Have you seen how hard hoederer goes in this event? He is cracked, use him

That is the problem with the creative direction of Arknights now. They release stronger and stronger dps units that the enemies also needed to bloat their stats. It is really much better if HG make the support ops overpowered like Gladiia and Eyja alter. The drawback is the extra slot and deployment but their mere presence just contributes so much to the clear.

"All the good supporters are year 1" Stainless isn't a year 1 operator tho

@Kyle81290

Ай бұрын

Yeah, but Stainless sucks

@galeria_m

Ай бұрын

​@@Kyle81290 stainless is good tho wdym

@MudMudLover

Ай бұрын

@@Kyle81290 No he's not. The problem with him is just you need to have at least two deployable tiles near your unit you want to buff for max effect, and that can be problematic at some maps with some placements. Ofc, he still can be used with one of his machines, but then buff just becomes not-so-great, and it'll be better to use other supporters

@Kyle81290

Ай бұрын

@@MudMudLover In other words: he sucks

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

On top of which, you need a lot of dp to set him up. While he does bring really good buffs, I always bring aak from support. He is just much better for the cost of 11 dp

Surely we won't get Shu soon who is a very good support character right? *Clueless*, but yeah we are getting way more dps then support characters and it's a bit sad.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Indeed.

@nasriq

Ай бұрын

but she's limited so support is still just as scarce, atleast the good ones

@crikeybaguette4564

Ай бұрын

​@@nasriq Civilight Eterna is a very strong upcoming support and she's free. Sadly an exception though.

I play mostly with welfares, did you know that the best slower for welfares is Orchid (or Scene with module LUL)? But hey, we have 3 welfare arts defenders (out of 4 in the game), some niche wants some of that? xD

Holy shit this guy is singing again

My man Gnosis not even mentioned..

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I didnt mention a lot more units. Not only gnosis. The point of the video was not to go through all the supports we have in the game. +Gnosis is relatively less popular than the other supports, because of freeze immunity.

There's a lot of ops now... just choose your poison and enjoy

Reed alter arts fragility stack with saria s3 no? They both are different debuffs afaik

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Yes I know. They are both technically arts fragility though. But they do stack as they are different

maybe part of the issue is that the best way to support a teammate is to cover their weaknesses, and that was the original ethos of arknights you want to guard the objective so you deploy a defender, but they can't damage the mobs fast enough, so you support them not with a supporter, but with a fast damage dealer like a guard. uh oh, a hoard of them are coming, you don't have enough block for this, deploy someone who can do aoe damage! you are going to need to deploy so many more units but you don't have enough credit generation, deploy a vanguard. here comes a big tanky boss, deploy a caster to ignore that high defense and deal arts damage in stead. Make sure you keep your frontline stable with a healer! Dammit, there are flying guys now too! bust out the Glaucous- sorry, the glock from Jessica! Why would you use a supporter to support your team when you are already supporting them through specialized forms of damage? As such, supporters are kinda left in this awkward spot where they have to cover for one of the previously mentioned roles so you aren't missing out on a deployment slot, but they can't be stronger than opperators of equal rarity in the category they are copying. If Roberta could do everything a guard or defender could do, why would you bring a guard or defender? When summoning, are you going to go after someone who can guard and defend stupendously, or are you going to go for someone who helps those guards or defenders do that. The appeal is lacking, especially for newer players- see every newbie who got Angelina and dumped her in the trash because they have no strong units to have Angie support.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I disagree a bit. Nowadays dps characters such as Mlynar, Qiubai, Degenbrecher, Horn, Hoederer, Rosa, Surtr etc. Usually have like 1 or 2 flaws. Which honestly makes them playable in almost any condition just on their own. And buffers are theoretically useful to support units that can do everything on their own. But unfortunately, it seems like they just arent so relevant today.

