Correction - The quote from Bill Russell was about John Paxson, NOT Steve Kerr, Steve Kerr didn't play on the Bulls in the 1991-1992 season, he didn't join the Bulls until the 93-94 season.

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Maxmillian200HP ...

The 60s and the 70s were very underrated eras

One thing you have to realize when you are comparing players from different era's. They dominate because of what is in them, what drives them, what motivates them, there work ethic off the court. So if a guy had that in the 50's, fast forward him to the 70's, and he still dominates because what is in him. Avail him to all the training and nutrition they have now, he would still dominate because of what is in him. He would rise to the occasion and make the adjustment required to be successful. If you could imagine this, what would those guys would have been like, if they had all the specialized training they have now ? Starting from Junior High. They would dominate because of what is in them.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

1000%. Dude can you imagine Wilt, Bill, Thurmond, Baylor, etc with today’s training 😳. Like legit what are you going to do to stop them, fucking QUINTUPLE TEAM THEM???

It drives me crazy that the stature of guys I grew up on, the 80's stars are slowly diminishing over time and tons of fans think the world began in 1991. That being said the guys I always go to war over are the 60's guys. So many myths and misconceptions...guys like Baylor, Wilt, Russell were athletic freaks that put up insane numbers playing in canvass sneakers taking bus trips and without the benefits of modern medical care or diet...and the competition was insane...people today don't know about how good Walt Bellamy or Nate Thurmond were and Russell was winning 11 rings playing those guys 15 times per year each. It makes me insane, I get in arguments all the time but in the end time goes on...it is nice that KZread has brought a lot of these players to younger fans and I encourage fans to take the time to check these guys out - they are worth it!

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Cash Chuckers Completely agree. Well said!

@wvu05

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. These haters don't seem to understand that fewer teams means that talent was more concentrated, so if you were a center, you were playing against Hall of Fame talent almost every night.

@Rvench

2 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 all players now have it easy they don't have to be good or great or even try on defense anymore. All they have to be able to do is shoot threes and be able to pass and handle the ball which is much easier to do now since the rules are so lenient now anyway.

@wvu05

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rvench And every team overuses analytics to the point where every team is a carbon copy of the other.

@dct124

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, well said. Elgin was active duty in the army while in the NBA. Also with the low number of teams, their were many guys trying to get into the league regularly. Not to mention our world population has more than doubled today.

nate Thurmond look like he just stepped out of the prison yard. I take him in a fight against anyone in todays era.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

So fucking right. Only guy that could put up a fight is maybe James Johnson.

@Mr.56Goldtop

2 жыл бұрын

Smart bet.

@josephmcfarland8442

Жыл бұрын

He and Gus Johnson were high school teammates

Jerry west would benefit in this era considering he was a such a great shooter and difficult shot maker. He’d just have to make the transition to palming the for dribbling, and I think he would be great especially added with today’s conditioning

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Yea that’s true. I have no doubts that it would be anything less than easy for him to dribble how players dribble now considering it’s much easier. And yes his shooting ability would give him a major upside considering he was one of if not the best long range shooter of his time

@KISS_MY_CONVERSE

4 жыл бұрын

palming would be easy for him. You think these players went to the park and dribbled the same way. hell no, all the flashy stuff players do now, they were doing at the park in which nobody would call palming and stuff like that.

@lloydkline6946

4 жыл бұрын

Jerry west, maybe the best pullup jump shooter ever, if Jerry west was twenty again he would he to play in the developed league for a year, playing college basketball does not prepare nba either, they got DVDs on basketball, former nba players teach basketball etc etc, Jerry west one of first nba players to jump over people to shoot the basketball

@dylanolson4600

4 жыл бұрын

Dill Skin so then why’d you say he’d be the b worst player in the league today?🤔

not a 60's player but Dave Cowens from the 70's would totally kick ass as a small ball center in today's NBA... 1st team all NBA every year.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking at his bio and stats just the other day and man oh man is that guy underrated. Rarely hear his name in conversations but like you said he would be a hell of a Center with today’s ball and was back then too

@Amick44

Жыл бұрын

More 2nd team. Kareem usually 1st.

Terrific video in an age where perception is often placed above fact. It's important to note that although the Celtics were the Team of the 60's, the lone team (e.g., 1966-1967 76ers) to defeat them is considered to be 1 of the top 5 NBA teams of all-time. That Sixers squad was 46-4 after 50 games; they set a then NBA record 68-13; crushed the Celtics 4-1 in the Eastern Conference Finals: won the NBA title in 6 games over the Warriors; and Wilt Chamberlain put forth the greatest playoff run in NBA history. In 15 playoff games, Chamberlain averaged 21.7 points, 29.1 rebounds, 9.0 assists, and 9.2 blocked shots. He accomplished this against the two greatest under 7 foot defensive centers (e.g., Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond) in NBA history. In addition, Luke Jackson was the power forward on that Sixers squad, and he should have been added to your list of great power forwards from the 60's. Zelmo Beaty was also a HOF center who was not included on your list of great centers from the 60's.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

PhilC great fucking comment man! I swore I added Zelmo Beatey but I’m going to be honest I have never heard of Luke Jackson. I’ll have to look him up. But 9.2 blocks though... 😳

@pjtheory

4 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin At 6'9 1/2" 270 pounds, Luke Jackson was a monster of a man who began his career with the 76ers at center, but was switched to power forward after the team acquired Wilt Chamberlain in a trade during the 1964-1965 season. Jackson was considered to be the 2nd strongest NBA player of his era, he was athletic, and he had a sweet jump shot as evidenced by clips of him draining 20-25 foot jumpers in the 1967 playoffs. Although the 1986 Celtics are considered to have the greatest front line (e.g., Parrish, McHale, Bird, and Walton) in NBA history, the 1967 76ers front line (e.g., Chamberlain, Jackson, Walker, and Cunningham) are not far behind. Even though blocked shots were not an official statistic until 1973, many team statisticians and local sports writers kept track of blocked shots. Due to the diligence of 76er statistician Harvey Pollack and Philadelphia 76er beat writers, we know that Chamberlain averaged 9.2 blocked shots in the 1967 playoffs.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

PhilC Wow dude. I’m getting some Nate Thurmond vibes with him playing PF alongside Wilt Chamberlain

@pjtheory

4 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin That's an apt comparison, but Thurmond was out of place at the PF position whereas Jackson thrived in his new role. Maurice Stokes was the first true PF, followed by Bob Petit, Willis Reed, Luke Jackson, and Gus Johnson. Similar to Thurmond, Reed was far better at Center than at PF.

