We never needed faster computers, we just needed better programmers.

Sometimes I think I'm an okay programmer. Then I see a demo like this and realize I am a clown. THESE are programmers.

@KarlOlofsson

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I get a MacBook Pro just to make simple websites 😅

@markm0000

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlOlofsson Everyone’s got to start somewhere.

@OfficialGOD

Жыл бұрын

Self aware

@SiisKolkytEuroo

Жыл бұрын

@@markm0000 yeah but it's not like spending time on a MBP making websites is going to magically transform you into a real programmer. Trust me, I've tried...

@matsv201

8 ай бұрын

I´m not a programmer at all, rather a hardware engineer. I would say, this is probobly more about knowing tricks of the hardware then being very skilled with algorithm.. well.. .. yea, there are parts that looks like really good programming as well (like the landscape). A little hint. At 1:08 the border line change color ever so slightly, and the picture kind of shudders a bit. This was done to save memory in the previews segment. The blue border wall is a out of boundaries border wall, until that shudder, than its a text block color border-wall. I don´t know exactly how they address all 16 colors in the graphics mode (might be some mode mixing i´m unaware of) but the image in the middle of the screen is just as large as it looks like it is. So there is no problem having text on the side. I kind of think this is cooler out of a hardware than software perspective. but of cause, there is parts that looks fairly software intensive. Of cause, it might be as simple as they use hardware feature or bugs i´m unaware of. 2:45 they reintroduce the border, the flash is visible here. But they are sort of doing a classic misdirection magic trick 4:27 use a color invert function in 4 layers that where the pointer is moved. I didn´t know color inversion was possible in CGA, but its often used in EGA and VGA. 5:26 is kind of cool because there they are showing the trick

This is likely the biggest technical achievement ever seen on a PC without a 3d acceleration card, even crazier this is a machine from the very early 80s. If only 30% of this had been done in the late 80s, no one would be screaming Amiga today. To those knowing my name, I have seen a lot, but this is absolutely monumental. And to those watching who are not demosceners, you can not even imagine what an effort went into this to make this happen. Congratulations to everyone involved, you've become legends.

@MrMarianoamigo

Жыл бұрын

amiga? buhahhahahhaaa

@SEngelsg

Жыл бұрын

I seriously love my Amiga and has until *this moment* believed it was unbeatable.... W O W !!! ... 4Mhz and less than 500kb of data. W O W again!. I actually have a hard time believing what I just have seen .... This is the *by far* the most impressive demo I have ever seen! And if someone can explain how the **** they made the music beginning at 8:38...please do. The little "funk" bit at 9:11 and onwards really was the icing on the cake for me! .... W O W ! ! !

@rakido7388

Жыл бұрын

@@SEngelsg It's possible to play digitised sound through the PC speaker, you use timed interrupts and register tricks, similar to how you'd do it on a C64.

@SEngelsg

Жыл бұрын

@@rakido7388 yeah I know.. I was amazed when I first heard the sampled sound on a PC speaker with the game badcat in my youthful years. This demo is on another level though....

@ChickenPermissionOG

Жыл бұрын

how many clocks are being used up and what's the strain on the system

I know people are dying to send this demo back to the 80's and watch people's reactions. But even for 2022 it feels like someone time traveled this back to us.

@zulupox

Жыл бұрын

yeah, thinking the same... but it seems more likely someone will send back a cyberdyne T800 back in time

Pushing a 5150 to do this is a supreme achievement of creative misuse of technology. Nobody in IBM at the time would have had any clue that the computer they built could eventually do this. They'd just say it'd be impossible.

@BrendonGreenNZL

10 ай бұрын

That's because it _is_ impossible. These guys aren't mere programmers; they're wizards. So much so, Deep Magic™ is a walk in the park for them.

The parallax scrolling at what seemed to be 60fps would have knocked people's socks off on a 5150 in the early 80s, and then the water reflections? Wow thats not just talent, thats organized, integrated talent + effort.

@astr43us

Жыл бұрын

We’re forty years into the future and I can say for certain that I’m impressed with how much they’ve gotten out of the hardware

I have been programming for about 25 years and Area 5150 has me questioning everything I know about computers.

I really hope they do a breakdown of how they pulled this off. My brain is WRECKED.

