Some that are not from UBA, claimed that she left some art courses, other institutes because she didn't let teachers do their job, correcting and guide her, she called them macho men or alienated women (basically, she was calling everyone trying to correct her sexist, retrograde, etc)

@corruptedteka

3 жыл бұрын

@@RedLenai That's just... wow...

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

Even a reputable beginner artist such as myself wont commit the 7 deadliest sins of art!

@ndc944

3 жыл бұрын

@@RedLenai you are doing the good work , thanks for the information.

I feel ashamed of being Argentine, for people like that, she stole art and modified it to sell it as a political question and a question of '' 'feminism' ' edit: she said that the people who accused her were racists, machist and etc, literally the worst excuse

@VixxKong2

3 жыл бұрын

It's always the same people doing the same thing, saying the same political arguments and playing the victim when they get caught.

@ender5892

3 жыл бұрын

@@VixxKong2 it's not always the same. Butch Hartman is quite the opposite and is even christian...

@VixxKong2

3 жыл бұрын

@@ender5892 Faking virtue again. It's the same people.

@someflipnotes87

3 жыл бұрын

@@VixxKong2 its... its not? What do you mean?

@VixxKong2

3 жыл бұрын

@@someflipnotes87 It's the "I have the higher ground on morality" type of people. Whatever their cause is, whether it's being religious or advocating for social justice. It's the same arrogant people with no talent that are only here because they have the right connections, and that you can't criticize because they keep talking about how morally good they are, and anyone against them is an evil bigot.

I don't get it. Did she not think people would realize she stole it? It was just a matter of time.

@benjaman6502

3 жыл бұрын

Well, to be true, a youtuber from argentina(the one who disovered all this) said that a subscriber told him that one of her less famous paintings were traced and they looked and found that a lot of them also were, but if thay hadn't figured it out, this frace would probably still be going

@492lautaro

3 жыл бұрын

Well, its not that she doesnt care, she probably sees it as easy money, here in argentina prosecuting this kind of crimes is highly unlikely and getting some kind of punishment even more unlikely The country we live in is highly characterized with corrupt museums like this one, because the art aligns with their interests( showing a political ideology through a figure like evita). In conclusion she probably did it bc: 1.easy money 2. No consequences 3. She can deny it with no consequences 4. Further propel her career Sorry if my english isnt good, second language :P

@melinamoreyra7434

3 жыл бұрын

Well, Despite being in a national museum, she was not really a very well-known artist. In this country, success is invented.

@g.b.e902

3 жыл бұрын

Many argentinian artists traced, got exposed, yet they still make money out of it. Especially when it comes to ideologies. People just really doesn't care.

@yoshisarethebomb

2 жыл бұрын

Especially how they always look messy and out of place

"Can I copy your homework?" "Yeah, but make sure to change it a bit so it's not obvious." The homework:

@shreddedcardigan3972

3 жыл бұрын

And the person who copied the homework managed to get a scholarship

@endoverendy

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

She made it way way worse

@g.b.e902

3 жыл бұрын

Hope she got an F

To shine some light on the issue, the reason her art it's on a museum is purely political. Here in Argentina, there is a strong political current that is called Peronismo. It's very much a populist movement. There was abmuseum open in the last 10 years by governments of that movement, and since some of her works depict Eva Perón (a very important historical person of that political party) it's no mystery why her very sub par work got a space in those museums. It's purely political. Edit: thanks for the correction. Evita was not president, Maria Isabel Perón was.

@GiulianaBruna

3 жыл бұрын

....... She wasn't president? She was first Lady. Women couldn't even vote back then.

@RoyKhn

3 жыл бұрын

@@GiulianaBruna true. My bad for rushing the comment. I got mixed up with Isabel Perón.

@P4r4k

2 жыл бұрын

Most certain to be a money-laundering scheme by politics as well. The hole is deeper than just tracing.

