Lol, Robin DiAngelo got Michel Martin to stifle a laugh and adjust her glasses with the example defensive quote, "I'm not racist; I'm from Boston."

@coquitlamfalcons3976

2 жыл бұрын

@@Browne7100 Exactly. It's not your word, it's your act!

@tammystockley-loughlin7680

2 жыл бұрын

The daily show just did a episode on was Boston racist? Unfortunately a lot of folks are unaware of what is happening around them. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself

Critical thinking.....the OTHER national deficit.

@emptyvessel3054

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao buddy that's a human deficit. It's why we're in this mess.

@V_Hayden7

2 жыл бұрын

@@emptyvessel3054 Agree but America seems to have cornered the market in this dept. 57th in global ranking now with half the population living in an alternate reality. I feel like I'm living in a never-ending episode of the Twilight Zone!!

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

@@V_Hayden7 Agreed.. lots of Biden supporters still... he has clearly lost it

@kimjohnson8471

2 жыл бұрын

Mic drop!

I’m weary of the word “diversity.” The local newspaper listed my neighborhood as one of the most diverse in Reno. It’s not diverse; it’s a reservation, 100% Native!!

@Magnulus76

2 жыл бұрын

It runs the risk of turning diversity into a "polite" code word for "brown people". People can still demean or patronize you, after all, using the most politically correct terms.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

Celebrate diversity: Choose people on MERIT.

@filrabat1965

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree, independent of ideology. As for "most diverse", there's several bases on which you can measure that one, primarily geographic. Diverse compared to what baseline? The Nation? State? County/Metro? A hypothetical rural Upper Midwest county that's 4% Black, 4% Hispanic 1% Native American and 1% Asian/Pacific Islander may be diverse by rural upper midwest standards, but that still leaves 90% who are NonHispanic White - hardly a kaleidoscope of ethnicity by national standards. I say the most truly diverse places are where all the largest three or four ethnicities are more or less even in raw numbes.

@honeybadger1847

2 жыл бұрын

@Magnulus76 Exactly!!

@honeybadger1847

2 жыл бұрын

@David Lafleche What does this have to do with my comment?!? “Diverse” now means black or brown, which isn’t diverse at all. If you only planted corn, would your garden be diverse?

this topic was covered by Malcolm X and Martin Luther King on the dangers caused by white liberals and some of these "progressives" . in fact white liberals seem to want to control the focus of minorities in social struggles. This is why we can support each but we need to control our own destiny. We are not all the same and that is OK also.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍🏻

@TheBullFather_ofAll

Жыл бұрын

Great post..so good hear the sweet and clear ring of truth. It's been so long without it in these muddy woke waters.

3:40 The exhaustion! Whew chile! I felt that in my spirit. I find white professional environments EXHAUSTING beyond expression. 😅 It's this weird undercurrent where you have to smile all day and act excited about everything and bring crazy energy to everything in a way that is unnatural and superficial.

@ddrebrne3336

2 жыл бұрын

@Gwendolyn Williams : You hit it right on the head! This 'left' 'right' bullshit has a common denominator that many don't want to admit, hence their panic over CRT.

@danielleb7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddrebrne3336 This is one type of exhausting & toxic behavior from white people but all of you live and breath this culture of whiteness in America. I can tell you’re getting sidelined & excited about going after the “left.” This all manifests itself differently within various white environments. White conservatives are also uber fake “nice” & passive aggressive, but it’s got a real “religious” vibe to it. Just as toxic. And conservatives are actually panicking over CRT.

@deborahlee63

2 жыл бұрын

Polite Reminder it drains you.

@thorazine0076

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielleb7416 You said a lot, without saying anything of substance. Robin DiAngelo is a complete narcissist and culturally power hungry academic. Her view of CRT divides us according to our race, sex and stereotypes by physical characteristics. It breaks down every human interaction as the oppressors vs the oppressed. It removes any individual's independent thinking and any belief that any one person may have against racism. It judges by virtue of race or sex and labels that individual as inherently racist, sexist or oppresive even claiming it is done unconsciously and pushes for compliance, racial guilt and segregation. Her theories defy the logic of Critical Thinking theory and violates the principal of formal logic creating many false analogies in her lectures.

@ProkofNY

2 жыл бұрын

Could it be, perhaps, that you are an introvert and are exhausted by the energy of extroverted individuals? This happens to me all the time. I do think introverts and extroverts come in all races.

I find it funny Angelo avoids talking about Italians being discriminated against too because they are indeed Latin…and many look middle eastern.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't fit her narrow narrative

@nancyfancy1956

4 ай бұрын

Xenophobia but not racism with Italians who are very racist against blacks also.

"Listen to minorities." "No, wait, not *those* minorities dammit."

@elaineburnett5230

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, and sadly appropriate.

@DoomRulz

2 жыл бұрын

@@elaineburnett5230 unfortunately. Only listen to minorities that think the way we want them to, so sayeth DiAngelo

@ProkofNY

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, not so long it was racist to make communities into monoliths.

So, so, woke.

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

And idiots who can't think critically for themselves fall for her cult message.

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

aka 'fake woke'

Sounds like quite the ghost hunt

I'm in my 50s and back in my 20s I spent time in s/w Oklahoma...during an day off work function with families invited, I was in line for food, making conversation with the lady behind( white lady in her 50s, wearing a big cross necklace), I waved to my coworker's wife, Shirley and was asked how I knew her...also did I know that she took "mixed kids " at her home daycare?...I admit pausing to process that...and then I asked her if that was so their parents could go to work?? I was glad to escape...talked to John , he recognized her description and stated that she ought to burst into flames, wearing the cross and being so judgmental and unkind. They were both very progressive and I was glad to not feel alone. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment here.. sadly the racist black women who flock to this channel to get their biased, its never out fault, nonwhite female bias news wont thumb your comment up because it has unity at the end ...

Wish she would talk more about how to address the “deeply vested interest” because that’s what cements ongoing racism.

@Melinamiu007

2 жыл бұрын

@@Browne7100 right. Just didn’t point out how to address this.

@zinaj9437

2 жыл бұрын

Let me help you...Follow the money.

@jaydiddat2127

2 жыл бұрын

@@zinaj9437 and who got the money? They R a small group and not hard to identify

@Melinamiu007

2 жыл бұрын

@Gwendolyn Williams oh i know that very well. I have met several of these kids that already look at me with contempt - for existing. I know their parents have ingrained them well.

The Author is describing Canada.. it's notorious for "nice racism"

@troyedwards8863

2 жыл бұрын

The U.S. has a monster amount of nice racism. No place is immune to it!!!

The passive-aggressive racism she speaks of was a reoccurring problem that shocked me when I went to live in what I thought would be an urban culture in the US. I found it extremely segregated and...weird AF; totally demoralizing.

@philipb2134

2 жыл бұрын

Felt that in PRChina. Sometimes it was official.

@TRex-dd4ze

2 жыл бұрын

to really understand the history of all this, you should read Pat Buchanan's book The Death of the West. An audiobook is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hI5pzpqYhLTTl6Q.html

@MAYK1NG

2 жыл бұрын

@Martin Pospisil The reason it shocked me is because I had moved from a very urban, multi-cultural developed nation and expected to find a somewhat similar environment. Not only was this terribly inaccurate but, the people in the area were deluded in thinking they were in some 'hip, liberal enclave'. I haven't lived in many places across the US, but the only multicultural place I found was NYC which...I mean, there is only one of those, no?

@TRex-dd4ze

2 жыл бұрын

@@MAYK1NG hmm "multi-cultural developed nation"? I believe you mean that, but I think, to be as direct but as kind as I can be, you are mistaken. No nation is multicultural, by definition. And a bunch of nations living within the same territory to this degree is brand new. It certainly doesn't define a place. And that is regressive, not developed. So where you are from is likely a place with the rooted population that is the nation of that land and then a bunch of newcomers and their children. I have traveled in Europe and you see the local people and then immigrants. It's not like every family member in each family is of a different ethnicity or race making some rainbow, and there is definitely conflict between the locals and the newcomers. So I highly doubt you come from some liberal utopia. That doesn't exist.

@TheBullFather_ofAll

Жыл бұрын

Aka...incompetency..blame others for invisible oppression.