@masterchief5833

3 жыл бұрын

@@pjtheory hey what happened to that 76s team? How come they didnt continue to win

You forgot two great small forwards. First, Jerry Sloan of Chicago Bulls. He even lead the team in rebounds despite standing just 6’5”. Also, the original Mr. Nice Guy (also my dad’s childhood hero), Jack Twyman. He even taught Oscar Robertson to use elbows during their college days. Otherwise, great video! The 60s NBA also had a lot of intelligent players.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

I did forget about them you're right! I know how much of a defensive stud Jerry Sloan was and I didn't know Jack Twyman and Oscar had any sort of college relationship. I really appreciate the insight and compliment thank you!

@pawelgorniak8550

2 жыл бұрын

guys were tougher back then, despite not having training or dietary regiments or workout possibilites, no sneakers like they do today, just Converse's which were basically slippers.

@pawelgorniak8550

Жыл бұрын

@AnAverage2KMobilePlayer not necessarily stronger, but tougher. Example: LeQuit is stronger than Havlicek was, but Havlicek was tougher because he could take an elbow to the face and not be carried off on a stretcher whining and crying.

Great video. Also, the Celtics played in other Game 7s that were in rounds of the playoffs before the Finals. 3 times against Wilt's teams before the Finals, and I believe 1 time against Oscar's team. These games usually came down to a few points too. Its funny how people say Wilt only dominated because he was tall, because if you look through NBA history you will find that other than Wilt there has only been a handful of seasons where a legit 7 footer lead the league in rebounding or in scoring. In fact, since Wilt retired there has been more seasons where a guy under 6'8" tall lead the league in rebounding than there has been a guy over 7 foot tall lead the league in rebounding. Barkley did it once, Unseld once, Truck Robinson once, Rodman 7 times, Ben Wallace 2 times (who admitted he is closer to 6'7" than to 6'9" as he is listed), and Kevin Love once (he is legit 6'7.5" barefoot). That's 13 times that a guy who is under 6'8" lead the league in rebounding. The only legit 7 footers who lead the league in rebounding after Wilt retired are Kareem once, David Robinson once, and Mutombo 2 times. That's only 4 times that a guy who is over 7 foot lead the league in rebounding in 45 NBA seasons since Wilt retired.

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Red Ace low key didn’t even know truck Robinson led the league in rebounds one season. It’s all those offensive boards those undersized guys scoop up. Kevin love lied about his height to go higher in the draft. But yea I totally agree.

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Red Ace another thing I forgot to mention is how the nfl was superior to the nba in the 60s. So all the multisport atheletes went to the nfl

@redace6649

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and the Chiefs' coach did a work out with Wilt and found that he was faster than the Chiefs current fastest player, and Wilt was catching all the passes thrown to him during the workout. They wanted to recruit Wilt to play in the nfl!

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Red Ace oh my dude. Thanks for this

@tobingallawa3322

4 жыл бұрын

Wilt Chamberlain was probably the greatest athlete to ever play professional sports. Faster than Jim Brown, they raced at Mr Brown's insistence. Could jump, without training for it at all, was high jump champ at an all Big 7, or 8, whatever they called the conference Kansas played in at the time. Was stronger than everyone else that ever played pro basketball. How many NBA records does he still hold, 50 years later, 80 or 90 I bet. I have a patient that played with him at Kansas, told me Wilt was afraid of hurting people, so he never really went all out. It is mind boggling to think about what he could have done with modern nutrition and training techniques. A bigger, faster, stronger Wilt Chamberlain, inconceivable!

People love to downplay the Celtics of the 60s but that accomplishment, a total dominance of front office, coach, players and the mvp who led them, is better than the 90s Bulls, if only because Russell took over as head coach, retaining his position as starting center, and led them to two more titles after he won nine with Auerbach.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

K.C. Was such a good coach but yeah if Russell was on that coaching staff that would be crazy

Thank you sir for shining a light on this. Great vid

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

From The point it’s my pleasure. I HATE ignorant people!

Whenever someone says wilt isn’t good I always say take shaq, make him taller, stronger, have the vertical of Jordan, and the speed of a point guard and there is wilt

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Wildergoose 02 that is honestly exactly it. I couldn’t have said it better myself

@glennmckenzie6799

4 жыл бұрын

He had a higher leap than Jordan

@369pendulum

3 жыл бұрын

@@glennmckenzie6799 Those are urban myths, his leap doesn't even compare to MJs.

@jesuschrististhelord9937

3 жыл бұрын

Pre Law mjs is actually closer to 42-44 inches. wilts standing vertical is 45 (documented

@veronicaburgermeister3184

3 жыл бұрын

hakeem olajuwon: hold my beer

Love this video man!! I 100 percent agree with you.. wish more saw it this way. Its ridiculous to think it's easier with less teams when practically every team was an allstar team lol

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Fax

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the love dawg!

I am now a subscriber to this channel. Facts. Very good facts.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

tommy2chips ay thanks bro!

I agree with everything you said, love this video

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Angel Cervantes thanks bro! Apreciate it

@kingasad5916

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Bill Russell COMPETITION 6'11 or taller from 1960-1969 Walt BELLAMY 6'11HOF Tom borwenkle 7'0 Nate bowman 6'11 Mel counts 7'0 Walter dukes 7'0 Jim eakins 6'11 Ray felix 6'11 Hank finkle 7'0 Swede Halbrook 7'3 Reggie Harding 7'0 Otto Moore 6'11 Dave newmark 7'0 Richard niemann 7'0 Craig raymond 6'11 Chuck share 6'11 Nate Thurmond 6'11HOF Walt wesley 6'11 WILT CHAMBERLAIN 7'1HOF CRAIG SPITZER 7'0 9 SEVEN FOOTERS

Great video, bro!

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

This is probably the most under rated video

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Fairy Tail thank you I appreciate that!

Jerry west would kill it now. About the only thing I disagreed with

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

glenn mckenzie I mean his jumper was absolute money. He very well could have

@aaadj2744

3 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure he could've adapt the 3 point shot as much like to say how John Paxson or Steve Kerr impressed us with their 3 point shot in 90s basketball

Nice Vid. Also I see you with that Bsolz shoutout! Keep it up ill be watching!

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Karen Lawrence lol thanks dude! That means alot

I disagree with you on Jerry west. He had the stamina, skill and toughness to play in any era. The pace was actually faster in the 60s

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

HGC 4E yeah I can totally see what you’re saying with that man. That man would be a straight killa with today’s technology!

@aaadj2744

3 жыл бұрын

He could've be a great 3 point shooter for sure

@lloydkline1518

2 жыл бұрын

Jerry west pullup jump shot ageless

I just watched the 1969 finals game lakers vs Celtics and gotta say I was surprised with how good they were at shooting deep shots

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t watched many old school ENTIRE games but that’s interesting to hear. They were making a high percentage of them?