@obiwankenobi2083

2 жыл бұрын

This comment was more interesting and intelligent that of the 15min video of the preacher up there. Sadly nobody would talk about this problems, because most of the artist are this problem. Instead the video is a stupid witchhunt from a stupid preacher, which IDK why I get recommended. Sadly the woman did not steal the "art", but made a very, but very, but very very bad replica of them, wich in Art is possible (examples are plenty looks comics or movies). The problem is not Argentina, but worldwide. The Art is not sell, because of quality, but of networking. The so called artbrooker ( I dont remember right) are people, who go in gallery and museums, to buy so many painting by one artist, so next time the artist sell his painting in 10times higher the price before, because people thinks :"Oh His/Her Art is sell, thats mean his art is good and nice, so I am going to buy it as well." So you look in the world for the most famous artist in the world...and then realize with total shock the shit they do...and you are questioning...who the fuk would buy such shit? Like who the fuk buy the shit that this argentinian did? I mean yo have to be sick to put in a wall...but heck now the dude can say that the art piece is 700.000$ and everyone will look differently and says "oooH...now I see how beautiful it is..."

@cake6377

2 жыл бұрын

I'd assume from ur comment you really don't care about art that much and is just randomly recommended here :/ At least to me what I draw has great value to myself, it's an extension of me after all. I made effort to use references and tried different styles to see what suits me the most, even if it's not anime/realism. Art tracing for me (I'm not famous enough to be traced so lucky ig?) is like all your hard work Ctrl+C-ed and pasted some random nowhere and ppl shower praise for a theft while real you feels worthless ;_; So did he not touch the bigger problem? True, he probably doesn't know it even. Does that make him ignorant? Yes in the grand scheme of things. Is he justified to feel angry and do witch hunt? Yes for me. Dumb doesn't mean you aren't allowed to feel pissed when you see hard work being stolen ;_;

As someone already said I can’t believe anyone would pay 4K for her “pieces”. They aren’t even intentionally stylized that way, she just can’t paint. I wouldn’t dare say that about anyone else’s art but given that she literally copied an entire other work it should at least be somewhat quality. Also just pisses me off in general these artists she steals from probably don’t even make a lot from their own pieces.

Just wanted to clarify something, no, the museum never paid for those paintings. The idea was to exhibit the paintings for some time, and then return them to her, but at no point she got paid for it. Now, please, under no circumstances believe I’m trying to defend this woman, she’s a horrible person and as any art theft, this is a complete lack of respect for the original work and artists. The mere fact that her art was displayed in an actual museum is disgusting enough, and even worse far from admitting her fault she’s now doubling down, using feminism as a shield and claiming that this backlash is some kind of misogynistic pursuit against her. Completely disgusting behaviour, hate to share nationality with someone like her, but the whole “She’s earning thousands of dollars out of this” is, thank the art gods, just misinformation. Still, not an excuse, just something to be a little bit relieved about.

@Countdownsmiles

3 жыл бұрын

But then I'm curious why the users who messaged Mohammed claimed she was paid, and Mohammed himself stated a specific dollar ammount. Are they just lying then?

@Countdownsmiles

3 жыл бұрын

@@perrodnieve seems legit. I was just curious why the number 4,500 came up specifically

@perrodnieve

3 жыл бұрын

@@Countdownsmiles Yeah, it is a very specific sum lol, that’s what got me curious too, but I just can’t find any sources that corroborate it.

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

She didn't get money for the exhibition, because she couldn't win it that's why Eva Grinstein had to sign on her behalf, it is pretty curious how now she "isn't the winner of the scholarship" compared to the articles and interviews she had prior to the accusation video and now NP is now "no no no, she didn't earn anything, not even for producing the 11 paintings" when... as she... as a member of Nosotras Proponemos, they have a tariff and charge the museum or the representative for materials, flete, time the works are exhibed, quantity of works and more. As well, we also have to keep in consideration all the royalties she received from the Merch the museum made from Evita Ninja, and outside from the Museum, what she earned with her group made, the fanzine, stickers, that were even on MercadoPago, the art courses, talks, all the promotion she received as well. And for the simple fact that her sold paintings in Artsy were around $2000 to $4000, yeah, she was making thousands (miles, no millones) So when you sum that yeah she ain't making a million dollars but more than $1000 USD surely. But yeah, the specific number of $4500 seems a bit too much, but I won't deny that in artsy there were some works, thankfully or well I don't know, were the pictures of Eva that were inspired from the photos taken of her with the sailor moon hairstyle and such)

@perrodnieve

3 жыл бұрын

@@RedLenai That I can't deny, it does makes a lot of sense. At this point one can only hope that she gets what's coming to her

Thank goodness she’s never heard of Artstation. My entire portfolio is there Also, her art is crap. I try no to say that on other peoples artwork, but this time I’ll make an exception. I spent 20 years perfecting my art, since I was 10. This infuriates me on so many levels

@Grim_Sister

3 жыл бұрын

@star \\ Oh, I hope she is. I have a few choice words for her. None are very nice

@pixelvader2451

3 жыл бұрын

@star \\ She could not understand the comment because it is in English. She is a Peronist, aka brute and ignorant.

