UPDATE: Epson have updated their policies regarding these printers since the making of this video, and now offer a service to replace the inkpads. epson.com/Support/wa00369

@erdi7772

8 ай бұрын

Well, it seems better than nothing. Some other brands offer so called "maintenance cartridges" and I cant decide which is much worse than the other as they put chips on those cartridges. After quite a while, you have to change these cartridges as a whole not just the pads because of the chip. You simply cannot drill and attach some pipes to your printer to let the waste ink goes out. Even if you do, you still have to deal with the chip, now, you have to buy a 3rd party cheaper chips to bypass it. They should have added a container just like ink tank they have already added so we can simply drain it away, but none of them are going to do this. They are just after our money. Finally, I suggest not using this service for anyone, they offer one time service only, and it seems like, if you get the same warning again, your printer will be garbage even if it still functions.

@Malainor

8 ай бұрын

There exists a duvios software paypal 10 bucks to reset them. Seems it works. So a official reset also exists nice to know, i just mailed epson to ask if there was a fix yet before buying 😂...ffs enabling north American customers to continue printing for a limited time..that mail was a good thing as im in Europe..

@hajjdawood

8 ай бұрын

@@erdi7772 Their higher end eco tanks have maintenance cartridges which are like $10-25 every like 30k-50k prints which is so negligible it shouldn't even matter.

@UltimatePerfection

8 ай бұрын

Almost bought one of these, then just few weeks before I was to buy it (was saving), the spongegate came up. Dodged a bullet here, now I'm happy with my Brother DCP-T420W which doesn't even seem to have an inkpad (not actually needed?) for almost a year. I have yet to run out of ink the printer came with, and I print often, full pages in color.

@erdi7772

8 ай бұрын

@@UltimatePerfection Unfortunately all inkjet printers have waste ink pad/container, your brother printer have that too. You can search on youtube, you'll find dozens of videos about it

Basically going from one scam to another. Well done, printer industry.

@deli5777

9 ай бұрын

they must have learned a lot from the cable industry, phone industry, food.. medical.. politics.. this world is screwed

@gadget2622

9 ай бұрын

No surprise, extracting maximum profit from consumers is a core tenet of capitalism.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

unfortunately, this seems to me the case.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

100%

@wakeupworkout7781

9 ай бұрын

@@gadget2622 🤡 whereas in socialism you can't even get a printer. creating a good product is what causes a company to succeed. this won't bode well for their sales.

As far as I can tell, the ink waste pad does not have a sensor. Instead, the system calculates how much ink has been dumped into the pad. When this counter runs out, it ascertains that the pad is full and throws a fit. It will not print again until this counter is reset through their proprietary software. I was a long-time Canon printer user and have spent a ton on replacement ink cartridges. In 2021, I replaced it with an Epson EcoTank (L3150). Two years later, I'm on my 2nd black ink bottle but still on the first batch of colored inks. It has a user-serviceable ink waste pad and I was told that the service center does the reseting for free, or at most, for a little money. Suffice to say, I've never stressed on printer ink since. We just print what we need and never worry about it.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

The printers have certainly improved since this video was made.

@orcamum

5 ай бұрын

I've got the same model as you so I'll grab the opportunity to ask you if you are satisfied with the colour prints of this model. Mine never gave me nice true colours. Always darker and not vibrant. Terrible photo prints too.

@orlypalomar

5 ай бұрын

@@orcamumIt's a general purpose multi-function printer, IMO. I have printed on photo papers a few times with it and it doesn't look the best.... but not the worst either. My previous Canon inkjet prints very nice pictures but I got rid of it because I'm spending a ton of money on ink cartridges. That said, my current Epson is not a deal-breaker as I bought it primarily for my kids to print school stuff. Me and my wife use it to copy/scan/print bills, IDs, documents, and whatnots. Photos, not so much.

@SnepShark

4 ай бұрын

@@bialywasaty9147 On older (around pre-2020 to pre-2022 depending on the manufacturer) models, yes. They'd throw the killswitch after a set number of cleaning cycles had been run, which was absolutely a scam. Canon's newer ones have user-replaceable sponges though, like the Epson model orlypalomar is talking about.

@danimotomaga17

Ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputershe bought his printer in 2021, way before your video came out 🤨.

After many days of researching printers I have come to the sad, but realistic conclusion that there are no good, cost effective, consumer friendly printers in existence. I just need to print documents so I will be buying the absolute cheapest printer I can and when the ink runs out...or the printer dies, I will just throw it out and buy another one. I am done with all this ink garbage that has been going on for decades now.

Ive just binged a load of 'inkjet vs laserjet' videos. This one is the best. Basically i found out why I don't need a printer. So much cheaper to outsource for my casual needs. Thankyou

@grayrabbit2211

9 ай бұрын

I've been doing IT work for 30+ years...and these days I can't recommend inkjets for anyone. High operating costs and poor reliability just aren't worth it. I've gone with B&W laser printers for just about everything. Last week I fired up a laser printer which hadn't been touched in 3+ years. The first page wasn't the best quality, but everything after that was fine. Try doing that with any inkjet printer. Then there's the cost. I'm getting about $0.0015/page for the laser printers using generic cartridges. It was $0.13/page for my inkjets.

