Thanks for watching! If you're interested in any of the heatsinks or the WD black, links in the description :)

@MountKash1

3 жыл бұрын

Hey there. If you can, you should do this test with the WD Black SN850. It's super fast and gets super hot. It's recommended by many that you absolutely use a heatsink with it. Maybe you'll see better results on that SSD where those heatsinks you have would be much more useful

@vladimirljubopytnov5193

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, I'm just investigating this topic and the sources are scarce. I have not come to a conclusion yet. One point I disagree with is, that ssd is idling most of the time. I think that there is a lot of writing activity all the time. Even when youre doing nothing, there is a/ background processes doing some small writes all the time and b/ cleanup/TRIM algorithms of the drive itself - including page erases, running in background. Moreover, I do not see a scenario, where the controller actually cools the NAND. At least with my 970pro. Cold storage is relevant for when the system is off, that is *usually* not a problem. From this perspective, the sabrent heatpipes make a lot of sense... the controller heats up the NAND quickly, then keeping some of an equilibrium/compromise at ~50C. The thing is... 970pro gets the controller really toasty at 100C when left uncooled with benchmark loads, so the question is how fast would the heatpipes deal with this king of thermal load and if it is not too much for the NAND. So if you want to throroughly investigate, you can do tests from cold/room temperature with individual/common heatsink. Though the more i look into this, the less I believe there's a silver bullet...

@gundamsdm

3 жыл бұрын

Do you plan on comparing any of those active heat sinks with a fan?

@DidarAmini

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. thanks for the great tutorial. in my special case, my NVME should work at full capacity 24/7 reading/writing. what do you think about it?

@vladimirljubopytnov5193

3 жыл бұрын

@@DidarAmini that it wont last long. Check your TBW.. chia? :)

Thanks for your thoughtful analysis, honesty and actually talking to normal people and users. You earned another subscriber. I ordered the 1tb wd black, and I panicked after seeing too many reviews of overheating, clearly my kind of use is such as the one you showed and now I feel good about it. Thank you!

It is the first time that I see you and the explanation of every detail by detail is excellent and easy to understand ... we hope to continue growing.

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the encouragement. Cheers!

VERY very interesting and informative. I like the way you approached this, and accepted the ability to learn something new. Making mistakes is a normal part of the process - it's the integrity to lay out your own learning process, that made this as informative as it was. I'm impressed. I don't care how smart you are - I care about how honest you are. Will keep watching.

Heatsink should cover (and cool) both controller and the Flash! This is correct that in idle mode the heatsink may heat the Flash by 3-5C, but in the lower Temp range. However, in operational mode, it will help to reduce the heat from the Flash by 25-35C on the higher range of the Temp.!

Dude, this was surprisingly in depth and really covered the technicalities of this in ways I never expected. This is legit. I just got a Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus that seems to have heat issues. And even bought that huge heat sink. I really feel like I learned a lot about cooling the controller, not the NAND. Would love to see a tested solution for that. Thanks for all the legitimately solid info! Subbed!!!

@eDrumsInANutshell

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I just installed a SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 and copied 500 GB to it, and is was REALLY hot. It felt hot. Could have been 65°C, I dont know. And I was like... STOP, I need a heatsink. But this was very interessting, having parts that allow different temperatures. Aha. Hm. So, one schon grab small GPU RAM heatsinks and stick it to the controller. Nice! Thank you! So, I will check the temperature after this pause and then continue the copy process.

@CabrioDriving

10 ай бұрын

@@eDrumsInANutshelldo you have an update?

Commenting for the algorithm, great, concise, and informative video. Much appreciated

These benchmarks were super helpful!! Thank you so much!!

