Working as a mechanic for 11 years on many high performance cars and vintage race cars we installed and serviced a lot of flexible stainless brake lines. We installed top brands like Spiegler and Earl's. Many of these brake line installations failed within just a few months. Flexible ends or not, this hardware is not really suitable for everyday street use. There is simply more flex at the line ends than the lines can handle, and the hose ends up splitting close to the end fitting. It is even a problem for race cars. The rubber hoses can tolerate a lot more flex cycles than the stainless hose.

@kalani1987

3 жыл бұрын

Is it good practice to change the rubber brake lines depending on the cars' age? This is assuming no visual leakage or damage present.

@OKMX5

3 жыл бұрын

@@kalani1987 it makes sense to change them on old cars, I would not trust them after 15 years or more.

@paulh9301

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalani1987 I know my motorcycle is not a car but my service manual said to replace brake lines every 4 years.

@GspeedR

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I also work for a high-end repair facility(20+ yrs) but have no experience the brands that you mentioned. I currently have StopTech lines on my Honda and Techna-Fit lines on my daughter's Nissan. Both have DOT approved fittings and have shown no signs of flexing failure. I sold my previous Volvo 240 with IPD lines that endured over 12 years/200k miles. Correct routing is essential and the technician was meticulous during those installs. I would tend to think that any SS braided brake hose that encounters more stress than it's rubber counterpart would be due to a poorly designed/built hose and/or improper routing during installation.

@RealNigga0190

2 жыл бұрын

@@GspeedR good to know

This video and the fact that you bothered to time stamp the description are reasons you deserve 1M subs. Go, go, go!

@JackWeaver

6 жыл бұрын

He's smart. Forums where some holy wars are waged debate this sort of "fine print". By giving you those hot links, you can easily copy & paste that into a forum to support an argument/claim, and he gets additional views. Win win.

@802Garage

6 жыл бұрын

For sure. It's a great video with good info and feels pretty unbiased.

@trevorsmall8763

6 жыл бұрын

pretty unbiased video!!!

I put Stainless Steel brake lines on my motorcycle. I simply did it because I found the braking "Feel" to be much better. Very firm levers after installed. Of course part of this could be the fact that I installed new fluid and made sure they were bled to perfection. Nevertheless, they were red. I like red.

@colind7678

6 жыл бұрын

BadShadd1 I've put them on almost every motorcycle I've owned. Make the braking great.

@fckuyo3918

6 жыл бұрын

Regular maintenance is probably a better investment on such a light vehicle. How often are rubber brake lines supposed to be changed on a bike, and who really does it to that schedule?

@aussiebloke609

5 жыл бұрын

I used to do the stainless thing. Then I found that it's really hard to tell the difference between stainless and _new_ rubber lines - but most people are comparing them to the old, worn-out rubber lines that they're replacing. if you're a professional (with a like skill set) or if you're driving off-road a lot, I can see the point. But for spirited driving or the occasional track day - probably not worth the expense.

@alfs8

5 жыл бұрын

@@aussiebloke609 I absolutely agree with your on this point, I got my WRX braided brake line replace on my new WRX after 3500kms, same brake fluid, same pads and rotors, nothing firmer or better brake feedback compare to OE new rubber line, only find it change better by investing a bigger rotor, pads and calipers.

@ghostwrench2292

4 жыл бұрын

I put stainless steel braided brake lines on my motorcycle years ago and I couldn’t believe how much better the braking feel was. I did the same to my car and not much difference. I took the steel braided lines off and put new rubber lines on.

One reason why many people see an improvement in brake pedal feel after upgrading is because they're replacing 15+ year old rubber hoses with brand new lines. They would've felt a difference too with new rubber hoses

@TheCarTakerGarage

5 жыл бұрын

Same goes with people talking down on "rubber bushings"..and wanting to put polyurethane bushings in their street car..and saying "those rubber bushings are crap compared to the nice colored poly bushes".They are comparing an old worn out part to a new "upgraded" part...and that automatically means that the original part is "crap."....man.....gotta love the 98percenters ;)

@santiagocallaba7816

5 жыл бұрын

15+ year rubber brake lines AND 15+ year old fluid!!!!!!

@blazetownsend8785

5 жыл бұрын

I replaced originally with new rubber lines. My peddle feel was still mushy. So I replaced the master cylinder, still mushy. Found a deal on stoptek steel braided lines. (Cost was similar to the rubber lines.) So I picked them up, replaced the front lines. Still mushy, replaced the rears then, no mushy feeling. All new fluid, I replace every year to year and a half, mostly because I want a regular change so I never forget.