I've read Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility". It's hands down one of the worst books that I've ever read. I'm currently reading Kendi's "How to be an AntiRacist" and it's in 2nd play for worst book I've ever read. But at least there are some elements that are historically true. I follow his tweets however, and he really isn't that bright. Neither one of them are intellectuals by any stretch of the imagination unless you are stuck under a rock without access to authors who are real intellects and think at a critical level. These 2 are nothing but race grifters making millions from book sales, corporate, academic teacher union lectures and from white liberal billionaires. That's how you know they and the woke are full of crap.

@jillsalkin7389

2 жыл бұрын

She seems fake to me. There is something disingenuous about her.

@velinabrown2708

2 жыл бұрын

What are some resources and scholars whom you respect that are addressing dismantling racism in this country?

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@velinabrown2708 Start with Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay's book "Cynical Theories". And then "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele. Go to Jacobin's youtube channel and look up interviews with Adolph Reed. Here's a couple to get you started: The first one starts at marker 45:18. The 3rd one starts at 56:30 kzread.info/dash/bejne/oJZ3mpOhl63fnZs.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXWFy9drdbfNnJM.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yp96ttaLY5fJlc4.html

@giuseppemendoza6898

2 жыл бұрын

@@velinabrown2708 Definitely not those racist bigots.

@TheBullFather_ofAll

Жыл бұрын

I bet Kendi is offended that Robin's hair is growing whiter and whiter.

The nice racism is the most dangerous

@willardaustria

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, way more dangerous than lynchings. I'm sure Emmett Till agrees with you.

I heard that Italians were not "white" in America before 1924. Does that make sense?

@kathrynwharton2236

2 жыл бұрын

Kind of. They were mostly Catholic and not from Northern Europe. Another ethnically that was flooding the US. IMO the Irish weren’t white enough for a long time, as well.

@joymosley8997

2 жыл бұрын

Neither were a lot of people's groups that immigrated to the US from Europe.

@artishealthy8792

2 жыл бұрын

Even Irish...look some documentary about "Whiteness" on youtube,you will get the history about it at least in America.

Had to google "is Robin DiAngelo racist" after listening to this.

@farflownfalcon1076

Жыл бұрын

The answer is yes, by her own admission and by her peddling of racist ideology.

Everyone in the world is implicitly biased against those who do not look like them or share their culture. It’s human nature. Study after study after sociological study bears this out.

1990s me: a single working woman, I'd lived in Oakland for many years. One chilly Saturday in March, I found: two little kids left out all day in the rain to hang around, no waterproof jackets, no money for food, throwing litter into Lake Merritt .....I was out for a jog, young, idealistic, spotted them kicking at the geese, told them to knock it off, gave them a bird lecture and marched them back to my apt. to stand near the radiator for a dry-off. They were drenched, smelly and looked utterly worn out. The little fellow had sticky eyes and gunky teeth. Twelve (girl) and 5 (boy) walking into my middle-class apt (everything 2nd hand) & reacted like it was Versailles. They sat as quiet as mice and didn't touch a thing while I scrambled 6 eggs, 1/2 loaf whole wheat into the toaster. Devoured butter, peanut butter, jam and bananas. They drained a quart of milk. They were absolutely ravenous. Sister offered everything first to little brother...she was like a little mum...broke my heart. (Remember how we needled the baby in the family? not this girl...she guarded baby brother like a hawk.) I wanted so badly to stick the little guy in a hot bath and tuck him into bed for a nap.....he was so dirty, quiet and lethargic. Where's mother? at Ross. Dad? shrug. I drove them partway home--she didn't want me going all the way into their neighborhood. So I dropped them on a corner by Park. The 5 year old had never been in a car; she'd never been across the Bay Bridge; neither knew how to click the seatbelts in; I had never encountered that level of poverty. I told them to come back. I gave them my info (have your ma ring me; she never did.) The following Saturday, they pressed my buzzer. We went to the library. Every Friday night for the next month, I ran to the market, stocked up (per my mother in Boston - ha!)...who supervised the menu (no soda or chips!) and ordered me to fix them chicken salad, meatloaf, soup, bananas, oranges, omelets, rice pudding and oatmeal cookies and to have plenty of whole milk on hand. My dad hovered on the other line...did I need extra grocery money so I could buy them extras? (We talked about how to handle buying them stuff....couldn't make up my mind.) But boy, those kids ate....I've never seen kids so hungry. Then a month or so in, they appeared with these young men... "the brothers".......a scary trio of teen-aged men-boys who swarmed my apt. like animals. Their behavior....am I racist to describe the most uncouth, uneducated pack? And so that was The End. Because the following Sat. they were downstairs again. And I didn't bother to buzz them up. A well-to-do black colleague (lawyer) shook his head and said, yeah, you need to be really, really careful with those guys...you have no idea the life that they lead.....and advised me to not answer my door to them again. Twenty-five years later, I don't know what more I could have done for the 2 children. But I'll never forget how starved they were. And how deprived they were of: guidance. Sleep. Supervision. Soap. Conversation. Structure. They had nothing. Fending for themselves. I still feel pain and anger when I think of those children. Has Robin, in her tasteful Eileen Fisher garb, ever driven into inner city Oakland? Because these were just 2 out of ??

Love how she dodged the question about criticisms by other black people - they weren't just the ones who didn't believe that racism exists. I wouldn't care if she was just sharing her own experiences but she's doing a whole lot more than that. This woman disgusts me. She has caused more divisiveness than any other single person speaking out about racism. She has been roundly criticized by black and white scholars alike. Despite her protests, this is more about ameliorating her own guilt and making big bucks off of shaming all whites: to say that all whites are racist by virtue of being white is b.s. In short, this is a woman exploiting Black suffering for her own gain. Incidentally, I have been a lifelong in-your-face-I-will-kick-your-ass anti-racist since I was a tween --several decades ago.

@deborahcooper7545

2 жыл бұрын

If you know you are not the white one she's talking about, why would you be ashamed or how could u be shamed?

@V_Hayden7

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahcooper7545 I'm not sure what gave you that impression. My concern is the absolutism/labeling of good & evil (and this is most certainly a moral issue) which results in the kind of divisiveness we see now and which for generations upon generations has been incited by and worked to the benefit of those who wish to oppress us. I'm not sure how long it will take for us to finally understand this fundamental reality but until we do we will be doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Our power is in the understanding that the patriarchal power structure abhors and is terrified to the core that we might fight together for our common humanity. My heart is breaking over this -- for all of us. But, if this situation calls for it - if this ends up being "the fire next time," -- I am ready to die on this hill because it is tied inextricably to the destiny of us all -- the desire and need - the right we all have to be free from oppression of any kind, in whatever form. Be well, Deborah.

@willardaustria

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahcooper7545 How about empathy? And an innate feeling what's right and wrong, or which approach to racism is helpful and which isn't. Heaving read many quotes by her, and watched some videos, I can't help but coming to the conclusion that in fact she's projecting her own racism and "whiteness" onto all white people.

@lithwilson4379

2 жыл бұрын

@@V_Hayden7 Thank you well said. The biggest threat to the power structure is that we might recognize our common humanity and find common cause.

@terriewigfall5793

2 жыл бұрын

@V So. Maybe I should stay out of this past convo - but I caught a dogwhistle of a kind in your comment. Let me start by saying I'm a black woman - and I'm not one of the black people who criticize Dr. D's writings or theories. Quite the opposite - I find her analyses en pointe. I also have come to the conclusion that the white people who take issue with her work are often the very types of personas she's writing about. The white fragility she first wrote about was not an attempt to absolve white people from responsibility to address and confront racism within themselves and therefore help dismantle it in society -- it was simply to explain or give a term to what happens emotionally inside white people when confronted with the spectre of racism. Black critics thought that by describing the malfunctions that Robin was 'excusing' white people from responsibility (they are fragile, weak, incapable)..Wrong. The white people who criticize her work were in my mind triggered - she hit nerves they weren't willing to address. Now she approaches the other more insidious type of white 'anti-racist' -- the polite nice ones. The ones who require things to be done 'nicely' - say it the right way - or approach it this or that way to make sure white people are not 'offended' 'made uncomfortable' - you know V, so as not to 'cause more harm than good' 'to create more division'......the dog whistle I heard here 'She has caused more divisiveness" -- (How?!! - because she presents hard hitting and yes triggering information to confront the uncomfortable parts of people who have convinced themselves they have their Masters in anti-racism -- people who "have been a lifelong in-your-face-i-will-kick-your-ass anti-racist'........So by virtue of that status you've given yourself -- You V (and allthe other nice ones) take issue with a white woman doing her part to dismantle racism by pointing out the inner work for white people is ongoing. RD states upfront she is a white woman who identifies as a progressive liberal - and she has always stated that her category of white well-meaners are the worst when it comes to really tackling the dragon of racism. Because they insist by whatever merit badges they've tacked on their own lapels that they are no longer the problem - they are the 'good' ones' -- and racism is still out there running rampant because of every other reason but their additions to the equations.... I've heard too many white people like you V -- who fall on laurels -- what is your objection to having a book that in fact does what you claim is required?! Books written by white activist academics like RD'A are in fact kick-you-in-your-ass type books. This book doesn't focus on the redneck Bible belt evangelicals-- this book - both her books focused on YOUR group of white people. The ones who say things like they have tenure fighting racism - but who also are here downgrading her work because it's 'divisive' (again TELL ME HOW?!!!)..... She's not projecting -- she's self-aware and she is accurate. I'm a black person who has lived my whole life experiencing 'good white people' - she hasn't mis-applied any theory to you all. She's right on the money. My take is this author is doing anti-racist work. It is triggering - unpleasant - confronting people at their weakpoints (their EGOS - white liberals egos are ginormous on this point)....She's one of a handful of white anti-racist philosopher author/activists that I would think someone like you would want in the fight...... I for one appreciate her efforts.

