Waves has brought back the perpetual licenses. You all have spoken and they listened

@ShotByTWade

Жыл бұрын

I was just finna comment lol

@bertalx44

Жыл бұрын

Or it was just cynical marketing...

@FreddyFaith

Жыл бұрын

I was finna start tweaking lmao, all my waves licenses are perpetual.

@bydez4260

Жыл бұрын

That was fast!😂😂😂

@JTAITSINGER

Жыл бұрын

Yezzir!

Waves was about to be on that "one gotta go" list permanently 😆😆😆

@AVDRE

Жыл бұрын

hahahaha thats funny

@JTAITSINGER

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@najee2123

Жыл бұрын

Lmao 😂 why is everyone on the same page 📄

@douglascoty2494

Жыл бұрын

🤣

If waves feels like they aren’t being valued they should incorporate a rent to own model, alongside subscription, and perpetual licensing. As far as updates, I think they should bake that into the price to at least cover 3-4 years.

We made enough noise ! I just got an email saying license plugins are coming back !! Yes sir !!!

Crazy they just walked back the subscription model. We are the change

@priiintplayzz6219

Жыл бұрын

I saw that what does that mean thou ? Engineers like us that already bought the plugins will have the ability to keep using them and not be forced into the subscription model ?

@KingKasper

Жыл бұрын

@@priiintplayzz6219 yep exactly 💯

@priiintplayzz6219

Жыл бұрын

@@KingKasper Let’s get it !!

Grab the HMD ROSETTA EQ: helpmedevvon.com

This joint broke the internet yesterday, lol !! They opened our eyes tho. I’m still looking for alternative plug-ins just in case.

@graykeyzmusic

Жыл бұрын

imo, there are some replacements, however some are also are subscription models... Slate Digital and Plugin Alliance... Softtube (crazy expensive) and lastly T-rackS 5...

You could hear it in my voice I was crying that morning🥲

@lukashiu2524

Жыл бұрын

I pray for you my brother. Hope you get a check from waves

@Itsanasmusic

Жыл бұрын

They done fucked up bad with this shit 😒

This raises the conversation about simply owning the plugins we use & the comment about using stock plugins plugins is valid. Makes me reconsider the plugins I use & companies I choose. (Plus the value in having rendered stems for songs, cuz we already have problems enough loading old sessions)

Hey Devvon you know what's crazy? That I went and checked the studio verse vocal chains and non of them come even close to that studiorack vocal chain I bought a while ago from ya. Your audio engineering knowledge is divine! you're like the Tony Stark of audio no cap!

Yesss I was waiting for yall to talk about this! Best podcast for the music nerds heh

@HelpMeDevvon

Жыл бұрын

Thank u!!

Just so everyone knows, they folded lol, perpetual licenses are coming back 🙌

Wassup guys. I’m in school for audio engineering and new to the space. This podcast is life

I can’t wait until tomorrow to see another installment of the My Audio Needs Podcast!! Happy Waves is back, but it’s like a girlfriend that broke up with me abruptly, gave me enough time to see what else was out there and to meet someone else new that I love, but now their back wanting to work things out.

This was a good church session. Brother Courtney to my right. Best podcast for bother information and entertainment. Also, I can see if they stayed with their subscription package. I feel like everyone would say bump the subscription companies we either will use our stock plugins or plugin companies or Individuals with great products.

Thank God they listened!!!

I did two videos on this issue with Waves on my channel too. It's Gonna take some time for their loyal customers to return. They have shown twice that they are more worried about money than providing quality products to their customers. First with the update plan price implementation, and second with the subscription roll out. We will see how this pans for them as a company moving forward.

this so much better than anything on tv

For me, a fairly fresh costumer of any plugin company or audio company this sub model was actually a great way to get all the things that I wanted. Especially watching your vids, you use a lot of waves plugins, and most time I can't really find alternatives cheaply or maybe freely if I just want to try it out. The solution was to buy all of them, but that's months of progress and loads of money to get all that I would say is needed, to even download a vocal preset and being able to use it. So for me, I got a lot of value by just subscribing for the 15 dollar plan. Ofc that's the perspective of a new guy, and I get all the people saying how bad it is for the industry.

