I know Matt nor Ian will prob respond to me or talk to me lol but .. they are hands down thee ABSOLUTE UNDERRATED GOLF CHANNEL ON KZread. .. they need to be at 1 Million + .. class act, so smart, always teaching us .. so sick man .. I just got fitted, it was expensive, I wish I went to Toronto but .. I'm very happy with my Club Champion fitting, T100s Black Edition, Nippon Modus 120 Stiff, 115g for the SM8s!!!

@clubchampionmedia

3 жыл бұрын

We definitely will respond and talk to you 🤣🤣 thanks for the support

@dabaumga

3 жыл бұрын

@@clubchampionmedia The Lads are incredible about responding to their followers. Welcome aboard Gorilla S.!

@x_Gorilla

3 жыл бұрын

@@clubchampionmedia oh my God, I'm not used to people I look up to on YT respond like that !! sorry I misjudged.. just shows what class ya'll are, I subscribe to a lot - few I actually look forward to watching like you both - huge fan from Virginia, USA - what I'd do to do a fitting with you guys!! love ya'll!

@x_Gorilla

3 жыл бұрын

@@dabaumga you're right, I stand corrected - their the f'n best on YT hands down.

@MurphyGreg

3 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

Ian: "it's all about turf interaction" Also Ian: **clips one blade of grass**

@Ryan-fx7jx

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, he interacted with that one blade of grass very well

I'm so happy to see this and reinforce my own findings. I'm a high handicap beginner and I read all the reviews about GI irons and everything is saying "high launching," or "impossible to miss," etc. So I bought a relatively chunky iron hoping for the distance and higher ball flight. I couldn't hit the things off the fairways to save my life. I kept telling my dad that it felt like the clubs were dragging the turf instead of getting through the ball and the grass. I found a really nice Callaway Apex forged iron on ebay for cheap, so I gave it a shot. It was honestly a night and day difference in ball striking. I have no business playing that iron according to the marketing, but the results spoke for themselves. I strike it more consistently and the ball actually goes further than it did with my chunky Big Bertha irons on average. Once I get the opportunity to play more often, I'm looking forward to getting fit into more of a player's distance set to hopefully get the best of both worlds.

I've always stayed away from blades because I'm not a good enough player for them. However, every time I've tested blades I strike them better and more consistent than other clubs. Makes complete sense now. Thanks for the content!

Completely agree with this video topic. As an 18HC player, realistically I'm not a typical blade type player. But I have a very shallow angle of attack, and now play Mizuno MP18 SC over Ping G, as less turf gives a cleaner hit and ball flight. More club fittings should consider this, fortunately mine did

You guy are just outstanding. I learn so much watching. Really loved this one.

This is why I love TXG! Mythbusting with facts. You guys are awesome!

Would love to see a mid handicap fitting for this years Mizuno irons

these guys bring such consistent and pure content, love watching their videos! just saving up for my club fitting for next year at TXG!

Recently discovered the channel and a new sub; Really fantastic videos in a no nonsense format yet rich in technical information. Awesome! Keep them coming. I’m gaming the MP5 and while they humble me from time to time they spur me on to be a better player and keep the passion lite.

The feeling of cutting through the turf is something that I have missed and mentioned during fittings with no answer! Thank you for answering!

This was so informative thank you. I switched to blades when I hit 5 handicap and I thought it might be too early but that I could grow into them. Then I found that I actually played a lot better with them and was way more consistent and this video I think pretty much explains why. Thanks guys

3:40-4:20 should be a poster explaining to everyone the difference a "player" notices with soles in context of turf interaction. Perfectly explained

Every time I watch one your videos I learn something. Struggling with inconsistent strikes at the minute so don’t feel ready to be able to see consistent numbers. More range time required. Thanks guys. Every day is a school day with Ian and Matty boy

Good stuff. Just moved to TM RSI TPs that I managed to source as brand new heads only; fitted KBS shafts and now am getting the turf interaction that allows that compression and consistency...thanks guys!

this is gold , my miura blades are the best feeling most consistent irons ive ever hit , they are butter thin down at 3 iron but they are just unbelievable through the turf for me , every time i try someones irons ,player or game improvement i start chunking them and feel like im getting stuck through the turf , i just swing away with them , this is my second set of them , before that mp 18s and nike blades . with the wider soles i feel like i have to really concentrate and almost pick it off the top thin to get a good strike . i was starting to think i was mad . ive always played blades from day one , my old mans wilson blades ,then mcgregor blades , i think you get used to a certain look , you get better at ball striking out of necessity , stinging hands soon wears thin on cold mornings . great video guys as always .