@AB-vc7ox

9 ай бұрын

@@grayrabbit2211Sarcasm: nothing beats losing the only copy you have of something important to water/moisture damage. That was the last straw with inkjets for me, the only use I have for my HP All in Wonder why I bought it inkjet is as a scanner.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Lasers are definitely a better option in most cases.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

There are a lot of inkjets out there that are just scanners now!

What about the canon ones that allow you to remove the printer head and or remove the maintenance cartridges ?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

They are getting better, this could be a good option.

I don't understand how every single thing is getting better like laptops, phones, every other gadget and yet we still have to buy these crappy printers that are still just as awful as they were 2 decades ago!!

@secretjameser

Ай бұрын

Because people were still paying them so why change

I heard what you said about color laser printers but those have also consumables which are quite expensive: a drum, a toner , imaging kit , you name it. can you recommend an int tanker with easy home repair procedure.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

The Brother MFC-J5740DW is a great printer.

I bought an eco tank in 2019 and have only just topped up the inks with no sign of any problems (so far)I wonder if you could squeeze out the sponge in situ leaving it still connected to the sensor before it became saturated therefore alleviating the problem.

@deli5777

9 ай бұрын

The sponge is not "the problem", it's the shutdown mechanism that does get triggered. That is the conscious decision made by an unethical company therefore, "the problem"

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

This may work, I think in some cases the error codes are triggers by pages printed or in used, rather than by how much in is in the sponge.

thank you so much can provide the best options for printing quality and eco efficiency please

I have a cannon G-3260. Should I replace the maintenance box before it goes back? Would that help?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

I am not familiar with that specific model, probably best to check with a canon service center.

Thanks a lot. I am thoroughly convinced that the inkjet printer and ink market is definitely corrupt.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

100%

@celaeno919

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to Planet Earth where corruption is the rule not the exception in all major industries.

@pacs0508

5 ай бұрын

​@@celaeno919👏🏻👏🏻👏🏼✔️💯🔊

Hi from South Africa. We bought a Canon Pixma Ink Pot printer, which an out of colour ink. We ordered online, and now printer does not recognize it, sends message to purchase genuine ink only. This ink we got is generic, supposed to be compatible for our printer. Is there anything we can do with the ink, or do we need to look for the genuine product.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

I have not had much success with non genuine ink, probably best to get the genuine ink.

I wonder if the plastic used for the transfer tubes is the most resistant to gas permeability? I suspect not, requiring more flushes or services/replacements too.. With DECADES of printer woes going back to dot matrix days I have very low expectations from printer companies.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

May well be the issue, Brother have been using ink tubes for years, with none of these issues.

I have the Epson ET3600 and I’ve been happy with it. I don’t use it much I just print the bills and oddments. I turn off the printer when I’m not using it so it doesn’t go through a cleaning cycle. My friends don’t have printers and visit me to print and scan. Over a few years, I have just now topped up the tanks with last of the ink.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Good points, I didn't know about the ink sponge but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I like how you kept things in perspective even though it's a negative review. These printers may be low-end for a business but they are definitely a step up for the average home user. I've had an Epson ET-4760 for 3-4 years now and still have over half the ink left. My kids use it more than anybody, but when I do need it for something important it's ready to go and isn't going to run out of ink halfway through the job. That alone is worth a few extra bucks to me, letting my kids print as much as they want AND not running out of ink. We threw away 4 or 5 cheap non-functioning printers when we finally brought this tank home, that's $90-$100 a piece not counting the hundreds I've spent on cartridges. I suspect that even if one bought this for a startup business, it would more than pay for itself over the course of it's lifetime. If your business didn't make money with this thing then it's probably not the printer's fault, and if you did make money and still aren't happy with it, then it's time to invest in better equipment. That's my take on it, every tool has it's place and you should be using the right one for the job.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Glad it is working out for you, hopefully you don't experience any of the issue in the video.

Basicly they have a kill switch in them. I wonder if you can pull the spung out the back and just put your own spung there and it senses indefinitely that their spung is clean.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

I think this is possible on some models but not on others.

With regards to the sponges, even non tank printers have them and once triggered you have to have them replaced but you have to take them to a service center, assuming you have one in your town.

So glad I watched this, as I was thinking of getting an Epson Eco-Tank. I have a really old HP Deskjet that can use cartridges fast on big jobs, but I only use it occasionally. Usually I only need 1 - 5 sheets, but sometimes I need to print off an entire book of about 100 sheets. I resent the cost of the cartridges, but it looks like I am better sticking with it, given the infrequent use.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Epson have updated their policies regarding these printers since the making of this video, and now offer a service to replace the inkpads. epson.com/Support/wa00369 That being said, I still dont think these printers represent good value. My recommendation would be a brother inkjet for casual infrequent use.

@edoriyanto4979

8 ай бұрын

Nah. It works fine. I've been using my epson l210(that model is ancient) and it served me well all those years.

i have an epson wf2750 that i want to convert to sublimatioon and i can't find the cartridges for that, i did buy the ink thinking of getting a eco tank printer but after listening to you i have had second thoughtss soooo can you help me find the cartridges for sublimation? do you know if a cannon can be used to sublimate? i heard they don't get hot enough something to do with Pieta?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Hi, Sorry i'm not too familiar with sublimation printing.

if you buy it brand new and cut the reject used ink hose and fit it in a bottle outside of the printer before the first use, does it trigger the ''shut down'' mecanisim or it work perfectly ?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

I am not sure, I have seen a few videos on youtube of people doing that, but it would be dependant on the make and model. I have also notice manufacturers are starting to make the waste bottles and sponges replacable.