@jb6574

4 жыл бұрын

I installed ss brake lines on my car just in the front. The brake pedal feel isnt really any different but the braking response is more immediate and responsive

@1989rrichard

4 жыл бұрын

fuckinlowdowndrummer deffinetly not true ..if u track ur car or even street race doing digs.upgrading the bushing is a must to prevent flex.another important part is if ur start making lower and the motor flex u will have shifting issue.these are things that I personally have been through

Man succeeded in scaring the shit outta us that wanted to upgrade to braided stainless steel lines.

@LorenzoClara97

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly ahahahah

@oskarkarrera

3 жыл бұрын

Right, we all looking @ each other like WTF....

@Vermonstered

3 жыл бұрын

One thing I didn't see mentioned also is stainless steel brake lines are also abrasive. Instead of rubber there's a PTFE line in there surrounded by a plastic cover to help prevent the stainless steel sheath from cutting into the line. Add in some road grit and tens of thousands of turns and flexing of the line inside the stainless steel sheath the brake lines are now a limited lifetime wear item. As it's life rubbing a piece of steel wool over the plastic protective cover every time you turn the steering wheel.

@neilbrown82

3 ай бұрын

Lol 🤣 hell no

And that is.... THE FINE PRINT

@savagegeese

6 жыл бұрын

+TheStraightPipes Yo straight pipes can we collab on a Mitsubishi Mirage Hello Kitty Edition?

@TheStraightPipes

6 жыл бұрын

savagegeese find one and we'll book the next flight out

@zaitcev0

6 жыл бұрын

I honestly want to know what can be done with that little thing. The driving ergonomics with the manual are surprisingly decent for such as small and cheap car. I'm sure it's not beating Civic Type R, ever, but...

This is a great series, really appreciate the unbiased information

The word on the street is that turbosky uses stainless steel condoms 👏

@savagegeese

6 жыл бұрын

+Edgardo Amado He does not use protection.

@justinjones1644

6 жыл бұрын

Scott is going to be the next person to have Chuck Norris-esque jokes created after him... I hope... :-)

@shadowkeeper0

6 жыл бұрын

Nah the protection isn't for him, if you know what i mean.

Very informative, really looking forward to this "fine print" line of videos, glad to see you trying new things with the channel. It's turning into one of my favorite car related KZread destinations.

I love your Fine print videos. You go into topics that aren't always well-covered. It's pretty cool. Keep it up

The Fine Print series was excellent. I know it isn't an eye magnet but I learned something from every single one of them. Thank you for this content.

Love this new series. I'm really glad you started it. No doubt, you're the most real car KZreadr I've watched. Your channel is fantastic.

There is another reason for stainless steel brake lines, and that is feel. Knowing what is happening at the pad is another piece of telemetry that I appreciate. You don't need it on the street, but I have them for the feel. Just because you technically don't need them on a street car, doesn't mean you shouldn't use them. If your car is your love and you don't track it, there are better places to spend your money. Its just this guy's opinion from a practical perspective.

In my opinion... The main reason is general brake feel, not necessarily during track conditions or from heat of the fluid expanding. The benefits are felt EVERY SINGLE TIME you press the brake pedal, at any speed. The oem rubber lines dont hold the 100's of psi (during even a regular brake application) without deforming slightly, which is felt in pedal feel. However, many cars have very soft cast brake calipers , that flex significantly as well. If you have basic cast calipers (or non-perfomance street pads with low initial bite), you will still have a spongy pedal feel even with the stainless steel lines, so just save your money. I agree on the downsides, however.

@kanestefanwoodhouse1277

Жыл бұрын

That spongy feel is the worst. I had mine's installed because of this

@WarriorOfEden3033

Жыл бұрын

Need to change the Brake master cylinder

New segment type is really cool. Loved watching you hold back a smirk when you say the tagline at the end! Keep them coming. This wasn't news to me but I'm sure plenty will have some helpful info, can't wait to see more.

Hot brake fluid can't melt steel beams

@EJL2004

6 жыл бұрын

It was an inside job! ;)

@stifflery

5 жыл бұрын

Some planes don't have black box.

@digitalsiler

5 жыл бұрын

can too!

@67judge

3 жыл бұрын

So can jet fuel ⛽️

@daytonasayswhat9333

3 жыл бұрын

@@EJL2004 Lol.

Basically, you don’t need a 4000 dollar suit if you’re working at Del taco..

@johnwhodat8135

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

SS brake lines also benefit if you do any type of backroad or canyon driving. Fluids don't have to reach boiling point for you to feel the benefit of SS lines.

