Hello Friends! Sorry for the delay in content. Between kidney stones and a cancer scare my last 5 weeks have been a whirlwind. So as an apparently middle aged dude, i emplore all other dudes get your bum checked. A finger or two is less embarrassing than chemo. Youre all awesome and legendary. Have a fantastic weekend

@masterridley8593

Ай бұрын

Hope you're alright.

@katathoombz

Ай бұрын

Many more good years to you, bro, pissin and poopin without problems

@atankersview

Ай бұрын

I am all good. Went in with kidney stones and the mri showed an anomaly. So i had it checked on and a bunch of tests done. Was glad it was ok. Thank you all for the concern. I am learning to be more health conscious. Especially with a new little one on the way

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

Ouch! Kidney stones SUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Hope things get better soon.

@albusplaustrum06

Ай бұрын

Wife struggles with kidney stones, had them blasted 3 times so far. Good luck with them.

The first German attempt to build a tank was an eight legged walker in 1915 or 16. It broke down during the first trial and the Germans turned to the A7V.

if you have sufficiently advanced technology they could really use thrusters or anti-grav to hoover around. Then you can deploy the legs and fight enemies. That's assuming you can do it efficiently anyway. Excited for the video

@dragon12234

Ай бұрын

Live hover tanks it feels like one of those things that's better in low gravity enviroments as well. IE the Moon. Where ordinary tank threads might lose traction in the low gravity and loose soil, it's nothing that legged or hovering tanks need to care about

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

The problem with these I think is fuel. Thrusters to hold up a tank would have to go through fuel like the DOD goes through money LOL Anti-gravity....depends. If its like Star Wars and its really efficient maybe that would work, but, unless our physics are completely wrong (and they could be) the limiting factor is how much power it would take. My question is how are you going to get either approved by the budget office LOL

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

@@dragon12234 I agree. Low G would be a place where these things would shine. That or if your planet had lots of really difficult terrain (deep canyons, ravines, boulder fields) and more conventional units simply can't move at all. The limiting factor of hover tanks is how much power does the lifters require and how much money does all this cost. Because you have to get the hardware green lit by the general staff or budget office or whatever.

@dragon12234

Ай бұрын

@@Wastelandman7000 yep, though if you have the tech to travel between planets cheaply enough that you can afford to wage war on a scale that warrants tanks that is probably less of a problem

Could you imagine the headache any walking vehicle would cause its crew and mechanics in the motor pool? Let alone one with six to eight legs?? I just had flashbacks to my time as a Bradley dismount and spending an entire day in the motor pool busting my back doing very routine maintenance.

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

With current tech its not possible. But, who knows what the future holds. Our technology doesn't resemble the tech of just 200 years ago. So while I agree based on our current technology these things are ridiculous, I've learned to never say never.

@dabluflcn

Ай бұрын

@@Wastelandman7000 I for one think that if tanks persist into the future they will almost certainly always be wheeled or tracked. Ground pressure and the square cubed law make any other idea impossible and additional complexity beyond what we need at a minimum introduce too much room for failure or threaten logistical capability to maintain them. Plus anything that could make a walking tank more survivable could be just added to a tank as they are now with less work and less complexity.

Dude, I know your pain. I have suffered off and on for the past 35 years with Kidney Stones.

We've had enough episodes of you tearing apart sci-fi tanks, for your next milestone video let's see what you'd design as a sci-fi tank!

