Are you a drone operator? What models have you used and in what application? I would love to know! Let me know what you think of this concept of warfare with drones also! Love to hear and try to reply to your comments and conversations! Have a great day!

@pyeitme508

3 ай бұрын

RAD

@brianv1988

3 ай бұрын

@matsimus Anduril Industries same guy that made Oculus is a huge company in the US that is working with AI and drones they have some awesome stuff check it out dude it's a big company working with the US Military and allied military they have a bunch crazy technology check out the Roadrunner drone you will be impressed

@ClannerA01

3 ай бұрын

Mostly aerial video. The biggest i've flown is an octocopter with 15" blades, prepping and flying that thing was nerve wracking tho. The charger is as big as a shoebox, and the power supply for it is bigger than a basketball shoes shoebox. Everytime you connect it to either the charger or the drone, you get a really loud pop (almost a bang). It used the older DJI flight controller and it actually DID flyaway, but i managed to "catch" it by turning off the GPS before it went out of range and flew back in manual mode. It's incredibly fast but you can really feel the weight and momentum so you can't do fast turns (We tried chasing a car with it, i practically had to bank it 90 degrees for a couple seconds at full thrust to get it to stop), and when i went into manual mode, you can feel the weight even more. Oh and when taking off for a shoot, we stay well clear of it because the downwash is so strong it'll cover the entire lot (and some of the surrounding houses) in dust. The controls are your regular RC controller, but i'm pretty sure i can mount the monitor and headtracker module onto some sort of shotgun/rifle shaped mount and aim it like you would a rifle. Think of it as an apache with a pilot and gunner, the pilot flies with the RC controller, the gunner aims with the headtracker. The gunner would have an unrestricted, 360 degree view of the battlefield and the headtracker/shotgun is more precise/intuitive than a joystick. The main problem, as mentioned in my other post, is that the gimbal is rather delicate and light weight, and there is likely some severe adverse effect on the motors as they have to do more work to keep the gun aligned as the ammo runs out and the balance changes.

I’m now imagining a top gun movie parody but it’s drones operators

@zidniafifamani2378

3 ай бұрын

So Ace Combat, Project Wingman or DCS?.

@MrSquigglies

3 ай бұрын

That sounds awesome copyright that shit now lol

@MrSquigglies

3 ай бұрын

It would be like that racing movie that just came out about the gamer who started racing for real.

@demian_csomic_winters9484

3 ай бұрын

Imagine a death race movie but with drones no risk of human life if done well

@NelsonZAPTM

3 ай бұрын

Mavic living in his mom's basement, eating pop tarts?

Rip having quadcopters as a hobby, there's gonna be SO many rules in a year or two Also, love how the Phantom has become the universal target drone

@CharChar2121

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was only a matter of time.

Don't have a drone but a couple things I can forsee: 1) Drones using micromunitions. A while back, Sandia National Laboratory developed a .50 BMG laser guided bullet for the EXACTO program. With MEMS, miniaturized munitions will be perfect for drone armaments and could quite possibly turn a 12 gauge shotgun into a miniaturized M320 chain gun with airbursting ammunition. Lochkeed Martin also developed a 40mm Hit To Kill missile and Raytheon developed the 40mm Pike mini missile. An anti-drone system could have a pod of mini missiles at the ready that would have the same logistical footprint as a can of 40mm grenades for the Mk19. 2) Drone defense would end up being a layered system like the dual gun/missile system of the Russian Kashtan/Tunguska/Pantsir systems, but with the added layer of a laser or microwave gun. The laser would probably be the primary weapon with the guns and missiles as redundancy. 3) Given the low radar and thermal signature of a drone, you might see targeting systems and their munitions use acoustic fuzing to home in on the drone rotor noise. 4)I would not be surprised if you start seeing beefed up versions of 90mm ducted fan RC airplanes with small caliber guns (5.7x28 or smaller) used as drone/human interceptors, albeit in a limited role. Hell, some might be performing some sort of SEAD missions. Just home in on radar emissions or likely radar sites and send out an RC F-4 Phantom loaded with chaff or micromunitions to harass or cripple systems. 5) Drone to drone combat would probably be a brief thing, as developments in anti-drone tech might limit the scenarios in which drones might be effectively used, but it would be cool to see.

