Are Solar Red Dots Any Good Yet?

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Solar panels on red dots have always been a gimmick in the past, but the new Holosun SCS and SCRS are seeking to change that. Did they succeed? Or just suck? Let's find out.
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  • @natsuccubus
    @natsuccubus8 ай бұрын

    someone should make a module that clamps on the top and shines an led on it :3

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    What a truly awful thing to say.

  • @slick4415

    @slick4415

    8 ай бұрын

    And make the module solar powered

  • @CokeheadClause

    @CokeheadClause

    8 ай бұрын

    @@slick4415and then they should make a module that clamps on top and shines another LED on it.

  • @DrRudymax

    @DrRudymax

    8 ай бұрын

    Just mount a vampire light facing back towards you 5head

  • @MrHVHVHV

    @MrHVHVHV

    8 ай бұрын

    I have that for my old meperolight that suffers from horrible washout. Full-retard circle - get old optic that operates without batteries and then add a battery powered led light that feeds the light gathering fibres. It adds weight, bulk and you can see the diod from some angles😂

  • @achilles_kbab
    @achilles_kbab8 ай бұрын

    11:32 the Chinese have, indeed devised an EMP that can erase etched reticles. It's called a thermonuclear bomb.

  • @Toasty_Toast.

    @Toasty_Toast.

    6 ай бұрын

    "What type electromagnetism?" *Gamma*

  • @nighthawk3305

    @nighthawk3305

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@Toasty_Toast.Spicy air

  • @BrassFacts
    @BrassFacts8 ай бұрын

    I'm surprised that non of the auto adjust modes optics let you use the adjustment buttons while in auto mode. Such that it basically acts as a trim to set what you want the brightness level to be for a given light input. Combined with a limiter that only allows the auto brightness to go up or down say, +/- 4 settings, would make for a much more useful auto brightness for a CCW handgun context.

  • @joshuabracke5775

    @joshuabracke5775

    8 ай бұрын

    I feel that would be the next version of the SCS we'd see for pistols. They do give you that manual max brightness setting for 30 min but I'd like to at least see that be programmable because the max brightness is way too much even in an overcast day

  • @brentonk5074

    @brentonk5074

    8 ай бұрын

    The logic manufacturer used to design the red dot with auto brightness adjust just not smart enough.

  • @JakeCamo

    @JakeCamo

    8 ай бұрын

    Yea seriously that would be extremely useful

  • @alexxu3004

    @alexxu3004

    8 ай бұрын

    @@brentonk5074I think it's more of highest sustainable brightness from solar power alone kind of deal especially on pistol sight without capacitor

  • @michaelblacktree

    @michaelblacktree

    8 ай бұрын

    Here's another idea: Put a light sensor in the field of view. You know, so it adjusts to the actual amount of light going through the optic. Crazy idea? I'm guessing they're using the voltage output from the solar panel as the "light sensor?" That's simple and easy, but also lazy.

  • @MW-sw4cp
    @MW-sw4cp8 ай бұрын

    The auto brightness is like a fiber optic with extra steps.

  • @wishuhadmyname

    @wishuhadmyname

    8 ай бұрын

    ACOG: Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!

  • @GeorgeCowsert

    @GeorgeCowsert

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes, but fiber optics can only really work for etched reticles in prism optics. A solar panel is the only feasible way to make a holo or red dot sight auto adjust.

  • @spehhhsssmarineer8961

    @spehhhsssmarineer8961

    8 ай бұрын

    @@GeorgeCowsert Didn’t trijicon make a reflex sight powered by a fiber optic?

  • @MW-sw4cp

    @MW-sw4cp

    8 ай бұрын

    Mepro and trijicon. The m21 and rmr don't have an etched reticle but are fiber optic and tritium illuminated "dots".

  • @marcusborderlands6177

    @marcusborderlands6177

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@spehhhsssmarineer8961yes and they SUCK. hop has videos on em

  • @nathan_k
    @nathan_k8 ай бұрын

    1:00 - Okay, that's all I needed. This is the only point of the video worth watching. Socko makes his guest appearance early and is fine as usual. Didn't have to skip to the end this time.

  • @nathan_k

    @nathan_k

    8 ай бұрын

    ...now I'm curious how this timestamp will look in the "timeline histogram" bell curve graph.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    If you quit at 1 minute you miss the extended catmeo at 10 minutes.

  • @LFDNC

    @LFDNC

    8 ай бұрын

    I’m watching it meow with my own little fuzzbutt.