@maragazh9993

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws This is true, but why release a unit that can support a unit that can do everything on their own when you could instead release another unit that does everything on their own xd Would be cool to have a mega buffer, but idk if there is anyone they can add that would do more than Skalter

@-nikifor-1546

Ай бұрын

Virtuosa so far has been the only good "support" class unit I've seen (and have), only one that is good enough to replace a dps at least, maybe Scene too since she can spawn a whole lot of robots. (got her from recent CC) Most other "supporters" I have either have do dum "heal when skill is on but only for a bit" or slight def decrease ( which is pointless since you can just bring a caster). I'm just a returning player btw for about three months now but it seems I've played for a while during 2021 (or was it 2020) so I don't really know too much myself.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Support and Supporters are different things. Even the arknights recruitment system tells you that because there is a tag "Support" and a tag "Supporter". Supporters are a lie, most of them do not support you💀

@oldcat30

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws like some medic is a lie but they do dmg

For supports to matter, you'd have to make them strong enough to make up for not using another dps operator. That comes with inflexibility, as they'd have to support a specific DPS operator or debuff a certain lane, while a DPS character could do things on his own before/after redeployment. The mayor exception is Skadi Alter S2, as she buffs offense, defense and heals and can extend her range via the summon. It's pretty obvious why you can't have another operator functioning like her unless you disable stacking. Same goes for Debuffs, which are actually completely broken, yet simply not used widely unless Kyo uses them in a guide for a very hard event. Shamare's S2 M3 is -50% Atk and Def on something you can place on any tile that can be deployed on. There's simply no headroom for improvement, as you'd cross the point where a operator would be almost mandatory. That said, there are actually very strong supports... that aren't supports. The AH Squad combined has like +20 ASPD, +52%HP, +20% ATK, +0,5 SP/s just for being in the Squad and Gladiia with Module reduces Phys/Arts dmg to AH by 30% and every AH recovers 3,5% max HP/s ... and then comes Ulpianus, who can (with buffs) 1v1 Black Snake and Steam Knight, while himself buffing all AH as well.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

DPS characters do get their time to shine and break the game though. If supports are kind of left in the dust for so long, it means that they arent as relevant

i just found your account today that qiubai part made me feel like I was fucking high I love it

@The158Outlaws

27 күн бұрын

Guess the next song

@The158Outlaws

27 күн бұрын

Ill sing once more

Man my girl justice knight gets no love 😔

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

We all love Justice Knight in our hearts.

Quibai X Ines. Can't change my mind, colors and ability are all matched.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Haha

The most absurd thing to me is that year1 5* medic Warfarin is equal to or better than a much later released 6* actual support operator Stainless. Sure Stainless can give more attack buff, by an utterly and completely negligible amount, or be more consistent with giving sp depending in the amount of trash mobs there are. However, he has to choose between sp or attack, while Warfarin always gives both and actually heals too. Now I get it, Stainless is balanced around the fact that he also gives a really small attack buff offskill, but for a 6* that has to choose between his roles either his passive power should be higher or his active power should be higher. How is a more shiny, newe, 6* actual support not significantly, objectively, absolutely and undeniably better than an old af 5* medic?!

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Yep, that's absurd

@anhnguyenhoang210

Ай бұрын

Which is why you use both of them, Stainless for his insane 1sp/sec charging (basically cuts skill cooldown by half) and Warfa for the 90% atk buff

@fantasyworldofdeer853

Ай бұрын

I am waiting for his second module which probably going to be extra deployable count ( like ling ) or stat boosts for devices ( or both ?!!🥵!!?! ). Even if they increase his buff by %2 ( %1 per module lvl ) he is gonna provide extra %16 more atk buff ( compared to non module version , %112 total ) and he is much easier to use ( at least for me :D ) you don't need to think about rng buffing or something like that just put him and his device and activate his skill while he is standing corner of the map XD.

@Nian91131

Ай бұрын

Imo u are too think highly of warf sp talent, if u really use her for feeding sp which mainly for atk recovery/defensif recovery (coz why not use ptilo if u want to charge auto) then warf wouldnt make much different most of the time

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

@@Nian91131 Warfarin sp battery is only good with s1 most of the time, her s2 usually has yhe stupidest positioning in order to buff a chatacter, not letting her make use of the sp talent

I feel like people are forgetting skadi alter. I mean, sure, she is limited, but isn't she one of the best supporters?