Do the HP Ink Tank printers have the same issue with wasting ink on a sponge? And becoming non-user-repairable when the sponge is filled?

@mhnoni

2 ай бұрын

I have an old 7-year-old brother who let you reset the counter. I'm interested to hear about the new brother and HP, I don't think I will change to something other than Brother, 7 years > 10K pages, and still works perfectly with refill $10 100ml ink.

@Knowbody42

2 ай бұрын

Personally I wouldn't buy an HP printer out of principle, based on the stories I've heard. - Refusing to *scan* because it hasn't got *ink* cartridges in it. - Refusing to print with HP branded printer cartridges which still have ink in them because the user cancelled their ink subscription. - Automatic firmware updates making the printer refuse to print for stupid reasons

Wouldn't it be better if the ink supply system was more like a diesel fuel pump system with a loop that is constantly flowing when it is running? I think they are setup like that for a similar reason, constantly running diesel through the filter and preventing deposits building up.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

That seems like a really good idea! Makes a lot of sense.

@XxverhAUTxX

8 ай бұрын

Most likely. But then they couldnt sell you a new printer every 2 years and would lose out on precious profits. Honestly, it's a problem observeable in every market segment. The bigger companies get and the fewer companies there are that offer a certain product, the less customer friendly their company and service policies will be. I fucking hate it and sadly there is very little an individual can do about it.

Is there a way to refill cartridges with the manufacturer's ink bottles then reset the chip? Only print 2-3 pages once a week but the cartridges cost more than the bottles!

@MP-xz7om

9 ай бұрын

Yeah thats possible i refilled my hp cartridges a few times but somehow it doesnˋt work anymore after a few refills and i needed to get a new one

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

People seem to have mixed results refilling cartridges.

Bear in mind that at least in the UK, a manufacturer's time limit on the warranty has no force in law. The product has to be free of defects when manufactured and if an inherent defect is present from the beginning, as opposed to fair wear and tear, you can claim a replacement for up to six years.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Yes, definitely worth deferring to your statutory warranty in these cases.

Great review. I almost bought one until I saw a Canon MF753 laserjet color for $300. Any chance of a laser jet review, the good, bad of owning one?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

If you are printing a reasonable volume, then I think a laser is a much better option.

Can someone suggest me which one of the two is a better choice? I am confused between brother dcp-t520w & epson l3250. I need colour printing or would have gone with the laser printer instead. TIA

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

I would always recommend Brother over Epson.

There is a trick that all inkjet printers can benefit from. Print a full color page once a week to prevent the head from clogging. Most of the latest models have a replaceable ink sponge - the early models didn't. Inform yourself before you buy.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

100% good advice. I have had a lot of success with Brother injet printers.

@rajaramanamacha4790

6 ай бұрын

Head clogging is an issue if you use the printer sparingly...no matter which tech you use (cartridge or ink tank). The only way to avoid it is to print at least twice a week. You will waste ink either way. With the cartridge you waste more expensive ink. With ink tanks you waste less expensive ink (though the printer companies take higher upfront investment for ink tank). The guy who has made this video has not done proper research and does not have data to assert that the ink tanks are worse than cartridge printers because they have ink tubes.....

What if I would only fill the ink at half instead of full - black & colors - would that reduce all the waste, sponges are less wet and that kind of alignment waste would be reduced?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

I don't think that would help unfortunately

Amazing and insightful video, thanks so much!

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Could this be an Epson issue-or maybe specific for infrequent users? I have been using my Canon G7020 with mega tanks (paid less than $300) for about a couple of years now, and this has been the VERY best printer I have ever owned. I print both text and graphics daily, and I have yet to refill the tanks that came with the printer. With my former printers, I would have spent a fortune on ink cartridges and toners with the same use. The only complaint: The control panel looks like it’s from Y2K.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Seems to be more of an issue for infrequent users.

if you use printer alot and on a regular basis, those Eco tanks are absolutely worth it, it's better than anything else I have used in the past, this included a handful of color and black and white Laser printers, and a few ink jets. they are a bit more expensive compared with your cartridge printers, but we have used the provided ink for 2 years and still have another year of ink left. I have the ET 8550 and it prints beautiful A3 photos as well as documents.

@kosterix123

8 ай бұрын

it all depends on how much is a lot.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

It does seem they perform better if they are used regularly.

@kosterix123

6 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers set as weekly reminder to print a few pixels on a piece of paper. Automate habits... Epson print quality, I use the thing almost daily, is good but with some limitations (1) book format printing has white outer borders that seem impossible to adjust (2) the drying of the ink takes half a week and even then when you touch it it leaves off ink on your thumb or index finger. (3) but worst of all any playing cards you print don't shuffle, there is too much friction on the paper somehow, even with smooth 120gsm, the ink adds to the paper friction in contrast to laserjets.