  • @josedorsaith5261

    @josedorsaith5261

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@LFDNC For a moment i thought you were talking about your actual butt

  • @notaboutit3565

    @notaboutit3565

    8 ай бұрын

    @@josedorsaith5261 turn around and look at your own bubble butt before you look at the bubble butt of the world

  • @NEVECcommand
    @NEVECcommand8 ай бұрын

    I like Holosun’s solar backup option. I’ve never been convinced to trust a pure solar device, however, the backup is better than having a dead battery and a dedicated paperweight. Even if it’s dim, it’s better than no reticle at all IMO

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    8 ай бұрын

    It actually uses solar as primary and battery as backup which is far smarter than doing the opposite

  • @heyhayhay247

    @heyhayhay247

    8 ай бұрын

    A flight somehow KO-ed the 1632 in my 507C despite being a relatively new battery. The solar mode made it at least usable until I could get to a new battery.

  • @BuckF0eJiden

    @BuckF0eJiden

    8 ай бұрын

    Agreed. I've run Holosun 407cs on my rifles and my pistol for a while now, solely because of the solar backup with the shake awake and auto-off. I really like having a 2 moa dot over a rifle scope, too. 6" dot at 300 on a 5.56 gun, mounted at +4.5" over bore and a 65 yd zero (16" GPR) makes taking shots in a hurry with your dot out to 300 a breeze.

  • @3dlimetapse779

    @3dlimetapse779

    6 ай бұрын

    Prism 1x scopes with etched reticles is what ur really looking for

  • @heyhayhay247

    @heyhayhay247

    6 ай бұрын

    @3dlimetapse779 They're not applicable or as useful in most situations, but they have their place though

  • @Slivyr
    @Slivyr8 ай бұрын

    Every time I see Hop with my beloved PDP, I get excited thinking he'll finally talk about it. And every time I am disappoint.

  • @andreivaldez2929

    @andreivaldez2929

    8 ай бұрын

    I think Fudd Busters did a good review of it. I don't really watch their stuff but it's there if you just want to see it reviewed.

  • @Osprey1994

    @Osprey1994

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@andreivaldez2929 Fudd Busters review isn't that good. There's a lot of unnecessary bulk because it's essentially a love letter to Walther. If you need a good PDP review there are plenty of reviewers who have checked it out. Personally I find it a bit chunky, but the stock trigger is decent (likes being wet, starts getting bound up when dry), texture is poor and loses bite quickly, ergonomics are ok but it's a bit large for some hands, recoil is a bit sharp but it returns to 0 quickly and a 15lb recoil spring can easily improve the behavior. As for reliability, they are notoriously reliable with Hwansik Kim having a 125k rd example.

  • @donkeydefense

    @donkeydefense

    8 ай бұрын

    Because the PDP is a mediocre gun at best.

  • @Windowlick_

    @Windowlick_

    8 ай бұрын

    10 second review: It's a PPQ but with larger slide serrations and a better optic mounting system

  • @Crangaso

    @Crangaso

    8 ай бұрын

    @@donkeydefense Respectfully, I wholeheartedly disagree

  • @emersonb5764
    @emersonb57648 ай бұрын

    Put the solar panel out in front of the muzzle or inside the can so the bright muzzle flash will recharge the capacitor with every shot ;-)

  • @Matthew-zb3iw

    @Matthew-zb3iw

    8 ай бұрын

    smartest youtube commenter

  • @bugnut4432

    @bugnut4432

    4 ай бұрын

    you could have a little turbine generator to charge the capacitor off the muzzle blast, plus I bet it would make a fun vwooosh sound :))

  • @shize9ine
    @shize9ine8 ай бұрын

    2:30 - correct, you can’t just forever charge a lithium directly, but it can absolutely be done. A BMS circuit or cell protection circuit would have to be added to cut circuit after min/ max voltage/charge as well as a voltage step up to get that tiny ass solar cell output above 3.x volts or whatever higher than nominal battery voltage. The problem is by the time the solar charge powers the step up and bms, the miliamps it would be putting into the battery would be very low from such a tiny solar cell. But for $300+ I expect a manufacturer to at least try. Material costs are fractions of that.

  • @G3ntl3Giant
    @G3ntl3Giant8 ай бұрын

    I have been running the Sig Romeo 4T on two rifles for over 5 years and a Holosun 509T on another for a couple of years and I have never needed to swap out their original batteries, but I do live in Southwest, AZ so it's sunny 90% time and they have ran flawlessly thus far

  • @chardeemacdennis357
    @chardeemacdennis3578 ай бұрын

    As someone who works in commercial solar - YOU'RE RIGHT

  • @Girth_Brooks01
    @Girth_Brooks018 ай бұрын

    "I'll see you again, soon." Sounds more like a threat than a promise. I dig it.