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

depends on the operator

@iribar1190

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws true

1:28 i never truly acknowledged my beloved Qiubai's beauty until now. The soothing background music makes it feel all the more intimate... she's so close to me too... she's so beautiful

Blud didn't have seen Theresa yet

Hey hey hey lol, saria’s debuff for bonus arts damage is actually not the same as arts fragility like in reed (it’s actually counted differently in calculations) xd

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I know. But it's essentially the same thing if used separately. I thought it was easier to understand for the masses. But yes, I do know they are not the same.

@voltrixgames4375

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws yes and no it is similar enough to look at it that way it’s just iirc, one is just straight up bonus damage after the res calculation (So the total wouldn’t be calculated until the damage is first reduced by the res) , and then one is bonus damage and then it funnels that total into res to reduce THAT to give you the total, but then again they also probably could’ve spaghetti coded it

Civilight Eterna... Yeah, they should release more support character, but not overly generalize like the dmg dealers

What I'm happy about is that 4/5 stars remain relatively the same but still extremely diverse so you can challenge yourself for almost any stage

the schizo energy is wild within this one

Well, it really is a problem and in current way the game is developing, many TRUE supporters are left behind and future ones arent needed. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean nowadays supports are used mainly to boost mid and weak chars, but why bother, if u can use 1 OP char?

I think the problem is that we already have absurdly powerful DPS units, and if we were to then also have support units that powercreep the ones we already have then it would just trivialize the entire game and they would have to give us even more bloated enemies to even it out. On the other hand, they could still give us new support ops that DONT powercreep but also aren't totally inconsequential (like bryophyta)

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I said it in the video. I dont want uber broken supports, rather those with easier application of said buffs.

@Purplepentapus_

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws ah, I must not have understood what you said then

Nightingale and shining can still do a job. Thats all the healer i want honestly.

But Think about it we have Suports for ranged but they don't have a Surtr, Mylnar, Horn, Jessica, Ines, Viviana, Silverash, Penace, Mudroc, Etc.. My point? Archers do Phisical Damage with ocasionaly Arts, Casters Do arts Damage and ocasionaly slows, The Melee units have Bind, Stun, Silence, Steal Stats, Tremble. Levitate, Damage Reduction, Dodge, Shields. Archer have def down, Ignore Dodge and Sometimes slow, Casters have RES Down, Slow, and Bind so most new units don't need nor should have Buffers unless it is with gimicks like qiubai bind and the levitate and necrosis Crew.

Perhaps because the operators that are already in the game are so OP that they don't need any support so when nobody needs a support operator no one will pull for them. Take Patriot for example try defeating him with old and new operators and see which one is easier. Unbalanced meta is a common thing in video games specially the games that are getting old Once a game reaches its maximum player base the creators rather make more money by using the same formula again and again and just doing some minor changes to the game instead of actually improving it.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Interesting take, cant say if we can be 100% certain for it to be the behavior of hypergryph, but it is what is

Looks like Limbus Company will satisfy your demand Don’t come back crying if you got filtered

if they release OP support , that mean they need to make the stage harder than before, because 1 OP support mean OP team.

The problem with supports is that they are either too OP or just a waste of space. And when an op is OP (LOL) they will add enemies that are immune to its skills which makes an op useless or way less relevant! Just look at Lappland and its silence! You can bet that the player base would scream at developers when an op unit is completely useless in certain content because certain enemies would completely lock out and ignore skills and/or mechanics of an op!

How DARE you say that to my waifu eyjafjalla *reload my shotgun and point you* prepare to die *intense music* just kidding *put the shotgun down*. I agree with what you say in the video every time Arknights releases a unit, the question in mind is going to a DPS HG? Well.... YES, for me well shit. HG keeps releasing a unit that has DPS, not support unit, for me when reed alter got out I thought she a support but no she a dps and also healing.I don't know how in the future for arknights is like always a dps unit or not. Rip my phone storage cannot play arknights.