@patthonsirilim5739

4 жыл бұрын

i use to track my z1000 on oe rubber hose the dual 4 pot tokico works a treat but after a few laps they start to get smoshier not much but the lever seem to go in deeper then when you first start after i replace to earls racing steel lines the braking pefromacne stays consistant troughtout the session for road i say the difference its unlikly to be noticable but when your fluid are hot from constant full braking corner after corner the rubber hose will degrade your performance as the laps piles up but if im honest on the road you barely feel the difference maybe abit of feel but definitly wont shorten your emergency braking distance to be honest

@macantonioc

3 жыл бұрын

This is me with my personal car in Mexico. Lots of twisty roads in the mountains, especially going downhill.

Love the frequency and quality of your videos. Thanks for the good content

Great start to this series! Looking forward to the following videos.

This was a perfect "philosophy of use" analysis. Great video!

Awesome reviews I like how you give the pros and cons to what real world people would go through or deal with.

Just subscribed. I watched two of your vids and I must say the channel is excellent with great commentary that includes unbiased impressions and useful technical details.

Please keep this series going. This is great. Thank you

you dont know how long ive waited for this exact video!!! I am rebuilding my 1950 Cadillac and I really was confused on the benefit of steel brake lines !!

Very informative - thanks for the thorough, no BS explanation!

Very informative...I know little about cars, but can't stop watching this channel. Go SG!

youre the only person i can find who tells all useful information wether it is bad or good

Honest reviews are always the best!!!! Keep the honesty and great job!! Thank you Sir!

Why am I just now discovering this channel? I've been going through videos; great content. Hope this channel blows up.

This is great information. Please keep doing these. I'd like to hear about the practical applications of all the common mods, intake, exhaust, springs etc

Fantastic video. Very educational, great visuals and clean down to the point understanding. Thanks!

Great vid saved me some money that I was gonna waste while upgrading my braking components thank you! Very informative

These series are great by the way. Please go on!

Every word you said is wisdom.Polite,humble,spot on.

Sweet lord, legit information in a consumable package. Very nice video as per usual.

Informative and a great asset to the enthusiast. Keep up the great work!!

Good honest review. I upgraded to SS lines two weeks ago... absolutely no difference on the street.

@ghostwrench2292

4 жыл бұрын

My experience as well. Huge improvement on my motorcycle though.

These are the type of informative videos that are needed. No BS laughing acceleration videos, no widebody/bag everything, no junk half ass install ebay videos.Just some good informative videos that teach you what (and maybe safe you money like this video) modification does and the benefits and importantly the draw backs are.This channel should be held in high regards in the automotive youtube channels. Keep up the damn good work!

Awesome. More great, well-explained concepts presented at a high production level. MOAR, PLZ. =)

Great start to the series and much appreciated. I can attest to the benefits of stainless steel brake lines on the track, but they do feel like overkill on the street unless your security depends on limit braking.

Best and honest advise I have ever seen on KZread so far.

I'm liking this Fine Print series, some bad always comes with the good.

Rubber it is Very informative video man, keep up the good work

@sleepy399

3 жыл бұрын

Would ribbed rubber feel any better ?.

Love this series! Keep it up savagegeese !!!

I just found this video after installing stoptech stainless steel lines in my daily driver 😅

@jaimetorres028

4 жыл бұрын

I'm looking into replacing mine on my daily driver. I live in Los Angeles. Believe it or not, I do feel brake fade in the hot summer weather on the rapid stop and go traffic. After replacing yours, can you tell me how the braking feels? Are your brakes wearing faster? What vehicle do you drive?

@jaimetorres028

4 жыл бұрын

One last question, do you feel like your ABS kicks in way faster?

@telmocalero1061

4 жыл бұрын

I live in LA too, I drive a 2001 toyota celica gt. After installing the lines the brake pedal feels very firm when breaking, however this does not translate to stoping power, and the ABS does seem to kick in faster, also the pads also wear faster. I would say that if you do not take your car the track just stick to the OEM lines and just upgrade you pads to cermic ones.

@jacktran960

3 жыл бұрын

StopTech ones are DOT approved at least, so no big issues there if you install it right.

@AceSolomon94

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Luckily I could only do one side since I stripped the brake line nut on the other (didn't use a flare wrench)

I didn't like the way this guy started slow with a lot of words and wide spaces between them at the first glance, but it it's got all perfectly aligned with the actual information the video was claimed to deliver. I was very pleased to see all of my qustion answered exactly the way they should have been. Good job!

Loving the new series!

Amazing explanation for the pros and cons between each rubber and stainless brake lines!

I'm glad someone is making videos like this with so much misinformation on the internet. I myself have all this stuff too, but like said in the video just know what you are getting yourself into. more maintenance and checking.