@JailerGamer

5 ай бұрын

​@@turquoisecoastcomputersyou need to print all 4 inks at least once a week. Otherwise it dries up and clogs

It depends on how you use them. What resolution are you printing the labels at? Cost per page you're better off using a color laser printer. Laser printers can sit months or more between prints without causing misprints or suffering from the same problems that an inkjet will suffer for that much time between prints. Laser printers can produce the same photo quality prints using the right kind of paper. The iColor Dye Sublimation printers would be better suited to your label printing needs. Not only does it print CMYKW for dye sublimation, florescent CMYKW, prints with metallic-looking gold and silver toner, prints with transparent toner as an overcoat / lamination layer to protect the other toner colors beneath it, transparent toner can also be used as a spot color by itself and on top of the other toner colors, plus the printer can use security toner that has a detection wand. Security toners allow you to make credentials, passes, tickets, etc that can be authenticated with the detection tool. For embellishing garments you can use a two-step process known as Direct to Film. Step one is printing the image. Step two is applying an adhesive sheet on top of the dye sublimated image. Then press it on your clam shell or swing away heat press to bind the image to the garment and activate the full color gamut of the image. iColor dye sub printers allow you to hot swap toners. Their printers have slots for 4 toner cartridges. With hot swap feature you can change between toners easily during the print job. There are also machinery for making laser printed labels with kiss cut functionality. That can wind and unwind to rolls of media at up to letter size I believe. Making it easier for you to make cheaper labels that can be used with semi-automatic to fully automatic label application machines. But if you still want to go with an inkjet printer for making your labels then use one that has pigment inks across all colors and waterfall inkjet printing capability. Pigmented inks are waterproof, fade resistant with a life span of up to 100 years before fading is seen by the naked eye, smudge proof. That Eco Tank you bought has dye based inks which have none of the features or benefits of pigment-based inks. Epson still makes those I believe. They used to market that as the DuraBright inks. Waterfall inkjet printers lay down ink faster than many high speed laser printers. These tend to be dye based printers. But I think Affinity is working on a slightly slower version that has pigmented inks. EcoTank printers from Epson is a response to CIS (Continuous Ink Supply). These are external ink tanks that run feed lines to dummy ink cartridges that always read full. There are chip puller tools that let you bypass the security chips of the manufacturer's cartridges to replace them with dummy chips. The chips on the ink cartridge doesn't link to non-existent internal sensors of the ink cartridges to determine how much ink really remains. At best they are programmed with the average number of printable pages. Possibly blind to whatever print resolutions you've been using since their initialization. So the CIS method uses little foam wedges to prop open the top of the printer allowing the external feed lines to run inside of the printer without getting pinched or snagged. Then a little riser is added to the sensor on the printer's lid to trick it into detecting a closed lid when it is pried a open a little bit. All of this was done to circumvent the ink scam you mentioned. Effectively turning a cheap decent quality printer into a continuous printing capable machine. You know how much ink is left just by looking at the external ink tanks. One per color. As the supply drops too low just unscrew the cap of the refill bottle to add more.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Are you a bot? this reads like it was written with Ai.

How about changing the sponge before it triggers the sensor?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

At the time the video was made I dont think this would work in some cases.

Is it a problem with all ink tanks or just this brand ? What is your take on Brother ink tank printers, say dcp t820dw ?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Brother printers have used a similar setup to the inktank printers for years, and they do not seem to have the same issues. Brother make great printers.

@RejathBenny

6 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers Thank you for taking your time to reply.

My current home printer is a Brother INKvestment MFC-J1215DW (a Walmart exclusive, very similar to the MFC-J1205), which cost me US$89.95 about 3 years ago. I've only had to replace the INKvestment oversized ink cartridges (Brother's alternative to the bottles used with other brands of tank printers) twice in that time, most recently about a month ago. Do your criticisms of tank printers also apply to the Brother INKvestment range?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

8 күн бұрын

I really like Brother printers. They are reliable, good on ink, and don't seem to partake in the same scam like behavior of other brands. Their inkvestment range of products seem to be really good printers.

Thank you so much for your v. informative video. I bought a canon pixima ink tank yesterday and haven’t opened it, LUCKY I found you! I will be returning it tomorrow and buying a colour laser instead. Thank you so much. I’m subscribing to give you support for your support. Thankyou🙏

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Thanks :D

Thank you so much for this. I was about to try one as I've got two dead injet printers, but now I'm informed. I'll keep searching for a color printer, as I have since my Amiga's thermal printer days. Some technology hasn't marched forward much at the consumer level.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately not. I think the Brother range of printers are a good option.

@TNM001

7 ай бұрын

this is old information...all newer models have swappable waste ink containers.

You are correct to state one should stay alert. You can't decently print quality photographs on a laser printer, though. I think one should have a deeper look at the scam of printer cartridges, control chips, and deskjet printer good practices. Everything starts to fall apart once people messes with cheap photo paper and inks, or leaves their inkjet printer lie unused for months. I still feel a lot more at ease with a modern ecotank printer. You should also compare the technology of more recent *tank printers with older ones. What would you say about the ET-8500 and ET-8550?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

8 ай бұрын

Yes certainly not detracting from all the other issues with the printer industries. I really like the Brother range of printers, they have been great value and extremely reliable over the years.

I wonder if it is possible to disable this sensor within the sponge, or to tape it up with duct tape so it will never sense anything, and then manually replace the sponge once a year. Has anyone tested this?