  • @ICanDoItMyself
    @ICanDoItMyself8 ай бұрын

    I feel like I gotta say, this is one of my favorite firearms and accessories review channels. Good detail, thorough but not 30 minute long videos filled with nothing or a bunch of babbling. I should probably work on that for my videos. Referencing the recent channel name change, up until that announcement video, I thought your name was Hop! 😆

  • @ignitionSoldier
    @ignitionSoldier8 ай бұрын

    This review came just in time. I was thinking about throwing this on an LPVO top mounted. I think I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks!

  • @sinisterthoughts2896
    @sinisterthoughts28968 ай бұрын

    Thanks! This video was so helpful! I've been trying to parse this info for a while.

  • @rivercityracer3683
    @rivercityracer36838 ай бұрын

    I tried an SCS on my friend's G17 and its the first pistol red dot i've used that presented perfectly on the first dryfire. Irons were right there co-witnessed but somehow it didn't feel really busy to my eye either. Being direct mounted low on the slide and presenting naturally like that weigh heavily on me if I decide to get a handgun red dot for a future G45 "build." Still has irons in the glass regardless of possible electronics/solar considerations.

  • @ArduousPun

    @ArduousPun

    8 ай бұрын

    I second the SCS being a great red dot.

  • @jdubya4885

    @jdubya4885

    4 ай бұрын

    scs mos is a game changer on multiple levels! co-witness, direct mount, battery life/solar. it's a no-brainer. I agree though, this one (the rifle version) doesn't have all of those benefits

  • @Uncle_Anthoni
    @Uncle_Anthoni8 ай бұрын

    I do believe the scrs can also charge from light in your house too. It doesn't need to just be sunlight.

  • @Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329

    @Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes, artificial light will charge it.

  • @FocusTripp
    @FocusTripp8 ай бұрын

    I literally just got one...

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    BOULDER BOULDER BOULDER

  • @Panzermeister36
    @Panzermeister368 ай бұрын

    I took part in environmental destructive testing of the Holosun 507c as part of a defence-related weapons procurement. The solar panel cracked during minor drop testing which did not damage other optics. The 507c would also default to some stupid solar panel mode (solar low?) after every battery swap (which we did after each test...) which was very irritating. We could not find any benefit of having the solar panel; it was simply a structural weakness and usability problem. I also learned the EOTech Vudu is terrible...

  • @JohnRedacted

    @JohnRedacted

    8 ай бұрын

    based Vudu hater , in durabilty , if you tested them that is . how did sig/holosun style T-1 optics like Romeo 5 & 403/530 kinda optic hold up compared with aimpoint and eotech stuff

  • @EdwardSnortin

    @EdwardSnortin

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@JohnRedactedI'm curious about that too

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    8 ай бұрын

    I can't really think of a scenario of banging up a gun and optic that hard. Maybe you decide to rock climb with the rifle slung in front if you? Because bullet or shrapnel to ant gun or optic will break the optic.

  • @Panzermeister36

    @Panzermeister36

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@jason200912 standard NATO 3 foot drop test onto a plywood surface.

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Panzermeister36 it seems Estonia did not have this problem in their contract

  • @PNWGUERRILLA
    @PNWGUERRILLA8 ай бұрын

    The Chinese haven’t made anything that can effect glass etching………yet

  • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
    @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz8 ай бұрын

    On auto brightness: the best one ive used so far is the Vortex Venom. Its a fairly fragile dot, but the sensor is on the front, and its adjustment rate even picks up muzzle flash. It always been at a good brightness and i like it.

  • @highdesertdrew1844
    @highdesertdrew18448 ай бұрын

    The use of supercaps in this application is interesting, and something I'd like to see more of in the future. I should probably mount up one of my red dots and go shoot it again, I haven't used an RDS for quite a while, just not as good as etched.

  • @MrRobertSpearsJr
    @MrRobertSpearsJr8 ай бұрын

    if you want a solar powered optic, use a Trijicon ACOG

  • @hambone950

    @hambone950

    8 ай бұрын

    or their dual lume rmr

  • @bis5523
    @bis55238 ай бұрын

    Good video, i pretty much agree that by the time they get one you can program to the lighting conditions your in its not going to be worth it compared to other optics on the market.