This has got to be the most crisp camera quality I've ever seen.🔥👌

that WD SN750 drive also has a version that comes with a heatsink BUT it’s about $20 more expensive….just thought I’d throw that in. When you’re selectively adding thermal pads (just on the controller) make sure the heatsink doesn't rock and short something out. Great video!

i want to thank you for this awesome video. Very informative and well done! I came here because I am setting up my brand new pc with 2 M.2 2280 NVME's. I realized the motherboard did not have a second heat sink, so I figured I would watch some videos on if it needs it or not. Since I have yet to use it yet but this is my theory is this and it could extremely wrong. I think the main NVME should have a heat sink and the backup NVME should not have one. Time will tell I suppose. Keep up the great work!

What a great review (and test), and so helpful! Thanks!

Solid channel man. I really like your style of editing and the general vibe of the channel. Very straight forward, good lighting, good music, and you have a nice voice. Keep it up.

Thank you very much for your analysis. Very useful, instructive and important.

A huge help to me! Thanks. Great effort.

Great vid! Very educational and helped me a bunch.

Very very informative! Thank you so much for taking the time to do it. :P

Useful video bro, Many thanks for the digging and efforts. I had Samsung Magician installed to keep observing the temp of the Samsung 870 NVMe SSD and the idle temp is always around 42 to 45c max. and while multi-tasking or stressing the laptop, it reaches 61 to 65c but that is only for around 15min and then back to 50c or less. all without a heatsink and of course that's at summer days, during winter, these temps are even lower. I will try using a laptop cooler that i have it laying around, it may be useful cooling the whole system at summer days.

@myentertainment55

2 жыл бұрын

I have samsund 970 evo ssd and samsung magician too, it shows only temp of ssd, it doesn't show controller temp, use aida64 or something like that to monitor that. if your ssd 40 your controller must be 50-60, if your ssd 60 your controller must be 70-80 ( according to experience with my ssd).

Interesting video, ive been watching your content for a while, i recently got a mp33 team group nvme, no heatsink and tbh after seeing this video i think I don't need to worry about it.

Ahh yes, My Little Pony and GTA 5. If only this were a more widespread form of benchmarking.

@deardoue69

2 жыл бұрын

Dissapointing

@ryan3.082

Жыл бұрын

AHHAHAH

@BREEZYM6015

Жыл бұрын

I once benchmarked a "Barney Hide N Seek" game. 😂

thank you for your effort to clearing this topic :)

I live in a tropical country with ambient temps at summer reaching 33 C. Before attaching a heatsink to my Lexar NM610 500GB SSD (inside an Acer laptop), the controller temp would reach 77 C when writing big files, which throttled down the write speed significantly. After putting on a simple copper heatsink with thermal pad, the max temp never went beyond 65 C under any condition. The heatsink was a mere 1mm thick to make sure it fits in the laptop.

@briansotobassist

8 ай бұрын

That's happened to me. So when I go for nvme in the desktop I just bought a normal heatsink with RGB because I wanted RGB. Still if a simple sheet of copper do the trick then a more bigger heatsink also helps. Maybe aluminum not is the best vs copper but there's more material. Also in desktop having a lot of fans flowing air in the motherboard and heatsinks helps a lot.

good video, good camera, good microphone, really liked it. It really seems like it was all for nothing, but at least you educated us. and you did a nice job at that

Thank you sir. I am very happy that I have watched your video before hitting the purchase button on Amazon. I have been using two NVMe on my PC but there is no problem.

You need more subscribers. Good stuff. Thnx

Excellent video and analysis.

Thanks! Nice research, helped me to restrain from buying a heatsink)

5:25 this is really important for people who don't use their drives a lot.

Thanks! Funny - I was just thinking about this very question! Did you notice if the thermal pads were of different thicknesses for the controller vs. the storage? I know the Samsung drives have a signficant difference between the two.

Just added a heatsink to M.2 in one of my computers and noticed drop from 58c to 54c. While I am waiting for a heat sync for my other PC I placed a 40mm fan on top of GPU and pointed it at M.2 drive and temp dropped from 68c to 56c. I think they definitely need heatsinks. This is under normal operation in well ventilated cases with lots of airflow and not a stress test at 28c ambient temp.