@zermanman9891

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin Yes Jerry West and Sam Jones especially

@owensmith2137

11 ай бұрын

​@@DillSkinBack then the average shooting percentage was lower but the great players stood out

@DillSkin

11 ай бұрын

@@owensmith2137 definitely a larger skill gap than today

Early 50's Lakers vs Knicks.. Late 50's Celtics vs Hawks.. the 50's are hella underrated too and mostly forgotten. But I agree with you about the 60's being most underrated.

@pmcclaren1

Жыл бұрын

The '50s era set the "foundation" for the nba future; absolutely correct!

@HiNRGboy

Жыл бұрын

@@pmcclaren1 yep, it was pretty interesting, a lot of great forgotten players like Dolph Schayes and Paul Arizin.

Perfect video. The best one I’ve ever seen cover any nba topic ever!!! New subscriber The most hated usually is cuz of how great u are. This applies to the 60s and 70s the most. Especially the mid 60s-early 70s which was the best era of basketball ever. Not by popularity but by overall greatness and skill and purity. Best time to be alive as a basketball player and fan as well if your not a casual and a purist as a fan and/or player Mid 60s is when the black population finally claimed the majority. Between the end of the early 70s to today the population only rose by 15 percent yet from the early 60s- mid 60s/early 70s the black population rose over 40 percent and guys like Wilt Chamberlain dominated all the same which destroys any notion that he wouldn’t be the best today because of lack of black players. Same goes for the argument of no free agency since not only did the nba have an open mind in signing international talent since the late 40s in its infancy, but got the most open minded even more than we see today in the 60s and 70s during the golden age where the summer leagues at Rucker park were the most entertaining summer show in the world! The nba would literally offer the best of the best streetball legends if they did truly remarkable things in the summer leagues as they did with Joe the destroyer Hammond who may be the best player to ever touch a basketball. And the nba hall of famers played agains this guy and a few other guys like him every summer to keep their game sharp! So the nba wasn’t missing any opportunities to constantly prove they are the best. Nowadays if your a streetball legend whose game rivals the best of todays players but didn’t take the politically correct route via college or overseas etc… you ain’t getting no looks or allowed a chance to even prove yourself especially if your history is being in the streets doing stuff. Mid 60s-early 70s best era ever by far and I couldn’t have made a better video myself. You have a new subscriber and thank you for being one of the very few who isn’t a complete causal at all and educating so many that need it in todays basketball culture and world. Keep it up!

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and the kind words, good to see there are die hards like you out there 💪🏾 Appreciate you!

Good ass video keep doing your thing. The music should be a LITTLE quieter though in my opinion.

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

PxppyOG 🙏🏽 thanks you. Yea il fix that up. I think I went a little over board will the music sound cause in my past videos it was to quiet. Noted though!

I think all sports were more pure in that era, not just basketball.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Encyclopedia Stupiddica I 100% agree. It’s not even with the American sports too

6:03 It was John Paxon but point still stands.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I pinned a comments saying that as well. Totally my mistake 😅

Good video dude

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan London thanks!

A big rule change was the illegal defense calls in the 60s were done when teams went into a zone defense. In has only been in the last 20 years or so that the zone defense has been legalized. IN the 60s guys HAD to play defense! Man on man defense was the only defense that could be played.

Bill and wilt always had the last laugh when they arguing with mj

Another thing I can’t ever understand for the life of me is the casuals who think west and other legends from the 60s n 70s would get destroyed unless they went through the same training as the guys in later years especially today. No they need no training at all. Just as they are they’d fit in and dominate. They are skilled and fundamentally sound. Take tim Duncan and basically apply his fundamentals to every starter in the 60s n 70s and that’s what u had back then Guys didn’t load manage and played a faster paced game yet still were able to get in over a decade of games paying career if not 2 some even without major injuries and some whom even overcame serious injuries after surgery. Wilt even returned in the same year he had surgery and led his team to the finals. Unheard of! The only skills that 60s n 70s players might lack in is shooting but even that is questionable given the defense and physicality that the 60s 70s players had to deal with not to mention more hall or fame bigs and yet still only shot a 4-5% deference in field goal percentage than today. So I lean towards them being just as good of shooters today logically. And then you have the rest of the game. They dog today’s players in defense and rebounding. Playmaking iq they also have the edge and faster pace is due to the balll moving a lot more around the court than someone is dribbling and doing iso ball contrary to popular belief of bad shot taking. So overall the players are better. No modern training needed. In fact the 60s n 70s guys have their own methods of training that made them so legendary that they’d just continue to do and evolve with the original methods to get them even better as well Hal Greer and west would not get bodied at all by harden since they are overall far better defenders. And then harden would have to deal with extremely accurate and strong quick af dribble pull up game and post game with quick swift craftiness and ball fakes and difficult shot making leaning all kinds of ways off one or 2 feet and finding all kinds of angles to score just as they did in the past. Also the handle isn’t an issue either given the ability to carry will be granted and they’d have a field day with that as we saw with several flashy styles of play in the 60s n 70s legendary Rucker park days and even in the aba and sometimes in the nba when they got away with hot dogging rarely.

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

So many facts being spilled here 😤

Underrated video

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

〖PKM〗Typhlosion Productions this was so long ago but thank you so much!

@typhlosionproductions5970

4 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin np youtube recommended it to me

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

〖PKM〗Typhlosion Productions Damb no way I’m in the recommended lol

IMO Hell yes

Wilt even scored 100 with no 3 point line, not that he would use it but the option wasn't even there unlike today where guys scoring above 50 need to hit 3s to score that high

I wasn't even alive in the 60s I'm a 90s baby but even I admire the players before the 70s, 80s and 90s. I have Bill Russell outrebounding Dennis Rodman when I play 2K lol and i assigned Havlicek (RIP) to MJ and Pippen. KC Jones and Sam Jones are both awesome to play as and Tom Heinsohn can shoot threes ^^ I haven't played the other old teams yet but yeah. The old era are underrated indeed. I know I'm talking about 2K which is a game but that's the closest we can have them in pitting against other eras. The games try their best in showing their moves and all that.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

orchy 9928 yeah totally agree. Although I would like more old teams recognized, the fact that they try sais enough!

@lloydkline6946

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Rodman was a very selfish rebounder, would not other team mate rebounds, bill Russell did not try to grap very rebound like shot blocking he did not try to block very shot

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

lloyd kline just shows the kind of teammate Bill was. Didn’t know that about Rodman though.

@christianhenry4173

4 жыл бұрын

Heavens no 2k makes the old school players like Bill and Chamberlain play like slow centers. They were not slow and uncoordinated by the way 2k is garbage.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

christian henry COMPLETELY AGREE. If it was realistic, Wilt and Bill would be two of the fastest players in the game, especially Wilt. That man was a sprinting god

Good video

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Wilt Chamberlain thanks, buddy’s back from the dead!