@ikusa6382

Жыл бұрын

Plug-in alliance is great too and they give you credits each year to go towards buying perpetual licenses so you can get the ones you really like

Prayers for our brothers in these dark times🖤

Actually, I like the new subscription plan. The reality is you've never BOUGHT those plug-ins... You've only been leasing them. So every year you have to pay a fee to keep them operational and updated. Over the years I... so-called.... purchased several waves plug-ins. 30 some were bundled ... So each year I had to pay $240. To the waves update plan.... Well, my next update plan payment is due this coming September. So... instead of paying the update plan fee, I'm going to opt for the Subscription fee costing $250. .. That way I'll have ALL the Waves plugins at my fingertips

The DAW wars ended for one episode as we came together as audio nerds for the greater good 🙏🏿

been waiting on this one

Ironically, cracked plugin users were sleeping soundly while payinng customers were stressed for their futures.

At this point I might just go back to my crack version 😂

@robertbenardo586

Жыл бұрын

😅

@joegez7

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbenardo586 was tryna be a good boy but at this point we have no choice but to crack the shit out of it 😂😂😂😂 Cuz I ain’t fina get rubbed

Definitely for it. I’d have to pay 250 at once, for the WUP on the Horizon bundle plus the other single plugs I’ve purchased. With the new Ultimate bundle, I have access to the entire catalog for only 25 each month. It’s almost the same money for a whoooole lot more. I win. I get why people were pissed. The way they broke this out is sheisty period. They did what they need to do to fix it.

They listened thank god!

Great conversation about this topic!

Love Y’all

Early on in my Audio Engineering career I bought the Waves Gold bundle, then slowly added more and more waves plugin simply because of how cheap they were compared to some of the other big names. Since then I have already had to pay for update plans from when I switched from PC to Mac. At that time I didn't even use many waves plugins anymore but you still have to update the entire gold pack for the few plugins you may want. Nowadays the only waves plugins I use are CLA-76 and Rvox. I only even use the CLA-76 for tracking cuz it's much lower latency than the UAD76s which I find to be much more responsive (got rid of my apollo and now use a satellite thats why I don't have zero latency tracking with UAD plugins). At the end of the day after all this with the waves sub I would rather use stock plugins to track then pay monthly just to have the CLA-76 that I paid like $50 for in the CLA compressors pack smh.

@Billy_bSLAYER

Жыл бұрын

The UAD 1176 is now available for native (CPU), which you get for free, since you ALREADY OWN IT.

I think it's likely that the sales they usually have on plugins will either disappear or become less frequent, this could be their way to still offer perpetual licenses but sway you towards the subscription (obviously an opinion after the have brought the perpetual licences back)

The way he cut him off at the end 🤣 BLA-2A 🤣

What would have been cool, would have been a subscription where you could have chosen plugins separately for 1 (normal) or 2$ (premium) per plugin. And then offered big plans that make sense or a rent to own subscription like Plugin Alliance where you once a year is over get a voucher to spend in value you gave on your favourite plugins...

The crazy thing is that waves was already doing subscriptions before with their gold and silver bundles. If it wasn't working before this definitely isn't going to now

My man cort just sitting there like, is it my turn to talk 😅

I swear I heard y’all previous podcast talking about waves and if they went to subscriptions and now look at them 😂😂😂 dangggg!!!

That UAD perfect timing comment had me weak 😆

And I think I''ve seen your preset in this studioverse thing Devvon, S/O u

I had a ton of Waves plugins but my update plan was more than this subscription. It was fine to me. Lol

straight up ,,, the more money someone has spent on waves in the past,, the worse a deal the new subscription model is for you.

Good that Waves back tracked cuz we were about to start SMOKING that WAVES PACK.

I can understand all the views brought to the table. Speaking only for myself, I started migrating from Waves about 5 years ago when I first got hit with the plan renewal. At that point I had amassed a great deal of plugs through the sales and volume discounts. For many of us when Waves first came into the game with the high $$$ plugins and bundles, we jumped at the opportunity to get our most sought after titles for cheap. Everyone bashes UAD for the price of their plugs, but I bought my first Apollo interface in 2018, buying into that ecosystem via discounts and holiday sales. I’m running the latest software ( as MacOS or hardware changes) with no added cost. And the DSP based plugs that have become native, I get free. 🤔They may cost a bit more, but they are mine. Waves still has some “special” utility plugs like Smack Attack and Torque that I still use, but as soon as an alternative is available I will replace those. As one that’s not largely affected, it’s mostly from the decision to start replacing all the Waves plugs I use regularly. Good luck everybody🫡

Im all for the "new innovative" way to get plugins, but I actually enjoy looking on sites and discovering and learning about old or new plugins. I like the feeling of getting excited about a particular plugin that may be $200 and up or your cheaper plugins all the way down to the free ones. But full on paying for subscription to use plugins is not the move.