@teemuvesala9575

Жыл бұрын

No, they don't. Big data centers that use NVME drives don't have any heatsinks on them either, and this is well out of any consumers' budget stuff. Real high end data center NVMEs don't use heatsinks, so why should you? Its just stupid.

Thanks for the information it really helps a lot

Wow, great info! I'll try myself to see how it reacts without heatsinks. Thaks!

The video you showed - passive heatsinks using metal conduction. Do you have another evaluation, this time with active heatsinks (i.e. fans like the the iStorm)?

Thanks for the info, very interesting!

I have an Sabrent SSD which the controller fails when it starts overheating (If i have a heatsink and a fan constantly blowing on it will remain accessible) From that experience I'm now going to install a heatsink for the SSD. In terms of work where i work with Dell systems, enterprise laptop's NVME SSDs now all have heat spreader. (They used to be without) I'm going to assume it lowers failure rates with the heat spreader otherwise it doesn't make sense for Dell increase the production costs.

Thanks for the testing 👍

Good tests, well said 👍🍻 Cool controller + warm nand Is the way 💯

Great content and well thought out, thank you. The MTE article is a good read as well. I am not going to use a hs on my second nvme and mine is not right under gpu and is indeed in path of fan air.

you deserve more subs, great vid

Really good video and reasearch!

These can go both ways! I got a cheap aluminum heatsink off Amazon mainly because it matched the matte silver heatsinks on my motherboard and my nvme ends up upside down due to which way the port is facing. I just wanted to cover it up, OCD. My temps ended up 5c hotter! I am guessing it is due to the garbage thermal pads that they tend to include with these things. It was as if it was holding more heat in than dissipating it. I did end up getting a cooler that performs insanely well! I have the Mushkin Redline Vortex Gen 4 x4 NVME which runs HOT and does not come with a heatsink really, just a copper shim sticker with "nano carbon graphene" lmao. Whatever it is it don't do shit because the thing runs up to 71c and the max operating temp is 70c. I put this Icy Box M.2 cooler on it, the sickest cooler I have ever seen. It has a nice sized heatsink w/ a 30mm 4pin pwm fan attached to a swiveling copper heat pipe so you can adjust its position. Dropped my temps a whopping 19c I shit you not! Keep in mind though, I did NOT use the included thermal pads as they looked like the same exact ones I got with the last heatsink (garbage). I used Cooler Masters new 13.3wmk purple pads and they are awesome! I went with 0.5mm because my SSD is double sided and the thinner the pad the better. It is hard to explain but it can be faced either way and I faced it so that it would cool the controller and not so much the nand.

Try with a air CPU cooler rather than liquid. It might be able to keep more airflow over the drive (depending on orientation and type of heatsink), which could potentially have a great effect.

@TechIlliterate

Жыл бұрын

Possibly. I'll need to buy a popular one and give it a shot at some point.

@moonbind

Жыл бұрын

i found some old aluminum cpu coolers with large fins, and i'm gonna try that if i can mount those large blocks over my nvme drive in a pci-e adapter; gonna use thermal paste and fasten with cable ties, perhaps; later, if this contraption holds together, it is possible to attach a ventilator to that cpu cooler chunk of aluminum easily;

Well put together information.

Small but underrated channel

Good video; but what is your final recommendation for the NAN and CONTROLLER heat-sink?

Subscribeed !! For the sake of effort you put in !!

Would like to know if the “no HS” was run with or without the stock sticker, because that is meant to be a heat spreader.

very good explaination. love it. thanks m8.

so wait. if your doing about 1/2 writes and 1/2 reads.. then you should cool the nand and then controller?

dude thats an great video! Tks!

What do you think of the idea of cutting the heatsink with a metal saw, leaving a 2-3mm gap between the parts, one part on the controller IC, and the other(s) for the NAND? So the heat from the controller will not be transferred to the NAND.