You forgot Gus Johnson for the power forwards.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Joseph Joestar god Damb... did I?! He’s one of my favorite players of all time. This vid was a while back but no way I forgot Gus! 😂

Nice! Thanks for subscribing! I’m following you too.! Keep up the good job :)

@DillSkin

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks you too!

everything you said, and in addition. not only was the competition more concentrated to begin with, but in teh 60s you were not even allowed to be in the NBA no matter what until your college graduating class graduated. no 3 years and out, 2 years and out, 1 and done or going straight from HS> if they did, wilt would have gone straight from HS . he would have easily. plus colleges didn't allow freshmen on vastity teams either. this means that today's teams are watered down evern more by having so many players not learnign the game the right way. Also, offensive fouls were very highly callled for literall amost nothing. shaq for example, would have fouled by the end of the 1st quarter beginning of the 2nd quarter almost every game if he tired his style in th e60s . there was also no three point line in which if they had, players could have scored more points. also. they did not officially keep track of steals and blocks. wilt and bill would be by far the top 2 blockers in history easily. wilt 1st and bill 2nd. this would also have added so many more double doubles and triple doubles and beyond to wilt for sure nad bill as well as well as others. they didn't have all defnsiv eteams and many other team aard and this or that til wilt /bill wer emuch later in their careers,

James Harden would not have dominated in the 1960's. He would get called for a carry and turn the ball over about 90% of his trips down the court. They also had hand checking back then, which he has never had to deal with in his life. He would try and bring that crossover stuff down the lane and Nate Thurmond or Wes Unseld would swat him like a bug.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Tobin Gallawa facts. He would have to adjust his game a ton to fit in. He would still be a star but the league for sure wouldn’t have aided him at that tome.

@MrDonche414

4 жыл бұрын

he would have shot the lights out even if he was forced to dribble with the ball in front of him. don't be naive lol

@tobingallawa3322

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrDonche414 I don't thinks so. He is not equipped to play the more physical game, and with no 3 point line, his outside shooting would not have been as valuable. Guards were sort of expected to play a little defense too, so he would fall short in that area too. He would still be a good shooter, but someone like Tiny Archibald would eat him alive.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

che Rogers oh there’s no doubt he would. He would 100% still be a top guard. I’m not saying he’s trash and the only reason he’s good is because of this soft era, he would fuck shit up in any era for sure.

@MrDonche414

4 жыл бұрын

@@tobingallawa3322 he is not equipped to play a physical game? Have you seen how big harden is? So Larry bird could but harden can't? Bob Cousy could but harden cant? Lmfao you can't be for real

nice

Don't forget the ABA league that been started in the late 60s as well. In my opinion, those league rules and playstyle were much more evolving than the NBA at the time since ABA already used 3 point line way before NBA started to used it in 1979-80 season.

I feel people disrespect the 60s and especially Russell because they want to make it seem like a slower game means it’s easy. What they don’t understand is that every era has weakpoints and every great player exploits them. Michael Jordan has the benefit of playing in an era where he had to deal with hand checking and a era where that was dominated by bigs. That doesn’t mean it was easy for him. Likewise for Russell it wasn’t easy for him getting 11 rings. If it was easy then why hasn’t anyone else done it?

Am I the only who thinks it is the GREATEST? Explenations: If you consider ppg by teams, the TOP 10 is: 1961-62 1960-61 1966-67 1969-70 1967-68 1965-66 1959-60 1962-63 1970-71 If you consider rpg by teams, the TOP 10 is: 1959-60 1960-61 1957-58 1961-62 1958-59 1965-66 1966-67 1964-65 1962-63 1967-68

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think so! 60s are stacked beyond belief especially at the big man and point position. HOWEVER the ppg and rpg are both inflated stats for the 60s because the pace back then was much faster so teams naturally scored more. Any person is straight up ignorant to not put them in the running for the greatest though 🤫

@emeanuele

3 жыл бұрын

​@@DillSkin 1. not true only centers and pointguards were good: here are players averaging more than 20 ppg in the WHOLE decade who aren't neither centers nor point guards (ppg rpg apg): Rick Barry 30.6 9.9 2.9 Elgin Baylor 28.1 13.8 4.3 Bob Pettit 27.6 16.7 3.3 Earl Monroe 25.0 4.6 4.6 Dave Bing 23.5 4.7 5.9 Paul Arizin 22.5 8.0 2.4 Hal Greer 21.2 5.6 4.2 John Havlicek 21.2 6.8 5.0 Bailey Howell 20.2 10.7 2.1 George Yardley 20.2 7.9 1.7 Sam Jones 20.2 5.0 2.9 Lou Hudson 20.1 6.0 1.9 2. I don't care people who say stats are inflacted: a. just watch some games and change your mind. b. you could say stats are inflected for one year, but not for a decade (or for 20-25 years).

@emeanuele

3 жыл бұрын

Assists were inflacted because they didn't count assists if the player who receives the ball, spins and then shoots. This means probably 20% of current assists weren't counted.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@emeanuele naaa bro trust me I wasn’t saying the wing depth wasn’t good but the centers in that era were ESPECIALLY strong. More strong than the wings for sure despite their talent. And there were much more possessions in an average game throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s compared to the modern game, so COMPARED to the modern era the stats are inflated. With assists though as you mentioned, today’s are inflated because there was much stricter criteria in the 60s for how someone would get one. But for points and rebounds if you look at it possession but possession the numbers are inflated and that absolutely does not take away from any of those players greatness it just puts them into a more valid statistical perspective

@chino6542

3 жыл бұрын

The was so many rebounds because no1 could make a shot with a lot of misses comes a lot of rebounds

The modern NBA league has much more players to choose from, because the games has grown so much.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! 30 teams still isn’t enough to represent the talent we have today. It’s time for expansion

Bro I just found this video it’s fire

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man appreciate it! 😻

It is an absolute shame this vid doesn’t have more views! Tired of my friends acting like evolution kicked in in the 90’s lol

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro! 🥳 that was the exact reason I made this video too, we were in the same boat... people man....

@hoodyfrank7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin the only argument I tolerate is how much more players today concentrate on their health. Like wilt took a train home after his games and Lebron lays in a cryogenic chamber after his lol.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@hoodyfrank7405 and that can literally be an argument for any side too. Like dude imagine if wilt had that ‘chamber’ Lebron has. Technology is making athletes much better for sure

Well by that logic shouldn’t almost every player from that era be a hall of famer? 🙄

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Prez Mil no. Not sure where that ‘logic’ came from. The worst players in the 60s were pretty garbage. That’s the main thing that separates today’s era from that era is the depth of players.