@PlNKUHOSHI

8 ай бұрын

Oh, thanks for clarifying, then the only way really to buy that third-party software that resets the counter, or chose another brand of printer. @@johndoeistaken

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately not posible

I noticed the sheer lack of features for the price for these tank printers; no duplex printing, no auto feeding, and slower print speeds. No nice LCD screens except for the very expensive models.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Yep, $5 ink tanks stuck of the side of the cheapest printer they have.

Thank you for the heads up! I think we're going color laser instead.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Good choice!

Well, I once had an Inkjet Printer (HP) but was soon disappointed with it, making it so you had to buy their cartridges, so recently was thinking about an epson ET-4810 A4. Looking at and comparing the eco tanks, and luckily ran into your site. You really know your things to share with someone like me who doesn't. My thoughts have really been updated. If I need a copy of anything I will just go to the library or Walmart. Do you have any suggestions on home faxes, I can use any help you can provide. Thank you, James

There are also Continuous Ink Supply System (CISS) systems that you can retrofit to many Ink Jet printers. So you can buy a cheap Ink Jet printer and add one of these kits and get the features of the "tank" printers, with out the premium price.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

This is the best of both worlds.

What are your thoughts on the Brother brand? I was told they are manufactured much more user servicable than the other big brands. Is that generally true?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

100% Brother is my goto brand for printers

@danieldennis6313

5 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers Nice! Thanks, its good to know the intel I was given is validated by other experts.

We have suffered first hand, we bought a Canon inktank printer and here is the kicker we were using it almost every day and still experienced clogs every few months! And we were also experiencing the dreaded 5B00 error meaning our waste ink sponge is full and needs to be replaced. Luckily we can temporarily bypass the error message and now we bought a new printer instead..

@Frank-pn4ud

11 ай бұрын

which printer did you end up getting?

@jackkraken3888

11 ай бұрын

@@Frank-pn4ud We had to resort to using an Epson ink tank for now till we see a better solution. If you only need to print black and white a monochrome laser printer is ideal but make sure to know how much the replacement toner cartridges cost as in some countries they can be very expensive. Stay away from Pantum laser printers as their cartridges are very expensive, I heard Brother laser printers are better but your mileage may vary.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Brother laser printers are a great option.

@ernestoditerribile

8 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputersI would always go for Xerox or Ricoh They are built way better.

I basically lucked out on a Brother J470DW which works with dirt cheap generic (not Brother) cartridges, I've had the machine for over 7 years, longer than I've had any other printer

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Brother make great printers!

I was about to buy one epson tank but u change my mind. thank you for review

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Glad you found the video useful

Short answer, based on ownership of a Canon Pixma G3200: absolutely, positively yes. Why is there no way to reset the ink spill counter? I replaced the absorber pads, but now I can't reset the counter to enable the printer to operate again. Major fail, very dissatisfied customer here.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear you are having problems.

@Malainor

8 ай бұрын

Dunno if this helps but Turn off Printer. PUT PRINTER IN SERVICE MODE: Hold STOP then POWER Release STOP Button Press STOP 5 times Release POWER button (Wait for green stable green light) PRINT PRINTER INFO BEFORE RESET: Press STOP 3 times Press POWER 1 time (wait - printer should print full page, second line D= should be greater than zero) RESET INK COUNTER: Press STOP 5 times Press POWER 1 time (wait - Printer should print 1 Line) PRINT PRINTER INFO AFTER RESET: Press STOP 3 times Press POWER 1 time (wait - printer should print full page, second line D= should be zero) Press POWER 1 time Best of luck😅

I' had both an Epson & a Cannon ink tank style printers. The biggest problem I've had with both is air backing up in the lines. And it's a pain to get it printing again.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have also heard of these issues.

@OpenGL4ever

Жыл бұрын

If there is air in the lines, it can easily damage your bubble inkjet printer. The reason for this is that the print head consists of many small nozzles and in order to put a dot on the paper, the corresponding nozzles are heated. This causes the ink to heat up, causing it to expand and shoot out onto the paper. But if there is no ink in the nozzle, only air, then the nozzle and everything around it overheats and the print head breaks. The ink thus also serves as a coolant for the print head.

@johne6081

11 ай бұрын

Have you ever needed to reset your ink usage counter? My Canon Pixma 3200 is worthless until/unless I can accomplish that, and none of the online tips work at all.

@michaelosman01

11 ай бұрын

@@johne6081 No, not yet... That'll probably be next. Lol

So what type of Printer do you recommend for just home use?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Brother Inkjet printers are great.

@sherrigodbey9244

11 ай бұрын

This has been the most helpful review of inkjet/ink tank printers I have found! I’m so happy I watched this review first!!! Thank you Tourqoise!!!

i am using brother dcp t720 foo almost a year. can u please mention of its problems?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Brother Are the main printers we recommend and sell. Great Printers!!

So this is what the cavemen from the commercials have been up to!

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Yes, mainly foraging and printer reviews. :D

Where are the FTC and the class action lawsuits?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

100% a bit of accountability from these manufacturers would be good.

Just got rid of an Epson tank printer that clogged after 3 years. I have a lot of ink in unopened bottles (#512). I bought a HP6001 smart tank. Does anyone know if the inks are so similar that I can use the epson ink to fill the hp printer?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

11 ай бұрын

I am not sure, but would think it was unlikely

Fascinating…thank you. What about the Brother Inkvestment?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

11 ай бұрын

I have not tested them, but I do rate Brother printers otherwise.