We really do need more good blatant support characters. Like a meta debuffer would change the meta so much and potentially allow for more strategies to be viable.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I would love to see better buffers, specifically because better buffers could make some units perform way above their normal performance and shift up in the meta. I think if there was a great atk buffer, mlynar would be far less popular as a unit. In theory, if Mlynar were to get powercrept by many units at once, his main advantage over other dps characters would be block 3, 4k hp, and 500 defense. I think buffers and debuffers in general could make the meta more dynamic. And, one thing I really want to see, is more diverse cc high risk clears. Its no secret that lately, high risk clears all come down to certain must haves for the stage. I would love to see more strategies as in older ccs, where you could have multiple strats (except for cc9, cc9 was ew for high risk)

Not the best comparison, but Honkai Star Rail has way too many supports for only 1 year of being out, and compared to the dps it's like 40% supports and 60% dps. Arknights has like 10 supports out of the hundreds of playable ops, absolutely crazy. Clearly they aren't worried about dps powercreep with the release of W'alter, but where is the support powercreep? Pretty much just eyja alter in recent times. I agree though, some units like windflit are so bad at buffs that they aren't worth bringing at all.

Shu is support? But yeah HG just saying: look i have railgun for you and you don't need shield okay just blast em

@Piccolololmao

Ай бұрын

she has TONS of buffs, she is the best character next to wisadel this year

@abrahamwijaya6631

Ай бұрын

@@Piccolololmao can be honest yeah Walter cool but is it overrated? We have so many way to kill anything... Can we have a trolling the enemy way 🥱

@Piccolololmao

Ай бұрын

@@abrahamwijaya6631 if you mean dps is overrated sure. But her dps itself isn't overrated, she kinda shames Mlynar and Degen. But Mlynar or Degen is more tham enough

@abrahamwijaya6631

Ай бұрын

@@Piccolololmao yeah I know right? We have many way to kill not trolling 😞 Miss the day we have yeet crownslayer☺️

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I dont upload CN content on my channel, and even though I already know about Shu(got spoiled by my friend), I am not going to include her in the video. Though Shu only gives 25% atk and aspd right? she is just like a half aak buff

Just rerun Stainless more often. He's not just a support OP. he's THE SUPPORT OP. HG slipped up big time and released a support with cracked up %atk buff, multiple renewable SP charging stations and something to mitigate the main flaw of offensive sp recovery ops.

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

You see, Stainless is hella dp heavy, which is why barely anyone uses him. It is the unfortunate truth behind him, and even though his buffs are great, the dp cost is crazy

@anhnguyenhoang210

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws No, I don't see it. > "Stainless is hella DP heavy" > Bro only costs 19 DP and his devices are either 2 DP (platforms) or 6 DP (turret) with module > Myrtle trivializes that anyway For comparison, an sp battery costs 10 DP. Stainless and his 2 sp platforms cost only slightly more than 2 batteries but you can have 2 to use at once and they're renewable

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

@@anhnguyenhoang210 Still, it makes him expensive to set up in comparison to Aak that gives around the same power level of stats for a cost of 11 dp and gets his buff faster. I do think it is a problem. If you deploy Stainless, you basically sacrafice potential other supports/other characters placement by doing so. Not to mention his platforms also have cooldowns... I am not saying he is a bad unit, but he is definitely not shiny enough to be popular.

Ines and shu exist

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Ines is not a support character

@sayantanpaul5947

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws she is tho. Invisibility reveal, aspd steal, movement speed reduction

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

@@sayantanpaul5947 All of that is utility, not support

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

The gap between shu and Stainless(last support character we had) is 1.5 years

1:12 Bro did not just sing careless whisper to her waifu 💀 P.S. it's not a love song

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I don't know the lyrics, this song is usually associated with love though

@almondbread8255

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws it's about feeling of guilt after cheating on your significant other Yeah

ah yes, the funny guy

Well, we have buffed characters powercreeping the hell out of the game.