its this kind of thinking that is swelling the ranks of conservative organizations.

It’s also called “polite racism”. I get it EVERYDAY...subtle but it’s their just below the surface delivered with a smile. People who know what the real meaning of racism understands that it’s not necessarily a spoken statement. Blacks are not racist.. we aren’t asking for everything for ourselves and none for everyone else/none blacks.. contrary to what many whites deemed to be their god-given right..to own EVERYTHING.. even another human. Everything meaning economic power, political power, homeownership power, educational power, judicial power, land power t... to hold power on every level in society which impacts on everything and everyone else around them.... this is the true term for racism, those who strongly believe in this idea are racist, those who oppose to anyone talking about it are racist because they defend racist ideology. Me calling a white person out for ill deeds does NOT make me a racist, because I control none of the above specifications of power .You are racist if you burn down an entire town because the black inhabitants who built it is thriving and you’re sense superiority and entitlement wouldn’t allow it, you’re a racist if you start another race riot ..a black Wall Street in Texas if a white man wants a radio owned by a black( customer) ..a woman 📻 that was repaired by a white business owner who had planned to steal the radio by making it hard for the black owner to pay the repair bill , then selling the radio to a white man.📻 It’s call COVETING for all you white Christians who still feel entitled. The same people who don’t understand the definition /term of racism and bigotry are the same people who are quick to say socialism is the same as communism when they feel the strings of their goody-bag is being loosened more for blacks. I put it to them, go live in Russia 🇷🇺 and Cuba 🇨🇺 or Belarus 🇧🇾 for a year before you start with your BS. You’ll blend right in and you won’t have to see too many blacks.

@onewildandcrazyguy9213

2 жыл бұрын

Sure you do

@fy5213

2 жыл бұрын

@Mike Sanders try a different attitude…your “nice” is not universal.

@emptyvessel3054

2 жыл бұрын

@Mike Sanders who invaded who's nations? Who enslaved and brought who to NOT thier homeland? Who keeps launching race based covert operations to destroy thier neighbors community? It ain't the 'minorities' I'll tell you that much.

@emptyvessel3054

2 жыл бұрын

@Mike Sanders whites have received the most actually. Blacks get enough to scrape by.

@honeybadger1847

2 жыл бұрын

People entering my home, seeing bookcases, exclaiming, “you read!!”

Instead of assuming people are defensive in the worst way (as well as being racist, I mean, damn - the audacity), I think a better gameplan would be to ask: "are you racist?" When they say no, you ask: "do you want to be?" When they say no to that, you ask: "why not?" When they say, "because it's bad/wrong/not what I believe in, etc.", you ask them "why/how did you come to that realization?" From that point onward, you would find more effective resources with far deeper emotional revelations and cultural impacts than this "nice trolling" trigger-shilling paperweight she's selling. Deconstructing a problem to its last quark doesn't solve the problem. It's better to try finding the solution by seeing what works for large swaths of people, refining those tools and daring them to adopt the refined machinery.

Niceness is false & duplicitous , regardless of motive. The “nice person” is clandestine agent with ulterior motives

Fantastic that this scholar is plugging away head-on how racism is delivered to people of color most frequently, daily, in shared-spaces, and that addressing both the behaviors and mindset and choosing to change both is a big piece of the work.

@TheBullFather_ofAll

Жыл бұрын

Scholar..haha. it's her white women feminist, hyper critical, harpy, utopanistic,victim identifying, microscopic observing, over analyses of everyone else's behavior, mostly men, that created this exhausting pc environment. Thanks ladies and the woke sheep.

Systemic racism is one reason I'm probably leaving the usa when I retire. I'm retiring from work AND institutional racism. God Willing

@ericdugal8818

Ай бұрын

What systemic racism is there?

Famed for repackaging Antebellum cruelty as the current fad. $$ My brain defaults to Scarlett O'Hara whenever Robin D'Angelo is mentioned. The church and courts are steeped in this double speak and have been for generations

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

You get it.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir.. Indeed

It seams to me only a black and white discussion ( guess is more urgent in US). What about inter racial racism? Is it something real , does it happen ? Anyone has thoughts about it ?

@deborahcooper7545

2 жыл бұрын

In America..it will ALWAYS be Black or White. Everything else is to keep the confused, confused

@gaillewis5472

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it is very real. Search "stop Asian hate," and there will be countless newscasts, short filns, interviews and cc camera footage of EVERYONE berating, injuring and showing indifference towards those attacked based upon SARS CoV 2 ignorance.

"We can't Be what we can't See", Ms World Winner, Kenya 2019 - 2020

@MKhan-uv5kt

2 жыл бұрын

So true!

when everything is racist then "Niceness" is also racist.

Explicit hatred is pretty tough to handle. Implicit superiority and stereotyping isn't that much easier to take, but it can be less violent and dangerous. Oh, and I am speaking about how "woke" men treat women. "Nice" guys don't necessarily think women are their true equal and deserve more than a tiny place at the table. I know the best guys who really struggle with this because it will indeed make for fewer seats for them at that table. Now add race to the equation. Let the fun begin!

@emptyvessel3054

2 жыл бұрын

How do men, that call themselves men justify the presence of such childish individuals? As a child you would never imagine this is who runs the world, but it actually make perfect sense when you look at how the world is run. Meritocracy cannot exist because then ALOT of losers would become violent terrorist and criminals. In some sense women are partly to blame though, because so many women will empower and protect these same men. They'll even have you believing that these men are great members of the community.

@emptyvessel3054

2 жыл бұрын

@@Browne7100 currently being ostracized for standing up for myself as we speak. It's tough, but it would probably be easier if more people were willing to try...

The bigger challenge is for those who find her " exhausting" instead listen and understand her as a sociologist. Racism is Exhausting !

@onewildandcrazyguy9213

2 жыл бұрын

So are constant false allegations of racism

@jaydiddat2127

2 жыл бұрын

She is an opportunist who fancies herself the authority on racism and white supremacy but she never discusses the root cause of any of it

@velinabrown2708

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydiddat2127 what is the root cause that she’s failing to discuss?

@sturgemoreland1381

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydiddat2127 please explain what racism is, and the "root cause of it"

@sturgemoreland1381

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydiddat2127 and there you have it.

Robin DiAngelo will go down as one of the most counterproductively impactful authors of a generation. I don't think she's evil, just terribly misguided.

@brianmeen2158

6 ай бұрын

She seems to have disappeared from the scene so that’s a plus .. her and Kendi are low level race hustlers

@nancyfancy1956

4 ай бұрын

How is she counterproductive?

@RuthHenriquez1

4 ай бұрын

@@nancyfancy1956 D'Angelo isn't a psychologist and her technique isn't based on any data. None of her techniques have been peer reviewed, and there are now studies out that indicate that shaming people for being racist might have the opposite effect and put resentment into people that wasn't there in the first place.

@nancyfancy1956

4 ай бұрын

@@RuthHenriquez1 yet people would argue that psychology is rooted in racism as well. The American Psychological Association (APA) made a statement concerning that. Robin doesn't have to be a psychologist to validate her observations and her own experience as a white person. She is not shaming people only someone that hasn't read her book would say this. Many white people have responded very well to her books and were ready to change. those who didn't respond well to them and let white fragility get the best of them. They are exactly the ones who can't let go of their simplistic understanding of racism. they hold onto the comfort and the privilege they have as ignorant and oblivious white people.