Keep these videos coming! So much great info

Bravo. Great information here & looking forward to more fine print videos.

I like the new series, my favorite part of this channel is the no Bullshit approach, keep up the good videos👍👍

Excellent! I'm a big fan of The Fine Print.

Nobody ever talked on the downsides of stainless steel brake lines. Glad you did.

Love it, pro/cons and straight to the point!

Very timely watch for me. Getting a quote on a brake upgrade today.

Excellent explanation and a good watch. Much appreciated!

All your videos are very informative and helpful to me personally and Im sure to everyone else as well. I have decided not to go with SS lines for my S2000 after watching this video. Thank you always!

Thank you. Great info. Level headed & honest. No hype no bias

I’ll save you some time: 1) Why steel braided brake lines? • Because they don’t expand. Period. 2) Do you need them for the street? • No.

Thanks, your video pop up right on time. I’m rebuilding a beat up Car and thought of replacing the brake line with ss type. So helpful in deciding to go for it or not.. cheers!

Very informative. Like this vein of videos. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for this. I was considering putting some braided lines on while doing the brake pads, but I think I'll just use some new rubber lines, since the ones on there now are about 12-13 years old. I don't do serious track driving, because I don't really have the spare time or money to get into it. Fundamentally, even though I do like to go fast, it's still just street driving.

100% agree with you 👍🏾 only thing i could add as it relates to liability is the shock load stress then the abs module activities hammering brake system through fluid during its operation.. rubber lines act like accumulators reducing the shock load as the pressure spikes then module pulsates

I love your production quality!

Excellent! This is the kind of stuff you need to be doing!

Concise, brilliant, and to the point!

Another top video dude, keep up the good work.

Terrific breakdown. Thanks for the video.

stumbled on this video and it helped me make my decision. I almost went stainless because mine are getting mushy, but glad I did research first

Great job! You could make a part 2 about race brake fluid and pads?

Great video, and 2 videos in 2 days, nice.

Such an excellent informative video, subscribed.

Great video, quick concise and right!

Good info in a quick, short vid. Thanks!

Very well explained. Thanks

I like this new series... Keep em up

Thank you for the info. I'm getting MTEC stainless steel lines put on my frs this week with rbf600 fluid and winmax w3 pads so ill be ready for the track next month

ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION

I love my goodridge ss lines. the feel is amazing and adds to performance just because of that. It is very vaulable on the street imo. THe brakes are the most important thing on a car. I will have them on all my cars.

Savagegeese has videos just about everyday???? I can die a happy man now. Dude, good work on all of your videos, and the shoppe is sweet. Hurry up and get Scott back on the videos so that my life can be complete.

@mikewazowski7613

6 жыл бұрын

Madeline, as do I. His rye sense of humor goes perfectly with the videos he's in.

I super enjoyed that! Thanks for the tips!

Thanks, good info and to the point! great job.

Thanks a lot for your explanation. I will keep my rubber ones then. Regards

Love the series guys

Great honest video thank you!

In 2013 I did z1 motorsports ss brake and clutch lines on my ‘06 350Z. I thought it was a tremendous upgrade. Brakes and clutch really firmed up and felt strong. Put them on my ‘15 Titan in 2018 and had the same experience: nice and firm brakes.

Good info and to the point, thank you sir!

Just in time!! I was thinking of getting some braided brake lines and new fluid! Gonna get educated, cya in 6.35

Should have watched this before I bought my stainless steel brake lines.

@louie4316

4 жыл бұрын

Don't feel bad, the SS lines will give you much better pedal feel because there's no expansion on the lines from the hydraulic pressure. Its worth it, nothing scary about it. These lines are used in the racing world where they're tortured, they wont fall apart at the fittings.

more of these please !

Thanks for the analysis

Wow! Great video!

Makes a lot of sense! Thanks you!

this guy is great. i really like these videos.

So informative!

Not alot of people really talk about these braided plastic lines wear out very quickly, leak, and come apart at the terminations after all those expansion and contractions wear out the plastic at the termination joints, yes what they call stainless braided lines are basically a plastic like material line, many have had lines severed at the terminations, good for track and feel, doesn't last on the street, these braided lines are dangerous on the street , even if you inspect them you never know when they will shear off at the terminations, rubber hoses are much much more forgiving aka flexible and last basically the life of the car, if only someone came out with super high quality hybrid brake lines without the shearing issues at the terminations.

I don't know if you had to redo several takes from forgetting your words or needing to explain something better, but you are incredibly eloquent for the amount of time you spend talking without cutting a shot.

well explained. helped me make a decision to not the replace the rubber brake lines on my wrx and avoid the extra cost.