Great content again guys. So much to think about when having a “correct” fitting. 👍🏼 Well done

Been really looking forward to this one. So well done as always. You guys are like having our own personal golf advisors :))

And this is why my next fit and every fit after will be with Ian!! Each and every video you gentlemen do is so insightful. I appreciate your attention to detail and covering so many great topics. I’ve struggled with other fitters I have been to regarding turf interaction. I think they assume as a lady golfer I should play a certain type of iron. Even as a scratch golfer!! It’s really quite annoying. I find the wide soled clubs to feel very chunky and slow at impact. They feel sloppy for me and harder to hit. So when Ian had the same experience it made me smile. I’m not losing my mind. Lol! I’m a player looking for consistency. Cannot wait for the Covid to take a hike and the border to reopen!! Ian and TXG will be my first stop for sure!! Cheers Gentlemen!! Keep up the outstanding content!!

This video perfectly summarized why I went from TM M4 irons to Mizuno MP-20's. Much more consistent distances and I'm able to take a shallow divot now. Great video.

Major Sole is the Ping G410 Irons. LOVE THEM!! I have dropped two clubs for distance, extreme launch and very little turf interactions. Would like more turf interaction but I know that has to do with my attack angle. I'm trying to sweep more but with more down ward motion at contact. You guys rock!! TY!!

I keep learning something new. Great job guys!

Thanks guys...... Your so right Ian! So much more important distance control

Love the content , so many little items that I’ve never really thought of when I got fit for my mavrik irons. Been doubting my choice a lot after trying the p790’s and sim irons. Really appreciate the thought provoking content

@jackvliet

3 жыл бұрын

If you're questioning your clubs you should try and sell yours and get the 790s or whatever you want

Great video. Best golf channel on youtube, no doubt. Thanks for the instruction guys.

This is something I was always curious about. Thanks for the great video!

Thanks for this. I always felt like I struggled with wider soles but kept telling myself I needed to move that way to help my game.

Just got fit by Ian into T100S , always liked thinner soles, hit them better than the P770, turf contact felt better with the T’s .... excellent info for everyone to think about

This makes a lot of sense! I had always thought I was crazy thinking these thinner soles were better through the grass for me, now I know. Whenever I've hit blades, or cavity backs with thin soles I have such an easy time getting through the grass. Even on a fat shot, the thinner sole isn't working as hard to get out of that turf. The difference in consistency of carry distance between the two is a huge thing, repeatable shots is consistent golf. Good work boys!

This video put a lot of things into perspective for me. A couple of years ago I got fitted for the Callaway Rogue Irons. While they were a vast improvement over the Strata box set irons I started with, I never quite got extremely comfortable with them. Like Ian mentioned with the thicker sole clubs, it always felt like I had to "pick" the ball. Fast forward a couple of years. I sent my fitting numbers along with some measurements over to Sub70. I went with the 699-Pros. I feel much more confident with the thinner sole, and the feeling that I'm going to chunk every shot is gone. Great video guys.

More great content. I’m a complete golf nerd and data geek and I would enjoy seeing video around sole and turf interaction for steep swings and shallow swings. Also how does lofts play a role for those swings. Seeing if shallow swings need stronger lofts to match yardages of a steeper swings. So many endless videos I could think of that I would love to see you guys do. Keep up the great work. We appreciate it

Really pure video. I can relate with my iron set - blade short irons and HMB long irons. I love my blades with a passion off the deck, but the HMB's I get really nervous with, and often thin them. Not quite sure what to do about it as the loft are right and I don't want to add offset... But this definitely confirms my feelings. Thanks again legends

I've always struggled to hit a wider sole club and now I know why. Thanks fellas 👍

@rtmiv2030

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, I thought that it was supposed to help you launch the ball higher. I played two days in a row and ditched my wide sole Pings for some thin sole clones I have and dropped 10 strokes in one day.... 91 to 81.