  • @williamflowers9435
    @williamflowers94358 ай бұрын

    If swapping your batteries once a year is too much responsibility, you’ve got bigger problems than your red dot going out

  • @overlordisgoogle8431

    @overlordisgoogle8431

    8 ай бұрын

    Hahaha right

  • @marcusborderlands6177

    @marcusborderlands6177

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Future-Preps35 only issue with vortex is their dots are GARBAGE, their pulse brightness control does a lot ot destroy battery life, and causes weird artifacts at lower brightness settings when moving

  • @jshudd
    @jshudd8 ай бұрын

    I’ve never had a problem with the auto brightness settings on my Holosuns. Yes a good setting for inside is a little dim when moving outside and a little bright when moving from outside to inside but a quick single click of the plus or minus buttons fixes it and all transitions from brighter or lower light adjust fine. In a SHTF situation where it is set to one of the other it’s not too bad either way that I can’t use the optic in an emergency without having to adjust first. If a spare minute pops up I can click a button with my left hand. I don’t really plan on using the solar failsafe but the auto brightness is my favorite feature and I have several models of Holosuns for my stuff

  • @SnapD24
    @SnapD248 ай бұрын

    I'm just excited that there's a PDP involved.

  • @englematic
    @englematic8 ай бұрын

    I picked up one of these for use as an offset on my competition rifle. Works well for that role. Gets plenty of sunlight coming out for regular matches and practicing on the range.

  • @3oneThrid
    @3oneThrid8 ай бұрын

    I love them, the best part about them to me is automatic adjustment to current lighting. To each their own 🤘🏻

  • @shaggnar2014
    @shaggnar20148 ай бұрын

    I will say as for the automatic modes not working I've actually been pretty happy with my original SCS for the MOS cut. Usually you have to use the button on the side to increase the brightness if you're using a white light, but the forward sensor does seem to work every single time. I've had it for over a year and it's just kinda worked

  • @joshuabracke5775

    @joshuabracke5775

    8 ай бұрын

    I've had a similar experience. A g19mos with the SCS and a TLR7A is a sleeper build, very effective and comfortable to carry all day.

  • @hestongraves3274

    @hestongraves3274

    8 ай бұрын

    @@joshuabracke5775I run the same. Great setup

  • @sealove79able
    @sealove79able8 ай бұрын

    a great very interesting video Mr.Hop.Have a good one.

  • @Asdf-wf6en
    @Asdf-wf6en8 ай бұрын

    You should make a video that talks about AR buffers and various different things and whether they're snake oil, like Geissele's braided springs, flatwire springs, KAK's kspec buffers, JP silent capture buffers, etc.

  • @McJiver
    @McJiver8 ай бұрын

    Im diggin that round hand gaurd.

  • @diet_dr.demoncore
    @diet_dr.demoncore8 ай бұрын

    The manual mode seems like a step in the right direction but the solar tech still has a little way to go before it really hits it's stride. I'm interested to see how this is iterated on in the coming years

  • @cokedaz
    @cokedaz8 ай бұрын

    I have a Holosun HS403C. You get the option of the 5 years battery life constant on which is the same as used like a normal Aimpoint T1, but if the battery dies, or something goes wrong like I have seen in other red dots such as battery compartments coming loose and losing complete connection (both on Sig Romeo and Vortex optics) this has a backup. It may not be perfect but even in a dark room there is still a dot I can see, so you aren't without any sighting whatsoever. I only use it to target shoot in a dark range with a bright target and I have no issues whatsoever seeing the dot. It just means if something goes wrong and it dies or the connection points fail, there will be still some form of dot there. I have never had an issue for the last 6 and a half years left on since I got it. I like this feature a lot. But not all Holosun dots with a solar panel even work with no battery like the HE507C.

  • @f38stingray
    @f38stingray8 ай бұрын

    A minimum brightness setting for auto adjust would be helpful. For me, running a setting or two too bright would be suboptimal but not catastrophic. Having it too dim prevents me using the optic at all. Automatic extra brightness on really bright days actually would be useful.

  • @warbuzzard7167
    @warbuzzard71678 ай бұрын

    Jeeze, Hop, gettin’ enough smoke back out of that bolt, buddy? That suppressor is really feeding back the gas, isn’t it?

  • @bradyh699
    @bradyh6998 ай бұрын

    “Throw it against a boulder” hahaha love it!

  • @shepdog_alpha
    @shepdog_alpha8 ай бұрын

    Was just looking at this red dot and thought, I wonder if it would fit on a handgun, and here is Hop so I don’t have too.😅

  • @KD-lb9bg
    @KD-lb9bg8 ай бұрын

    Good breakdown, thanks.

  • @heldaneurbanus5135
    @heldaneurbanus51358 ай бұрын

    Very informative and useful!

  • @mikezeller7967
    @mikezeller79677 ай бұрын

    Im currently running a holosun SCS on a gen 5 34 mos and I like it. its held up well so far.