@InOtherNews1

Жыл бұрын

Please let me know if they do! I'd kill to see the tricks they're using here!

@MarcKloos

Жыл бұрын

You can find a very extensive explanation of their previous demo - 8088mph. Very short answer: they manipulated the separate RGB lines on the CGA monitor output individually.

@penguinx42

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcKloos err, i don't think that's right. Mostly it's a hack where 16-color text mode characters are compressed to approximate a bitmap mode. It does rely on low level manipulation of the CGA hardware and careful scanline timing

@jadsi

Жыл бұрын

@@penguinx42 still mind-blowing

@jgordon7719

Жыл бұрын

They used clever tricks, it's not conceptionally possible using conventional methods, it's an illusion created with exceptional machine code and memory management to a high degree

Completely insane! I spent my entire childhood on a 10mhz CGA computer. Never seen more than 4 colors before 😂 and these smooth parallax scrolls... it is just insane

This is absolutely amazing! Considering the limitations of the CGA hardware, this is nothing short of MAGIC.

This is what the demoscene is all about. What an amazing achievement. Congratulations on the very well deserved first place!

4 decades later, with hindsight, better tools and enough time, whiz kids reimagine the dawn of home PCs. Feels like steampunk reimagining the victorian age...

This is almost impossible to believe, I thought it couldnt get any better than 8088mph. WOW. Coding talent galore!

Frankly, all I can say is congrats. You guys deserved that first place. This is truly an achievement, especially for hardware like this.

Just to imagine had people in the 80s developed programs like this with these type of graphics and where we would be right now.

Not only am I completely blown away by the tech of this (my first ever demos were actually made on CGA, but are lost to time.... boo), but I deeply love how loud this PC speaker is

The "music" starting at 7:24 was legendary for PIC controller-based sound...

Modern PC Today: "Eh? An IBM 8088? What can that old thing do?" IBM 8088: ***FLEX***

> It later won first place after audience voting. of course it did holy shit man

imagine what someone will be able to create with a 2020s computer in 2062 that would have blown us away had it been done today

@chotaire

Жыл бұрын

That would be great but it won't happen. Almost nobody will be learning to optimize their stuff like yesterday's programmers did. Also, a random computer from 2020 is nothing like one of the very few early home computers that existed back then. Nobody will care. In the past, millions have used the same computer. Today, everyone has a different setup.

@mytube9182

11 ай бұрын

Because someone can utilize a 80s computer to blow our mind so there must be someone who can push 2020s computer to the same height of difference ? No. Things don't work that way.

@cameroncalzone8860

11 ай бұрын

@@mytube9182 maybe they do work that way

@gurok2

5 ай бұрын

Not just that, think about the demos that 2062 people will be able to make with 80s computers.

@laglife

Ай бұрын

@@mytube9182 It absolutely does work that way. Most programs today are horribly optimized, there's still so much that can be pushed out of a 2024 PC that we just don't know about. Think about it. A modern x86 CPU runs at several gigahertz and has multiple cores, as well as multiple gigabytes of RAM. If you were to use a very minimal OS (or none at all?) you could utilize pretty much all of that plus typically an actual graphics card. We'll definitely see something like Area 5150 but for 2020s PCs sometime in the next 30 or 40 years for sure.

This 1 channel track turns me on! Subwoofer output colorizing the sound unbelievably.

I never used that hardware myself (not knowingly), but considering the time I owned a C64 and an Amiga, CGA pc's graphics were looked down upon...this looks like an awesome achievement...

@GrouchyBear411

11 ай бұрын

Same here, I started with C64, then AMIGA, but knowing the Hardware limitations, I sure can appreciate this achievement. 😊👍 To be honest, the C64 aside, I do not think the AMIGA has been pushed this hard yet, as this poor IBM 😅

That 4 MHz processor was probably stacked. Probably had a stack of them soldered together haha. Damn that was impressive!

This is monumental. My 5150 would melt, it does beeps, using Q-basic and can draw to CGA, which takes about half an hour... but this is some serious human ingenuity. Thank you. tears

I have no words. I cry. What a time to be alive.

I can't believe a CGA card would achieve that result! Back in the '80s I watched a VGA demo, not so awesome like this one, that made me spend a lot of money for a VGA card and a VGA monitor (I had a CGA setup).... I'm wondering if the techniques used for this demo can be used to develop a CGA game too...