@demun6065

3 ай бұрын

2) EW would probably be the first layer of defence. Besides that, very good points

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

@@demun6065EW can be worked around by * directional UPWARD StarShield sat links that shield against or ignore lateral EM flux * directional shielded “cantennas” on a pivoting gimbal to point towards the controller in a triple mount to also point at +-30° so if LEFT sees more signal than RIGHT, rotate right Encode all command signals with encryption keys or validation cyphers

@fematrailer

3 ай бұрын

Whenever I see shotguns mounted on drones being suggested, I have to think about: 1.) How hard the recoil is on the frame of the drone. The fact that it's suspended in air means that it either has to compensate for it or risk instability in the air. Either way, it's gotta be a maintenance nightmare. 2.) Ammunition limitations. There's only so many shotgun rounds you can fit in a way that can feed the gun. Remember that it must return to be reloaded. I think the best thing would be something like a chaingun with a cartridge like .22 short, but center-fire for better reliability. People mistake the term "chaingun" for "mini-gun," but I mean that the weapon is electronically operated to mitigate malfunctions (since there's no one to manually clear it.) The cartridge would be low recoil and small, so it shouldn't cause as many maintenance problems and could be belted up in a drum. The projectile is low enough velocity that it shouldn't create too much collateral risk, as the velocity and kinetic energy of each pellet in a 12 ga. 00 buckshot is about the same as a single round of .22 long, so if that's deemed "low collateral risk," then this would be too. The projectiles could be tracers or self-destructing if they need to be, but I don't see that as likely. And since the chaingun is operated electronically, the rate of fire could theoretically be adjusted as need be, as the I don't think it would need a very high rate of fire necessarily. With the proper gimbal, sensors, camera, and software, this could be a much cheaper way for drones to engage other drones effectively, especially if they were used in teams to escort the reconnaissance, anti-armor, or anti-personnel drones. The would, of course, also be good at the platoon-level to intercept artillery-spotting drones. I don't know much it would help against the FPV threat or against drone-dropped grenades, as it's really hard to stop those if they've already spotted you.

@elburropeligroso4689

3 ай бұрын

@@fematrailer Shotguns can be engineered with low recoil impulse like the AA-12, so it is not impossible; also there are weapons mounts like a Laffette mount that could be upgraded and/or lightened to better suit the application. Russia and China have been developing beefed up quadcopters with RPG's and other stuff. Jonathan Wild from Wild Arms Development revived a Fliegerfaust complete with 20mm rockets. And since we know that guidance packages can be made as small as .50 caliber as evidenced by the EXACTO program, you could have laser guided 20mm "Paveway" rockets able to be launched from a drone. The point was not of mounting shotguns per se, but that with MEMS, a 12 gauge could be turned into an airburst weapon, capable of being mounted on a drone. The US and South Korea have developed airbursting munitions as small as 20mm for the XM29 and K11, respectively. 20mm is roughly the same diameter as a 12 gauge shotshell, so it wouldn't be a stretch to adapt an airbursting fuze mechanism to a 12 gauge. Also, since 12 gauge shotguns are part of most militaries logistics trains, it would be a lot easier integrated than some specialty caliber. Also, if worst came to worst, a drone outfitted with a 12 gauge could be loaded up with buckshot.

@theimmortal4718

3 ай бұрын

Don't forget there's something such as amrams- missiles designed to hit radars and jammers. Purpose designed loitering drones they do the same thing soon. Use EW, get an explosive kamikaze drone on your head. Also, drones are layered. Ground UGVs- 1. Ground drones with claymores 2. Ground drones with antitank mines 3.missile and machine gun armed ground drones 4. Recon and radio repeater drones 5. Engineer drones for mine clearance 6. Supply drones carrying food, ammo, water, and other goodies to troops 7. Patrol drones for anti drone defense 8. Antiarcraft drones networked together that are on sentry duty and periodically change locations UAVs- 1. Micro copters at squad level for recon 2. Platoon level quad copters for overwatch and targeting 3. FPV drones with AT/AP warheads to knock out bunkers, armored vehicles, and HVTs 4. Loitering drones for long range targets 5. Drone defense copters with ramming ability for hitting small drones plus explosives if helicopters are in the area 6. Anti fighter drones with rocket assisted terminal attack phase for hitting low flying aircraft 7. Radar and jammer seeking drones 8. Long range stealth loitering munitions for theater based operations I'm GWOT, we were constantly aware of the IED threat. The saying was that the design and implementation of IEDs were only limited by the imagination. This is next level IEDs, except now, they come at you at 100 mph

This was exactly how aircraft first started their military life. Originally as observers, then ground attack, when they started taking up hand grenades to drop on troops, then dedicated bombs. Then someone thought "What if i take a rifle up or a hand gun, then I can chase those pesky airplanes away from above our troops"

@gavins9846

3 ай бұрын

we're going full circle. What's next down the line, drone carrier vehicles?