I question the lack of ethics of the design engineers who make these things. Just make refillable ink cartridges that can be cleaned.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

100%

@jimmyzhao2673

Жыл бұрын

We need a class action lawsuit against the printer manufacturers.

@user-sk4yf2vz1q

10 ай бұрын

You'd have the population of the first world on your side..

SO GLAD I SAW THIS BEFORE I BOUGHT A EPSON ECOTANK! I was going to the store first thing in the morning to purchase one! I’ll definitely be investing in a brother laser printer now

In my experience, Epson tank printers have this issue but Canon tank printers don't. The heads on Canon printers don't clog up as much as Epson, and when they do, just one cleaning cycle fixes the problem, whereas Epson printers can require 3 to 10 cleaning cycles. Canon's ink tank printers also have user-replaceable ink sponges and print heads.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

That's good to know. User serviceable sponges is definitely the way to go.

@t.h5823

Жыл бұрын

I'm looking for an ink tank, what Canon model would you recommend?

@ClarqueAllen

Жыл бұрын

My Canon had this exact issue just two days after the warranty expired,

@evannewman3997

Жыл бұрын

What? I thought Canon printers didn't allow you to replace the ink sponges without some kind of reset software. Huh.

@ClarqueAllen

Жыл бұрын

My Canon has a non serviceable sponge that locked up the machine two days after the warranty expired

The 2850 has a document feed and double sided printing. Just look at the image on the webpage you opened, you can't miss it. The price is now around $200. It is a fantastic deal and a really good printer.

Is it actually a sensor or just a counter?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

I believe it differs across manufacturers

Why are you showing the ink sponge from a cannon printer featured on someone else’s Chanel.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Because I did not have any of that footage to hand when I made the video. You can see from the video description that I have permission from that creator and have linked his video.

But if the sponge fills up within a year: manufacturers warranty lasts for two years minimum (at least where I live). This two-year warranty period is mandatory and may not be shortened. During this period, the product must not have any defects. I have already returned dozens of products (e.g. LED shower head, mixer, ...) within this period and either received the money back or a new/equivalent product (e.g. I exchanged the LED shower head every year for five years). Most manufacturers therefore ensure that their products only become defective after two years.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

You are quite right, definitely for stating your statutory warranty if the manufacturers don't want to play ball.

I have a pixma cannon inktank. Paid $120, ink is $20 for all 4 colours. Printed 7000 pages already, no hassles. Have only had to top up once so far.

Still using my very old HP Officejet 6500A Plus und and Officejet 7000 wide format. Very slow printers but i don't print very much so that doesn't matter. Non OEM catridges for this printers (920xl) are dirt cheap. First i refilled them but they a to cheap to do it. Just changing is easy and economic. I think that's a good solution for privat use and y won't change before this printers break. Before i used an Epson with chinese refill catridges fittes with autoreset chips. Worked like a charm.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Seems older printers provided a lot more value.

But they do come with a 5 year Epson warranty, surely this covers the ink pads as well ?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

The models I was referring to at the time did not have these warranties, good news that they do now.

Just bought a 2850 for $219. You can buy a full set of aftermarket replacement inks for $12 if you want to really save. With name brand cartridges going for $30-$70, if I have to buy a new sponge and replace the ink I'm still saving in the long run.

@TNM001

7 ай бұрын

4 weeks ago...dude, all newer models (3000/4000 series) have replacable waste ink containers...why did you buy an old one...

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Good news it is working for you.

Excellent video !!!! Thank you very much for the info.

Don't know how your video popped up on my feed. But, thank you. While I would love to visit...im in southern Ontario, canada. Lol I have an 'old' hp 1010 laser printer.which still works, but only on linux. Windows doesn't support it anymore. Thanks again for the video. My wife has a ep 2650. Ill be looking at the sponge soon. Cheers, jeffrey

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Jeffrey, Good luck with the sponge. Since this video was made, the manufacturers have improved a lot of the issues, making the sponges easier to change.

These companies are disgusting. What the hell needs to happen to keep these people honest?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

@TomaCukor answered this, Class action lawsuits.

These inkpads isn't ink tank printers' specific issue. For example Canon PIXMA MG5xxx (it uses cartridges) had the same "solution" for waste ink. If its sponge is full, you could send it to service (if that model is still supported), otherwise you could throw your printer away. So I think this matter "behind the scene" is normal for most if not all ink printers. Manufacturer simply hopes you will replace printer with new one before "ink absorber" (Canon's term) is full. Currently, I'm thinking about Epson L6xxx which uses changeable container (which cost cca 9 USD) instead of this stupid sponge.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

The printer do seem to be improving, since this video was made.

When I went to buy an ink cartridge for my Epson it was $80 at Walmart so instead for $10 I bought some black ink off of Amazon injected it myself and save $70

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

That sounds like a better option.

If you are looking for a cheap priner buy the cartruges one and a kit to convert it into a inktank. And please buy generic color ink, is just the same thing for a fifth of a price and reuse the ink in the sponge as black one. There are many tutorials out there to make this modifications

I bought a Canon G6020 in July 2020 for $300.00. The copy/print count is now 16,950. It's a home printer just for my wife and I. So far there have not been any problems. I've used about 13 bottles of ink total. The ink is cheap enough so I only buy Canon ink rather than the the cheaper ink. I've had great success with Canon and have not used any other brand in a very long time. When I need another printer, I will look at the LED lasers primarily for printing speed. If I'm satisfied with my research, I'll get one. If not, I won't hesitate to buy another Canon MegaTank.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

These printers seem to perform better when they are frequently used, I assume less cleaning and flushing is required.