@atankersview

Ай бұрын

Im working on trying to put together a collab for episode 100 😉

Mines: not exactly better or worse. Spider legs in theory cover less surface area, meaning less chance of triggering mines, and depending on leg length has the vehicle further away from them when they detonate. Another possible benefit is the thing could walk around the mines if it knows where they are, skipping the need of mine clearing equipment. In exchange the leg might have less armor and reinforcement than the rest of the Vic and depending on leg number and height might make the thing crash to the ground, damaging anything that sticks out like weapons as well as injuring crew. Range of motion: Spiders have a surprising advantage here. The increased range of motion can improve the range of gun elevation and depression, issues you never think about until you have them. Additionally the idea of moving sideways has its own list of uses like keeping your toughest armor facing towards a target. If we’re dealing with one that can walk on walls this has some extra benefits like walking the thing up the side of a building beforehand and attacking from above or reorienting itself to hide in narrow spaces like alleyways. Everybody gangsta until General Dynamics brand Arachnophobia with a 105mm comes crawling out that alleyway you can’t fit more than 3 people in. Prestige/flex: Every arm chair general is going on about how tanks are being made by some new technology or another. If anyone can make a spider tank, just the ability to make the thing stable enough to stand would be a flex in design. Making it walk with any amount of grace would have any programmer, designer, or engineer who sees it screaming about black magic. On top of that every tin-pot dictator is either going to bankrupt themselves trying to make their own or buying them from whoever made them. Psychological/fear factor: If it can walk seamlessly enough that it looks almost natural it’s going to be the scariest thing on legs since real spiders. Humans are hardwired to fear things that scuttle and scaling it up ain’t going to make it any better. There’s also the fear factor of facing an enemy that can manufacture monsters like you suddenly became an extra in the next EDF game.

I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion on power armor. I remember hearing someone claim that it could render tanks obsolete and I can see where they're coming from. If you could outfit half a dozen men with what are essentially one-man tanks, then you would have an infantry squad that could do virtually everything a tank can do and more.

In the sci-fi universe I'm working on one of the factions actually does have a "spider tank" ... which they use as mobile F.O.B's capable of deploying and supporting a whole battalion in the time it takes for it to get from orbit to planetfall. Oh and it's primary armament is a 16 inch railcannon

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

Interesting. Kind of like the carriers from Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak only on legs instead of tracks or anti-grav.

@josefroque5551

27 күн бұрын

What's it called?

@firestorm165

27 күн бұрын

@@josefroque5551 Human forces refer to them as "Scorpions" but the Ruthari who build and operate them call them "Tor'Zella" after a warrior hero of history who fought off a superior foe for 150 days and nights without losing his castle

How soon can you cover the other vehicles of Valkyria Chronicles? Or how about giving the Fire Nation tanks of Avatar: The Last Airbender a go?

@atankersview

Ай бұрын

Soon, ive been busy passing kidney stones the last month to get on anything. 0/10 do not recommend. Probably about a month. Im working on a helldivers video and another star wars one right now.

@akumaking1

Ай бұрын

@@atankersview ouch. Stay healthy and safe my dude

@kevinkocher9347

Ай бұрын

@@atankersviewtake care of yourself please your an awesome person

Sci Fi rules combined with lowest common dominator military standards would likely make the legs as detachable isolated systems that you unbolt and replace with one off the logistics truck carrying that also carrying the spare tank barrels. The likely sensible tech to power these legs would be electric motors and each leg features it's own brain and sensors to that talks to all the other legs to help the driver achieve their goals without over burdening the driver on being concerned with leg arcs or walking/crawling with missing legs. The "thorax" transmission where it all attaches would be the field maintenance nightmare and more obvious weak spot. Unless material sciences improves vastly this would have to be strong enough to hold the entire tank up by this area to the point this is where you can attach a tow cable to this part upside down and in theory hold the entire tank up without stress breaking, this is the part alone that's going to make the spider tank more stupid expensive over traditional format tanks. Sure legs can add up but with increased tech the equally advanced treads of a standard tank of the day would likely be comparable especially if it has features such as tilting. Then there is the consideration of combat evolution doctrine, spider drivers would likely argue for use of the legs as sacrificial armor and parts to protect the body from missile and drone threats on top of existing counter measures. Traditional tankers would know to shoot the thorax or at least tow legs off. And then field of deployment and use of spider tanks gets settled. We're going to find that spider tanks in open flat lands are poorly suited, the extra ambulators will take up more energy and supply this lowering its deployment range, swampy and muddy areas are its bane, and tonn per tonn will have less armor and armaments at increased cost. More considerations of possible evolution of use and abuse is spider tanks could possibly replace legs with specialized roles such as gantries or lifts for vehicle repairs, a trencher tools to help with fortifications, recon legs to poke well above the body to take a peek, or maybe erect an impromptu radio tower receiver/transmitter. Lighter spiders to climb buildings with ambusher anti tank weapons like tow or javelin missiles then have the mobility to get away from retaliation. Then the tonn per tonn match ups likely to be used as urban defenders. The tanks will be able to peak over rubble around corners and long as the defenders have good Intel of their own turf can easily fight their way to cost effectiveness unless completely overwhelmed.