@joined_shores_art

3 жыл бұрын

I hate roasting other people's work too, but in this situation it is so difficult to keep calm

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

Let me roast her even more: When I was looking for the works that trully looked plagiarized, I did only two things: 1. Reverse Google/Yahoo search 2. Open pinterest and put something as dumb in spanish like "chica anime ninja" 32 plagiarized works found, obviously not all of them were found like this but yeah, 32 works from which I think from the 11 that appeared on the first video that addressed the issue, I think around another 10 were the ones I've found with the previous methods I mentioned, like.... gosh woman, you did not only fail at tracing, you also failed into making it original enough

@wyv_3rn

3 жыл бұрын

it looks like it was both drawn and colored in with cheap oil crayons you’d use in elementary school art class. I mean, I’ve seen messy art styles but this is just messy. No flair, not even a hint of likeability, it just… looks weird lol

In several of his paintings she replaces characters with the wife of a dictator (after whom the museum is named), she does not criticize the problems of society. Praise those who cause them. As the dictator said "to the enemy, no justice" or "it's not that we are the best, but that everyone else is bad"

@RoyKhn

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Peronia

@RockandrollNegro

Жыл бұрын

"Fascist far-left dictators are cool as long as they support feminism bro"

Imagine stealing and tracing the art of other artists and then downplaying the rightful criticism received by saying that everyone’s only going after you because you’re a feminist. *Bruh.* I’m legitimately surprised that she even got that far with that quality of art. So often, when someone traces it’s exceptionally easy to tell because their original work doesn’t hold up to the (generally more skilled) work that they traced from. It creates a really obvious disconnect between elements in the piece. I’ve seen it happen with “tattoo artists” who trace comic book characters, attempt to scribble it in with some colours, and then that obvious lack of understanding how to colour makes it sort of apparent that they probably didn’t have the skills to draw the piece in the first place. Her work gives me that exact same vibe and I’m shocked that no one at the Museum *purchasing* these pieces ever gave it a second thought.

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, it's Ponder Sprocket! Nice to see you here :>

Idk how these paintings were in a museum or sold for more than 20 bucks, they look like mediocre anime fan art made by a kid. Can the original artists sue her?

@tomasmileguir5659

3 жыл бұрын

Look up Tipito Enojado’s video on this matter. It clarifies her art was supported just because of her political views...

I'll be honest, half the reason I watch these vids is the accent. Its like a drug.

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

thankyou!

@hasna2012

3 жыл бұрын

I think his accent is cute too

@aliciasam5239

3 жыл бұрын

@@hasna2012 yes his voice is so relaxing

@hasna2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@aliciasam5239 fr

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

That accent is *chefs kiss*

I'll say it, for someone who is basically just tracing and recoloring, she has such a low quality art style, like I see elementary kids who draw better than this. The fact that she is successful despite her low quality art says so much about the people who buy her work.