@oompalumpus699

2 ай бұрын

​@@gavins9846 Yep. I think the South Koreans are planning something like that for their navy. Dedicated drone carrier ship.

@Moses_VII

Ай бұрын

​@@oompalumpus699 Iran and Turkey have drone carriers already. TCG Anadolu and Shahid Mahdavi.

This has probably been already commented on but: Drones are pretty much repeating the history of military aircraft from their first attempts. History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhythm.

@oompalumpus699

2 ай бұрын

The best thing about drones is that you don't lose the pilot when a drone is destroyed. Compare that to losing an ace jet fighter pilot. We don't have skilled jet fighter pilots just lying around.

I use my FPV drone to chase my buddies around on dirt bikes. It’s really fun.

@Aby0ni2

Ай бұрын

Sounds much more sinister after watching the video 😂

IMHO, it would also be better for small land armies or even small nations to reconsider the acquisition of (500+) multipurpose drones that can be reconfigured and used as mortar/grenade droppers, resupply drones, reconnaissance drones, gun armed drones, and ATGM armed drones.

@user-ou9qd9no5n

3 ай бұрын

500? lol, this so lack

Drones are in the same space of utility and development that biplanes were in WW1, their development, with regards to military application, has only really just begun. which is quite terrifying when you think about it.

Well, the Gyrodyne QH-50 DASH at the end of the 50s and start of the 60s could drop Torpedos.

Will drones shoot at eachother? Yes, but EW will also be a big part of drone warfare. It's less a question of 'if' and more a question of 'when' drone warfare will take the next step. The technology certainly exists and war between great powers would be horrifyingly deadly.

Great video on the first 'practical' opposition to the drones we are controlling the air space

Well, you don't have to synchronize your machine gun to fire through the propeller hub if it is above you

Combining squad-level drones with smart bullets could be interesting.

Last year there was a tethered demo of a Jackal drone from a UK company called Flyby Technology which is apparently partnered with a Turkish company. The demo showed the firing of two Martlet missiles, the launchers are also compatible with Starstreak. Looks like a pretty nasty bit of kit.

YES..this will be one of the best ways to give a unit proper protection from small and medium tactical drones

In my opinion, drones with anti-drone capabilities wont shoot bullets at each other. They will use microwave antennas and aim them at other drones by overloading their operating sensors, and as a last resort , they will be equipped with net firing devices to drop drones from closer range.

@aitorbleda8267

3 ай бұрын

A bit late for that. If attacking, current drones in Ukraine keep going towards the target (basic ai models) and otherwise return to preprogrammed safe area (not where operator is) So tou don't destroy them

@TheBooban

3 ай бұрын

Why should they do all that when firing a bullet is much easier?

@KarlKarpfen

3 ай бұрын

@@TheBooban microwaving the enemy isn't easier than firing a bullet, but after that, we will see bullets go flying, first shotguns, later machine guns and auto cannons.

@mp-hk6ln

2 ай бұрын

Shotguns and Shotgun shells will be a lot more available and replaceable plus shotguns will also be a lot more versatile against different targets than other than drones

@KarlKarpfen

2 ай бұрын

@@mp-hk6ln will they really? Shotguns and shotgun shells are an oddity in market share of firearms, after all. The last developments to arm some machine with shotguns (planes and helicopters) ended with machine guns and auto cannons as the armament or even missiles instead, as they proved more effective.

Anduril sure likes autonomy

@dovlacro6382

3 ай бұрын

Better to say: Exclusivity

Interesting question. Drones could very well follow the evolution of combat aircraft along with their roles. Started with recon, then dropping small bombs by hand, then fighters, dedicated bombers, interceptors, multi-role. We could run out of operators, but physically limited people could be recruited.

In the US we already have federal and state laws banning mounting gun and weapons to drones. Look up 49 USC 44802.

@robertharper3754

3 ай бұрын

Sad American noises....... ☹😢😭

Cool vid. Hope you’re healing well. 👍🏼

I forsee drones as a part of active defence for infantry, maybe combined with some sort of powered armor system so poor dirstsucker can carry all that power snd base station systems. Other alternative would be a robo dog acting as a hub for fliers of different types to unload the burden on meatsacks. I mean, Ukraine apparently fields drone motherships with kamikaze quads as payload..