@Wastelandman7000

Ай бұрын

It is difficult to justify as a main combat vehicle. If you replace servos with things like the myomer bundles from Battletech service becomes a bit easier. Cut the power. remove armor. remove bundle, replace bundle. Test motor functions, re-armor. Off you go. NEXT! The other factors in weight depends on how much, what kind and, if any armor does this thing have. If you look at the manga/anime 86, their Juggernauts are the equivalent of a WWII US "Hellcat" tank destroyer. Paper thin armor but a big ass gun used for ambush duties. Designed for speed rather than protection. As the pilots were considered expendable that makes sense in the setting. Though I still have no idea what powers them or how the servos work. If you have something like metal foam armor (that they're developing now for space ships) the armor could be very light. The "hip" joints would have to have some kind of shock absorber system to keep the unit intact. Though I think something more animalistic like a scaled down Zoid would be more practical as you can put more armor on the legs and protect the thorax area.

When you see a sider tank lumbering neatby you might be alarmed, but then it suddenly scuttles and the bowels start to move.

They look cooler than humanoid mecha, but they make only marginally more sense in any setting concerned with realism. Firstly, it will take more engine power to move a leg than to turn a wheel. Wheels are more efficient. Any army would like smaller engine using less fuel as long as the vehicle can do it's job. With walkers it's the reverse. This is a very fragile way of building locomotion too. A sprocket is not a weight bearing element, the road wheels are and they are of relatively low complexity. On a leg most of it's elements will be both weight carrying elements and providing the motion. Which means that this is going to be a very short living system. Dismantling an entire leg to replace a worn joint vs replacing a single link or a pin in the track which is something a crew can do in the field... Psychological effect is short living if it happens at all. It took Romans one or two battles per average to get used to the elephants. A tank or a wheeled AFV gets a hit in the traction, it just stops. A walker thingy will fall. Now the crew inside takes extra damage that is only made worse the heavier the vehicle is. Maybe it's only one leg lost and it can stand up... Maybe. Or maybe the dudes inside can't do it because they were slamming into the ground sitting inside a hard armored box with hard stuff inside because it's going to be way worse than driving through a bumpy offroad. The recoil from the gun is going to be fun because a conventional AFV is just a box conveniently resting on the ground, but now the gun is set high on a platform on top of set of levers, plus said levers are going to take extra wear to the joints if the gun is really powerful. Much fun with stabilizing the gun too, because obviously it wasn't difficult enough with a conventional tank. But ok, let's say technology reaches the level making all this extra effort possible. Then why to not build instead a combined arms force of bigger, badder and better conventional tanks with a support of conventional gunships? Because if you can build a working mecha, this means you can build seriously god tier tanks and gunships. More bang for the buck.

Hmmm, Spider Tanks... interesting, Unlike Hover tanks they not unlock your inner Canada Goose.

I can see smaller urban tank against personel using heavy machine Guns. Somewhat similar to ghost in a shell. The heavy spider tank with a big Gun would be too much of an inbalance i think.

Probably the only justification that really works is using some kind of brain interface. Presumably a machine that moves like a living thing could achieve a higher synch ratio with the nervous system than a conventional vehicle. There's also "soft robotics" like artificial muscle fibers instead of old fashioned metal joints, which would be a handy thing to have in desert conditions since they would be more resistant to sand. That'd be especially fun if you could get them to conduct nerve signals like the real thing. I'm pretty sure the mechs in Battletech are supposed to work like that, but the art is pretty inconsistent about it. People want them to look like Gundams instead of upscaled Crysis suits.

Hmm is a vehicle that takes all the problems of mech legs and then increases the maintenance needs by 2-6 legs while almost certainly having a higher overall height and questionable stability for your main firing platform a good idea....

@KageRyuu6

Ай бұрын

Most Mech universes go stupid big though, like 12m tall minimum, by comparison GitS' largest "spider" tanks are only slightly taller than an M1 Abrahams.