@Trump2024Kentucky

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the slightly wider soul Ping glide 4.0 but it certainly is an individual thing. The turf type you play (thicker, tight), the type of swing you have (steep/shallow), and the feel you are looking for as well. Not to mention if you like to open the wedge up around greens for specialty shots. I don’t do that very often.

Man this is not something I would ever think about and I've been fitted many times, does it ever end , great video once again boys

First time I've seen this discussed. I play Ping G25s which are very good but sometimes I feel there's just too much clubhead contacting the ground, especially when it's wet. I still have Ping i3s and an old set of Top-Flite Tour Titanium with much narrower soles, and they seem to make much cleaner contact with the ground as long as I'm not hitting down too much. I'm not currently shopping for new irons, but will keep your discussion in mind when I do. Guys keep talking about topics no one else seems to be addressing. Top notch.

Amazing video. You guys are the best in the business!

This video highlights perfectly why I love Mizuno MMCs. I grew up learning the game with a player's cavity-backed blade (Taylormade C300 Tom Lehman Miura) and I learned to strike irons with that width of sole. I had already purchased the 919 Mizuno Hot Metal Pros prior to trying the MMCs, learned to love them, but never got on with the 5 iron as the sole is too thick - I replaced it with a 'thinner' HMB. My next set will be a player's width sole with tech and slightly stronger lofts (MMC/T100s) type clubs

Awesome job showing and explaining. I was testing some Cobra one length recently and I definitely noticed different strike between the chunky F9/speedzone and the slimmer forged tec. Definitely had flashbacks to the TXG boys talking about turf interaction 👍

I was fit into the 919 Forged about 12 months ago, it's an incredible model the forged in my opinion even all the way back to JPX 825

Outstanding video. The videos are so informative.

Love this video! Just got fitted for the 921 forged

This video really speaks to my soul

Another awesome video guys! Wish I had seen this last year. Went from Rogues to Rogue Xs because they went farther and felt heavier. Hit them worse and couldnt understand why. Switched to Apex 19s (forged) and love them!

Its a great topic and you have explained it best way possible kudos ! 😀

Would like to see another high handicap fitting throughout, wedges to driver. Putter as well. Love the TXG experience.

I know you have gone to great lengths to get your indoor mats to replicate turf as closely as possible but there's nothing like the real thing and turf interaction with the club and the ball is so important, as this video so aptly demonstrated. It's a real shame your on-course season was curtailed this year but there's always next season. This outdoor filming adds another, important element to the information train. Looking forward to more of this good stuff. :-)

I always knew my irons were the weak link in my game, and thought that wide sole irons were the answer, but they did not improve my ball striking. Hearing Ian talk about sweepers needing thinner soles, improving my wrist action in the backswing, and an improved fitting for lie angle made a big difference. All of this knowledge came from TXG videos. I hope I can visit them in Toronto sometime.

This video and others you’ve made are so eye opening. I have made swing changes over the last few years, and I hardly take a divot any more. Playing Mizuno JPX900 Forged. I have enjoyed these clubs, yet have always hit them lower and has always felt a bit thin. Perhaps I do need a thinner sole. Getting fit for new irons soon, will definitely be taking this into consideration.

I've come to realize that I really should listen to you guys even though I'm admitting to myself that maybe I didn't know as much as I thought I knew.

Gee, another aspect to consider - I hope my pro knows all of that. Great content !!

Love the informative and clear concise information as always, don’t know how I’ve watched your videos for this long without subscribing! Brilliant work! Ps. Have you guys ever laid hands on any of the new Lynx irons? Thinking about trying them out for my next set as they’re cheap but have some pretty strong reviews.. they have your endorsement???