@laos85

2 жыл бұрын

People just have no ideas

Thank you for making the video! Sadly, most of argentinian digital artists are still in shock with these news, and in my case I'm the acquaintance of one of Fatima's victims, Batusawa. I've been translating Carou's defense, what the press, the curator and the art historian that defended Fatima said. Not only to mention that Fatima is in fact an employee in the minister of Health and the solely reason she won that scholarship is because Eva Grinstein, the curator, signed on her behalf and claimed the prize herself, because Fatima, as an employee of the State and an artist that was not struggling financially with the quarantine couldn't claim the prize as it was originally stated in the rules of the Exhibition. Suspiciously, her agrupation Nosotras Proponemos, claimed that Fatima didn't earn anything neither made money out of the exhibition (Despite as Fatima being a member, there is a tariff that the artists from said group respect, and they charge for materials, freight, time of the work being exhibed and more), which according to a video before the accusations, she claimed that "A girl from the Museum saw one of my paintings (A drawing plagiarized from SoundlessWind) and told me to work on an exhibition with her" so, this girl which is in fact Eva Grinstein, was not only making her work ad honorem in the beginning (if we keep in mind Fatima didn't make any money) and that they did an research work together for their exhibition... which leads me to believe the curator was present during Fatima's "creative process" and I believe she in fact... was pretty aware about how the artists was taking her """references"" and yet, allowed her to participate, accepted the prize on her behalf and now is defending her... Now, I can confirm that there are 32 plagiarized works so far that are archived in a Google Document that was circulating online and was used for spanish and english youtubers so far (which I made after the original twitter thread showing the evidence was deleted due to mass reports to the account that made it, HoannSetrid) And in Batusawa's perspective, she not only has a barrer language to which she can't communicate well with anyone from Argentina, but at the same time she just believes she can't take legal actions because of how strong Fatima's position and relationships with the Museum, political party and the government is. It is sad that a well known curator as Eva Grinstein, the art historian, Andrea Guinta, the art critique Fernado Castro Flórez and the Minister of Culture are defending her just for the sake to protect the political agenda they have and she only validates herself because of Grinstein's now, not so trusted, prestige. The Feminist movement by other hand is divided, there are people who are defending Carou but these seem to be few to none and whenever they jump to argue with artists, digital illustrators and more, their arguments are limited, and the only thing they repeat is the very same thing Guinta and Carou said during their defense in the articles of LaNacion+ and Página12.

@joined_shores_art

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for providing this info. This is crazy...

@RedLenai

3 жыл бұрын

@@joined_shores_art Your welcome, as a digital artist from Argentina, the case not only frustrates me as an artist that since I was 12 I've never received support of the government, nor the intendence and the only way I came to live of what I enjoy is because I had to put extra effort into it, financially, educational and emotional level. The original user who was making the list of plagiarized works, HoannSetrid, had their account eliminated by Fatima's supporters, so that's why I've decided to make the Google Document and took the trouble of finding more images with the help of other users and friends. Because that way, everyone can see how hyperly dependent this woman is and how she only is proving people she has a title for decoration, and doesn't apply anything regarding art, because if she really stands out that what she did is "reinterpretative art" then she didn't had to delete anything from her website, like any plagiarist does everytime they get caught and is not even that she had a comment section there. Here is the list with the 32 plagiarized works, it's incredible what the peronist party would do for the sake of attracting younger people (because you can vote in this country at the age of 16) by combining an important movement such as feminism and their hobbies that is anime... The libertarian party also failed back when a politician went to an anime convention in cosplay, and once inside tried to promote their party with pamphlets and a stand docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1HOHPqUK36d6720oMvYX0gqsVepIy1KRubopTLJtalEE/edit?usp=sharing

I feel like any high school art student could submit work to this museum and label it political and immediately have a gallery wall.

@VixxKong2

3 жыл бұрын

And you'd be right. Say the right things and have the right connections and Voilà, you're a prestigious artist now

@janineadrianareguengagomez3708

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and no, it depends more of the people you know, I once exposed at the "Tamayo museum" in Mexico with manga art (not traced obviously) and I saw it all by first hand, and it's just a fachade to wash money honestly, arts in Latin America is made to that, but to be on these museums you need to have friends who are judging or curating, they tell you you can hang anything and use an universal speech to confuse people. Corruption + ignorance = profit , and that's how most museums are running arts.

@obiwankenobi2083

2 жыл бұрын

oh my god...look every museum???!! Untill the time of great artist like picasso, dali and Andy Warhol...no Art has been seen in any museum...in which world you are living man? There are only the same monocoloric canvas with two or three lines or a rattatoui of colors... But seriously nobody here knows the "GREAT" artist of today...because their Art sucks in such galaxy way

@obiwankenobi2083

2 жыл бұрын

@@janineadrianareguengagomez3708 it is not in southamerica...even "GREAT" nations like US and Europe have the same problems...it is how art business is done...not about quality, but networking. So you take an artist, who is eloquent enough, better he/she looks better are you chance, who follow the political stream and done you have your great artist...I mean just look what in social media is, is the same shit..so all people are here dumb and hyprotical as shit...crying for something, but doing the same.. By they way this is not stealing, is just a bad replica. And Mohammed Preacher should shut the fuk up, because lawyers and giuridical people should be the one to classify such things. Not him, especially artist who are making replicas of other art and photography..

