One big thing about the amethysts is they're great on maps with woods. Normal hellstorms blow up on trees, no damage. Amethysts blow up and drop purple suns. Nowhere to hide now, wood elves!

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. A good point :)

@deathtrooper7760

24 күн бұрын

Here comes the sun

It's great to test units based upon their role instead of just directly fighting against one another.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed, the results are interesting :)

Just by the initial effect.. Might take as long to completely route the orc units but damn that initial volley of the Amethyst ones were so much better.. Like it's not even a competition.

Between Gelt's Uber wizard doomstack and Ellie's magic war machines CA really be doing their best to try and get me to Cheat on my prince and emperor.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

:D Thanks for the comment.

@kailianglf2

26 күн бұрын

mods.

@xXMcScorpionXx

15 күн бұрын

@@kailianglf2 Wdym mods?

@kailianglf2

14 күн бұрын

@@xXMcScorpionXx workshop

@xXMcScorpionXx

12 күн бұрын

@@kailianglf2 That doesn't explain why you said mods though.

Honestly I think the Amethyst orc units ran away further before they rallied, so I'm not sure the timers are quite accurate. Plus you can see the Hellstorm volley tended to take two volleys to route stuff, while the Amethyst took one.

@jean-baptistebui565

27 күн бұрын

the testing method is flawed I think, since he testing both in the same battle, consecutively instead of simutaneously, what could happen is by the second test, since the orc armies has been partially decimated, the army balance shifted, and that would rout them faster.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

True. Power creep? ;D Thanks for the comment.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

@@jean-baptistebui565 Thanks for the comment. Yea, that sure affects. But it is so nice to watch the explosions and whatever black holes :)

I like how these orc boyz holding they shields in front of them, trying to block rockets

@QualityGames-ql1jc

21 күн бұрын

Indeed :D Thanks for the comment

Also the Amethyst hellstorm is better at killing single & small entity units, in Elspeths quest battle for the Deaths timekeeper it killed a hellcannon in 3 shots, the final shot only taking off the last sliver of health. Plus they become even more powerful in campaign gaining increased range, the mini purple suns become twice as damaging and their final upgrade increasing your winds of magic regen rate and generating reserves the more they kill their definetly superior

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Agreed and the cost is same. Thanks for the comment. :)

Just remember that when fighting space age magic artillery that you should group up and start chanting “I’m a tank, I’m a tank, im a tank”

@rickkhemai1443

25 күн бұрын

hey i understood that reference

@SquidwradThomas

25 күн бұрын

@@rickkhemai1443 lmao

@cthulhubecausewhynot1182

24 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, Magic damage ignores physical and missile resistance

@SquidwradThomas

24 күн бұрын

@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 smaller hit box and bigger health pool than a hoard of infantry

Also a key part that isn't taken into account here is that in the campaign, regular units will get some buffs from the workshop, but amethyst units will gets those same buffs AND the buffs from the amethyst section of the workshop, which gives them a large edge.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

True, tests in Skirmish and multiplayer are always simplifications :) Thanks for the comment.

I think a good touch with the amethyst rockets is that they're so much darker than the normal rockets. The other amethyst units have bright projectiles compared to their normal counterparts but these rockets are way harder to see until right before they hit.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.

Amethyst routs on the first volley, normal one on the second. So it's better. I think you should have stopped the test once they routed since they aren't really dangerous anymore at that point and the fight would be over.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. True, but those explosions are just so beautiful :D

I think because the first blast caused the greenskins to route back outside range the time was close. The amethyst seemed much more effective 2 or 3 volleys and the units were finished.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

26 күн бұрын

Yea, they seem to be rather powerful :) Thanks for the comment.

The Amethyst one is simply better. I also think that fewer of them could achieve a similar effect, over a wider area. That's the idea.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Agreed :) Thanks for the comment.

Just wait til chorfs come out with EVEN BIGGER dreadquake mortar :D

@QualityGames-ql1jc

21 күн бұрын

That has to be tested then :D Thanks for the comment

Amethyst is the winner if not in time but actual kills. Amethyst appears to kill more in several kinds of averages

@QualityGames-ql1jc

20 күн бұрын

Yea, imo balance-wise they should be a bit pricier than the originals :) Thanks for the comment.

It took one salvo to determine the winner. The Amethyst's mini-Black Suns just have so much extra AoE that in an actual battle, it would spread over to nearby units for the extra disruption. Units with loose formation that are usually able to mitigate range attacks will also feel the hurt.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

21 күн бұрын

Agreed on that. Though, it can also hit your own units rather hard :) Thanks for the comment

@ShinigamiSamaH

21 күн бұрын

@QualityGames-ql1jc True. Luckily, the faction was build for "never let them get into melee range in the first place" so it isn't too big an issue.