  • @noHandle1776
    @noHandle17768 ай бұрын

    The holosun SCS on my Glock has been flawless for a year now. I think it works well because it leans on the top bright side. Being a pistol dot I think this is ok. It’s always bright enough. Even in pitch black flashing my x300. For a rifle, I want more cont for sure

  • @sullimd

    @sullimd

    8 ай бұрын

    Mines been flawless too, and I was VERY hesitant before buying it. I didn’t like solar only and definitely didn’t like the lack of brightness control. BUT, it’s been incredible and I’ve had zero issue with auto brightness. It does a great job.

  • @zhongligaming3734
    @zhongligaming37348 ай бұрын

    I like that your cat features in your footage more often than not :)

  • @TheMsdos25
    @TheMsdos258 ай бұрын

    I've seen so many swollen laptop/iPhone batteries that I refuse to trust a proprietary, non-replaceable Li-Po battery on accessories like this. Even if you keep the dot powered off the internal battery still has a limited shelf life.

  • @sparky790

    @sparky790

    8 ай бұрын

    It doesn’t have a Li-Po/Li-ion battery, it uses a super capacitor which are usually rated for millions of charge cycles. These don’t swell up in heat or lose capacity after 300-500 cycles like a typical Li-Po battery does.

  • @TheMsdos25

    @TheMsdos25

    8 ай бұрын

    @@sparky790 Where are you getting that info from? I know the 510 and AEMS have capacitors, but the product listing for the SCS and SCRS both describe it as a rechargeable _battery_ , not a capacitor. Considering that these two optics have rated runtimes of 20,000 and 50,000 hour respectively (vs the dozens of hours on Holosun's other capacitor backup models) I find your claim hard to believe. FWIW Holosun hasn't exactly been forthcoming with the actual specs of their internal batteries. Midways lists the ML1220 battery for both optics, but IDK if it's accurate.

  • @lucastonoli3256

    @lucastonoli3256

    8 ай бұрын

    @@sparky790 You're wrong.

  • @sparky790

    @sparky790

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@TheMsdos25 Yeah, you're correct. I watched some videos directly from holosun and they referred to a "lithium" battery in there. I'm not sure where I got that impression from, I thought back in 2020 when they teased the pre-production models they said they were capacitors but maybe they bailed on that idea because the runtime just wasn't there. I figured holosun used their Chinese space magic to bump the runtimes up to 20k hours since the first prototype lol

  • @jake9705
    @jake97058 ай бұрын

    In the USA, you can often legally steal someone else's patented design by simply adding a unique feature to the stolen design. (Note: *your* unique feature doesn't necessarily have to add value, it just has to be unique.) That's why I've assumed these unique solar features don't work all that great. The solar panel addition to red dot sights is a legal loophole which allows manufacturers to legally steal whole- or partially patented-designs from other manufacturers.

  • @roflchopter11

    @roflchopter11

    8 ай бұрын

    The idea that these patents were even issued is laughable. Based on the number of people independently inventing forward facing narrow field of view light sensors, this feature is definitely "obvious to someone skilled in the art"

  • @darknature79
    @darknature798 ай бұрын

    The scs model on my glockenspiel works great with a super cap and stayed charged for several months in the safe and was still bright.

  • @kirklowe5608
    @kirklowe56088 ай бұрын

    Super Capacitors often last only a few years. They are notorious for only lasting 3 years in many vehicle dashcams.

  • @emilewicz14
    @emilewicz148 ай бұрын

    In sunglasses you look like a young Andrew Eldritch from the Sisters of Mercy.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    I get that a lot

  • @ColonelEagle
    @ColonelEagle8 ай бұрын

    Socko has a collar now? Cute.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    It's just a flea collar, I should get him something more dignified.

  • @jiml4253
    @jiml42536 ай бұрын

    I've been using a SCS on my VP9 for idk 8-9 months and I love it. I haven't had any issues, always a good brightness.

  • @MartyBugg
    @MartyBugg8 ай бұрын

    Ive picked up two Sig compatible SCS. Have one on P229 Legion and one on AXG Legion. They stay in a safe between use and so far these are my fav option. For EDC I have a couple of EPS Carry on X-Macros. Im a big fan of closed emitter for carry, no lint build up. Im becomming a huge fan of Holosun optics after being pretty disappointed with Vortex and Sig Romeos for pistols. Only time will tell if they hold up long term. I'm hopeful but willing to upgrade as better things develop.

  • @alexxu3004
    @alexxu30048 ай бұрын

    8:30, probably the sight being heavier than pistol sight made it not ideal to be reciprocating with the slide

  • @NotDave_x
    @NotDave_x8 ай бұрын

    Been waiting for this one!