HG don't releases new supporters because no one will roll for them

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

could be so

I clicked because of Stainless my boi, u tricked me 😭 But yes, Qbai bes girl DPS and Def dominate this game, I agree, so I’m looking forward to troll enemies with Shu (well, if she decides to put her resume in my gacha bag, of course 😢)

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Sorry about it, I didnt mean to trick anybody

This is fun i like it 😊😊

The game already has all supports needed, how can you make another without powercreeping the current ones? And imagine a squad of 11 supports and GG, you can just ignore stage mechanics and delete everything. The way this game goes is utility-focused operators, and new 4* 5* covers what is lacking in the current roster. On the other hand, 6* can do everything on their own, skipping the "work together" strategy of a tower defense game, so they are bad design decisions. But for real, how can you guys playing all 6* and never get bored? So many players stay for years because of niche, if you can bruteforce first try all stages, what's the meaning of playing anymore?

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

I actually want them to be powercrept. We use the same buffers and debuffers for ages, I want to use someone new. In other gacha games, they get powercrept and people pull for them. Because who doesnt like big numbers? And in Arknights, they are a little bit off. We barely get any new support characters.

The only problem I see is YOU

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

too bad

Arknights is a damage orianted DPS centric game, even if the support is borderline broken its almost always better to just bring a DPS instead of them. Arknights differs fro. Most other gacha games because of this as supports arent relevant as utility and DPS operators

@zomfgroflmao1337

Ай бұрын

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I just recently watched a guy doing gacha reviews talking about how he knows that supports are the most important characters while dps are usually exchangeable. That from a person that tests a ton of gacha games and Arknights is for sure no exception. xD

@Kyokka

Ай бұрын

@@zomfgroflmao1337 AK can be an exception though as the rare TD gacha out there. In Genshin and HSR, indeed, supports are more important than DPS. Here - hardly so.

@ThaDude

Ай бұрын

Trauma Intervention and Twilight of Wolumonde is a proof that DPS is not the main gameplay of Arknights. It is just more profitable for the game to release stronger dps which is hurting the balance of the game. Back in earlier years, the game is centered around studying the stage, the enemies and the mechanics. That is why this game was compared to Dark Souls.

@zomfgroflmao1337

Ай бұрын

@@Kyokka You clearly never played with the right support set ups. In Arknights supports are often used to buff a single character like Exusiai or Tachanka to deal insane damage, but even outside of speed kills you can constantly see supports in the hardest content, like Suzuran during Strife or Shamare to reduce damage to make certain strategies possible. Even during the IS 3 PvP event that had some of the craziest gameplay you can find supports were a constant feature, from Skalter, Gnosis over Shamare, Pramanix, Suzuran and nearly always present Warfarin. Not to mention that you can support multiple targets in normal play which makes them even more efficient slots than any dps.

@Kyokka

Ай бұрын

@@zomfgroflmao1337 when you say "are often used", you should mention by whom. As a newish player, I watch mostly story guides (made with low rarity ops) and IS streams (where 4-stars are most popular). I saw examples of those support setups only in some boasting content from CN or KR. Idk who plays AK that way except for some rich old players.

I mean why they do this, most 5 stars are sht, they use them as test material, release, look at performanse, if bad create broken ahh 6 star, GREAT SOLUTION, NICE ON. Why leto skill and talent are garbage? Why dagda skills hawe lowest multipliers and most dumb rng talent? Instead of norman dmg buff and some sudo-useful talent? Why hunter archetiype don't reload whole magazine at once?????????? (uhh well hunter class is sht so we will do some adjustments to it) Then they decide to create RAY dumb 6 star hunter That is just BIG NUMBA UGA BUGA(shee to reloads one bulet at the time, yes HyperG that exacly what hunter class needs good job. Why just why and list just goes on and on my god...help us. And most important WHY FROST-LEAF MODULE IS A JOKE????? it was done on purpose (woooo year 1 operators are tooo strong wooo weaken frost leaf) usles.

0/20 yapping

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Did you know that whales can survive for 4 seconds in space?

@ARKMerry

Ай бұрын

@@The158Outlaws That's amazing thx for the info subscribed

Qiubai so hot

@The158Outlaws

Ай бұрын

Wise words my friend