@prezmil4282

4 жыл бұрын

Dill Skin My point exactly, so Bill’s example about Steve Kerr not being good enough to exist on a roster back then is complete crap.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Prez Mil yeah I agree with that. Steve Kerr could definitely survive on a roster in the 60s

@KISS_MY_CONVERSE

4 жыл бұрын

no, because not everyone on the team can be the go to guy. And you had to play your role. For example, Dikembe Mutombo had a good mid range jumper. But, when u watched him play as a nugget he rarely if ever took those type of shots. He also had a good post game equivalent to todays bigs minus the faceup game. Yet, when he was with the 76ers they rarely ever gave him the ball in the post and they just used him as a defensive specialist.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

@@KISS_MY_CONVERSE Buddy was lights out from mid-range. People forget that

Wilt played the Most HOF Centers ever and Over 40 total HOF Bill not being far behind. I completely agree this era is extremely slept on personally they’d translate to now easier, Then a now player to then. Worse Travel, Stricter Rules, Majority would Face Racist slurs sadly :/. Worse equipment. The dribbling rules would kill the modern player.

I still stand by put these days played in the past they wouldn’t even be in the league because culture training and skill was different u can’t just teleport that player to 1950 he would still grow up in that era

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

Context is key!

Yes

The greatest concentration of HOF Centers in NBA history took place in the 1965-1966 season. During this season, Wilt Chamberlain had to play against the following HOF's 8 times each... Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Walt Bellamy, and Zelmo Beaty. Talk about playing against high level competition!! The NBA played an 81 game schedule in 1965-1966, so Wilt had to play almost half his games against a HOF Center. Despite this level of competition, Chamberlain led the league in scoring and rebounding, and he was named the league MVP.

@sirm.a.r.s4640

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is most centers couldn't shoot for shit, nor dribble, terrible foot speed, in addition the fact that athletic wise nobody was testing wilt.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirm.a.r.s4640 Go watch some Bill Russel Highlights and tell me he has terrible footspeed. Guy was Dennis Rodman on steroids

@sirm.a.r.s4640

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin Bill was a great track star. I should have rephrashed what I said to terrible LATERAL foot speed. We know up and down he can outrun 98 percent of that era. In addition, idk about rodman on sterorids. Rodman was at least able to play in one of the best era's of bigs in the 90s and got 3 rings out of it against Robinson, Dreem, and Ewing. Russell is obviously integral to the foundation of basketball, but from a competition standpoint and basketball standpoint majority of those players from that era were not skilled. Granted some are due to having other jobs to make ends meet but for the plaeyrs who at least tried to get better at baksetball it didn't show through footage that these players worked that hard on their game in comparison to other eras.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirm.a.r.s4640 Yeah the standard was lower in terms of work ethic, that comes with everything. I would absolutely say Bill Russell has good lateral footspeed though. There were plenty of guards that were shifty af and he could keep up with them on the perimeter from my knowledge

@sirm.a.r.s4640

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin I seen a few videos where he he held his ground, I'm just comparing him trying to deal with a Ty lawson in his prime or Dearon Fox. Also again I get it culturally also (since I'm black) that in the 60s and immense amount of things going on to the point we don't give a fuck about basketball because we need to survive dammit. With that context in mind, I give these players full props to go through turmoil in addition to still playing the game. I'm just speaking from basketball standpoint but taking the time of world and for black people especially, yes everybody need to give them respect and credit for what they did.

It never fails, the fans of today always think that the current teams and players are vastly superior to those of the past, if you played more than 10 years ago you are a joke. Which of course is not true. And mostly based on kids watching a few black and white highlights on KZread with no further knowledge of the past. But they don't even think about the fact that we witnessed these players, we watched their games, and that makes our knowledge about them greater than some kids that don't do much more than play video games and continually text on their cell phones! Have things improved? Of course, but players of the past were still good and athletic, and if brought into the modern setting under equal circumstances they would do just fine, or even better.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

This didn’t change my mind I mean it was a good era but I’d take the 90s any day

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Totally respectable opinion. Goal of this video wasn’t to make the 60s seem like the best era but just to make it be seen on par with the the 80s/90s etc! Bro a lineup of Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone, and Hakeem is nothing short of deadly. And that depth bro 😳 don’t even get me started!

@heroinvrxther5826

3 жыл бұрын

The 90’s was weak and watered down. the 80’s was way more competitive .

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@heroinvrxther5826 I’d say it’s all personal preference. The depth of the 80s is UNMATCHED. Literally teams were so deep and there were so many solid players kind of like the current NBA. However the 90s have the stars, depends on what you prefer imo!

@heroinvrxther5826

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin You think so? Most of the 90’s superstars like Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Jordan, etc. were players that peaked and dominated the 80’s.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@heroinvrxther5826 I wouldn’t say those guys peaked in the 80s, in terms of number their per possession statistics are better plus most of them had more team success in the 90s too. The late 80s MAYBE but in terms of longevity in stardom 90s 100%. And the 80s are probably my personal favourite era 🤫

Thank you.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Domo you’re so welcome it’s my pleasure!

@manman0512

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin yup I love how you give respect to the 60s man personally to me it was the best era ever.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Domo Damb I love to hear it! It’s the most underrated era for sure

Russell's teammates from 1957 to 1969 were selected to twenty-six All-Star games, while Wilt's teammates from 1960 to 1973 were selected to twenty-four while being on the same team as Wilt.Let's never mention the supporting-cast card again with Russell and Chamberlain. Thank you.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

While I believe using teammate all star app A-team es to judge players against eachother it really just does show how much of a winner Bill was

@floydparr8006

2 жыл бұрын

That is a poor metric to use. In his 13 seasons Bill Russell played with other Hall of Famers a total of 75 seasons or an average of 5.8 Hofers on his team besides him. That means that not only was the whole starting lineup Hall of Famers, but 2 guys coming off the bench were HOFers. The 1963 Celtics had 9 HOFers on their team. During his 14 year career Wilt Chamberlain played with HOFers a total of 34 season or an average of 2.4 HOFers per season on his team. Bill Russell's teammates were far more talented than Wilt's. That is why Wilt is the GOAT and Bill is only #3.

@casualfandestroyer2503

2 жыл бұрын

@@floydparr8006 the lakers got 6 HOF this year why aren’t they the favorites? Please apply context dummy. We know Dwight Howard isn’t in his prime anymore. So why count players like lovelette or Carl Braun who were just their to get a free ring like Mitch Richmond on the 2002 lakers or Dwight Howard on the 2020 lakers. Use your brain don’t be braindead to try to discredit the GOAT bill Russell

@floydparr8006

2 жыл бұрын

@@casualfandestroyer2503 So since you don't have a reply you throw out an insult. John Havlicek led the Celtics in scoring in 1964 and couldn't crack the starting lineup because of how much talent was on the roster. Why don't you try using a real argument. AS games are a poor metric. Lots of mediocre players have made AS teams.