@intel386DX

Жыл бұрын

Me too, but CGA clone cards and all others EGA VGA can not play this demo at all or it is glitchy.

I'm blown away. The soundtrack is amazing. WHAT

After seeing this, I believe in magic again.

i thought 8088mph was the absolout limit of that hardware. i thought anything more than that was phyiscaly impossible. but then here you go again, with 7 times the visuals and 4times the music i never even saw these kinds of effects in AGA demos

This is 6845 mastery. I love the effects at 8:13 and the water reflection in the credits.

Outstanding! I read how 8088mph was made and still impressed.

Absolutely freaking sick. Best 8-bit platform demo for sure. Even disregarding the platform, the effects and the flow and everything was really great.

Wait. That's illegal.

The cameo by Digger really surprised me, because I was just thinking of that game during the first part of the demo!

I could see you running this demo and then feeling the chips. I bet they're no hotter than normal.

This is the computer I grew up with, and in my memory, nothing I ever saw back then compares to this. One of the most impressive things I can remember was the game STYX, with its rotating 3d patterns, and if you look at that game compared to this you cannot believe its the same machine. At its best it could portray crude and flickering still images, like Bouncing Babies. Not even the stronger EGA machines had games with this fluidness, with the Sierra titles being the most impressive in the era. The idea in the day was that PCs simply couldnt do sprites, and because of that it was for business only.

Whoa, that's beyond anything I've ever seen. Jim, you've made a stunning demo once more!

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

95% of the amazing work in this demo is the result of Viler and reengine, so I'll throw some love their way.

When the oriental scene came I was expecting some IK+ action. Unbelievably good this production.

I NEED an export of that cTrix credits track, what a banger! ... and yes it goes without saying this is an incredible feat! :O

The alley cat moment made me feel nostalgia I haven't felt in quite some time. Nothing wrong with Keen either ;)

Absolutely fantastic work. Also, HOW ON EARTH?

beeper with reverberation and bass, that s what i needed

What is this sorcery? Amazing effects, great speed, music is so much better than 8088 mph. Even the outro, like how the hell did you manage these fancy reflections while still having enough spare clock cycles to bang the PC speaker with PWM, totally beyond me. Seems like you really squeezed out everything the machine has to give, that's off course until you manage to squeeze out more. My mind is blown, time to take the VGA card out of my XT clone, borrow a CGA clone from a friend and see if my machine can run it. Absolutely amazing work.

@davidvincent380

Жыл бұрын

IKR I saw worst ST demos

Awesome show, so much effort, you guys rock!

This is beautiful!

playing this at max volume and I don't regret it, this demo was insane

Magical. I'm in awe! Congrats to you and the team :)

Amazing work! I can't imagine the amount of time and effort that was put into this.

My jaw is once again on the floor, just incredible work... You and your colleagues never cease to amaze me, ever since I first saw 8088 Corruption way back in 2006.

Insane followup after 8088mph. Amazing work, everyone!

This was magical. You are true wizards!

Jim, this is legendary. Thanks so much! My kid and I thoroughly enjoyed it!

I keep coming back to this! Can't wait to see a 60fps direct feed soon (do love the audience feedback though!)

Absolutely impressive! Great work :)

Absolutely amazing

Great stuff!

Absolutely supreme! What a feat! Lost for words!

amazing prod, congrats!

I'm amazed. You did it again, team. I hope I get to meet one of you someday to congratulate you in person.

Mind blowingly fantastically AWESOME!!! :D

Okay....wow, what is on display here is just mindblowing! Excellent work!

Amazing, just amazing!

That was epic!

Outstanding work. I'd love to see a technical deep dive on how this works. The intro suggests that this is all in text mode. Is that correct? As far as I got with text animation was swapping character sets to get different "brushes" and changing the background color on the horizontal retrace. (But, that was around '92.)

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

It's abuse of text mode in some places, yes. The CGA font cannot be changed, so no different character sets.

@xnadave

Жыл бұрын

@@JimLeonard Very cool. I did a little reading on the 6845. I'm starting to get a vague idea of how that could be manipulated for good or evil. :)

Outrageously good !