I like the idea of a drone that drops a wet towel or a net on the props of the other drone to foul its' props... Perhaps aerial nets deployed like barrage balloons from WW1/WW2... I also like the idea of dog-fighting drones, like I used to do with R/C planes when I was young... (You had to cut a trailing ribbon with the prop of your plane to win a shootdown...) ;)

Drones flying around with shotguns attached is kind of scary

@exploatores

3 ай бұрын

you got to be shure where you aim. at least when you are over friendly areas.

Instead of a normal shotgun with the effects of recoil that needs to be counteracted, there will be a need for a "recoilless" shotgun system. Perhaps something like a modernized gyrojet with buckshot. Then, fixed into a forward firing orientation, we can use FPV drones as actual fighter aircraft. The drone with a swivel gun is just the next step in the WW1-style evolution of air combat: from pure reconnaissance, to dropping grenades, to swinging ad hoc guns in turrets at each other, to really creating purpose-driven air-to-air systems.

It seems obvious that drones - like other UAVs - that they should be armed. What's more, given the availability of light shotguns and submachineguns, it should be able to be done relatively cheaply. The expensive part will be the software, which can be in the controlling computer, not aboard the drone.

Depending on the investments into Drone warfare we could see something as advanced as a mini fighter aircraft. The problem with mounting guns is the recoil and limited ammo. LASERS or RAIL guns would require too much power so those are out. The next best thing might be a mico missile like the Pike a 40mm guided munition with airburst capabilities up to 2km. Or a rocket version that drops and then ignigts, not causing the drone to be disturbed by the firing of the munition. This would be far more accurate and of course with the right warhead devastating to a number of targets.

@elburropeligroso4689

3 ай бұрын

I would not be surprised if we see 60mm mortar rounds being fitted with a miniaturized JDAM package and dropped from drones.

@ChristopherSloane

3 ай бұрын

@@elburropeligroso4689 We have the tech now to make missiles the size of a pringles can and can maneuver

@elburropeligroso4689

3 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherSloane Yes, I am aware of those. I can definitely see them being used in an anti drone defense capacity, like how the Russian Kashtan/Tunguska/Pantsir CIWS systems are setup, and perhaps even as part of a drone strike package, but the thing limiting it's usage would be the cost. IIRC, Raytheons Pike 40mm missile is around $12,000 per missile, whereas a 60mm mortar round is about $330 per round. If a mini JDAM guidance package for the 60mm could be made for $4000, it would still be much more cost effective, and it wouldn't have to be hardened against shock and setback like the Excalibur GPS guided rounds.

@luannguyen8129

3 ай бұрын

at 4k a shot it might be cheaper to just build kamikaze drones with prox fuses and what ever standard munition is avaliable @@elburropeligroso4689

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

@@elburropeligroso4689consider the g forces during launch of a mortar vs electronics and motors, rotors, etc This is not impossible, but so far the preferred version has been STRIX ... 120mm self steering thermal seeking HEAT top-attack anti tank ... From Bofors I think, in Swedish service (Preferably from the AMOS or NEMO smart mortar turrets) Or A few other smaller self steering mortar rounds from the 80s that I can't remember the names of Vs lower g forces ... Compressed air launched like switchblade 300 and 600 Although I prefer the idea of a bomber version of switchblade 600 that can be configured to drop 30 grenades individually on command or a single anti tank submunition like SADARM or BONUS

Of course. The war logic is immutable. In WW1 early aircraft were used as reconnaissance assets but, as this was a huge tactical problem, it became necessary to destroy them by developing other aircraft which could shoot them down. The historical analogy is almost TOO perfect.

Eventually I see a massive deployment of drones for various uses being dropped on a objective. Micro drones to take out infantry, anti armor and equipment drones to take out tanks, APCs, arty ect.... These are backed by recon and targeting drones. Lotering drones hit target fleeing the area. Ground based drones patrol and take out infantry and or vehicle as needed in interlocking ambush positions. Remote mines are deployed as well that can scatter various mines as needed. Then a few Kms away remote operated automated rocket or morter systems can direct fire as needed coordinated with the recon drones. The area is saturated with a numerous disposable drones. as well as other weapons systems working on concert to eliminate every sort of threat with not a single human being on the ground near the fight. The human part is some dudes sitting in a air conditioned pod controlling all these units.

was watching th other day some smaller drone Greece is developing with multiple anti tank missiles on them 1-2-4 missiles and 10 ? 15 ? more drones some wr underwater like a torpedo shaped . tho the one with the anti tank is the one that impressed m

Amazed how accurate Call of Duty Black Ops 2 Predicted Warfare in the year 2025

@jimmyseaver3647

3 ай бұрын

In that regard, we are more-or-less on schedule. Someone was on point when setting up how its conflict would be waged.