@casualfandestroyer2503

2 жыл бұрын

@@floydparr8006 big difference between perennial all star and a 1x all star

You know what I respect the 60s refs lol because they basically kept the league entertaining by letting the smaller guys hack wilt chamberlain just because how dominant wilt was . I respect it because helped kept basketball watchable and enjoyable for the most cause a one man show can get boring fast .I can’t speak on a one team show like the Celtics because that was all talent at almost every position with with a hall of fame coach so you can’t argue about that really lol

I'm sorry but if a man is dribbling with his right hand to left and no one is attempting to take it. They weren't playing no Defense

To modern NBA players (active as well as retired) who think too highly of themselves, legends of the past (particularly of the 60s) are nothing more than ‘firemen and plumbers’, to quote an egotistic ex-player! 0:13

WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER FROM 1960-1973 Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF Dennis Awtrey: 6'11" Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0" Nate Bowmen: 6'11" Mel Counts: 7'0" Walter Dukes: 7'0" Jim Eakins: 6'11" Ray Felix: 6'11" Hank Finkel: 7'0" Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF Swede Halbrook: 7'3" Reggie Harding: 7'0" Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF Jim McDaniels: 6'11" Otto Moore: 6'11" Dave Newmark: 7'0" Rich Niemann: 7'0" Billy Paultz: 6'11" Craig Raymond: 6'11" Elmore Smith: 7'0" Chuck Share: 6'11" Ronald Taylor: 7'1" Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF Walt Wesley: 6'11" TOM PAYNE 7'2 " GREG FILLMORE 7'1 CRAIG SPITZER 7'0 LARUE MARTIN 6'11 VIC BARTOLOME 7'0 GEORGE JOHNSON 6'11 WILLIAM SMITH 7'0

By far the best era, by far.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a hot take!

@Amick44

Жыл бұрын

Definitely the turning point of how the game was/is played.

pete marivich didnt join the nba until 1970 an not in the 60s

WILT CHAMBERLAIN HOF COMPETITION 1.BILL RUSSELL 6'10 2.NATE THURMOND 6'11 3.WALT BELLAMY 6'11 4.WILLIS REED 6'9 5.WES UNSELD 6'7 6.BOB LANIER 6'11 7.DAVE COWENS 6'9 8.KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR 7'2 9.ARTIST GILMORE 7'2 10.ZELMO BEATY 6'9 11.BOB MCADOO 6'9 12.ELVIN HAYES 6'9

This is Really Simple. 1950-95: Rules: NO Palming, NO Travelling, NO Double Dribble, NO FLOPPING; uniforms were UNIFORM, Braces were 'Funcional' & YES Hand Checking, referees; THE definition of BASKET-BALL!!!!! 1996-2023: NO hand checking, YES can travel, palm, double dribble, Flop, uniforms were Multiforms (multi colours shoes), coloured hair, tattoos, body piercings, braces were for decoration, referETTES. definition: BALLET-ball. Final RESULT: game for MEN v comedy show for boys

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

Definitely agree with the travelling, double dribbling and flopping but imma definitely disagree with the uniforms. I think the players having the ability to express themselves through their clothes is awesome and just makes the court more colourful!

@pmcclaren1

Жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin The players are supposed to be trying to 'win games,' not 'expressing themSELVES.' Basketball is a TEAM Sport Period. The focus on 'selF' is what has been destroying the 'game' & making it into a 'display.' Good luck.

@pmcclaren1

Жыл бұрын

addendum: thanks Mr DS for your frames; I am much enjoying them. God bless.

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

@@pmcclaren1 no problem thank you for discussing! 😁

@pmcclaren1

Жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin 'court more colourful?'; this is not about "fashion design.' then just attend the local circus (which is the current NBA). Individual colours, even names on jerseys point to SELF. In a TEAM game the name on the front is the only one that matters. Good luck!

Pistol Pete was drafted in 1970

You forgot about Gus Johnson, ZELMO baety, Wayne embry etc...c'mon bruh 😭 Gus honey comb Johnson is a beast 6ft7 witgout shoes and Was 230 in his rookie...look him up on wilt chamberlain archive he was tge lebron of that era

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

Gus Johnson is so underrated!

@JohnnyRodgers3

Жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin but are u fon make a video?

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyRodgers3 no, I’ve moved on to other things so I don’t think I’ll ever upload on this channel again unless it’s another mini ball video with my buddies or a Denver Nuggets championship. 🏆

Pretty sure you can either make shots, or you can't.

The more you know

5:15 The ABA had the best players

@Amick44

Жыл бұрын

Some of the best forwards. They come up noticeably short at C and guards. Gilmore the only true dominating inside force.

The average height of the 1961-62 season centers was around 6'9 7/8 (6'9.87) and not 6'11.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Andrzej Zborowski idk when I calculated it at the time it was close to 6’ 11”

@andrzejzborowski4920

4 жыл бұрын

@1995 GetJiggyWitIt I've counted that. Try again ;)

@andrzejzborowski4920

4 жыл бұрын

@1995 GetJiggyWitIt I have.

@handlebucket6285

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrzejzborowski4920 No you haven't. It's 6"10.5. In other words you are incorrect.

Pete played in the 70s

Underrated where people shooting 50 for free throws? You gotta be kidding me.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

So because there were players that shot around 50% from the free throw line in the 60s immediately takes it out of considering for being ‘underrated’?

@sirm.a.r.s4640

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin It's a multitude of reasons but this is a big ass reason due to the fact that if they didn't practice making uncontested shots from 10 feet and wilt trying to get out of doing free throws by just dunking from the line? That says work ethic was that high if they can't work on something as small as that. A better argument of underrated era would 10-20 since everyone shits on it and didn't realize how many changes to the game happened in addition to insane players that came.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirm.a.r.s4640 I completely understand your point, the skill wasn’t as high which is indisputable. However we have to take into account the time. There was very little basketball culture then and the technology wasn’t even close to what it is now. We have to compare players based on their time at least to some extent. I don’t believe we can just call a past era shit because they weren’t as skilled. Not sure if you’re a music guy but a comparison would be calling a band like Protest The Hero GREATER (not better) than a band like Slayer simply because they are more complex.

8:32 no NBA2K15

wilt played against 9 expansion teams. . .

This video will be faster if he just said 35 yo with knee injury wilt dominated MVP Kareem in 1972 CF Even the bucks fan gave wilt a standing ovation and fuck no its not 9 HoF center its 13..

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Yo facts man. You really the Master

bill russel is 215lbs rob william is like 250lbs plus bill russel had no out side shooting if he played in todays game he would get buillied in the pain not an all timer just like 100m in 60s and 100m now has a big difference you cant say a era with no 3 point line is the best when today we litterly rely on the 3 point line.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

It has nothing to do with being the ‘best’ I reiterated that multiple times in the video I believe. It’s about greatness and being good for your time. Of course the guys were undersized in the 60s, that’s cause they didn’t have the sport science we do today.