As a Bolo fan since the 70s the Deng Yavac scout as a multilegged armored fighting vehicle, made sense for the Deng to build, since the Deng are basically large dog sized spider or insect like creatures. I agree that what more recent authors have done with the Yavac medium and heavy by giving them legs as well instead of tracks is a mistake.

So, funny story, I saw your "Where's Waldo" vid, went "Oh, so that's gonna take a bit of time." Aaaand forgot about the channel that turned me on (pause) to the Bolo entirely. Whoops. Good to see you after a while of me messing that up. Thanks for the recommendation, been loving the Bolo books thus far. As a personal aside I have everything but three books: "The Stars Must Wait" "The Compleat Bolo" and "Their Finest Hour" and am on the last story of Book 3: Triumphant. On a more channel relevant aside, there's a new sci-fi series called LAND&SEA that I've been reading and in the second book the MBT of near-future America appears. Though it's a story driven book that doesn't geek on tech details; there's a board game being worked on for the series and that means imagery, minis, and stats. When those inevitably get released in a year or two(-ish), would you be willing to do A Tanker's Breakdown of the Buford MBT? Minor suggestions also for the Schwarzkopf Fighting Vehicle, which I'm assuming from nothing is the near-future Bradley. As well as the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (the Jolt), which I'm also making an assumption is the Humvee's near-future equivalent.

I feel like Spider tanks are fairly particular to super high tech sci-fi or more often, Cyberpunk.

Thumbs up for the Forged alliance B roll

Venikus is a great vehicle combining ATV sci fi truck with mech like traits being able crawl or drive as wheels are also their claws, in its lore venikus is classified as hunter type vehicle ment hunt and track foes like hunter hunting wild animals.

The only place Spidertanks have a significant advantage over standard ones is in mountainous terrain, hence why Japan was so interested in the design. You can't get an average MBT up a boulder strewn / terraced mountain side, but you can get Spiders up them.

Is it just me or wouldn't the biggest issue be its inability to operate in anything but paved environment or rocky surfaces. I can't see this going over a semi swampy field and not sink down until it lays on the belly. it would have crazy amount of weight on waaaay to small an area.

@dragon12234

Ай бұрын

It depends, regarding the swampy area, on how deep it is relative to the tanks max height. You could have it lift it's legs out. Same thing applies to water

@albusplaustrum06

Ай бұрын

Up armoured Abrams(75ish tons) have roughly 16-17 psi of ground pressure. A 1250 pound horse goes from 25 psi standing still to 500 psi in a gallop. Spider tank is going to need yuuuuuuuge feet, go on a diet, or both to navigate off hardened terrain at speed. 75 ton spider will need less than 2 psi to transverse mud or roughly 9,375 square inches per "foot" to stand on the surface of mud. Double if using a 4 up 4 down gait without adding in the additional force of the gait(see horse multiplier of 20). Or have a limited anti-grav/hover mode. Maybe the legs can hit the hardened bottom of the swamp/mud and still move at speed. Comes into what is the length of the legs and articulation angles. Tall spindly legs daddy long legs vs tarantula. How much torque can each leg handle or exert in a given angle. On the other hand a snow cat can be around .8 to 1.5 psi, upscale it to tank weights. Might be a bit wide/long making it a fat target for top down munitions.

SupCom in the intro?!? Fuck yes!

Yeah, but a spider tank can't do anything a hover tank couldn't do, while having way more exposed shit that can break. Well, might be that arachnophobia trick... Pretty sure we gonna see spider drones in not so distant future tho. But a full on walker MBT? Having the tech to pull it of we will have better shit to build first.

really the battlefield will always determine what's most practical but theoretically a multi leg walker wont be imediately imobilized like a tank getting tracked if it loses a leg, it could raise and lower its hieght, strafe, turn in place, dig a trench, navigate terrain a normal tank would bottom out in, hot swappable legs, wheels built into the legs for roadway use, and people say joints are a horrendous weak spot and yet tanks have a single track responsible for the movement of the entire vehicle vulnerable from every side . i say what really has made real life walkers not feasible is just that we cant make them and upkeep them with our current tech, but the idea of a walker isnt as absurd as people make it out to be.