The level of arrogance and condescension dripping from this woman's every utterance is epic.

@coimbralaw

2 жыл бұрын

How so?

@deborahedelman2659

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please Tell us how do?

@deborahedelman2659

2 жыл бұрын

Typo. How so?

@teetime3421

2 жыл бұрын

@Adrian R so self reflection and critical examination of racism in this country makes you an apologist?!?!

@jcostel27

2 жыл бұрын

@@coimbralaw According to this woman, EVERY aspect of our society, including all contemporary iterations of our cultural institutions, is an expression of White Supremacy, and EVERY interaction between Whites and people of other races, no matter how trivial or benign, is an expression of subtle, sublimated racism. This is absurd. Her thesis seems to be that if you're White, you have no choice other than being a racist. You can be either an explicit, ideological racist who brandishes Confederate or Nazi symbols or a nice, progressive racist who deludes him/herself into thinking that they aren't racist by championing causes of social justice; those are your only two options, and denying that "reality" only makes you even more of a racist or a sexist or a homophobe or whatever. What is more she does all this armed with her degree in multicultural education, as if that gave her the authority to make such sweeping generalizations. It seems to me that what she's really doing is some pretty heavy psychological projection.

Did she just call the black people who disagree with her Uncle Tom's. She didn't explicitly use that word but that was what she was referring to the black people that disagree with her as

@onewildandcrazyguy9213

2 жыл бұрын

When she was given criticisms of some of her black critics she didn't respond to those criticisms she just attacked those black critics. She said that she only takes her black critics seriously if they have a history of anti-racism work. But in her book she says that when a black person tells a white person that they're racist they should be humble reflect and change. She didn't say that if a black person who has a long history of anti-racism work calls them out on their racism then only should they reflect be humble and change. So I guess the next time some black person refers to something I'm doing or saying as racist I'm going to ask him about their history of anti-racism work before I accept their criticism

@velinabrown2708

2 жыл бұрын

@@onewildandcrazyguy9213 you are working so hard to not get the point.

@onewildandcrazyguy9213

2 жыл бұрын

@@velinabrown2708 it's not hard work baby it comes easy

@giuseppemendoza6898

2 жыл бұрын

@@velinabrown2708 We get it, your racist

Talk about 0 self realization.. She is the epitome of nice and the term racist... that is so ironic, wow, ha.

@missingcasey

2 жыл бұрын

What are your justifications for saying that about her? What HAS she said that’s valid in your opinion?

Warsan Garrow a Somaliland Nomad and Activist writes in "An Infringement on Race and the ever-changing cultural paradigm" about the same topic. Here are some interesting bullet points; 1. How Racism is kept alive and the way it manifests itself through other behaviour plus other channels 2. How no legislation throughout the West or the ability to take a stand against this disease from Western lawmakers enables Fascism. Especially in Western Europe. 3. How lawlessness in the West, incompetency condone Corruption, Terrorism & Racism. 4. How White incompetency failed Western Democracy 5. The impressionable Whites, often lower educated gullible Whites, the ultra-left, and in some cases, prostitutes encourage the infringement on the White Race 6. Why White-washing is a pressing matter under certain ethnic groups and the role of integration & the census play in that process 7. How racism, by way of speech, is frowned upon yet generally accepted when it comes to Black-Americans, Blacks from the Caribbean & Muslims Interesting read also in understanding WHY racism is still happening.

@ProkofNY

2 жыл бұрын

Somali-born scholar Ayaan Hirsi Ali has invited DiAngelo to a debate. Ali said she would donate proceeds from such debate to a charity of DiAngelo’s choice. DiAngelo has ignored her invite.

Case in point California and NYC NIMBYs, preach about being anti-racist until it's time to actually live together.

No. I'm a nice non-racist. Like duh. Who isn't? Oh yeah, DiAngelo and Kendi.

Excellent conversation. Thank you so much

@truthseeker9975

Жыл бұрын

Unhealthy, divisive discussion by two deeply misled individuals.

@Dontbestupidlittleboy

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

As a mixed race person, I feel so invisible in this conversation. Not asking anyone to do anything, Im just saying. It feels like we do not even exist in this White people/Black people conversation. Not everyone is either white or black, ya know?

@lindabb7064

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you. I'm multicultural and the dichotomy is exhausting.

@stephdrake2521

2 жыл бұрын

No offense but this is why I don’t believe in interracial dating ( between black and white people ). As a Black person , I couldn’t find a white person attracted knowing as a whole what they have done in the past and continue to do to my people. Biracial people ( especially white and black ) are innocent but the parents of the two were miseducated about white supremacy. I don’t mean to be offense but just think about Jewish people and how you rarely see a Jewish and German person married. It’s because it the bad blood between the two and Germany has apologized and corrected their mistake to some extent but the US has never addressed racism or repaired the past with reparations . All over the world, lighter skin people are viewed better…. Why ??? Because of white supremacy and the influence it had / has on the world. Anti blackness is real and was created by white supremacy only. Again , I think biracial people have a voice but unfortunately they too , are viewed as non white in this system of hate. Again, learn your history , and know who’s doing all of this ….speak truth to power and you’ll be find. Never blame the victims of any system … go after the power and who’s making laws to discriminate certain people.

@stephdrake2521

2 жыл бұрын

Again, interracial dating in a system of white supremacy. If this system didn’t against , I wouldn’t have any critic of who should date or marry who

@vickananda

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephdrake2521 to me it seems pretty naïve to think it matters whether people believe in interracial dating or not. It exist, no one is in charge of it by what they believe in.... It happens all of the time and has become normal. For those of us descending from interracacial marriage your statement is baffling. You cant just wish all mixed race people out of the equation . We are here and there will be more of us over time. To me it seems to wish us away is less than useless but truly is harmful. We exist and your statement seems to be one more piece of the cloak of invisibility we wear in this discussion.

@inocencianieves9909

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephdrake2521 As biracial person, I would say you are a Racist Black person🤮🤮🤮🤮🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️😡😡😡😡. God bless your heart🙏🏼💝

I loved "White Fragility" and it really helped me see micro aggressions I didn't even know I was doing. I just downloaded this book, can't wait to listen!

@kickrocks2472

2 жыл бұрын

Saw that too!

@jeremygibson565

2 жыл бұрын

Micro aggressions aren’t an objective phenomenon. It’s a fabrication.

@MrDriedanddone

2 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDriedanddone We can take comfort in the fact that they're _usually_ only falling for this horseshit due to the näivety of youth - who amongst us weren't a little idealistic in our youth? But as we grow older and gain wisdom we begin to see this hustle for what it is and realize how easy it is to just be a decent person toward everyone else regardless of their race, which doesn't require any self-loathing or responsibility for the inconveniences of others who have to find their own way to become a better person without having to scapegoat us as a convenient boogeyman to blame for the same struggles each individual has to face throughout our lives.. Anyway, my point is that she'll most likely grow out of this phase the same way as most goth kids eventually get on with their lives and quit hanging out at the mall and rockin the hot topic clothing, or so on n so forth.. It's just a part of growing up and sure, some never really do grow past being mad at their parents and continue to paint their nails black well into their 30s but they are not as ubiquitous as the media like to portray, these leftys are typically fringe weirdos who have idealogical ties to their comrades in showbiz and are presented as plentiful when in fact they're just well-connected weirdos with a red ☭✯⸸⁶⁶⁶ agenda to push and want to portray anyone who grew up out of that horseshit (or never bought into it in the first place) as neo this and alt thats so we have to be careful about allowing our communities becoming poisoned by such failures of critical thinking and I'm optimistic that we're doing an amazing job of that considering the powerful resources and (seemingly) unlimited wealth bolsters the Reds (afraid they'll remove my comment if I use the identifying words like "marks" or "trot - ski").. Jussayin, all hope isn't lost and when you're dealing with an obviously young person who is misguided its important to be ecumenical and patient with them and help them to find their way through the mire and muck of TV and music pop culture and just be good examples of decent people who struggled in our own youth so that they can see that the ugly people the TV portray us as are not the reality they encounter, that way eventually they grow out of that shit and realize that no one will ever love you like your own, yet that doesn't mean you have to hate others, right? 👍🏻 Fuckin - A - right! It's all good, Elaina. Not asking you for much other than to drop in on a church service once in a while and give white folks the chance to show you that we're not all not-sees or tikitorchers like the weasels in the media would have you believe - the vast majority, like 9 / 10 of us are just normal folks who treat everyone decent regardless of their color.. Just getting frustrated with being portrayed as evil inherently for things that weren't even alive for, fair enough? Right on 👍🏻

@MrDriedanddone

2 жыл бұрын

@@88_TROUBLE_88 Yeah, come to think of it, I was a lot more left wing and idealistic when I was younger. But this woman is just unbelievable. The kafta trap she uses is just so plain to see that I find it hard to understand how so people like Elaina have fallen for it.