@David.Fit21

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin just eye test bill Russell is not better than Dwight Howard you think dwite could no average 50pts 30reb and 18ast in that era if you dropped curry in that era they would think hes no humain

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@David.Fit21 once again the key words are ‘better’ and ‘greater’. If you watched the video I mentioned how James harden would cook jerry west if you threw Jerry into a time machine but that wasn’t my point. You can say Dwight Howard is ‘better’ than Bill but that is impossible to prove. Only greatness is worth debating about in my opinion because it is based off of what they accomplished and their skill for the time period.

@ralphgreenwood2469

Жыл бұрын

Does Rudy Gobert get bullied in the paint?

Why show Bill Russell's 1954 college film? Why show so much West? He wasn't even the best guard in the 60's? I965 was the peak. After that, expansion and the ABA spread the talent way too thin.

U forgot Al attles. He was a better version of kc Jones

I don’t wanna seem like a hater but come on the skill level looks like the people I play wit in LA fitness

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha no you ain’t a hater that’s just your observation. Of course we know so much about the game now BECAUSE of these guys. There’s no doubt in my mind players today exceed players in the 60s in terms of MOST skills. However that doesn’t mean people shouldn’t respect the 60s in terms of GREATNESS.

@darrenhellwege6976

2 жыл бұрын

Nowhere near true.

Yeah a lot of his numbers are wrong dont know where he got his numbers

More then 80% of those hall of famers wouldn’t be hall of famers in today’s game they wouldn’t even make the league this is one of the worst comparisons ever just look at a game for that era if bill Russell was 6’4 he would have been trash yes Bill Russell and will Chamberlain weren’t so much bigger than their opponents but they do usually jumped way higher than them and a way bigger wingspan then them which makes a big difference in basketball

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

The average height of centers was basically the same as today. The centers in the 60s were absolute beasts. Just look up Nate Thurmond, echoing another comment, it looks like he came out of the prison yard

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

And of course they wouldn’t be hall of famers because they are adept to today’s game. If they grew up in our day and age they would be but probably not if you just throw them in the league from a time machine

@chino6542

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin yea ur right about that they didn’t have the same trainers a nutrition and the same analytics as they do today but that’s like saying I would be a whole lot smarter and a whole lot more successful if I went to the best high schools and colleges in America but I didn’t so I’m not lol but don’t get me wrong Nate Wilt Jerry West Bill there’s a handful of players that would have probably been successful in the NBA but not many

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@chino6542 yeah just gotta focus on how things were back in the day and compare them accordingly to today

One thing you don't touch on is the Jim Crow Era within sports didn't allow many qualified black athletes into not just basketball but many other sports at the time which would have boosted the talent pool. That is the only Achilles heel to your argument about the quality of having less teams back then. In theory you would be right but in reality there were many players who were overlooked due to their skin color. Also the game of basketball wasn't as popular which means there wasn't enough exposure to find the best of the best globally. The modern day NBA is global and looks for the top athletes in the world and not just America. Having more teams doesn't dilute the talent it just shows how popular the game is and how much more talent we have to work with. I personally think Bill Russell and Wilt could have played in any era. My only issue is with the argument that less teams would have meant more quality teams which isn't reality. Bill Russell and Wilt lived in a time where they couldn't even stay in the same hotel as their white teammates or eat at the same restaurants.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

che Rogers it’s amazing how far we’ve cum

@christianhenry4173

4 жыл бұрын

At least in those eras other teams made it to playoffs after the Celtics dynasty especially during the rebuilding era of the 70's to 80's.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

christian henry Yeah

@MrDonche414

4 жыл бұрын

@1995 GetJiggyWitIt it didn't end until 1964 that is considered the 60s

@casualfandestroyer2503

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDonche414 black players stormed into the league during the 60s especially. You’re thinking about the 1950s

where are you getting your stats from? When Bill Russell entered the NBA in 1957, 93 percent of NBA players were white. by the END of the 60s 42 % white (still much less than today, also you should probably compare it to 2010s the game has changed so much the last ten years towards skillsets rather than athleticism) .

@Papichulo-xc5nd

2 жыл бұрын

The art of competition dead wrong. There were 15 black players in the league Russell’s rookie year, by 1963 the NBA was over 33% black, by 1965 it was 48% black. From than on it was 50%. Keep hating though. 1963 hawks had 5 black players

@theartofcompetition5965

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Papichulo-xc5nd where are you getting your stats from? my research said otherwise. your the only one hating here look at the way your speaking to me. lmao what a dick.

@ralphgreenwood2469

Жыл бұрын

Wilt came into the League in 1959.

Nba was 50% black for most of the 1960s

Pete Maravich didn't play in the NBA during the 60's.

@ralphgreenwood2469

Жыл бұрын

Pete came into the League 70-71 he played against 60s guys who were still playing.West,Oscar,Wilt etc.That's the point.

Bruh, james harden would destroy pretty much anyone in a 1v1 excluding a select few, so that comment at the end was unnecessary. Put him up against connie hawkins, or elgin baylor, now it's different. connie would probably destroy harden and whoever gets the ball first is winning between harden and elgin.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

If you throw Connie into today’s era without any context or anything he will probably get beat by one of the best scorers in our game right now. However if Connie grew up in our era things would be different. It’s a different game, just like if harden played in their era his playstyle wouldn’t be the exact same as it is today. It’s complete speculation on who would win but without any context throwing in most of the wings from that time, harden would win 1v1. That should not hinder any of their greatness WHATSOEVER though.

@masterchief5833

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin 1st of all, that's a dumb way to look at it. If connie grew up in today's age he might have never even liked basketball. I'm talking about the player connie hawkins and the player james harden. Connie hawkins might have been the most skilled offensive player ever, james harden is also in that list but connie is a lot higher up that list. It's like saying if steph was taller and that he was stronger he would be the GOAT, if he was taller and stronger he wouldnt be steph curry.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@masterchief5833 Well Im going to make a hypothetical comparison if we are talking about hypotheticals in the first place. We will never know who would win 1v1 and inside the video if I claimed players today would be more likely to win a 1v1 that is completely a speculation with no evidence. However it is quite a obvious take imo with how technology has advanced. And my point about bringing him in with a time machine is simply in his favour of his greatness

@masterchief5833

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin You know those types of things would benefit them but you're still underestimating how good they where in general. E.g you wouldnt say that about wilt chamberlain because no matter what his physical attributes where still there. Same thing with michael jordan, he didnt have access to the same type of PEDs we have yet no one talks about that. Just because they're not raised in modern era it doesnt mean that you should underestimate them. Connie is more than capable of beating nearly every modern player 1v1, also connie hawkins is 6'8 without shoes so idk how you would think harden wouldnt get annihilated when hes 6'5 with shoes.