  • @GldenRetriever
    @GldenRetriever8 ай бұрын

    I like the override brightness on the SCS pistol models. Works great with an OKW. Of course you'll want to treat it like an eotech lol.

  • @cmtptr
    @cmtptr8 ай бұрын

    Holosun will never abandon PV for the same reason Glock will never make an all-metal magazine: it's burned into their brand.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    Same with Beretta and the 92 :)

  • @ElTejon47901
    @ElTejon479018 ай бұрын

    We must get Hop a gig with Leupold out there in Hippyland and have him design optics which he must review. An endless Mobius loop of suffering.

  • @Falconguygaming

    @Falconguygaming

    8 ай бұрын

    But then Leupold might make a scope that doesn't have an Achilles heel

  • @ElTejon47901

    @ElTejon47901

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Falconguygaming 1. Unpossible. 2. If Leupold did that, it would be discontinued in 10 days.

  • @midwestginger
    @midwestginger8 ай бұрын

    Love the little dig at lead and steel lol

  • @truthbetold7718
    @truthbetold77188 ай бұрын

    I put one of these on my 1301. Love it.

  • @dtroy15
    @dtroy158 ай бұрын

    Maybe holosun haven't got this nailed yet, but i don't see any reason why this COULDN'T work. I have a casio pro-trek watch I bought eight years ago which is charged by solar. It has automatic LED illumination when a wrist is turned and it's sufficiently dark, sort of like "shake awake". It has much smaller photocells than most sights, proudces much more light, and has lasted a very long time. I suspect sights will eventually figure out solar. The tech exists, it just hasn't been well imolemented yet.

  • @S1deshowRob
    @S1deshowRob8 ай бұрын

    Nice cat cameo, smashed that like button

  • @MourningConstitution
    @MourningConstitution8 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @rashiro
    @rashiro8 ай бұрын

    The SCS handgun optic has been working very well, and the forward facing sensor does work as intended when you turn on a weapon light, or are looking from a dark room to a bright background.

  • @northpointaxe6167
    @northpointaxe61678 ай бұрын

    How about a nuclear rod and steam generator to power the red dot for 95,000 years? A little heavy sure, but hey just get stronger.

  • @f308gtb1977
    @f308gtb19778 ай бұрын

    Good stuff Hop.💪🏻

  • @Chinny208
    @Chinny2088 ай бұрын

    Rocking one of these as a 35° offset to my 1-8. Working within acceptable parameters and adds little weight, though it hasn't taken any hard impacts yet so I can't speak to durability.

  • @stephenurban9880
    @stephenurban98808 ай бұрын

    If the optic is on a "bag gun" then there is no reason to leave the optic on in the bag. Simply turn it on as you pull the gun out of the bag.

  • @protectpersevere2030
    @protectpersevere20308 ай бұрын

    Great video once again hoplopflophile

  • @kellscorner1130
    @kellscorner11308 ай бұрын

    I got a 510 for my AR and frankly it was okay. Used it the whole first day with no battery inside because I'm dumb, but I see the apeal in having such optics for a potential SHTF deal in which batteries suddenly become scarce. Ultimately though I fell back to basics and just put an old school ACOG on it.

  • @kursantstrzelecki2958

    @kursantstrzelecki2958

    8 ай бұрын

    "batteries suddenly become scarce" - My line of thinking is that ammunition will become scarce way before I will run out of (button) my battery and the spare one I'm carrying. Of course, there are always iron sights.

  • @KarlDRG
    @KarlDRG6 ай бұрын

    It would be interesting for Eotech to make a separate battery pack that you can attach to your sight, then have some curved solar panels attached to the fore end, acting as railguards, but can also charge the sight. also, it would be nice for the automatic modes to have an option to increase the average brightness.

  • @donnienall626
    @donnienall6268 ай бұрын

    the first time I took my 501c out I thought it was broke because there was no dot. I gave up after awhile and when I got back home indoors I could see it again, the auto brightness was on and since I was in the woods I couldn't see the damn dot at all.

  • @joker747A
    @joker747A8 ай бұрын

    comrade chairman say: “glass etching destroyer EMP in development, Mr Hop” 🤣

  • @codybasile9128
    @codybasile91288 ай бұрын

    I bought a 509tx2 to mount on an AK for the light weight and low height over bore. The glass quality on mine was not good enough for a rifle. Maybe for a subgun and for sure a pistol. I swapped it for an SCRS at the cost of another ounce and far prefer the SCRS on a rifle. The glass is good and can be magnified where the 509 made everything fuzzy. I didn't get it for the ability to autoadjust brightness since I also found it to be crap too but for less than 300 dollars it is a solid red dot if you're trying to stay weight conscious. Time will tell how my battery holds up with just to sun to keep it going. it is also nicely low profile with the recessed turrets and thick housing. I think since it is overall shorter than an aimpoint style dot it blocks your vision less too (shoot with both eyes open anyway).