My first experience with this was purchasing a single Wilson Staff V6 7i off eBay while normally using irons that were much wider and more game improvement. I was so confused when I was striking the V6 better and more consistent. All makes sense now!

I’ve long thought this. I can’t get on with longer irons with wider soles - too much real estate!! Great video lads as I play Hot Metal Pros but have flirted with a move towards the forged at least. Keep up the good work.

The 921 Forged and the TM P770 might be the best selling irons in 2020.

Killin it!!! Love the swing ,, beautiful tempo I've said that before with your swing ,,, you definitely got it going on!!! Ty you guys for video ,, making me think now IAM a bogey golfer 17 HC about grabbing a better set of irons that's not so jacked up !!! Idk 🤔

I'm a mid handicapper playing with TM M2 irons and I really think they're holding my game back. I've always felt like a good downward strike with my irons feels like I'm slamming the grass instead of gliding through it. That makes me throttle back my attack angle and try to pick it clean and end up thinning it more often. I want to try either blades or something not as forgiving to see if my divots will improve and I can actually follow through the ground instead of feeling like I'm punching the earth in the face. Thank you for doing this comparison. It supports my suspicion and I'll look deeper into it.

These are the reasons why i play blades. It is also interesting to see the difference between soft and hard playing conditions, you could make a test there too, to show the soul width and bounce performance.

I sold my MP18 set purely because of the turf interaction. I am back to hitting my Srixon z745 irons while I save up for a fitting/new set (probably going to happen in early Spring). Great video, guys.

Very interesting I'm a high handicapper since I only really started golfing this summer but I have good speed and a decent swing from getting lessons definitely struggle with consistency in my irons and will keep this in mind when I get fit for the first time in a few years

Interesting. Last year i went from Ping G25 game improvement irons, which I bought when I stated playing, to JPX 919 forged. I never take a big divot with either, but my ball striking definitely improved after the change. I hadn't previously considered sole width as a possible reason.

Recently got fitted in the Netherlands by an acquaintance of yours Ian, Robert Wootton. Fitted me into the apex pro's. My shallow swing really benefitted from a narrower sole.

I cannot wait for my October fitting!

This video highlights a big conflict that I’ve always had. I’ve never broken 80 with any set of irons except a Mizuno 14 set that I had years ago. The shaft was totally wrong for me and I wasn’t a good ball striker, but I managed to score.Now, 20 years later, thanks in large part to TXG, I’m a much better ball striker. I’m playing JPX 919 Hot Metal Pros with my featherlight Zelos 7 shaft. But, I’m very aware of the heavy turf interaction. The conflict for me is how much I would give up in trajectory in exchange for better turf interaction.

considering ive just ordered new irons in aus. i should probably stop watching these videos cause they just make me anxious about my choice being correct or not. So much information. good job guys

Just got a set of 919 HMs and have started chunking the ball and mishitting far more often than with my previous set (dad’s 20 year old blades). I’d attributed it to just getting used to new clubs, but this helps to explain it. Wish I would have gone with the forged or HMPs...

Great video as always. I guess I have just gone in the opposite direction at least due to bounce on my irons, I got fitted for JPX919 forged and while they performed great for me indoors on the launch monitor, they were really poor out on course. Didn't get through the turf well and just dug into the ground deeper and deeper untill the club head stopped. This then lead to me thinning the ball more often as I was afraid to attack the ball. Switched to ping i210 and the sole bounce just works through the turf better for me. Looking at numbers online Ping are approx 8 degree of bounce on 7iron and Mizuno JPX are 2 degree for the same 7i club according to myspy? Definitely something I had not thought about inside on trackman, so get out on a course and try before you buy is an expensive lesson learnt for me!

@Trump2024Kentucky

Жыл бұрын

I like at least a mid thickness sole. I dig and stick the narrow ones. Almost the opposite of what happens with him. He is a much better and more consistent ball striker than I am however. I think it must be an individual thing for each player.