Incredible. Have to watch it again right away

Whew, I clapped a few times sitting here at my desk. Mind blown, great work!

Outstandingly brilliant!

Amazing. I got choked up watching. If you get it, you get it.

very nice work all around! i see some clever CRTC tricks 😀

Absolute insanity. Well done!

Whichever way these effects were done, clearly you did the impossible - which made me think you might have done things I knew the CGA couldn't do. I'll have to wait for the write-up to discover exactly what kind of impossible methods you somehow still used to do the impossible. :)

I'm blown away! This is the best DOS demo I have ever seen, right next to 8088 Corruption and 8088MPH :D

Wow, 8088 MPH sequel, amazing as hell!

Absolutely jawsdropping prod!

Insane. Love it.

It's almost magic how you've managed to squeeze out as much of potentials out of a 5150 ! That's incredible ! (but my heart stay with the XDC Compiler/Player)

Very cool!

Damn, you guys are really pumping the 8088 CPU, Im really amazed.

Amazing Trixter!

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! But 95% of what you see onscreen is the work of Viler and reenigne, please send some love their way too.

That was worth the wait :)

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

We thought so :-) But it was down to the wire if we'd get it done in time for the deadline. There are rough spots, and we'll try to put out a final version sometime.

REALLY AWESOME! Can't image what will be released in the future. Water effect looks so cool!

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

Future?

@drzeissler

Жыл бұрын

@@JimLeonard next target ?

Utterly bonkers! 😎 Crazy cool!

Wow, some great scenes. I love the checkboard pattern at 02:00 and the twisting afterwards.

That's breathtaking

I wish it wasn't so nostalgia-oriented but... MIND BLOWN! It's not supposed to be able to do all that, yet, you achieved it. And with style, while at it!

Gorgeous.

The most impressive demo I've ever seen! Magic!

That is an in-f*cking-credible demo! Wow!

They delivered once again

That was absolutely incredible! I think you've proven what the unexpanded 5150 can do - so, maybe you're allowed to use an Adlib on the next one? :-D

@tituszbadonics6365

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a covox speech thingy

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

Nah, that would be cheating. ;-) But more accurately, it would slow us down. It takes way too long to update adlib registers.

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

Hm... maybe that can be an option for the final version... but maybe not, since that effect is cycle-counted exactly.

@Spaztron64

Жыл бұрын

@@JimLeonard OPL3 then? If memory serves me right, it's registers update much faster.

@shiru8bit

Жыл бұрын

@@JimLeonard there is always an option to get fancy, and support the CMS/Gameblaster next time!

I was watching the stream and had to go somewhere but this came on and needless to say I ended up being late so I could finish watching it. I should have known something was up earlier when I saw you appearing in Hellmood's pictures.

@JimLeonard

Жыл бұрын

Surprise!

So this is the demo you said you were working on! Good use of 6845 CRTC hackery. It's amazing what you can do to old hardware that doesn't double buffer it's hardware registers.

@Scalibq

Жыл бұрын

It does though. The real trick is to 'stack' frames on top of eachother with no vblank in between, so you can trick the hardware to refresh the hardware registers.

This is sick

Com pequenas limitações vem excelentes idéias. Efeitos, música, toda programação atrás desse demo. Vocês são incríveis.

Incredible demo and a true follow up to 8088MPH!!! Killer team of coders/artists/musicians too, truly cream of the crop. **proceeds to throw RTX 3080 into the garbage**

@reedmayhew18

Жыл бұрын

Right!? Insane seeing the progress! Keep up the incredible work! This makes me so happy to see!

Thinking about the program this quote comes to mind: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke

Just saw this today. Incredible, fantastic all from IBM 5150. It must have taken months to make. Thanks for sharing.

@JimLeonard

2 ай бұрын

It did, in fact, take months. Years, if you add up all the man-months.

This is so sick.

I wanted a PC IBM has a first computer, because at school I tried 'logo' programming (unlike with MacClassic I felt it might be easy but writting instruction is the way to go)... we got a Commodore 128 and no logo programming but Basic V7 and then assembly... Seeing these demos on the machine that I first wanted make me feel that although the demo scene was more active on C64... I am impress to see that actually the IBM PC with CGA graphic card could do better graphics than the C64!