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    I'm surprised you found the SCRS much better if at all than the 509tX2, if you're absolutely positive it was an X2. They're both definitely blue and warpy like a pistol sight, but a lot better than the old gens.

  • @turbo280zzz
    @turbo280zzz8 ай бұрын

    Note about the SCS pistol optics: according to the manual, what i can find on the internet, and messing with one at my lgs, while they have a manual override mode that maxes out the brightness for 30min, it doesnt actually have manual brightness adjustment beyond that. If anyone knows of a secret menu or something that allows a manual adjust i wanna know cause i was considering this sight, but no manual adjustment=useless to me

  • @USAisbestcountry1776
    @USAisbestcountry17768 ай бұрын

    could hardly see the optic through that gas cloud coming out the ALG upper... see you in the next mesothelioma commercial

  • @stanleyhall6102
    @stanleyhall61028 ай бұрын

    Wondering about this optic was thinking of putting on a m85 but need a low mount to go on duct cover and wondering if it will mount in short configuration. 🙏

  • @g0ddamnitjeremy
    @g0ddamnitjeremy8 ай бұрын

    Hop out here asking the questions that matter.

  • @AZOVRLND
    @AZOVRLND8 ай бұрын

    I’m just waiting till primary arms, with all of their voodoo, to come out with a prism pistol optic. Gotta love astigmatism.

  • @baileylouque6579
    @baileylouque65798 ай бұрын

    Makes a great secondary dot to work with a scope.

  • @Slai47
    @Slai478 ай бұрын

    I've been surprised with how the SCS mos has been for me with lightning conditions but yeah, it has its limits.

  • @wendigotactical9892
    @wendigotactical98928 ай бұрын

    I wish someone could come up with a prism handgun sight, that would be super nifty.

  • @domenik8339

    @domenik8339

    8 ай бұрын

    I would absolutely be up for it as well, as long as they could keep the size real small. Not sure if it's possible due to a narrow eye relief though. At this point PA is making black magic voodoo shit so if anyone could pull it off, it'd be them.

  • @hambone950

    @hambone950

    8 ай бұрын

    wouldnt that fck with your irons tho?

  • @ironwolf1799
    @ironwolf17998 ай бұрын

    Would love to see how you mount your pouch to your sheathes

  • @jessesando8582
    @jessesando85828 ай бұрын

    I'm still running and old 507C (original, not X2) which was equipped with the solar charging internal and non servicable battery. I have yet to have it die on me entirely, and it sits in a drawer or in a safe 90% of the time. When I carry it, I power it back on and it runs all day, only gets direct light occasionally and it is enough to power it for a couple days. Now it has the auto adjust or static adjustment, both work decently well but I use static. Personally, I do like this feature on my pistol dot because I know it will never be completely dead at any given time. It hasn't happened to me on a regular battery either, but it's a neat feature I suppose.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    Do you mean the old version with the bottom mounted battery?

  • @jessesando8582

    @jessesando8582

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Hoplopfheil nope, it's a sealed battery. no battery tray on the side and underneath is a sealed unit. Didn't realize it until after I got it home and out of the box, not realizing it wasn't an X2

  • @jessesando8582

    @jessesando8582

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Hoplopfheil I don't know if it's maybe an older version of what they later termed the SCS technology, but it is definitely solely-solar powered. I can't find any online for sale or any info on it, on top of that i didn't get the factory box with it so I don't have documentation or manuals to explain it. I'll post the serial# later on this thread, maybe you can find something about it. Unless I'm a total idiot and it is serviceable, but it's not like I'm used to seeing with under mounted batteries. Edit: Serial # HS507C880027679

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    8 ай бұрын

    @jessesando8582 You can test the solar power only by by removing the battery cell and giving the solar a full charge. Then track how many months it lasts while in the drawer. The 400 series stay on forever while the 500 series use shake awake and will auto shut off.

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    @@jessesando8582 The older 407/507 before the introduction of the battery tray have a bottom mounted CR2032 battery. They came with a tool to help unscrew the battery compartment but you should be able to do it w/o that.

  • @roflchopter11
    @roflchopter118 ай бұрын

    2:00. Sig recently patented something like this. I wonder if they patented the only feasible way to have a narrow enough FOV to be useful.