WOW AMAZING!

That is the nature of warfare in that every measure has a counter measure and every counter measure a counter counter measure and so on. The key factors here is time, how does it take to develop a counter measure, cost, how much does the counter measure cost vs the measure it is countering, and side effects, how does the counter measure effect over all operations. But there is another factor as well, PR, where winning the PR war is getting to be almost as important as winning the military war as well. The other factor seems to be military industrial complex cultural agility, how fast a side can adapt to new emerging paradigms. All this, if nothing else, does make a bit of job security for engineers! The also there are spin offs where an arms race produces non military spin offs such as it did with aviation during WW1 and the miniaturization of militarization electronics in the 80's.For example I remember well the VHSIC program (Very High Speed Integrated Circuits) back in the 80's. BTW, that said, it seems AI and Humanoid robots might be the next big paradigm shift, bot for industry and for militaries, though it may be yet a few years off but probably less than 5 years before we start seeing those appear on the battlefield.

@RonLWilson

3 ай бұрын

BTW, being a retired engineer with some experience developing CONOPS for advanced systems, I now have nothing much better to do than sit around and think up new ideas that employ the latest technologies... gives me something to do! So here is a way to make a stealth UGV. First off Google: Israeli Automotive Company Has Developed a Modular Electric Car Now imagine adding a shallow deck above the battery so that under the deck one can place cargo items ad on the top of the deck one scoops dirt. Now this then might be hard to spot both by day and by night from a UAV from the air as it moves along the ground. Also, one could employ this to cross rivers at night if one adds floats to it and places a shallow tray of water filled with water at the same temperature as the river in that the temperature contrast ratio of it seen by an IR sensor form the UAV from the air above it with that of the river would be really low and thus hard to detect. So maybe UGVs are where we might see the next round of innovations in military hardware and ops. Also one could add whatever weapon or sensor one might want to add to the modular car or seats if one wants to carry infantry but do this on site in the field where it is to be employed and not in some remote base.

Drone vs drone where guns will be used is only really viable in low threat situations. In a warzone swarms would just overwhelm defenses like this. The best defense would be ground assist be it a base or vehicle using AA systems with airburst. Which is why I'm so amazed that tanks aren't using 40mm grenade launchers paired with their trophy system. In fact it's the single most important ammo type that could be used vs drones and RPGs.

@dposcuro

3 ай бұрын

Because grenade launchers have shit range. _Especially_ against moving targets. Low velocity of the projectile makes it almost entirely pointless. Yes, it might be helpful against suicide drones. Won't argue that. But against any kind of projectile launching drones? Or Spotter drones? Utterly useless. Even 40mm HV grenades only have a muzzle velocity of ~790 fps or 240m/s, that is less velocity than the M1911 pistol. It would be far more practical to use a smaller caliber, higher velocity munition, like the M230 LF 30mm chaingun, or something else. Shit, even a 5.56mm mg would have far better engagement range.

i believe the shotgun on the drone with older gentleman is an AA12

On August 25 in the year 1914 - just after the start of "The big war" which is known today as World War One - the russian Captain Pyotr Nesterov rammed an Albatross of FLIK 11. This was very similar to today's intercept tactics against drones. Imagine that today's drones are the Sopwith Camel or Fokker D7 of our time. What may drones look like in 25 or 50 years? And how would they fight?

I though a Drone with AA 12 automatic shotgun would be enough and leave enough distance so if it the target drone blows up will not destroy the drone with aa12

Drones today, are going through the same stage of evolution that aircraft went through during WW1. The next stage will be like fighters during WW2. Increasingly competent air to air hunter killers. And they won't be Quad-copters - that is a suboptimal expedient. They will be much more like a P-39 Airacobra form factor. Or some sort of morphing flying wing - like the Transwing Or maybe a tiltrotor - like the, Eagle Eye tiltrotor UAV

Here's my idea for a new sport: 1) equip RC plane models with cameras and proportionately sized guns and missiles; 2) Control them via flight simulator cockpits; 3) Have them fight each other and televise it! P.S: do the same with tanks.

We have guided bullets that can adjust direction on the fly so it isnt hard to imagine miniaturized hellfires or stinger missles either.

@CharChar2121

3 ай бұрын

That would defeat the main benefit of using drones - they're cheap.

@khublieoldschoolgamer5737

3 ай бұрын

@@CharChar2121 you're absolutely right , but?