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@masterchief5833 height ain’t everything although it does play a factor. And you’re right in the wilt chamberlain point. In your eyes I may be underrating them compared to today’s players in terms of direct comparison but I still believe players today hold more scoring skills. Completely personal opinion from both of us and maybe I am underrated Connie but

"James harden would desstroy Hal Greer in a one-on-one" wrong

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

Why do you think he wouldn’t if you threw him in a time machine to today?

@ramansahota1563

Жыл бұрын

​@@DillSkin Because the current NBA is NOT much more talented than it was in the 60's. The main reason why the play-styles have changed so much is because the NBA is always tweaking the league to make it more entertaining for fans. Players today possess a much more glamorous/entertaining skillset, but not necessarily a better skillset. Basketball was a very refined sport by the 60's but many people treat the decade as if it was like 30's or 40's. A prime Jerry West would still be great if you just dropped him into today's game. If you gave him a just a little bit of to get acclimated to the modern play-style, he would be even more dominant than he was in the 60's. The top players from the 60's were just as athletic and just as talented, its just that the league in the 60's was not geared towards 1-on-1 play. The 3pt line introduced spacing into the league which made made it possible for players to go 1-on-1 with there defender, which in turn encouraged players to improve there 1v1 skills like ball handling and off-the-dribble shooting. Also, the NBA made rule changes which made those aspects of the game easier. This shift in focus has caused modern players to neglect other fundamental aspects the game which is why the 60's had much better passers and playmakers. My point is that the talent in modern NBA is not levels above the 60's, they are just playing under different rules which demand different skills and play-styles. I think a 1v1 between Greer and harden would be competitive. Obviously, Harden is incredible isolation scorer. There is also the possibility that Greer might just be too small to stop him from getting to the basket. Just because of hardens scoring abilities I would bet on him winning but I think it will competitive because Harden is an incredibly one dimensional player while Greer is very good all around. Harden is a terrible defender and I don't see how he would be able to keep up with Greer. Even though I would bet on Harden winning, Greer is an all-time great player and NOBODY within is height range would "obviously destroy him". Also, even though I think Harden might be better 1v1, I think Greer is the better basketball player. Neither Greer nor Harden could lead a team to a title as their best player. Greer was able to win a title alongside Wilt and was the second man on an all-time great team. Greer played great in those playoffs and was the leading scorer on the team and the second leading scorer in the league. James Harden is dominant scorer who needs the ball in his hands to be impactful. Harden has played with multiple different top tier stars and it has never worked out. He has a low basketball IQ and does not understand team-basketball at all.

The 60s are underrated. The 50s are SUPER overrated!

It was the most overrated by far, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell had no moves and could barely dribble. Imagine them playing now.. comical to think they would be stars 😂

Lmao that Jerry West would be worst player in league today. He a was a shooter. That translates to any era fwiw

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

We can only speculate

@trollkenobi6727

2 жыл бұрын

You are the single dumbest man in the world

Bro u are really out of ur mind if u tryna compare the skill of today’s NBA with the guys from the 60s them dudes could barely dribble with the left hands

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Not tryna compare the skills of them. Today’s players have more skills in terms of ball handling, shooting a such. What this video was getting at when I made it was how people disrespect the GREATNESS of the 60s. The players were absolutely incredible for their time and were pioneers of basketball. We need to rank them accordingly and not just base them off of ‘skill’ because ‘goodness’ and ‘greatness’ are two completely different things.

@chino6542

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin yeah you’re definitely right about that because back then they didn’t have other players to base their game off of they’re the ones that had to start creating new moves I believe Bill Russell was a good player but I think he’s a little overrated just cause being that big and and athletic and only averaging about 15 points per game on 44% shooting It’s pretty bad and I understand he didn’t have to score since he had another great offense of players just because you don’t have to score doesn’t necessarily mean he should have such a low field-goal percentage he could’ve scored 15 points per game on 55% shooting would’ve been a lot better

@Papichulo-xc5nd

2 жыл бұрын

@@chino6542 there was less space under the rim in those days, no charge circle so you couldn’t lower your stander and no palming the ball

Your talent gap argument is invalid bro. Players nowadays have way more skill. New moves, shooting the ball is different, more freak athletes. It’s EVOLUTION. If there is no skill gap nba would be full of sorry ass hoopers today.

@DillSkin

2 жыл бұрын

From what I can remember I agreed with everything you just said. What I most likely meant by the NBA having “no skill gap” today is that there is very little difference between the best player in the league today and the worst player (in comparison to the 60s for example). The 60s had a much bigger talent gap as the worst players were really bad. I think you just misinterpreted what I said

@miraj4936

2 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin aahhh. I see what you mean. Never thought of it like that. Pretty interesting.

Harden would dominate Greer??? Harden couldn't beat Barney Sedran for f's sake. trash defender, trash on offense

PEOPLE TODAY HAS ALL THE TRAINING AND THE SPORTS 💊 AND ALL THE PHISICALL TECHNOLOGY IN THAY FAVOR AND THAY STILL CANT DOMINATE THE WAY THOSE GUYS CAN......BIGGER FASTER STRONGER....DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE YOU BETTER..... BEN SIMMONS IS BIGGER FASTER AND STRONGER....THAN GARY PAYTON IS HE BETTER?

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

He may be ‘better’ per say (which is truly impossible to quantify), but is he GREATER? Uhhhh NOPE!

I really dislike hate.

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Encyclopedia Stupiddica the word hate?

It was the most boring decade in NBA history

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t around to see it, but with the NBA treating itself more as a product for fans now I wouldn’t be surprised if those who have been around for both eras to reign the modern day superior in terms of excitement

Slow, unathletic, could barely dribble, had basic footwork and moves. They're average Joe's who played against guy's I could school 😂

@DillSkin

Жыл бұрын

😂

People now are still better

@DillSkin

4 жыл бұрын

Vice Clan well no doubt with all the new knowledge and kinesiology players are able to hit their genetic peak at a much more efficient rate than they ever have before. They’ve got all kinds of new workout strategies and health plans now adays too.

@trollkenobi6727

2 жыл бұрын

Because they had 75 years to learn from

Good video

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Awn Al-Saluli thanks!

@bogan9396

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin You made points that nowone can argue I thought I was watching a channel that had over 100k subscribers by the way you made this video you really outdid yourself so Underrated

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Awn Al-Saluli oh shit dude that legit means so much to me to hear that! My most recent video about Rule Changes is an even higher quality one that you might enjoy but that is possibly the best compliment someone’s given me regarding my videos dude thanks a shit ton!

@bogan9396

3 жыл бұрын

@@DillSkin Yea of course! I subscribed and will be watching any new vids

@DillSkin

3 жыл бұрын

Awn Al-Saluli hell yeah man! Glad to have you on board!