Check out the anime 86. Their spider mechs are more like late WWII tank destroyers. Paper thin armor, BFG, high mobility ambush predators. They also die. A lot.

Tracked mbts with spider tank recon? Spider tanks drawing all the AT from sudden onset arachnophobia. Recon tanks should theoretically be lighter than the following mbts, making the whole walking thing more viable. Really capitalize on the phobias. As part of a main force the enemy might have time to mentally prepare themselves, but as a recon thing where they just kind of turn up and soil trousers. Perfection.

Tank police

Vibrations are Hele's nightmares, don't mix that into your Tanks

hey tank whats your thought on the M4A3 Vánagandr, M1A4 Juggernaut and XM2 Reginleif from 86―Eighty-Six? and could you imagine those or similar vehicles in a scout/support role together with tanks?

This is an even more maintenance hell than 2 leg 😅 The only SF alternative that makes sense is hover, humanoid has high center of gravity, spider can’t carry weight. In case we need to use walker it will resemble elephant or oxygen those are most weight bearing all terrain limbs that is proven for many million years

I agree they wouldn't be general purpose AFVs I'd think spider tanks would be specialized equipment for getting into or over terrain tracked/wheeled/air cushioned/anti-gravity units have trouble traversing. I think the Heavy Gear game uses them as artillery/anti-aerospace platforms for extremely mountainous terrain. With gears (humanoid walkers) and conventional armor/infantry as support and security elements. Then again, we don't know what future technology is going to be like. If they can get to space and move whole armies across interstellar distances and insert them onto hostile planets, who knows? Maybe their robotics technology is more reliable than our more conventional vehicles. Think of it this way, we still haven't come up with the first effective all robotic vehicle. So we're not even at the Wright brothers level of development. They are creating quads though. so there is development going on, just not for military use. But, I'd point out the first military tanks were derived from commercial tracked vehicles. So like I said, who knows what the future holds. Look up "How To Ride Kuratas" then realize that's from 11 years ago. Still anything from Hammer's Slammers would run rings around them and blow them to pieces with superheated plasma.

I feel like the four-legged ones from the 86 - eighty six anime are a good representation of a realistic "spider tank" while technically being neither. Very lightweight and nearly unarmored leaves them very maneuverable with it's only notable value being it's main cannon. The white ones later on in the show are larger, slightly more armored, and come with a wider assortment of weapons.(The dub is unironically better)

it would be kind of bad. if a spider tank is 100 feet in to a minefield. when a leg finds a antitankmine. my solution to spider tanks and hovertanks would be. a proximity mine. the mine sends up the main charge. that detonate on inpact.

@ironwolfsaber2739

Ай бұрын

Two words, networked mines, spider steps on one, mine knows it's a spider and signal it's buddy to shoot up and hit the body.

@albusplaustrum06

Ай бұрын

Hammer mines but on land, if triggered, pops a launch charge to get the ordnance above ground, quick sensor sweep to ID potential target, thrust vectoring towards target, main engine ignites, moves towards target in either a top down, terrain hugging course, or both. Depending on warhead it can impact for penetration or proximity detonate. Depending on profile of solution and contact the triggering sensor can call on ordnance delivery from multiple possible locations. Preprogram the "mines" to purposely allow the vehicle(s) to make it further into the field to maximize the amount of munitions that can be brought to bear from multiple angles to increase target(s) elimination chances. Maybe even concentrate on disabling vehicles vs destroying to create more obstacles or funnel enemy to more ordnance. Of course can have parameters to determine current field strength and signature of contact(s). Also the 12B could be looking for a small sensor and/or a largish buried single use VLS. Or could be as simple as a "crate" draped with some materials to blend in with the terrain. Don't forget decoys are also very cheap to make and mixed in to increase area of contention could task saturate enemy engineers. Not to mention toe poppers sprinkled in waiting for them that would not be triggered by large vehicles.

Why do almost no "Spider Tanks" have 8 legs. 4 leg - Dog Tank 6 leg - Bug Tank 8 leg- Spider Tank

What game is that in the background?

@atankersview

Ай бұрын

Supreme commander forged alliance. With the make it loud mod 😁