Idle states - exactly how does this slight increase in temperature (due to heat distribution from these sinks) damage one's data? There certainly must be a window of heat levels that is considered "safe" for these drives and in particular, idle states. Which chips benefit from heat sinks - interesting point made on your part. Perhaps a heatsink that is really two distinct physical sinks in one is needed for the two identified types of chips reference in your video.

Hey, great informative video! What should I do with the heat spreader sticker that comes on almost all M.2 drives? I guess you either remove it completely and apply the heatsink tape on only the controller, or you cut out the part where the controller is and replace it with the heatsink tape so that the original tape is still on the NAND(if that is even possible). What would be the ideal way to do it?

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

Ideally yes. I believe you should only have the head sink on the controller.

Great analysis, bravo!!!!!

I could come here as video for sleep everything is so calm (It's a good thing)

Excellent video! thank you

Thank you, that's very interesting!

So here's a follow-up question to this. I'm starting my new build shortly and I'll be using 3 m.2s (2x2TB 990 Pro in raid 0, 1x1TB 990 Pro) and I have some Thermalright 0.5mm thermal pads, as well as some 1mm to cut and replace the stock stuff from my mobo. Since the controller sits a tad higher than the NAND on each drive I'll be using, would you still recommend to only cover the controller, or is it worth trying to lightly cover the NAND with the thinner pads? ROG X670e-Extreme with included heat sink plates. TIA!

The Heatsink, at IDLE increase a few 2 or 5 °C which is not that much... otherwise at FULL LOAD drops 20 or 30 °C, if we talk about a "Final Balance" it is justified for me

Also. What if you cut half of the thermal pad on the nand section ? 🤔

re: 11:37, isn't that the one where you put the bands on, is it safe to assume that the controller is higher than the nand?

Sooo if I use my pc for working on large data sets (usually in CSV) and for a digital audio studio which has a massive library of sample sounds, is it recommended that I do use a heat sink?

I have a Samsung 990 PRO with Handshake, so I'm wondering if you know which external case would be suitable for it.... THANKS !!!!!

I got a heatsink with a small fan on it, I wonder what a difference that makes?

Thank you, very good content.

is it normal if my ssd idle on 45C and 50-52 when do gaming ? (samsung 980 nvme)

hehe this my second time watching one of your vids and I like your sponsor

Hi, I have Asus TUF X570 with 2x RTX 2080ti, I would like to put new SSD and put heatsink on it but I am not sure how much space do I have. Except measure that somehow, do you have any tips how to pick or for what kind of information look for? Thanks. Now I am thinking as I watch your video, I should have that original heatsink as well. I though it's just a some cool cover or something. :D

Can you not cut up a regular heatsink in separate pieces, so they dont interconnect and spread the heat to nand?

cool the controller , how about dram? and does this theory cooling controller only applies to gen 4 ssd too?

R u saying wd sn580 stock thermal pad do not touch all components for a reason?

Literally one of the best heatsink reviews on KZread. I loved the quality! I subscribed from two accounts because you need more followers for the quality you make! P. S. What's your camera setup? Video quality is amazing, the details of your eyes and beard can be seen superb in 1080p (no homo).

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the support I really appreciate it! I'm using a Pansonic S5 mirrorless camera. No expert with it. Still learning how to use it properly.

@personaldronerepair6141

3 жыл бұрын

Well Said !! I wish this guy would teach a class on how to review and test computer tech! Not kissn ass. This Is How It Is Done !! Subbed !! Belled !! Thank You !!

@forhadrh

3 жыл бұрын

That beard part though 😆😆

So, would it be better if someone cut the thermal pad and used it only at the spot where the controller makes contact with the cooler?

Huge bro, congrats.

Won't your airflow in pc affect temp ?

Just courious, I want to know what you thinking. How about using ic heatsink for every chip instead of using 1 block heatsink for everything.. that will help (maybe a little) with heat without transferring to another chip.