@peterohara7317

2 жыл бұрын

@@obiwankenobi2083 I was just talking about this museum, not all museums. I’m very aware of museums with great artists. Read clearer next time and don’t assume people’s art sucks.

Im not a fan of roasting other peoples art... BUT

@ohtartarsauce6301

3 жыл бұрын

It's not her art in the first place

@isaachirsch4315

3 жыл бұрын

@@ohtartarsauce6301 yeah thats true, but I mean the way she "paints".

@RandoPassingBy

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaachirsch4315 ikr there's literally no techniques or skills in them and it's just so much ✨pain✨

@isaachirsch4315

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandoPassingBy very true

@lookatmyfacern

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandoPassingBy it looks like she didn't even fucking learn paint at all like god damn my 5 year old would paint better

Forget plagerism, I need to know what museums would accept my mediocre work.

@ChienaAvtzon

3 жыл бұрын

It is a propaganda museum dedicated to an infamous dictator’s wife.

This is a sign to all artists to start pricing your artwork higher cause there's always someone in the world willing to pay for it. I'm tired of seeing people sell quality work for less than 20 dollars while people like this make a quick 3k off some traced work.

Only the Og’s watched those video before it was made live hence it having 250 views in the first 1 second! I’m an OG😁

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

😈 demon time

The Beanie Messiah has returned, HELL YEAH Sidenote: Thee Audacity of this "Professional" artist

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

insert heavenly music!

I’m sorry but her paintings aren’t even good enough to make her this famous that her paintings are in museums…

@sillyjazgirl

2 жыл бұрын

Your php made this a 100% better.

Her art looks like my art when I was 5 - 8 years old, jesus christ- I HOPE THEY DO/DID SOMETHING ABOUT THIS！

You'd think these people would know better...they'll get caught sooner or later so why do it? I don't get it.

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

quick cash in this case.

@gkurose8671

3 жыл бұрын

@@MohammedAgbadi that's true but to me my public image from that day onward would be such an embarrassment. Idk how they'll be able to continue on social media being known as an art thief 😅 I'm sure it's more rewarding posting their own art knowing that they didn't copy anybody. But people can be weird so Idk lol Love your content btw! 💕

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

She DID get the money. Tbh i dont think she even care of her reputation. She got tons of money off of it

@axlrose5082

2 жыл бұрын

Corruption lol

Funny part is that most of these Japanese aritst doesn't even sell their own artwork, just for fun (I mean they sell some of them but not all of them). Imagine when you draw stuff for free but someone is literally selling it.

Just goes to show: Art collectors don't actually know anything about art.

Of course she is from Argentina, tremendo mi país gente.

@b4rflady623

2 жыл бұрын

JaJa amIgUe sos re gil😎👏

I always thought a lot of art museums are a huge scam and doesn't care about the original artist at all, in this case they didn't even bother to do some research on the artwork itself. There are so many amazing artists on social media which would truly deserve this huge amount of money instead.

Everything that was written about "Evita Ninja" was just word vomit. This isn't meaningful; it's superficial to the point of being elementary. If the pose was what she wanted, fine, no foul. For a work of art to be transformative it needs to be different by at least 60%. That is not 60%; it's plagiarism. Changing her clothes to an outfit Evita wore and making an effort to make it look like Evita could have accomplished the goal and, even then it would still not be enough to convey a statement. It is evident that all of her work lacks planning and has the stench of laziness and lack of effort. The museum who bought her work are anathema to the art community. She and they should be ashamed of themselves.

It's honestly not surprising she has a painting in a museum given how actually shady the "fine" art world is. It's basically a tax racket for rich people, with pervasive plagiarism and blatant theft (coughjeffkoonswalterkeanecough) with a heavy dose of nepotism mixed in. I'm not saying that as one of those "I hate art people" who throw a fit when they see Cy Twombly or Yves Klein, I think there's actually a lot of technically proficient, thought-provoking and fun to look at contemporary art (I'd argue that even the majority of art you see in galleries is at least some mix of those), but it's also extremely crooked.