Excellent video on a topic I knew nothing about. The only thing I knew was that I didn't like a very wide sole but I had no real reason for thinking that apart from aesthetics. I currently use some very old Miz irons (MX23) but will think about upgrading in the early part of next year. The JPX21 forged looks a good candidate, perhaps blended with Hot Metal Pro in the longer irons.

Great video!

This is so true. I recently got T100S in 6-PW and LOVE them. Got the T200 for 5 iron thinking I could use the extra help. Hate it. Something about the wide sole and me just don't get along. I either thin it or I hit it really high on the toe. Currently deciding whether to buy the T100S 5 or maybe mess around with a sim max 5 hybrid.

The video is so important. The sole makes a big difference. That why you need to get fitted and try all types of clubs. I'm a 9 HC that was fitted into Srixon Z Forged MB's. Sure I could hit a lot of clubs further that I tried. But I was way more consistent with the MB's. It has transferred to the course even better.

I recently switched from a players distance iron to a players cavity back iron and it has made an immediate impact on my game. I'm a sweeper with a shallow angle of attack and the narrower sole has improved my ball striking immensely. Gone is the slightly heavy contact, gone is the jumpy long left miss, and distance dispersion has tightened up considerably. Ive lost almost a full club of yardage but I've eliminated almost all of my misses and I've gained a punch shot that I could never hit with the players distance. Not to mention the prov1 behaves so much differently now. I'm playing a whole new game that I never could before. Like Ian said, it's not always about distance and forgiveness.

This was very telling for me. I struggle with wide sole irons with consistency. Med width soles I tend to hit better. Along the lines of an Apex Pro dot, TM P7MC(on the way) or the Bridgestone J40 Dual pockets,. Took me a while to understand what works best for me. I recently sold a set of Bridgestone X-CB even though I loved the look and feel, the soles did just not work for me. Great video, really informative.

I moved to txg fitted Hot metal pros this year and it made a huge difference compared to my old G20's, much cleaner easier to hit shots. Dropped from 13.5 handicap to 9.5. The low bounce, smaller sole, no offset is awesome.

Loved the video! I'm one of the weirdos. Turf interaction is my number one concern. If I don't like my turf interaction, I feel like I can't strike a ball, even if it's in the middle of the clubface, the feedback just makes me feel like I'm all over the place. I've been fitted for great irons in the past, then gone to the course, and had to swap to a newer set because the interaction just didnt work for me.

Just the video i was hoping you would be doing! Currently looking at new clubs because i do not like the turf interaction i am getting from my current set. I am actually throwing my MP-30's back in the bag because of how my PXG's interact with the turf. Now if you guys do a video that talks about when to add length to a club to bring the strike towards the center vs adjusting lie angle, or when to do the combination of the two, that would be amazing.

It would be interesting to do this with someone who needs a wide sole to show that it is important to get fit rather than a conclusion that someone may make that narrow is better than wide. Great video again

Ground interaction was a big thing in my fitting. I got fit for a jpx 919 combo set (4-5 forged 6-p tours) I like the feel of the tours going through the ground but I got a hair scared of top line in long irons (losing confidence) so fitting put me in combo. Now close to 2 years later I wish I had went with tours all the way threw cuz feel going threw the ground from 6 iron in tour to 5 iron in forged because how different feel is.

This is a brilliant video lads great job keep it up! Any chance of a video like this but with a mid handicapper with high swing speed, like a baseball player or hockey player who's taken up the game late? I've started golf in the last couple of years and I feel like my power is a hindrance at times with the difference in distance the ball goes with my beginner irons

The JPX 921 Forged seems like it could be the best combination of forgiveness, distance, turf interaction and feel.

@jackvliet

3 жыл бұрын

I just got fitted for the 921 forged and I am sooo excited to get them in.

@seanr1899

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackvliet I am on the fence between what I think i need and want. Wanting the forged but thinking i should be a hot metal. Plan to get fitted this month. But this video is interesting about how I feel I dont like taking big divots and possibly needing less wide sole.

@jackvliet

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanr1899 you need to get fitted, I thought he would put me in big game improvement irons, but it seems like everyone can benefit from a small good looking club head that feels good.