Love my sabrent heatsink. Cut my Temps by 30°c when working my drives hard doing large data copy on my GEN 4 drives (7000MB/s). I've been using it for years without any issues at all

Nice content straight to the point. I have a rog strix g15 with Ryzen 7 6800 RTX 3050 8 GB Ram and 512 ssd, I want to upgrade ram and ssd, should I buy ssd with or without heatsink?

thank you for the hard work, a thumbs up from me!

Thanks to this video, and a lot of reading, I'll be trimming the thermal tape from the NANDs, and only have the pad on the controller...

@warnacokelat

3 жыл бұрын

i did this and now my M.2 drive is much more cooler. I'm seeing 10c reduction after gaming session. Turns out before this the thermal pad didn't touch the controller because the NAND was a bit taller.

What temps did you measure ? Nand or Controller ?

Hi, I don't fully understand English so I didn't understand the conclusion well. Is it better to have a heatsink that only has the thermal pads on the top side than one that also has pads on the bottom?

If your ambient temps are high, having a heatsink is a must.

What if you attach a tiny fan in the heatsink? I once saved a Hard Disk with this.

So I need a small heatsink on the controller and no heatsink on NAND. But what about DRAM? Do I need a heatsink on DRAM?

Question: Was the labels left on or removed?

do you always remove the stock label/heatsink?

I believe you will gain traction with your channel, but it may take some time. All the best for you ❤

this video is soooo useful !!!!!

I'm curious about removing the sticker as you did in the very beginning. You're the first one I see doing that when applying a NVMe heatsink. I totally agree that it has to be removed, but do you have any reference/experience when it comes to comparing both ways?

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

I have seen a video by a well known tech tuber that went into this question. The drive manufacturer explained the sticker has thermal conduction built in, it's not just paper. Therefore you are best not to remove it, if you believe the company.

EY, i am thinking to upgrade into those PCIE 4x NVMe or m2, they come with heatsink included, my mobo has none.

Does the tape actually stick to the SSD or is it a thermal paste? I would hate to have to remove it someday and it's stuck to the SSD.

Very nice video, I do have to say though if one was to cut the pads off of the motherboard heatsink it would be very difficult to get replacement for at least my mobo. It appeared to be thicker that your normal pads. It has been a while since I installed one so I could be wrong but it would be something to keep in mind before hacking it up..

@MadPutz

2 жыл бұрын

Because sometimes prebuilts don't come with those extra mobo M.2 support pads, you can always remove pads entirely and fall back to buying one of those $10 standalone sandwich heatsinks, instead of using the mobo heatsink. Oftentimes they work better than the mobo heatsink too.

I like watching your videos during painting. I pretend like you're in the same room as me, talking gibberish and painting as well.... like old times :)

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember "watching" two broke girls when we painted.

@Arachn4

3 жыл бұрын

@@TechIlliterate Can you edit that and say we watched something more butch... like "Vikings" or "Brokeback Mountain" ?

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arachn4 Lmao I don't think you understood broke back mountain

Thanks for the video

Could use a multimeter that supports a temp probe to get your nand and processor(controller) temps

Belated reply. I was 'hunting' around for views about heatsinks and just watched your interesting programe. I was about to put a copper heatsink onto my mini PC M.2 ssd. I think I will now cut it to a small size to just put on the controller part. I'm only doing it because the computer tech people said my mini PC does not have a fan and it does seem to get hot.

@Tech Illiterate: Good video! Did you ever get some results for controller-only cooling?

@TechIlliterate

2 жыл бұрын

Still haven't gotten around to trying it unfortunately. I'd like to do another series of tests with the samsung 980 pro I have in there now.

I bought this 850 version with the heatsink and no my MB shroud won't fit on top. I'm about to take the heatsink off. I'm here for this!

Hi Nick, thank for you elaborate research. By the way I read in another forum that testing with infrared thermometer will yield the lower result compared to the ones from internal algorithm....... so im confused which one to trust.......

@TechIlliterate

3 жыл бұрын

As long as they are consistent with each other you could just calculate the differences if you would rather use the infrared thermometer. I suspect that the surface of the SSD is slightly cooler than what will be read on the internal sensor.