All need each other wave!!!

it's def a great idea for commercial studios. I'm glad they listened to the community tho.

They are bringing it back we're just now waiting for them to update it in the system. But when I found out this shit I was hurt from a long time customer stand point. I spent thousands with WAVES and for them to take away my ownership of the plugins I've purchased, for them to just try and steer me on this subscription path is complete bullshit. I really believe they should have considered the feelings of long time customers and the new generation coming in.

Never ever again another penny from me for Waves

The real issue for me is they already charge to update plugins I own! Then force me into subscription with no other alternative it was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I left waves and won't return until they get an alternative for not charging for updates now. No other company charges me for updating something I own.

But they have the perpetual license back. So you can buy and update along side of subscibtions

They should offer 1 or 2 year for free for loyal/old clients. I'm starting to migrate to other companies more "trusty"even if the offer me a SUBSCRIPTION PLAN, I'll prefere to change if waves don't compensate me for the THOUSANDS of euros I spent during these 15 years with them. Period! I can't imagine me to pay a SUBSCRIPTION PLAN to have ALL of their plugins IF I ALREADY HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THE PLUGINS. Doesn't make any sense. My ride with waves will end here. Thanks for your video.

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Waves brought back perpetual licenses. I do think the the engineer templates in Studiorack in the Studioverse subscription is a game changer for people who don't mix well.

Fantastic pod as usual , just wondering is the mixing competition coming back ?

@HelpMeDevvon

Жыл бұрын

Yes very soon!!

I still can not get on here site to purchase plug-ins unless I agree to there new plans. I have been researching alternative plug_ins as there are PLUG_INS just as good if not better. And better yet they do not charge for updates so as a small studio I am in the process of getting ready to delete Waves From my DAW

I feel like when ya'll spoke on this ya'll gave them the idea.

UPDATE PLAN STILL NEEDS TO GO!!! Rebuying the same plugin over and over is stupid!! I have never paid to update a waves plugin yet but at some point they force you to do it. At that point, I'm gone!

But what's crazy is that most plugins cost more than the DAW. I don't like the subscription deal. It's like this, people are being forced into it, and once they make it the norm, the subscription prices are going to become sky high leaving you with no choice but to pay whatever they will be asking for.

How about the big households join in a common/affiliate program where you select x amount of various plugins for a personalised subscription bundle. Companies win their monthly fee and we as customers would have custom work templates without these challenges.

On the one hand, user claim to only be working with a few waves plugins, yet they are paying hundreds of dollars per year to update, so they must be using quite a few waves plugins. The subscription plan, on its own is not a major issue, if you did not buy 100 plugins with updates beforehand. I bought three plugins so I welcome the subscription plan.

As a current subscriber to the previous waves subscription, I completely felt for the ones who spent 100s of money into the company because since I was using the platinum subscription they gave me six months free because of the change. I feel the favoritism.

I'm studying at audio production and engineering uni and when my teacher said that he uses Beringer, I left the class, no cap😂

Also, what plugins do we actually even need? Plugins for me are in two categories. 1) What real-time, low latency plugins I need for tracking and 2) What types of post-processing plugins I actually need. For 1) I lean on UAD & my tracking hardware. For 2) It’s worth it to commit to the use of tools that actually do what I need to do. Plugins used to be difficult & rewarding technology. Now it just seems like a cheap candy shop. Anyone can make a saturation plug-in that sounds different. But how to make a plug-in that works and interfaces effectively (cue the conversation again about DAW’s doubling down in the quality of their stock plugins)

Letss GOOO

nahh the way you started this podcast i thought someone died ft

can somebody help me my studiorack cant show the waves plugins after i scanned for the vst plugins

Lj looking fire

Can y’all do an episode explaining what your thoughts are on AI and music

CEO: “who didn’t send the email?”

I thought the whole joint a great April fools joke. But I still got waves plug ins that are v9 and some v12, guess perks of pc. Last time I was forced was when pro tools was like F yall we use aax now. That's the last audio world outage. Side note team studio one now.

They brought back the license!!!!!