Always love your technical videos, what about the MP20’s vs 921 forged?

very interesting information

I've just swapped out JPX919 irons out for Apex Pro 19. I make much better contact and cut through the turf. Here in Australia the soil is sandy, dry and often very firm. I was hitting thin shots alot with Srixon Z545 and JPX919. I remembered how well I struck my Taylormade Rac lt irons previous and how they were smaller with a thinner sole. I took the Apex's out and instantly was more confident and getting penetrating flights.

Would love to see a review on Ping G410 irons what you think of them. How they compare to other wide soles / game improvement and tour level clubs.

Real observation here Ian. Turf interaction looked minimal from the camera view. Placing the ball directly behind a previous divot, I don't think your really testing the sole. Because your swing is bottoming out in the previous divot. I think you should have moved the ball around a bit. The reason I noticed is because I hit balls directly behind a divot on the practice range. With my steep delivery there is less shock to my hands with my wilson v6's, especially if the turf is dried out. I hope you read this!

GReat content boys.. I’m more of a “digger” with my mid-short irons. From what ive seen the Ping i210’s have a lot of bounce and a very forgiving sole for all of their irons ... Curious to see how the JPX 921 Forged will compare to the i210’s and/or their replacement irons.

Hi, Matt/Ian, loving all the videos, especially all the technical stuff. Question, why is turf interaction so important when surely the ball has already gone before you hit the turf?

I still don’t think I understand the player profile who’s best for the wide sole. But I’m definitely considering a smaller thinner head now. Great stuff.

I just picked the game back up after a big weight loss and have been trying to find my swing again I have always been a bit of a picker on my strikes i bought some Jpx 900 irons but was recently fitted for the 919 hm pro and I hit them better and feel the sole helps but I could be wrong.

Hey guy’s love the video as always. Had an idea or question. Getting back into Golfing and so my Wife wants to start as well. Nice family activity. Is their any way you could get a female golfer on the channel and do some videos like you do with Matt? Looking for a beginner pair of clubs for her but not junk beginner clubs. Keep the videos coming 👍

As a mid handicapper, I just did a 180. I'll be seeing my TGX Fitter with an open mind!

This is a great video, thank you so much for explaining this piece of the fitting puzzle. Been over 10 years since I was fitted for my Ping i10 irons. Yeah, I have old irons but I love them and don't have the cash for new ones at the moment. However, when I go in for my next fitting, how could I use this information about sole width to help with blending a set of irons? Thank you.

I struggle to hit down on the ball. Your channel inspired me as a new golfer to get custom fit for clubs. I barely scrape the ground and do not really take a divot. How does sole width come into play for someone like me?

"80 percent, 90 percent will funnel into Hot Metal Pro or Forged." Most of the rest of us are lefties. 😢 But the video is spot on. I'm a 20-handicap with a horribly inconsistent swing, but I was fit for Apex 19's after trying every GI iron on the shelf. I'm no Bryson, but I have enough speed where clean contact (on my good swings) is more important than extra help getting the ball airborne.

Interesting thoughts. I have hit ping irons and not liked them, I thought it was in my head that they had so much bounce compared to my old MP 63s.

Such an interesting topic, great video! Would there be any potential issues with sole and turf interaction when going 2 degrees strong on a thin sole club like the new P-7MC?

I still play Mp59s and play links courses - so narrow sole and hard turf. In the 3i slot I have a srixon zu85 - from the tee its great but sometimes have issues with the wide sole off the turf

That delivery is so different to mine. SGI irons always feel like they are knuckling for me. Pre-Ground soles are easier to control. If I was starting over I'd def go SGI again tho.

Thank you so much for this guys! I've always struggled with wider soles and never really understood why. My assumption was always that since I took a divot wider would be better but this video explained a lot.

Intéressant!

Really useful video. I'm right now thinking about the forged or the HMP. I'm a sweeper om 18 going downwards in HCP. Realy feel like my Cobra Max irons gets suckade into the grass when I hit them. Have 46 and 52 RTX4 wedges and hit them much better and really prefer that clean feel. What should I choose? Great vid as Always, thanks