Low frying drones can be handled with a 12ga buck & bird shot

@dposcuro

3 ай бұрын

Good luck with that.

@xxxlonewolf49

3 ай бұрын

@@dposcuro you're not too bright I see

The evolution of modern drones matches the development of aircraft in WW1. Firstly start as recon assets. Then move to bombing. Then realise that you need to address hostile Recce & bombers so create "fighters". This initially starts with hacking current machines (pistols & shotguns in WW1) and then moving on to dedicated fighters. For drone armament I would have thought that recoilless weapons would be prefered. Range is not a major concern as simply spotting the opposition is an issue. So will we see belt fed recoilless small caliber weapons invented? Are we going to see "RAM Grenades" from the old RPG Traveller coming soon?

Can any shotgun with birdshot or buckshot shell work on mini drone?

That was the creator of the AA-12

i had this idea some time ago, making it diy under an DJI haha, using an plastic share pin captured countermass breachbloch that would have an paracute to slow it down and 10-20m aramid string to bring it back for reuse. esentially an recoiless shotgun.

Yo matsimus, drone on drone seems silly to me. If you can build a drone fast/maneuverable enough, then so can the otherside. Truck mounted focused-radar could be used to overload drone circuits with overvoltage aswell as speaking overtop of the drones command signal. Also canada needa the old radar bases of the pine-tree line reactivated for west coast drone defense and have every major city get access to 3 radar trucks and 6 generator trucks for civil drone defense. So our cops can do thier part.

I fly r/c quads and hex copter. For fun mostly. I did some racing. Also videos for companies before the laws changed

They have their place for sure its not a wrong idea or doctrine for sure !

People get super paranoid when they know you are watching them from a drone. I'm a bit old for that but I have trolled people with the drones on several occasions

Adding a shotgun might be a great idea for vehicle crews that might become targets of small drone attacks while on march. It might become a sport of the future to shoot down drones like one does clay discs on a shooting range. More defensive gun-type aplications might be autocannon armed RWS systems independently capable of detecting and targeting small nearby flying objects. Perhaps missiles as well, but they have a whole lot different flight profile and it might be difficult for an affordable system to be able counter both.

the aim of drone development is to make it small, stealthy, cheap, and easier to operate than an aircraft, while having some mission capability that was previously, exclusively belongs to aircraft (air reconnaissance, ordnance delivery). a fighter drone needs a reliable mean to seek and destroy/disable a hostile drone. something that weighs only a fraction of drone mass, yet effective enough to find, track, and destroy.

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

2 ways to be cheap A rod sticks out in front of your drone with 4 prongs holding a mesh net open ... Just ram the other drone A MAUL shotgun tube of 6 rounds stacked, individually electrically fireable, no moving parts

I think it could be made in a way so the back side of the shell was unsupported so it could blow out for recoil reduction.

If before flight you load up a big enough capacicator, you could, in theory put a laser weapon on it, it'd be 1 time use because you can carry a big enough battery, but it could work

@dposcuro

3 ай бұрын

Call me crazy, but that seems like a pretty pointless defensive measure. I mean, you have one chance to destroy the target, and only one chance. What would be the benefit of it, over mounting a machinegun?

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

@@dposcuro or a single tube of a MAUL shotgun of 6 individual shots, no moving parts or extra weight, just electric firing

@icannon6611

2 ай бұрын

@dposcuro it basically becomes an anti material weapon, if you need to kill communications, surveillance systems, optics, anything. And it'd be reusable, just recharge it

Hello. I have been building anti-drone guided rockets that chase down a drone a half mile away to throw a net and parachute on them. I hope to attach it to a friend’s tactical drone project soon. Working on the legality of it all in the states. This is gonna be big. It’s already terrifying.

Only if they could make a drone that could drop several cluster munitions or several grenades at once so it would impact a larger area and a better chance to hit a target bc if one didn't hit then maybe one of the others would

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

Bomber version of switchblade 600 ... Like 30 individual grenades of different types for extended hunting or a single SADARM or BONUS anti tank submunition

I'd imagine something like an FPV with a lower recoil round like a belt-fed .22 (AP-T) chaingun in a centerline (again, recoil) configuration would be a viable option against a "low-HP" target like a drone. 🤔

Forwarned is Forearmed, You should join a local FPV racing club, it could help you in the future 😉

PRDC company produced drones - Joint Venture Republika Serbia and Kingdom Saudi Arabia CONSTRUCTION DRONES KAMIKAZE ... constructor MileR 001 ...