I heard Warren Huart say "I use this plugin as sort of a stock plugin" when using Waves' EQ plugins🤣

So hold up I can’t use my waves plugin dat I brought all ready?

I feel like if you are going to try to push it at least market it towards that and get feed back from that so you won’t make a mistake in the long run… I feel like it was just dropped on all of us so it made things worse

If I tend to use only 10% of their Repertoire, I don't wan't to pay for 100% of their Plug-In Range. So, maybe a Subscription Plan that allows the User to choose 10 or 20 Plug-Ins, that he wants to use and then just pay like 10% of the Current Subscription Plans, it would make more Sense for the User. And I think it would also work for Waves as a Company.

@gthcstudios

Жыл бұрын

Currently you get 220 Plug-Ins for round about 250,- €/$ per Year. What if I only need 20 Plug-Ins and I'm willing to pay 25,- or 30 €/$ per Year?

They are not allowing upgrades from perpetual licenses for bundles anymore. Not pleased with this. I wanted to purchase the rest of the mercury and now you have to buy the entire bundle over again at full price.

Plain and simply put...Waves should do a better job of showing loyalty to their customers who have shown loyalty by investing in buying their plugins previous to the subscription model.

kourtney high af LOL

Technically what they're doing is stealing. We bought something under some terms and conditions like a "perpetual" (like never-ending). This breaches the contract previously advertised where licenses were sold.

Aye, WAVES tore they draws with me man... its goes deeper than just some plugins bruh. To devalue my dollar, just because a company mismanaged its resources... don't mean me, as an end-user should have to carry the load or pay for their mistakes.

Does the new change mean that people like us that already bought the plugins will still get to use them without subscribing?

thinking about it. they should have done a rent to own.

Bruh you could here it in LJ’s voice that he is not with this shit. No more CLA Gtr 😂

Imma start making my own plugins 🙄

You would also be paying for something that you never end up owning. And you pay more in the long run. It benefits the company more than anyone else

I can use your templates with wave plugins now lol

Im Against. People should have the choice...choose between a subscription or fully paid plugins

Glad I got a cracked version of the latest waves 🌊 😎

@noboyz4554

Жыл бұрын

I know right they stupid why pay for what you can have for free forever I built a million dollar studio o cracked plugins I never paid for not one plugin and I got them all I have waves new version cracked they ain't getting a dime

@troytrain7461

Жыл бұрын

🚨👮‍♂ 🤣

@DigitxlRxse

Жыл бұрын

@@noboyz4554 they definitely not now 💀💀💀💀

@DigitxlRxse

Жыл бұрын

@@troytrain7461 I’m just saying 💀

Only mfs upset are the ones who ain't been crackin that shit. And thats why we crack because the companies repeatedly demonstrate that they don't give a flying fadoodle about us💯

They gonna be at namm?

I promise itll come back and become the norm… I remember when people were outraged about dlc(video games), then after a while it became the norm. There’s always pushback until its not.

i can't work with waves anymore, it feels like they disrespected those who've helped build them. even after apologies, some things just can't be undone.

I love to own my plugins. But The option Rent to own should be for the major plugins like Native Instruments Bundle plugins, Arturia plugins, or others that are more than 100 dollars. Then plugins like arcade, loop cloud and slice is amazing example for the Subscription needs. I can't stand that WAVES tried to go to the Subscription way. Not even DAWs should go to that level. I have stopped getting plugins. I am about stock plugins.

Saddest episode ever 😢

This eps. Was recording just a little too soon because they went back to the old model and included the subscibtion model if you want!

@HelpMeDevvon

Жыл бұрын

Thats ok cause at the end of the day i believe that the conversation about the whole thing is still very valid and necessary!

@brettjr9521

Жыл бұрын

@@HelpMeDevvon absolutely because this conversation and other brought change! Now if the rest of life's issues could be solved by listening to the community then things would be better! We appreciate you Devvon. You deserve your flower my dude!

Tbh they could've made the plug-ins "normal" price. Like when it says "usually $199 now $29.99😂 and then have the option to subscribe

Easy fix run both models. Just follow PA structure, everyone happy.

Next Adobe!!!

i was on my way to buy clarity vx....fuck!

Don’t lie, Waves had everyone shook for a minute!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

We are sick of it. Let's start a movement. . Media influencers should make it a point to stop reviewing subscriptions or urge their followers to not use subscriptions. Offer alternatives to em. The manufacturers will get the message. Most of us are struggling musicians. We all want to own our software