  • @number1squib488
    @number1squib4888 ай бұрын

    I’m a simple man. I let the Hopster do the thinking for me. Thinking gives you wrinkles.

  • @ryewaldman2214
    @ryewaldman22148 ай бұрын

    I've got some of the solar powered 403c on a 9mm and 22lr carbine that i use for small game hunting and i really like the auto-brightness feature of the sight. it works for the changing light conditions throughout the day and with different cloud conditions. Here, the key is that for things like rabbits, racoon, coyote, etc, they are smaller and usually difficult to distinguish against the local vegetation, so having the dot too bight causes washout that obstructs a clear view of the target. Here, the auto-brightness setting is actually just about right for having the right contrast between dot and target. Bonus: even if the battery is dead, solar still gives me a dot during hunting hours. I'm not expecting you to change your mind, i just wanted to point out that there are different use cases where traditional solar is not "worthless" but actually a plus. I'm using this on hunting gear, so there is no way i'm putting a light on these, or hanging extra "backup" irons on these because weight needs to be a low as possible on this carry carbine. The solar panel is the 'backup'. Actually, it's more like the battery is the backup because the solar mode is the primary use mode. The SCS system is definitely an improvement in the right direction vs the older solar system.

  • @ericb.4358
    @ericb.43588 ай бұрын

    "... not as appealing as a standard red dot with TWO batteries." YEP! For my 9 mm PCC's AEMS sight I keep 2 2032 batteries stored in the MAGPUL pistol grip storage, along with assorted Allen wrenches and the HOLOSUN tool. So actually I've got 3 batteries. Belt & suspenders, ya know.

  • @amydoesart3724
    @amydoesart37246 ай бұрын

    When i readed "solar reddot" i thought it was like the first """reddots""", where they used ambient light to project the reticle

  • @dtheguy
    @dtheguy8 ай бұрын

    2:35 dope camera setup

  • @The_kookclub
    @The_kookclub8 ай бұрын

    One thing we know about hop. He hats batteries.

  • @jrharmon801
    @jrharmon8018 ай бұрын

    What comp are you running on the pdp sd pro and how has it performed?

  • @Broski__
    @Broski__4 ай бұрын

    I don't think it's a gimmick at all. That dot and the SCS are super tiny. I'd argue the whole batteryless thing is geared more towards slimming down the size of the optic rather than not having to worry about changing batteries. That part is just a bonus.

  • @CaffeineAndMylanta
    @CaffeineAndMylanta8 ай бұрын

    Take a shot every time Hop says “completely useless”

  • @jonathonloredo8026
    @jonathonloredo80268 ай бұрын

    Hi, I fitted an SCS320 to my Glock 19, and I gotta say being lazy and never having to swap batteries or worry about it really going out on me is pretty nice. It’s a nice rugged sight. Besides once you’ve got the optic setting you want the rubber buttons really don’t matter. Edit: But yes it was expensive, however with the auto dimming, green dot, brilliant fit, I mean I think it was worth every penny. Just fits a DPP footprint 2nd Edit: Seriously give the SCS320 a shot on something. It’s a green dot unlike most of the others and is much brighter in comparison. I even have an astigmatism and it works great for me.

  • @tinncan
    @tinncan8 ай бұрын

    I had to frame by frame 4:43 to see if that bee escaped... After getting the 507c-x2 I felt like a sucker for paying more for the circle thing I never used, then I bought the 407c and feel like a sucker for paying more for the solar crap I never use... Now I need to find some non counterfeit batteries on Amazon...

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    Gotta get the PSA special: the HS407A3. No solar, 3 MOA dot.

  • @Steelcity77
    @Steelcity778 ай бұрын

    Having a solar only red dot is no bueno, but as a backup to the battery im cool with. I love my 510c, it's never let me down.

  • @jason200912

    @jason200912

    8 ай бұрын

    Estonia does it. So does forgotten weapons inrange.

  • @cboyajian79
    @cboyajian798 ай бұрын

    Can you do a video on mount height choice for red dots with and without magnifiers?

  • @GiacomoCalabrese
    @GiacomoCalabrese4 ай бұрын

    Good to know

  • @paulis7319
    @paulis73198 ай бұрын

    Auto-brightness on any device has been woefully shitty since it was first developed. If I'm not going to use it on my phone, I'm definitely not going to use it on weapon that I need to trust my life with.

  • @TacticalAccountants
    @TacticalAccountants8 ай бұрын

    A fellow man of culture/PDP enjoyer. Is that a Jarvis comp?

  • @Hoplopfheil

    @Hoplopfheil

    8 ай бұрын

    PMM JTTC comp

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