@toejam9372

5 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers: i've had a canon 7020 for several years. I'm an infrequent user of color, or used to be. Initially the cheapskate in me wanted to save $, so, I printed b&w mostly. Unfortunately, this meant the color ink didn't get used, resulting in air gaps in the ink tubes from the print heads. The solution - do an ink flush to push in through the tube, getting rid of the air. The flush uses about 1/3 of the ink in the tank, which is dumped on the ink pad. The net result, by trying to economize, I ended up dumping more ink than i used and did not save anything. So, now I print in high quality color for everything and don't worry about saving color ink. Better to use it than to flush it to the inkpad and get washed down the drain. You are dead-on - infrequent use leads to air gaps in the tubing with requires massive flushing of ink in the drain.

Thank you for this information.

Have an Epson L850, a photo printer. When I don’t print anything for say 3-4 days, I need to flush the printer at least 7-10 times to get it right. In fact, I have spent more ink in flushing the printer than printing. Another scam. Now I will be purchasing a colour laser printer the price of which is equivalent to my Epson L850.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

That sounds far from ideal! Laser definitely seems to be a better solution if you are printing in high volume.

there are software to reset the ink waste counter and then manually empty the waste ink container, mine going for 5 years ni repair ever, only problme is clogged heads which the printer has the tools to fix

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

It's great your printer is working for you, but as you can see from the comments, there are plenty of people experiencing the issues expressed in the video.

On the face of your analysis, it would seem that the 2850 with Ecotank at $500 is too expensive compared to the 3100 cartridge at $99. First thing is that currently the 2850 or comparable epson tank printer is closer to $300 but is still a lot more expensive than the 3100. In actuality the 3100 is under priced based upon its performance value - ummm, wonder why? It's so you continue to buy these over priced ink cartridges which over the life ot the printer will have far exceeded what you would pay for the tank style and ink. This business model was introduced by HP... You know, you buy the printer new for not much more than a set of replacement ink cartridges. It's the same idea that a cell phone carrier will almost give you a top line smart phone for just obliging yourself to a minimum length contract that will cost you additionally the separate cost of the phone if you cancel. If you were only going to use the printer a limited amount of time, maybe the cheap printer would work out well for you but if you use it regularly it will turn out to be much more expensive replacing the cartridges. I am aware of the sponge issue but have seen this situation addressed without having to discard the printer and while the tank printers are not as ink efficient due to built in maintenance, they're still way cheaper than the cartridges. And a final comment, the 2850 model is not so much overpriced as the 3100 is under priced for as a hook, in fact, this business model could still work if they gave the printers away.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

10 ай бұрын

Great news that the manufacturers have addressed the sponge issues.

I wish I knew all this 3 years ago, I bought a cheap Epson ET-2710 for NZ$300, it's unusable now, as I can't keep the heads clean for more than a few days. I don't do regular printing, but when I do it's usually quite a few pages...problem is the heads clog in the meantime and I waste so much ink trying to clean them. Anyway, I now only use it for the flatbed scanner as I bought a Brother colour laser printer, without a scanner, but I only paid NZ$270...ones with scanners are double that price. I can't believe how good the laser printer is, so fast, no clogs and much better/shaper looking print.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that. Laser can be a great option.

running a brother 8000 series inktank. it does the job very well.....i am sure they still make their money in ink somewhere along the line

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Brother have the best reputation in my opinion, also they have probably better perfected the ink tank system as the way their cartridges have worked for years is not dissimilar to an ink tank.

@jacquesb5248

9 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers had a epson3110 was like R2999 in the shop but with shop discount and epson discount got like1500 off. sold it later and moved to the brother

I bought the GX7020 Maxify Canon. I chose this model because it has a removable printhead. The Epson Ecotank has a fixed printhead. You should seriously consider looking at the tank printers who not use a sponge but a removable cartridge dedicated for cleaning ink.

As the owner of two EPSON Eco Tank Printers (A3 and A4I can say that I have run a significant number of colour prints through both my printers. They are inexpensive to run and the oldest of my printers (A4) has printed 1000's of sheets. I have purchased a service tank (just in case) but so far I haven't needed to replace the original.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Glad it is working for you.

@geoffreyschuchardt5350

10 ай бұрын

Don't lie. We know you're just spewing rubish.

@TNM001

7 ай бұрын

@@geoffreyschuchardt5350 he isn't lying lol. this video doesn't even recognize the models with replacable waste ink containers... either he doesnt know, or he just regurgitated an article for clicks...

It’s been just 3 years that I bought the Epson ink tank and now I am having printer head issues and having to buy a new one because of clogging. It was bought for kids use but we can’t be printing everyday or during holidays and breaks. The product needs to be practical.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

I reccomend the Brother inkjets, they have been great.

I have learned to be content with a basic laser, solved all my inkjet cartridge and ink bleeding issues, very few things need need color anyway.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Black and white laser are great value if they meet your requirements.

I went to a color laser a year or two ago. Working great.