What baffles me is that they're clearly good enough at selling themselves, a thing most of us artists suck at, if she actually took time to work on their craft they wouldn't have a problem. They'd be unstoppable and probably more fulfilled. 🙁

@janineadrianareguengagomez3708

3 жыл бұрын

The problematic is always that good artist spend their time creating and learning, while the ones who are good at selling themselves spend their time socializing and meeting potential buyers or sponsors, that's why good artists needs managers too, but that's so expensive and most good artists have low self esteem and Don't believe they could make that much money. It's really sad but happens in every single job. If she would put effort on her work would soon realize she can't actually do it good

Lol we get to see the video before it drops.

People: making art This art thief: this is mine now. Thank you very much Her victim: hold up, wait a minute

@user-is9nm4vw8j

3 жыл бұрын

"You made this?" "I made this"

Well, I'll say this proudly I can draw better than her

@RandoPassingBy

2 жыл бұрын

And I'm sure waaaaaaaay *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY* better than her

@ballcrusher999

2 жыл бұрын

same even sans fan gacha girls trace better than her

@otohime8516

2 жыл бұрын

Both arts are very... not that good?

@juliane5632

2 жыл бұрын

@@ballcrusher999 i do copy art too, i dont sell it but i make sure its 90% accurate with the linings, color and design and she already copies drawing but cant even do it properly, my heavy experience on copy art is judging her so hard rn- (I only copy because i wanna practice, i am not talented to have a visionary mind, i just want reference then do own styles on it. I thought at first its wrong then i found out "even animation studio hire copy artist, as long as you have a great style with an accurate drawing then you can still be hired." and i never felt more inspired, its not because i copy that its because my art can still be worth it based on how i style it. I can make example, in haikyuu, season 3 where is shiratorizawa vs karasuno, theres a realistic looking trophy made art, it was copied but the style what made it great, its realistic, its beautiful, it stands out and it still weirdly fits)

@alexanderschulz5088

2 жыл бұрын

My 6 Year old Daughter can 😄

Butchman got no dirt on this, surprisingly.

Now we should declare that Mohammed is a police officer of art community.

I love that this video already has over 30 likes because we just know that this mans content is gonna be gold

A bit of context: This woman (and that "museum") are part of a political movement called 'Peronism'. Under banners of patriotism, socialism, defense of workers and the people, etc., this movement has committed acts of terrorism and social destabilization that brought Argentina to the brink of a civil war and conclude in an army coup. To this day they do not answer for their murders and actively try to rewrite the history to appear as "the good guys." Many of them are part of the Senate now. This woman, in saying that she is attacked for being a woman and a feminist, simply follows a deep-rooted custom of her political party: using flags that people frequently support to justify her actions.

No me esperaba a que llegara hasta este hombre wow si está cañón la situación entonces :/

@DarckInfected

3 жыл бұрын

la verdad que no, quedo en la nada esto. La galeria no hizo nada al respecto, no les importa en lo absoluto.

@mathiasrodriguez2063

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarckInfected Se hicieron los boludos, es lo mismo que hacen prácticamente todos los políticos en el país cuando se mandan una cagada

@ZurditaDinamita

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarckInfected Los ciudadanos podrían llevar una queja al Ayuntamiento contra la galería... Pero por lo que he leído la galería funciona con dinero público, no? :') shit

People shouldn't be titled as "artists" if they blatantly copy other's art... if the artist was using them as references and gave credit I'd be fine, but selling them too? *really?* 😒

@vovagusse

3 жыл бұрын

Referenced artwork ≠ Copycat

...is it really that hard to get an 'artist' like that banned, and not only banned, but also reported to the authorities for theft? Why can't those people be caught and put to justice for crap like this?!

@DarckInfected

3 жыл бұрын

this is Argentina, laws are simple obstacles, no such thing as theft in this place. Literally covid vaccines were stolen and given to vip (lovers,friends and families of the rich or politician)

when sinoalice's art was one of the works that got stolen: *TRIGGERED*

@girlrot

2 жыл бұрын

SO TRUE,, dont do that to alice >:(

@screamsintotheabyss8975

2 жыл бұрын

I'm mad that she tried connecting her art with feminism and then traced Alice. Like out of all the characters...

@macamakoroni

2 жыл бұрын

@@screamsintotheabyss8975 exactly qwq, the audacity i am crying so hard

"tipo" can be used to mean "guy" in certain situations. Adding "ito" to words denotes them being small. "Angry Tipito" means "Angry Little Guy"

From the moment I saw this story in the news here in Argentina, I knew you were going to do a video about it.