What DiAngelo speaks of applies to what exists and occurs in multi-racial churches (particularly, in my experience, in non-denominational or pentecoastal evangelical churches).

DiAngelo, like Kendi, will never debate anyone, as this would be detrimental to their grifts.

This is important research but we still aren't talking about class conflict. Racism needs to be looked at using an intersectional approach.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, there is no "class conflict." Okay, so the rich get richer. So what?

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 The rich are employing the police to harass the poor. Literally using the police to destroy their lives and their ability to make a livelyhood. They made harmless actions into crimes that then created severe problems that could have been solved over night with just a few public health approches. Also the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer will collapse the economy. You can't have only 1% participating in the economy. The economy functions with all of our efforts.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@varrantgreen4259 If the "poor" didn't commit any crimes, the police wouldn't bother them. "Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause" (Exodus 23:3, KJV). In other words, just because a man is "poor," that doesn't mean he deserves any sympathy. If a "poor" man robs a grocery store to support a drug habit, he deserves the harshest penalty under the law. The "rich getting richer" is not killing the economy. Printing Monopoly money (i.e., "Federal Reserve Notes") is killing it. The CEO of my company gets paid a lot more than I do; but so what? That has absolutely no impact on me whatsoever. "Thou shalt not covet" (10th Commandment). I couldn't care less how much money he makes, and I am satisfied with my pay. "Be content with your wages" (Luke 3:14, KJV). The problem with your argument is that too many people make no effort at all. "The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour" (Proverbs 21:25, KJV). My workplace has plenty of job openings; yet we can't get anyone to come to work here, because too many people would rather get paid undeserved welfare, so they can sit around playing video games. Laziness shall certainly kill him, because sitting on his butt and doing nothing contributes to morbid obesity, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease and other deadly diseases. In cases like that, the Lord Jesus Christ commands us to give a foolish person NOTHING, and let starvation drive him to repentance (Luke 15:17-19, KJV). The "rich" are every bit as miserable as the "poor." I will not envy either of them. candlestickpress.faithweb.com/blank_10.html

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 Sigh, you do realize that crimes were invented that deliberately attacked peaceful citizens. They literally criminalized being in a public space so that police had a means and excuse to attack and violate poor people for doing nothing but Minding their own business.

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 Ya it seems like you have no idea what the economy is if you don't know that it needs transactions to function. And the fewer transactions the more the economy is starved.

I have to check out her books.

@truthseeker9975

Жыл бұрын

Why, to poison your heart and mind?

What is the definition of "White"?

The truth shall set you free but not necessarily right away. Ha ha ha ha

Everyone is racist. You are polite because that is the right thing to do. Friendly interaction is what lubricates society. If you find a good person to like and get to know then you should.

@martaholmes4287

2 жыл бұрын

Just don't be fake friendly and two faced. A stranger is a friend you haven't met.

@brianl3397

2 жыл бұрын

We are all different and some of us choose to make a good faith effort to get along and be nice, no other motives.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see I'm not alone in this way of thinking and getting tired of these parasites sowing division for their profit as well as perpetuating this regressive self-loathing amongst their own.. It's frankly disappointing that so many white people are falling victim to the hustle these grifters are employing which does no good for anyone other than themselves. Why is just be a decent human towards everyone regardless of their color such a difficult concept for the easily misled NPCs to grapple with? I assure you that it's due at least in part to the overt racism being peddled by the likes of this ultra-left agent provocateur Robin DiAngelo and afaic she's part of the absolute worst amongst us all and should be drummed out of town, told to get little into the sunset as we're hip to her horseshit by now.. =/

@ProkofNY

2 жыл бұрын

@@88_TROUBLE_88 exactly. Race based categorizations are useless and the reason why racism exists is because some people still believe such categorizations are relevant. New social justice scholarship pushes race to the forefront and by doing so, reinforces race based categories in every interaction. Who ever thought this was the path forward?

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProkofNY only those who are so far removed from the realities of the people they claim to advocate for can come off so smug and gratified by their own flatulence like Robin and her ilk.. They are not in the same station in life that sees some people living one meal to the next, stressing over the light bill and consumed with distress over thier inability to make any real impact on any policies that govern their interests.. Not referring to any race, but rather people who are powerless due to financial restrictions and for someone like her, that you just _know_ was never faced with the real prospect of seeing all of her belongings strewn about the side of the parking lot of her apartment complex after the latest past due notice taped to her door... Naw, she ain't the type of person who grew up with that station in life and she's certainly not living it now, so I wonder why she's so compelled to assert herself as the voice for that class of people, especially considering they ain't worried about this whole evil whitey narrative when they see every color right there in the same apartment building with the same distress - anyone living with that kind of anxiety is well aware of it effecting every race and she's trying to convince everyone it's a black n white ppl issue that the neighbors struggling next door are the enemy based on the color of their skin.. She seriously needs to be drummed out of town and humbled through public humiliation of some sort, like maybe some big sassy black woman could get on the mic at one of her talks and set her straight via some good ol fashioned straight talk with the business, hit her with a verbal 2 piece and a biscuit by pointing out the glaringly obvious errors in her white-savior LARP'ing..

"I am comfortable in a racist culture." What the hell does that mean?!

@quentinj7236

2 жыл бұрын

It means she is comfortable in the prevailing culture in the U.S. and that the prevailing culture in the U.S. is racist. In other words, she's a "white" person in a predominantly "white" culture. The culture caters to "whiteness" and she is comfortable in that.

@terriewigfall5793

2 жыл бұрын

@@quentinj7236 @Jill Salkin Fact.....and she's self-aware enough to admit it. Most white people are exactly like her. Comfortable in the status quo. We saw that in this past election. We saw in on Jan 6th too. A huge percentage of white people very well understand exactly what kind of society America is. They know it's a white-based white controlled, white catering society. They know they are in the preferred position of person in this society. They know that they can live, travel, work, play, and do whatever they want actually and always have support. And really, that's the way they wish it to remain. A portion are okay with 'diversity and inclusion' and 'equality' - just as long as in the end they personally don't have to have any of the privileges they know they now have with the racist set up - as long as they can keep what they have, then they want 'change'. She's made that statement in a few of her interviewers and panel discussions and lectures. It's facts. It's fact that most white people feel subconsciously -- but to hear it spoken sounds sinister. It's not.....it's just eye opening and makes for wake up calls. Like if a man was honest -- to say that as a man he is really comfortable with a patriarchy controlled society where men are in control and women are in a subjected position. Most men aren't troubled by this reality -- it's what they know and works best for them.....

@mirianakovachevic748

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing. She earns a lot of money selling nothing to stupid people. Respect.

@ms.harris807

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirianakovachevic748 but you're not stupid though. Y'all are never right or have enough upbringing to know not to lie or when to keep your trap closed. Your family tree did and has root rot. Always wrong.

@DarkAngel2512

2 жыл бұрын

@@quentinj7236 The US isnt racist just because there are more white people.

Very important conversation. Opens us up to examine our culture, and gives us the power to change it for the better. Saw so much during the Obama years. The hate in white people who just couldn't handle their hate, fear, and future. It was loud enough that it brought forward Trump, though he was a criminal , he represented that part of the population that was horribly racist..

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Drank that kool-aid to the last drop, I see..

@mariannelabanane2589

2 жыл бұрын

But, this sick madam Di Angelo is not talking about the real racists. She talks about the fact that every white person should get down on one knee and apologize for living. This is her fight. True racism is not something she worries about at all. It wouldn't bring her much prestige or money! She found a new theory about racism. A totaly sick one. And she speak in the name of all black people who are numerous to think she's wrong. If we listen to her, black and white people souldn't live together. There is no hope it is possible. White would have to disapear completely. Her ideology is totaly sick and most of all extremely dangerous.