Wonder why they went with a pump action shot gun instead of a semi auto? Semi Auto you could just load and go, don't have to have a mechanism on board to rack the pump to load the next round. Weights on either are similar, so wouldn't be a weight issue, and even if it was, the mechanism to operate the pump action, would easily out weight that which would already be built into a semi auto shot gun. Less recoil for the drone on a semi auto as well.

I wonder what shotgun load the interceptors use.

If you want to keep drones small, I would mount a 5.7 round (p90) type of weapon. Less kick and more range and lethality. Gun armed drones are the next step.

I'm surprised nobody developed an autonomous AI driven fixed wing drone for killing other drones. They should scale down that autonomous AI combat pilot program for the F16 to fit onto a drone for hunting other drones.

Can't believe you didn't mention Jackal the first small guided missile firing guided missiles.

I would think a Javelin system mounted on a drone and put 2 missile pods on it, make it so they can be changed out just like a regular Javelin and that would be a true hunter on the battlefield!

@CharChar2121

3 ай бұрын

That would be a very expensive drone.

@BluegrassKnight

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, military drones tend to do that, of course these drones do more than fly themselves or do tricks, they kill shit!@@CharChar2121

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

That would be a large, heavy, slow, noisy drone ... But even a single-launcher type would extend anti tank attack range hugely without need to overly the target ... = fly into jamming range If your target-vehicle is within 5 miles, there's a 120mm mortar round called STRIX that's a thermal seeker self steering HEAT but you need to get it vaguely over its target ... Like to get your aim point within 200m Similarly for artillery, BONUS and SADARM and Smart155 ... Each deploy 2 submunitions to spin out and parachute and look for targets thermally then detonate a shaped charge HEAT ... But you need to aim them generally above your target ... 35 km range But father back from the artillery emplacement / battle-front than 35km and this is technically possible ... But unwise to send a huge reusable drone in deep and with a huge transmitter to handle that distance etc etc etc ... At that point, just send a thermal-image seeker type missile

@BluegrassKnight

2 ай бұрын

I have seen some pretty powerful drones and they weren't as big as you'd think, plus I'm sure they can cut weight and miniaturize somethings! They could use your idea and go with one tube or perhaps use a simpler system, like LAWS, IGLA, or some other kind, there are a few! Either way I believe it would be very useful and bad ass!@@markwood4555

I would love to learn to fly drones. There are a few applications for small commercial drones in Traing in the air cadets squadron I volunteer with. From search and rescue training to principles of flight.

Shotgun as main armament for the Anti-drone drone (lets call it quad-fighter) is quite logical - it multiplies chance of hitting the target drone. Shotguns are being used in duck hunting for the same reason through ages. It should be even better, to have multiple shells and something akin shotgun machinegun, but for drone, weight would be a problem, therefore not much of ammo onboard. Another advantageous weapon for anti-drone engagement is heavy machinegun, or light canon shooting one-shots. Reason for that is, it allows the projectile to be big enough, to have self guiding after being shot capabilities, and explode with shrapnels in direct vicinity of target - similary to CWIS point defence ammo. Because of recoil though, those guns would do better on VTOL aircraft-like purpose-build fighter drone (design similar to smaller and VTOL capable A10 warthog, or gun possessing road runner drone), and at least in the case of canon, in recoilless version. Last type of feasible weaponry for fighter drone would be small, self-guided rocket (the downside to that would be the price for one shot). In situation, where you need to suppress or destroy enemy drone(s), i can immagine ussage of variation of road runner drone. Either armed with a gun, or some directed explosion shrapnell based charge, wich would NOT destroy the rocket drone itself, and optimaly can swich the charge midflight from internal magazine. Another possibility, how to counter newly risen UCAV threat, might be automatic anti-UCAV UGCVs. Small AA tank, with sensors and automated reaction on any close moving (and/or) on "collision course" moving drones, armed with some of previously mentioned weapon(s) and much bigger ammo supply, than any flying drone could bare. But best solution with drones is, to localize both drone and its operator, and either send the operator precisely directed artilery package, air strike, or one of your own armed drones.

Battle bots, but in the air

I think they already have.

Miniaturization has its limits, and power density will be a huge factor on the limitation. But I guess the Ford T Model didn't exactly foreshadowed a Bugatti Veyron... They do seem to be useful, so it certainly will be further developed. Is it a wonder weapon, fixing all our problems? Of course not!