I'm glad that more people are talking about this from other contrys

I don't understand how you can trace/copy art and still be so horrible. Maybe I'm spoiled by living near actual art museums- but if I saw a terribly painted anime girl hanging on a museum wall I would drop to my knees with tears of joy and thank the Lord for such a gift. I'm going to note down Argentina as a possible buyer for my own art now since they have no standards.

@obiwankenobi2083

2 жыл бұрын

it is normal...many famous artist did it and still do it. Look Andy Warhol or tip "plagiarism in art" and you will be surprised. There are 2 philosophy in this matter. one who denounce it and the other who says it should be done. But at the end every artist do it and it is hard to see the "plagiarism", which is not copy and the definition is just use in literature. At the end every reference an artist use, it can be see as "plagiarism". And if you see tutorials of digital artist is pretty normal to use picutres and photos in their digital painting. Do you think they write the author of the photo? But anyway if you do not belive me...fine. Go to an expert in this matter and talk with them.

I CANNOT! Her art is traced but it STILL looks so bad! It's so sad that people are buying her "art" for so much. Art thieves have no work ethic because if they did they wouldn't be art thieves. It takes time to learn but you can make decent art if you go and look at ways to improve with free videos or tutorials. I'm bad at writing my thoughts but it just makes me so mad when people who work hard are pushed down by people who don't even try because it's happened to my dad in the past.

Ahh, this has moved to the English art community! I'm so glad more people are talking about her, thank you ❤!

I'm absolutely bewildered that such terrible 'refrigerator' art can be sold for thousands. And people critique where many artists price their art at. Most don't even ask for $200 for a full piece! Atrocious.

@yuki97kira

3 жыл бұрын

The majority i saw was even hesitant to priced their full body fully coloured to 30$!!!!!!!!

@mastertofu

3 жыл бұрын

@@yuki97kira yeah! Even with simple backgrounds!

@aeoligarlic4024

2 жыл бұрын

Simpletons complain when original artists price their art accrodingly but they wouldn't think twice when it comes to following repost accounts in instagram and purchasing garbage overpriced art

@mastertofu

2 жыл бұрын

@@aeoligarlic4024 Exactly! Many "fan pages" don't even credit the original artists and think there's no harm in reposting when they're getting tens of thousands of likes while the original can barrly reach a hundred.

@lookatmyfacern

2 жыл бұрын

@@mastertofu fuck those fan pages, supporting the original artist directly is better

This is the reason why most artists don't get the appreciation they deserve and usually ending up on them getting demotivated and frustrated.

As an Argentinian myself I remember being so ashamed when this went viral u.u And it was even worst because it was in a MUSEUM!

This art thief would make Steve wonder, wonder.

@endoverendy

3 жыл бұрын

Mhmm

It's sad how thieves like her can get away with things like this. "Yay! Let me steal other artists' ideas and make profit." What a crap thing to do.

She stole from SinoAlice... If Yoko Taro and SquareEnix sue her, she'd be so done for

it's quite sad because the fact that she puts no effort into originality and still getting thousands of dollars while I'm just sitting in the corner with actual proper art and not getting any money.

I'm from Argentina and art is not really taken seriously, so i'm not suprised that she was allowed to put her ''art'' in the museum. People around here don't even care about any artistic stuff, that's why i'm moving to spain as soon as i can.

@ChienaAvtzon

3 жыл бұрын

Considered which museum purchased her “art” I am not surprised.

@laos85

2 жыл бұрын

How can they even do something without arts???

I can't believe she actually made lots of money with other people's works! There are artist out there that would *love* to have their art sold or even just seen in a museum but for most are still considered to be either childish because it's anime or not "fine art" enough to be exposed there (unless you are a famous mangaka all over the world with millions of fans, in that case all galleries and museums are all over you).

She sounded a literal 5 year old when she said "they also plagiarised because they did fan arts"

One real issue she can use in her defence is that her paintings don’t look exactly the same.. I mean, it’s pretty obvious that it’s not original concepts at all, but the copies are so sub-par to the originals that she could claim that they are “modified enough”… which is horrible

I’m sorry what?!? I can’t believe someone would do that! Whoever this person is they had a small potential of making their own art and original content but NOOOOOOO. They just went ahead and plagiarized other peoples work and stole it, let alone sell it and claim it as their own. That really sucks, coming from an artist myself.