@Dontbestupidlittleboy

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I hope we will look back on her ideas and think they were some of the worst in our nation’s history.

volume too low .. ah well next time

Surely knowing that your company has a diversity hiring policy creates resentment on both sides.

Terrific..have to get the books

@truthseeker9975

Жыл бұрын

So sad to read your comment. I am British and deeply disappointed to see all this divisive speech on racism in the US and my own country. Please listen to Brandon Tatum (Officer Tatum), Zuby, Candace Owens and others and free yourself from this horrible toxic focus on racism.

I think this book from a white author is necessary for the culture. A white woman speaking, directing and correcting her OWN culture...we as black people, should not have to teach was is racism. They should teach one another, like Cheryl Underwood having to tell Sharon Osborn she is being a NICE RACIST

@DarkAngel2512

2 жыл бұрын

Her culture? What culture is that exactly? Culture and race are not the same and she cannot speak for white people. She can only speak for herself. Do other black people speak for you?

@tobiisiba1641

Жыл бұрын

What is white culture?.

What about, A Many Faces, African American?

First this is the best interview I’ve seen of Dr DiAngelo, Thanks Michel Martin. In any previous interviews I’ve seen if the subject of her detractors came up the interviewer would pose the question by first dismissing them as racist and then ask what Robin thought about it. Michel allowed her to voice her own denunciation. The problem is that her critics all stand as straw-men and the actual criticisms are never engaged with. So here are a couple of criticism from a pragmatic progressive that I really wish she would address. First:, and this one is by far the most important to me, I think that the idea’s she promotes hurt African Americans. There is a long list of concrete things that need to be done in this country to improve the lives of our citizens. This involves directly confronting structural racism and also general material improvement that will disproportionately benefit minorities, as minorities are disproportionately harmed by the status quo. I’m not arguing that it is just a mere distraction from more important matters, but I strongly suspect that what she popularizes is destroying what chance we have to form a political alliance that can make real structural change. If you could show me that I’m wrong about this and that her type of Anti-racism mindfulness will lead to a better more just country, then I would retract this and all objection that follow. Second:, I find it repulsive to be moralized to by the corporate world. This is the function that DiAngelo fulfills she is a contractor to HR departments so that corporations can woke-wash themselves. This is a deflection, “don’t look at us and our business practices look at all the rank and fill with their nativist attitudes.” Third:, and this is the pettiest objection I have, It seems to me that when DIAngelo recounts the evolution of her awakening full of cringe moments, she is then and now trying to find personal absolution. To which I say fine but who cares that’s a you thing. Fourth:, the basic impetus of white fragility is that she was speaking to groups of people to try and foster a deeper racial understanding and when she engaged with people they didn’t like it. If this had been me at the very least, I would have thought long and hard about whether this was my failing and not others. If as Kendi has defined it racism should be evaluated by results rather then intent, I suspect at the end of the day she is advocating racism against black people. I’m sure this is not her intent.

@lithwilson4379

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your question, I really appreciate it. Yes, I agree. You are right she is trying to model a certain kind of self-examination. Yet I still feel like that is just an invitation to enter into a ritual of penance. There is nothing wrong with this. For some people this may be what they need, and they should, on a voluntary basis, do it. I don’t believe that this is a universal truth. I believe that for some people this just isn’t helpful. But for those who do participate what is the hopeful outcome? . I think the only reasonable thought is that it might help people be less injurious in their interpersonal interactions. A good thing! But who are we taking about here, I think primarily more affluent cosmopolitan people who work in the corporate managerial or academic settings. As DiAngelo has demonstrated by example there are still interaction that are undesirable in this realm. To me this problem pails in comparison to the suffering endured by the bottom quarter of the economy. There is an implication in DiAngelo’s presentation that this is how we address racism in America. The kind of racism she is talking about is a thing, Yes, its just not the same thing as redlining legacy, police brutality, inability to access decent medical care and quality primary education…..Etc. @@amykaufman6327

@quidagis33

2 жыл бұрын

You raised a lot of points to unpack. One of the ideas from her book is the value of individualism. So, if you (not you, lith) see racism as a moral issue and not structural the first step might be taking a personal inventory of how you benefit from an unfair structure. This means it becomes a personal thing. People have a hard time grappling with structures and systems and networks and would rather point to one person to sanction. So by doing the introspective work you are taking the first step in becoming an active member of society to question the policies and structures around you and do something about it. If you get into feeling guilty all the time or performative penance you've missed the point. Discomfort should cause change.

@lithwilson4379

2 жыл бұрын

@@quidagis33 Thanks for your comment on my post I appreciate it! Discomfort causes change because one moves to a position of less discomfort. For me the discomfort that the unfairness of our country imbues is not get over able. You learn to live with it. I don’t personally find this discomfort to be a helpful motivator but more a byproduct of knowledge of the situation. People are complex and vary. One person’s poison is another’s elixir. When I think about motivations for change it is hard for me to conceive of a person that is open to DR DiAngelo’s program that isn’t already in favor of the kinds of structural changes that are needed. I tend to think that she preaches to the choir and alienates people who might be helpful in our efforts but are “heretics” to neo-antiracism because they have a different philosophical cosmology. I believe we all are mythological in our views of race and in fact can be nothing else. We exchange one imperfect vision for another. Among those of us acting with good will and altruistically I think there should be no “heretics”. In essence I think we are locked into an internal culture war on the left that hampers our collective effort. Things she says like “Progressives do the most racial harm” Don’t bring us together to do the actual work but sow division and frankly sound like talking points for the right.

@terriewigfall5793

2 жыл бұрын

@Lith Wilson Wow! I don't know where to begin - but I want to chime in. Paragraph 1: 'I think that the ideas she promotes hurt African Americans" I thought I was going to say that statement dumbfounded me - as in how did you come up with that convolution? But I understand what compels the idea or the cynicism. I think that (assuming you are AA) what happens for some of us at this juncture is the only outcome we want to see from a white person's verbal assertions on racism (whether that be a politician, celebrity, or author) is something concrete. Legislation, an actual active change. And it seems that the mere fact of this author articulating nuances of the problem of racism - isn't enough. What will are her talking, interviews and writing accomplish? I think that is a mistaken mental query. Martin spoke about black criticism of DiAngelo's works as being harmful to creating a kind of moral superior trope (monolithic) of black people - and therefore making us one-dimensional. Because her books are laser focused on the pathologies of white persons inside the struggle of racism from within them - the mistake i feel is to assume she is offering a moral highground to black folks - as in that spiritual black saviour to white people. I don't think that is the intent at all. I think the problem is that since she doesn't 'address' black people per se as the issue in her writings - and also she doesn't particularly focus on solutions (legislations, political plans etc)....black criticism falls in this weird murky place for me (I'm a black woman who is thrown by black criticism of her and other works like hers). To me it's obvious -- she's writing these books to do a kind of metaphysical surgery or diagnostic on white people from the inside out on this subject. She's doing exactly what 'we' claim we want: White folks, go get your people! But when she does it in these 2 books now -- there's complaint from some black arenas that is isn't enough, or misdirecting the conversation. Thing is this: the problem of racism is a mental, psychological, acculturation, societal, systemic one. White people (and all the rest of us) have been immersed, marinated, infused, soaked to the soul in it. If the work doesn't start on the internal level - on the Self-introspection level for white folks....no legislation or political or social reform will adhere or let alone get activated in any true paradigm shifting way. So when you say all her talk what will it do if it doesn't produce a tangible change -- the change has to start on the inside of the white society that is at the crux of the problem. Her books are about the critical self-examination that white people need to do. And that is why so many white people are so 'mad' about her books -- because she's hitting deep nerves especially with the ones that thought they were 'the good ones'.....This is the reason too why she speaks of her own personal journey -- It's relevant 100%. How would you imagine being able to reach the inner workings of fellow white people unless one can speak from personal experience? She's telling her journey with every cringe worthy misstep to relate to her audience - to show them it's okay -- and to help them access their own need for work.... I don't see her works as counterproductive in any way - especially not towards black community. I think her work is to collect her folks just like she's doing. I also have no idea where you'd come up with her work being lowkey advocating FOR racism towards black folks (?!!!!!???)