Ink in a tube is exposed to much less air than ink in a cartridge. What do you think fills up the cart as then ink is used? I've had much better luck with tank printers. When the ink sponge gets full you can either replace them or in some cases just wash the old ones and reinstall when dry.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

Glad you have a way to maintain the ink sponges in your printer, unfortunately this is not the case for all makes and models.

I owned canon g3000 wifi printer. It costs me aprox to buy a new one with in 4 years of service. I changed power plug to custom 3 pin plug and customised its ink wastage by using ink potty by taking its tubes. Now its just okay to work. But don't know how long it will go without hassle free. So for the time being I can take a deep breath. Thats it.🙂

@NathanTeaches

Жыл бұрын

costs me aprox how much?

@Prem_infogate

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanTeaches USD 79.00

@turquoisecoastcomputers

Жыл бұрын

Good idea!

Had mine 3 years & still not replaced ink in it. My HP printer ink catriadges at £50 per time over3 years means £400. If I soend £200 on a printer with all ink Included for 3 years until now, how is tnat not cost effective?

I used to have one. This happened to me! Now I actually know what it was. I eventually just threw it in the garbage 😅On top of things… the Epson workforce 800 series constantly fell off line!! I had 2 different ones at different times over the years. Thank you so much for this information 🎉

Thank you for this very informative video I am considering buying one of those Epson ink tank printers and after hearing about the sponge and that it's a limited life and can't even be replaced I'm probably not going to buy it

my eco tank is over 8,000 pages still working on 2nd refill of ink. Screw $40 cartridges that print 300 pages.

Sadly I didn't see this video a year ago when I purchased our EcoTank. From almost day one with Epson ink we've had to clean the printhead. Now after seeing your video I know why we've had all the problems we've had.

Im looking for a new printer and came across your channel. T Y so much for this information. It was really helpful. And T Y so much for being so easy on the eyes.😉

Sir here in the US they are $300 USD. 1 year has passed do you feel the same way?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

10 ай бұрын

They do seem to be getting better.

Thank you very much for your information very hellful

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

I am glad it was helpful

well i use older epson inkjet printer, t22 and tx130 printer, they actually have the same mechanic for printer system, even ink head, the are serviceable with ultrasonic bath, and the alert with sponge it's software in this old models, count pages until you obligue to come to service, if the service know to do that, you end with locked printer, probably it's same, xp99 and l3210 look more similar even, just a counter.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

That sound like the way forwards :D

@CarlosMartinez-px9xo

6 ай бұрын

@@turquoisecoastcomputers yup i have the software, if i remember, search in portuguese with other browser and maybe you can find it, and extract ink waste sponge, submerge in water and squeeze and change water until dont make water black and let it dry, or adapt a external container, like liquid medicine bottle, and that's it, this the way this fix it in latam

It's not hard to design a printer with an extra tube that squart out a cleaning solution to those printer heads. The printer companies just refuse to make such printers.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

6 ай бұрын

100%

Ecotank printers aren't new, Epson released them like 5 years ago. Ink tubes are in the inkjet market for 2 decades at least (HP2000C was one of the first) and pose no clogging risks in comparison with cartridges. Flush and purging is an inkjet feature since the inception of the technology itself. Cartridge-based printers are underpriced because the profit comes from the chipped cartridges. That doesn't make tank printers overpriced, just honestly priced. I can replace the ink absorbers on my Ecotank and reset the counter. Canon models offer the same option.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

2 жыл бұрын

Just to clarify a few things. By new, I mean comparatively new in relation to ink cartridges. I am aware ink tubes have been around for a while, but in this application they are causing more ink to be purged. This is clear as ink cartridge printer can print for decades without requiring an absorber to be changed, whereas the ink tank printer absorbers are filling up within 1-2 years. As I understand it Epson's "Maintenance Reset Utility can only be used once and will allow printing for a short period of time." If you would like to read more about this, Epson have all this information on their website. epson.com/Support/wa00369 While you may be able to change your ink absorbers and reset the counters, this is outside of the ability and inclination of a larger number of end users. The only software that can reset the counter is made by a third party to Epson, is chargeable and is not approved by Epson. The fact Epson have gone to the lengths to write this support article (epson.com/Support/wa00369), would indicate there are many other people who share my opinion. I'm glad you are happy with you printer and it meets your requirements, but my opinion (which is shared with many others) is that this is an example of planned obsolescence and these are not products I would recommend to my customers, hence the video.

So I have to ask, why not just put a tank in there instead of a sponge? User serviceable, easy solution. Or was extorsion the original goal?

@turquoisecoastcomputers

10 ай бұрын

I think it is so users don't see that the "cheap" bottles of ink they are buying are infact not that cheap, as they would see it get poured in the top and an come dripping out the other side into a waste tank.

The scam is printer manufacturers blocking right-to-repair on ink-tank-printers. Been using Epson ink-tank for many years. Ink-tank significantly cheaper to operate that inkjet. Only issue is the counter that shuts-down the printer when it thinks that the overflow pad is full. The pad is cheap $1 part, but Epson don't supply software to reset the counter. EU should fine Epson for violation of right-to-repair.

@turquoisecoastcomputers

9 ай бұрын

100% this is exactly the point. In principle the idea of an inktank is great, but it seems the implementation of it has been purposely hampered by manufactures to increase profit margins.