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

tbh it's really annoying because she actually can paint. if she took the time to focus and improve she'll be unstoppable but NOOOOOOO

Bruh.. People have hit rock bottom, this tracing of art is insane

As an artist who struggles with finding clients, and seeing "artist" like this woman stealing from others and copying their art makes me sick 🤢 And HOW are they museum worthy!?

@laos85

2 жыл бұрын

The true fact lies in the lack of ideas

It’s not even good (the stolen art), why would *any* museum buy her art?

How doesn’t this video have views yet

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

I haven’t posted it! How can you see it?!

@microwavedmaya

3 жыл бұрын

@@MohammedAgbadi its listed in your playlists

to think that i have the same nationality as this person disgusts me

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

not all Argentinians are like this! i know! i come from a country with a bad rep too. and for good reason.

Thankyou for bringing this to public attention

I could listen to you the whole day. You are.. soothing. You seem kind and approachable and I love the way you help others improve their art. And even here where you call someone out on their bs, you do so in a soothing manner.

The traced art isn't even that good looking, it looks like something i would draw in middle school.

@hannatheoneandonly

2 жыл бұрын

Not to flex but as 9 year old who does digital art for the most of her life, I can draw traditional art way more better than that traced stuff

As a latin american this is just really embarrassing man, theirs so many lovely and extremely talented artist out here that struggle to have a decent living and then comes this woman to sell traced art for thousands, what we're the museum even thinking..

Yayy I'm so happy you uploaded again! You are very entertaining to watch, along with your content. Thanks for this video!

This is disheartening. Thank you for the education to protect myself. You have my full support!🙏🏾👍🏾

Peronism doing its job again.

6:06 as someone who likes Yoko Taro's games, this makes me mad.

My man you do us all justice putting people in the spotlight! i love and appreciate these vids keep it upppp

Seems like more and more people are making big bucks just copying and stealing from others. Why can't people just do things for fun and hobbies instead of scamming others for profit.

Another good way to explain fan art vs plagiarism is that plagiarism is you claiming art, that isn't yours, as your own via stealing/tracing. Making fan art of Iron Man doesn't make me a plagiarist because I am not claiming Iron Man. I'm also not tracing him lol.

What makes it "funnier" to me is that she's really bad at drawing, so the copied stuff looks even more out of place in her pieces. LMAO

“You could trick almost anyone, but you can’t lie to me!” I agree! 💜🌹

I really appreciate the video on Fatima. I enjoy your videos in general and would play them whenever I draw. Your voice is calming and absolute serotonin.

I know its a bad way to think but........i cant get commissions/sell/show in gallerys and this is in museums? Makes me want to cry to be honest that a theif who doesnt even trace well gets there but not people who actually try 😢

I can imagine if the money she made per painting could be given back to the original artist in some way (and possibly some for the museums?)

As someone who is hard of hearing and has a hard time understanding people talking in my language with my same accent, let alone someone with an accent from any other country, I really appreciate the subtitles! It makes it a lot easier to understand what's being said so I don't have to crank up my sound super loud. Great video!! It's always so disheartening to see people stealing art and claiming it as their own, you know those artists of the original pieces worked their butts off to get to where they are, and yet this person that very obviously hasn't put in all that work gets all the money and that's so very frustrating and I really appreciate you calling them out!

It's one thing to steal from an artist, but then blatantly do it so badly and still make a profit from it is extremely infuriating.

Dude you really need to change the mods in your discord. They abuse their power too much. They even change the server's name to one of their friends name. A lot of people are unhappy

@MohammedAgbadi

3 жыл бұрын

oh wow! alright i'll be there in a sec to see what's going on, thanks for notifying me

I actually feel so angry about this, because in my country (Argentina) artists are literally stepped on and mistreated by the government and specially the citizens. There is still the idea that art has no real value and it's easy to make when that can't be further from the truth. Every artist that wants to do art for a living ends up leaving the country. AND THEN, people like her get money out of copying and tracing...I love this 🤡

Beautiful and great sharing friend😃❤️.

Thank you for this video. More people need to know about this, not only because of the plagiarism, but also because it promotes political propaganda for the party that has been destroying our country for almost 70 years. Only because of this political iconography is that she was given the place at the museum. Plus, on top of being clearly traced, it is bad art. As you said, there is SO many talented artists that have never sold a piece, it's ridiculous.