@beingheardmedia6339

2 жыл бұрын

@@terriewigfall5793 THANK YOU. I just didn't have the energy to engage with that long question which, in my eyes, was just a more complicated way of saying the same thing that her critics have (to my mind) unjustly been accusing her of. There's always seems to be this sentiment out there that if we delve too deeply into the culpable behaviors of the majority group that we'll undermine any meanginful political alliances. If that was the case then the alliance wasn't going to hold anyway. As indeed it didn't for quite some time after the 1960s Civil Rights Movement. The retrenchment was quite real. The majority group fled to the suburbs and corporate careerism (the same thing many of them are accusing DiAngelo of) and left African Americans (my own group) hanging in deteriorating, disinvested cities. The simple explanation of the backlash against DiAngelo is "hit dogs holler". I mean as was already pointed out King made this exact point - and then got shot days later. The basic reality is DiAngelo is bringing a lot of folks a "come to Jesus" moment. And they can't handle it.

I am not a racist! having said that…

No one is creating a personna of niceness to be a nice racist. Most People who are bring kind or nice are exhibiting who they are to anyone.. The author id painting everyone with the same big paint brush.

@vickananda

2 жыл бұрын

this is my complaint also after listening. Painting everyone with the same big paint brush. The conversation is important and change is needed, but alot of things are left out when painting everyone with a big paint brush, this leads to not getting anywhere socially even with all this effort. Are we trying to build a livable culture for us all to live as well as possible or are we into blame, shame and attack? I moved away from where I grew up due to racism there and came to CA and found several new kinds of racism. It has only gotten worse in both places and this breaks my heart. When I was in college a woman came to talk and she was telling me that because i can pass as white I have nothing to say, and that my people kept her people down for 400 years. well did we do this from the reservations we were forced to move (one branch of my family) or did we do this from europe (other branch came only 100 years ago, lived in the north) we were the only mixed race family in our area, and were so poor, treated differently, not allowed to play with some people, not included. Blaming and shaming others with one big brush is going to lead to more and more layers of misunderstanding. I hope we can find ways of having the conversation that include multicultural and mixed race points of view.

@joymosley8997

2 жыл бұрын

You obviously have not experienced nice racism. I have and she is speaking the gospels truth!!!! The truth may hurt, but if you let it, it will set you free.

As always thanks to Ms Martin and PBS...

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

Defund pbs corporate bias

She's on a book tour...........

LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ are elements of nice everything where sexual habits make you a "nice" person.

There is critical thinking, which is lacking, and there is bias in thinking. There are racial issues that definitely need to be addressed in America, but the scenario of the office "racism" happens even among people of the same race! Racism happens all around the world where "white" people aren't even the dominant power. The issue is a form of tribalism where anyone different than us, in looks or thought, are dehumanized or devalued as "others" in order to preserve the tribe. This is being done between Republicans and Democrats independent of race. All people have this tendency and it is between all people. So, the question is, when are we going to stop focusing on what a particular race has to do (a form of racism), and get EVERYBODY thinking about their biases while still fixing the problems that do clearly oppress certain people groups in our society. It seems some critical thinking is being limited to only one perspective. Let's broaden the discussion and not be blinded by our own biases.

So many words.

I like Robin Diangelo but i also really like that other white teacher advocate cant think of her name Jane something but basically says we are all black. With that experiment she been doing since the late 60' I would totally agree with that. We are all one blood. We didnt even know we were black when we were in Africa. When did White people decide they were white and better. Ludacris

@kellynunez3430

2 жыл бұрын

Jane Elliott

@robinalecia7554

2 жыл бұрын

@@kellynunez3430 Thank you honey yes Ms Jane Elliott

Interview questions seem a bit antagonistic. Maybe it’s me.

Nice discussion. Arrogance still reigns though. Generalizations sell ideas, books and TV time.

@sturgemoreland1381

2 жыл бұрын

When you have a degree in missing the point.

John McWhorter, "conservative writer," says she is being disingenuous for saying that her lessons are not based on CRT.

@GoodnWise

2 жыл бұрын

Ask him to explain what CRT is but don’t wait too long for a coherent explanation.

@deborahcooper7545

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoodnWise 😁😁😁

@willardaustria

2 жыл бұрын

Does he self-ID as a conservative?

@GoodnWise

2 жыл бұрын

@Kodover215 oh yeah? Which part of America's history and America's present does CRT get wrong?

@GoodnWise

2 жыл бұрын

@Kodover215 mmm. hmm. You don't know either do you?

Love this intellectual scholar. It’s an amazing feeling to be seen, heard, and understood. Great interviewer too. Another great book is Deep Denial by David Billings. He wrote on this even before DiAngelo.

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

DiAngelo is no intellectual. Not one of her books has any documented research, studies or statistics in them which scholarly writing requires. She's a charlatan and nothing more.

@Melinamiu007

2 жыл бұрын

@@artgurrl thé data on thé percentage of POC in leadership positions is wrong? Or the percentage in jail? May life humble you!

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@Melinamiu007 Where's your proof?

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@Melinamiu007 Your post didn't say anything about POC in leadership positions. Nor did you say anything about percentage in jail. I was responding to your comment on DiAngelo as an intellectual. She isn't.

@Melinamiu007

2 жыл бұрын

@@artgurrl but you are aren’t you? Go write a book, spend a 20 years in a career in your field of study, and become professor so that some nimrod on KZread can talk about your intellectual ability. Arrogant.

WTF is this lady talking about?

She’s not qualified to speak for any free thinking person

Perfect angle about uncomfortable discussion. Bravo Michel. Such great questions for exploration. Thank you.

@AmanpourandCompany

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Wow! An anti-racist. Great career choice. Life-long job security.

She's gone quiet lately...

I need to get your books. I understood from, what you said, that Nice Racism is an internal journey. I don't think I am racist but I do know I don't have black friends because I am afraid of doing or saying the wrong thing. I also know I am only one generation from white supremcy, in my own family, which makes me feel icky, ashamed, and as if I need to "make up for it" somehow, even though logically, I need to leave it with them. I do know my father, at 90 years old feels like he's being replaced by blacks. He's 90, He's being replaced because he's old! Undoubtedly white babies are being born too! I mean we all will be replaced, it's the life cycle. *Shaking my head*. Replacement Anger should be a book too. I'm proud of you for writing these books!

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

Shes uninformed as are you for wanting her book 😬

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

@@dertythegrower Agreed. OP is wildly misguided at best and clearly näive as well as easily misled. Damn shame that person wasn't exposed to better parenting by folks who were able to state their grievances with the absurdity they saw around them in a less contemptible manner.. Maybe the screen name they chose should have been "extra chromosome" to better encapsulate their personality in a more accurate and meaningful way..

Kind condecenscion.

@stevejohnson2321

2 жыл бұрын

I have been guilty of this. Yes I'm privileged white male. Perhaps one day we will all be race blind. That day has yet to arrive. For any of us...

Essentializing racism is wondrful.

Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi remind me of the people who made lots of money selling shovels during the goldrush.

@stephdrake2521

2 жыл бұрын

What ever troll … someone has to talk about this hateful system …. Not anyone can put hate into words like they do …. Also , study John Henry Clake and James Baldwin … there are so many others who can speak against this evil system of hate. Racism is a crime against humanity. Hating other humans due to skin color is evil and shouldn’t be allowed. Ask yourself who allowed this ? That’s where you start …. Critical Race Theory.

@j2248

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephdrake2521 I agree with you, hating other humans based on skin colour is evil.

Wow! That was powerful. RD said so many things out loud that I have been conditioned to keep to myself. I feel quite uncomfortable. Very powerful. Thank you!!

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Grow up and quit letting these grifters manipulate you into self-loathing and discontent.. Just be a decent person toward everyone regardless of race and you'll find that these race baiting ultra-left academics are getting rich off of the division they sow at the detriment of us all regardless of color.. Don't be so easily misled into shame for something you're not guilt of.. Unless you are guilty of it and in that case, well, I guess you're merely another example of the left who's so quick to call racism in everything and everyone because of their own deeply troubling feelings toward their own people and how they view "others" so presume to speak for us all.. Leave me outta that horseshit.

She nailed it. It's the double edged niceness on a daily basis.

Who🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

This author & professor has profited heavily from simply pushing that you cannot trust anyone.

Good questions and thorough candid answers. Excellent interview:

Robin DeAngelo is a well known corporate grifter. Not really worthy of PBS

@conradgaarder2789

2 жыл бұрын

Au contraire. Very worthy of PBS. As evidenced by the presence of Amanpour, a self-described “reporter,” who “deals in facts,” who took part in the burying of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? PBS is nothing but woke garbage these days. They are the most biased 'news' outlet out there besides MSNBC.