ARMED drone fighters are a level above (like platoon or company level weapons), while small FPV quadcopters with a grenade or cluster submunition (either "bombers" or loitering ammunitions) are squad level stuff. Those small guys can be programmed (applying the face recognition softwares from smartphones, for example) to perform... Well, perform the same az the AGM-65 Maverick missile in the 1970's, except with XXIst century electronics and against small targets - albeit with much lower relative speeds. A small, cheap and - with some luck - reusable MANPADS.

Cheap problems require cheap solutions

I think the future is in FPV. when flying drone find drone the FPV gives huge advantage. I have practiced with friends. I have also rigged FPV goggles to RC tanks. and battled friends, who used the other tanks just rc and line of sight. accuracy both in driving and in shooting is much better with FPV.

I don't think small drones fighting other small drones (except maby some suicide systems) are the future. I think we will see more ground-based small anti-air systems on vehicles or even stationery. Things like proximity fuzed 40mm grenades or 7,62×51 fired from automatic turrets, small missiles, electronic countermeasures and directed energy weapons like lasers and microwaves.

Bout damn time. Get rekt skynet.

i find very useful the task of anti-tank plataform, better at hiding that an helicopter, because for what I saw, the use of machineguns in drones make them shake like crazy, another great use, (if the capacity is sufficient) is medevac, I saw a video from krynky where the ukranians were evacuating a WIA in a boat, considering the laberint of rivers that are present in the area, a big drone can do a straight line to safety, and maybe even more quicker.

The M4 is a semiauto

at 5:57 , is that a real drone with twin guns ? I think for drone vs. drone to work on battlefields with widespread counter-drones+GPS jamming , fighters drones need to be autonomous in targeting and navigation . It needs to be able to return to base without GPS .

Drone vs drone action has already been happening over Ukraine.

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Shotgun drone for counter sniper Ops

4:13 “skynet defense rounds”. Bro, what?

I wonder if drones could use echolocation to find other drones, just like bats find their prey?

Dark part 67

I think the best kinetic counter to a drone would be a smaller drone than crashes into drones, wouldn't it?

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

Stick a rod on it facing forward with 4 prongs holding a mesh net open ... Fly *that* into the opponent drone and yours is undamaged

I think drones won't use guns, nor electromagnetic waves, but instead will ram into each other like Anduril Anvil.

Stick arms with swords on them, have them fly close. Katana duels in the sky.

Wouldn’t a big drone fired net be best?

Coming to a city near you. Drive bys will soon be a thing of the past.

I think it would be easier to use mini explosive drones or micro missles rather than hanging a whole shotgun off the bottom of it.

The most obvious thing would be to get the nerds who fly drones in tournaments to be remotely linked via satellite so they can fly from the comfort of their own homes, no combat risk and no need to undertake full millitary training.the safeguard must be in place that the drone is only armed 100 meters away from launch.ill bet the Chinese and Russian are working on this

So what about this: autocannon (20mm) drones (the size of a helicopter) maybe with some Hellfire/Aim-9 missiles? PS: I remember that I played ARMA 3 about 4 years ago and there was a DLC that introduced a drone like this (the MQ-12 Falcon), the most OP shit I use to f-up the day of my friends!

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

Big enough to carry that much and they can be easily found by s300 etc SAMs Instead aim for numerous cooperating swarm drones each with their own small capability but too small to be picked out on radar ... Carrying a stinger or StarStreak is possible while other drones act as grenade or BONUS bombers or MAUL shotgun anti drone fighters

We’ve had quite a few months now of intense drone warfare in Ukraine and I haven’t seen significant use of anti-drone drones or drone dogfights. Although the idea is cool, not sure how practical it is. Or rather if other counters are more feasible.

what is the diffrence between a missile and a kamakazi drone.

@markwood4555

3 ай бұрын

Missile implies autonomous Drone implies an operator remote piloting via first-person view goggles

Now that im thinking about it, why arent car drones more common? And i dont mean something like the swords, those Lil drones, i mean proper cars like a hilux or a technical as they call it, why not a unmanned technical?

How about a small missile the size of a bullet that flys a couple of hundred yards:)

No, it is unoperative. You need counter drone measures at platoon level because you have drones deployable at platoon level. You want to stop a kamikaze drone impacting a trench/tank/artillery piece with a machinegun gun dron? Good luck with it, if you can put enought people in the "not so much the front line", just away from the worst, dedicated to this role it may be usefull. But other wise I deem it unoperative.

Ramming mid air is not new. RC enthousiasts have been doing that with foam airplanes for ages.

there will be no boots on the ground.....

drone mtd direct energy weapons

hammer drone?