@deborahcooper7545

2 жыл бұрын

@@artgurrl what's your assessment of Fox and CNN news?

@artgurrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahcooper7545 You call that news? Neither are news, nor is MSNBC. They are nothing but opinion 99.9% of the time. Each is the mouth piece of the 2 corporate parties.

Thank you for hosting this nuanced and lucid interview. I love Michel Martin's work! Great guest, too.

"Nice Racism" AKA the entire state of MN

Con artist.

So right on! Thanks!

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

No.. far off reality.

I guess to answer a question she posed as to why folks are so upset at CRT is it's still in effect by way of the 13th Amendment as through that slavery just evolved as it's still alive and well and "They" are reaping the benefits from it. Example of this is having a work force out there working to save your home and property putting their lives on the line as they do so only getting paid a dollar an hour to keep the fires away from homes and properties they themselves will more than likely never be able to own in their lifetime.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about?? A "dollar an hour"? If you're referring to the prison camp firefighters, let me assure you as someone who has personally taken part in that activity while incarcerated at the Tonopah Conservation Camp back in early 2002, every one of us were voluntarily participating and overwhelmingly glad to be getting paid that seemingly meager wage for the efforts as the saving of homes is rewarding per se and the money as well as meals and other amenities were greatly appreciated during those outings when we could have been assigned after muster to simply building a rock wall along the driveway to the facility or some other meandering task which pays NOTHING so don't presume to speak for anyone whom you don't know unless you've walked in their shoes.. If you're referring to some other job that pays "a dollar an hour" well, minimum wage in this country exposes your declaration as nonsense and you should feel ashamed for stating such horseshit.

Pseudo-intellectual

@missingcasey

2 жыл бұрын

What are your reasons for saying that?

@Homer62001

2 жыл бұрын

@@missingcasey Quote: “I grew up poor and white. While my class oppression has been relatively visible to me, my race privilege has not. In my efforts to uncover how race has shaped my life, I have gained deeper insight by placing race in the center of my analysis and asking how each of my other group locations have socialized me to collude with racism. In so doing, I have been able to address in greater depth my multiple locations and how they function together to hold racism in place.” That’s pseudo-intellectual bullshit on a grand scale. She’s a fucking charlatan.

@missingcasey

2 жыл бұрын

@@Homer62001 ok. Thx for replying. Now tell me why you’re so angry about how or what she says, especially to the extent of cussing. Maybe you could say it more succinctly? Verbosity ain’t the same as pseudo-intellectual or charlatan, especially speaking spontaneously and not reading from a script. My last question, I guess, is if there WERE any validity to her points, what would you say that is. Thx in advance, Homer.

@Homer62001

2 жыл бұрын

@@missingcasey Not angry, swear words are rhetorical devices. Recommend you read John McWhorters book on this topic. I’m very familiar with social science literature and the degeneration in gender and race studies. It’s not even pseudo-science, it’s just bullshit dressed up with polysyllabic trimmings. Go watch a few interviews with her. She’s a con artist, a scammer, a grifter. And if racism were suddenly solved she would move on to some other grievance in a heartbeat. But you have to come to your own conclusions, don’t rely on my opinion.

@missingcasey

2 жыл бұрын

@@Homer62001 ok, I’ll accept that you used the cuss words as rhetorical devices, but I still pick up hatefulness vibes from you on this topic in this thread. You haven’t given me proof that she’s a scammer, con agent, or grifter. I’m assuming you’re white, and you’re entitled to your opinions & reactions to her messages. If you’re calling her analyses pseudo-intellectualism, what commenters on institutional racism and our historical racism since the inception of the country DO you respect?

When all you seem to focus on is racism, then everything seems racist. Why not look at people as individuals, rather as just the colour of their skin? It is my assertion D’angelo promotes a racist narrative with her books, rather than promoting a society based on individualism. To say things like “White people are this, and Black people are that is wholly racist at its core.

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your bullshitting. I'm a massage therapist. So do you think that when I'm hungry I should actually get a massage? According to you that's how I would think. Eveything can be solved with massage therapy. Broken bones, world hunger, war. It's not like I know where my massage office is and I only practice massage when I am in my office. If it's racist to say racism exists then how the fuck do we actually deal with racism??? Is it racist to say racism existed durring slave trading and Jim crow era? Yes of course, according to you. What wouldnt be racist was to claim that race had nothing to do with how the black people where treated back then right??? So if acknowlegeing racism ever existed is function of racism. Then we can decide to do bad racism or good racism. Bad racism is like the holocaust. Good racism is like saving Jewish people from the holocaust. Clearly the people doing the underground railroad where practicing racism when they where only saving jewish people from the holocaust. That's the only way I can see your isnane inane babble to be consistent with the rest of reality. But honestly it's more likely you're lying and just protecting racism.

@solarwind907

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. If she’s talking about white supremacy she should say so. Racism is not only against black people.

@maryjane2965

2 жыл бұрын

@@solarwind907 There is no reverse racism. White people will never experience racism, end of story.

@chewacan

2 жыл бұрын

Racism is perpetuated by exposing kids to the endless accusations of racism. The great majority are fair minded and decent. The media, the intellectual scholars have the need to expound with their academic communication skills. Enough about the accusations of being racist. We are individuals with preferences and having preferences does not necessarily mean racism.

@FlashingFireGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@maryjane2965 Are you stupid? White people can and have experienced racism.

Based on her attitude, I'd say the real issue is not "racism," but paranoia!

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have any evidence for that or are you just lying to protect racism?

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@varrantgreen4259 No, I am against racism. I even wrote a story about an interracial relationship. tiolibooks.com/blank_1.html

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 How dose that prove you're not racist? Either way, lots of people who protect racism aren't racist. So you wouldn't be unique. The real question is why do you think it's paranoia to see racism where so many people have reported where racism is?

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@varrantgreen4259 Because the "reports" are often selectively edited to misrepresent the facts. You may recall that "noose" incident last year, when a black man claimed to find a "noose" in his garage. The news agencies played it up big. The FBI investigated...and the "noose" turned out to be nothing more than a plastic pull-handle for the garage door. Of course, the news agencies conveniently ignored that. They want to provoke anger, anarchy and rioting. "These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren" (Proverbs 6:16-19, KJV). My story does prove I'm not racist. You are arguing from the presumption of guilt, and that is illegal. Finally, I must point out that Socialism promotes racism, because Socialists never encourage black people to get off welfare and be self-supporting. Socialists want black people to remain poorly-educated and poverty-stricken.

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 Pffth, the media conveniently ignored that? Then how are you talking about it? How do I already know that? You're outright lying now. The media widely reported that it was a misunderstanding and misperception. Ya, you're too unhinged to reason with. Beleive what ever right wingers tell you to believe to justify what ever nonsense you want to beleive. Clearly you got an edited and misrepresented report when you didn't know that mistakes where rectified.

I was uncomfortable hearing how my ancestors were slaves. Let's stop teaching that and that may decrease inferiority and superiority complexes.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

It is presumptive and unproductive

"Proximity is proof". Bwhahahaha.

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine living under such false pretenses.. What a world these ultra left live in. Must be dizzying staring down from their ivory towers

I am U 😇

@88_TROUBLE_88

2 жыл бұрын

🤨🥱😑

Excellent interview.

@AmanpourandCompany

Ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you!

Sometimes I feel that intellectual development stopped at age 12, for some. The reason why people "come at her so hard" is because DiAngelo is a straight up racist, nothing else. She's a white racist with a racist background; she admitted it a good couple of times already.

@ProkofNY

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who frames the world in a manner such that racial categories are essential and individuals are assumed to think or behave a certain way based on race, is reinforcing inaccurate and archaic race-based categorizations. I do not care if they claim to do this for social justice or to create awareness; racism exists precisely because people have centered race in the past. This is not the path forward.

Priceless! Thank you both.

@dertythegrower

2 жыл бұрын

The term youre looking for is worthless.

@vivpace7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@dertythegrower some things are true whether you believe or NOT! "Hate" will eat you alive. Try being more Christlike. You'll be glad & Be Safe!

@giuseppemendoza6898

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivpace7049 We are more Christlike then you.

Oh no, D’Angelo makes money. She must be a grifter because ambitious women.….. Yawn.

@onewildandcrazyguy9213

2 жыл бұрын

She's a grifter because she is a fraud