Can you please test them against single entity monsters and some monstrous infantry/cavalry? Preferably if they have tons of armor. I know it's not the purpose of this artillery, but might be interesting to see nontheless.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion. I will add that to To-Do list :)

Fun fact, I looked up both units on total war Warhammer three stats (tww3stats) end it seems that the amethyst version is less accurate stat wise than the standard one which I find is in direct contradiction to this video where I believe to have seen A higher degree of accuracy from the amethyst version over the standard version.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yea, the battle was relatively one-sided :)

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Sorry about the previous response (which I cannot edit for some reason). Confused the vid. But agreed on what you say :)

Haven’t tried Elspeth yet, but ok, She makes rocket launcher that shots baby purple suns.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.

Amethyst is just more situational. Bad for walls and quick units. Less effective on moving units (pending on vortex path) but epic against large unit size and turtling armies

@QualityGames-ql1jc

21 күн бұрын

Souds reasonable. :) Thanks for the comment

@nickhass7757

20 күн бұрын

@QualityGames-ql1jc I don't pvp personally on here but I imagine this would cause less bunker strats

I think the test would be better against some heavy armored troops, because in battles you will be focusing them with the artillery and not some cheap and weak units

@QualityGames-ql1jc

26 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. These vs Hvy troops is on To-Do list :)

Amethyst with campaign upgrade is OP, and a tiny bit better on MP but if there is friendly fire it can obliterate your often weaker units even quicker. In any case tho, in ranked its not available :/

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Ah, that friendly fire can be nasty :) Thanks for the comment.

Imo, the alethyst is better to deal with IA in the highest difficulty (legendary/very hard difficulty battle) when the ia is a monster in dodging bombardement and save their troops to a massive hellstorm rocket rain. With mini suns, they can dodge the first blow but the purple sun can damage heavely the formations. But other thing, the amethysts is way better to INSTAKILL your mele line with a little bit of friendly fire. It's 2 or 3 times better than the trad one, but i don't think that was the point of comparaison...

@QualityGames-ql1jc

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Good points :)

Hellstorms bring the HEAT, but the Amethyst's COOL factor is undeniable.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

23 күн бұрын

Agreed on that :D Thanks for the comment.

Amethyst ones win by using the "Cool" factor. I feel like the second round was shortened due to the routing in the first test. It lowered the Army Losses threshold. 🤔

@QualityGames-ql1jc

22 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That might have affected things a bit :)

are the armouries fully upgraded?

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

Thanks for the question. This is in multiplayer, so neither unit has any upgrades :)

The answer is, apparently, yes. Plus WoM passive. Even so, might not be really worth the upkeep.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Good points :) Thanks for the comment.

I want to compare these against factions with lots of magic resist into their units like dwarfs or harkons forces.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

Thanks for the interesting suggestion. I will add that to To-Do list :)

@shadowblade5656

25 күн бұрын

Magic resist *shouldn't* affect these units because the third game changed it to only affect actual spells. But that said, I don't know if the amethyst batteries are coded to drop *actual* miniature versions of the spell, or are just using the effect. So, worth a test!

i think this is not accurate... the orcs under amethyst valley would break harder if they dont get army loss penalty so in this scenario its even

@QualityGames-ql1jc

23 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Might be the case :) Thanks for the comment.

Silly orcs with their shields up xD

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Well, I guess better than nothing :D Thanks for the comment.

So 1 barrage is actually stronger than 1 purple sun of xereus lmaooo

@QualityGames-ql1jc

21 күн бұрын

:D Thanks for the comment

Amethyst weaponry violates Geneva's convetion.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

4 күн бұрын

True :) Thanks for the comment.

what map is this?

@QualityGames-ql1jc

23 күн бұрын

Crossroads (I am not fully sure, if it has multiplayer in brackets after the name) Thanks for the comment. :)

@AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH365

23 күн бұрын

@@QualityGames-ql1jc how can I find this map? is it a mod?

Welcome to Estalia gentlemen!!

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.

Given how inaccurate both are any one test could be a fluke. Probably need to test this many times

@QualityGames-ql1jc

26 күн бұрын

True, RNG plays a role here :) Thanks for the comment.

Normal rockets stand no chance against a volley of Purple Suns. I’m sure that if you tested them out against higher odds the Purple Rockets win every time.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Did 5vs5 test between the different batteries. The results were quite clear :) Thanks for the comment.

amelyst is almost like cluster ammonution

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Agreed :) Thanks for the comment.

The hell!?magic rockets?? With actually magic effects?!And the high elves a magic race have what ballistas? The empire always get the good stuffs, y cant a race who excell at magic get magic artileries like the luminark or the magic imbune in projectile mechanic of the empire in the new dlc.

@simonnachreiner8380

27 күн бұрын

Artillery really is the weak spot of all elves. Helfs and delfs only have ballista while the welfs have jack shit

@shadowblade5656

25 күн бұрын

@@simonnachreiner8380 To be fair, High Elves' real artillery are dragons. And caster lords lol

Amethyst gets way more range with upgrade

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

True :) Thanks for the comment.

With the fact they're like triple the upkeep, I'd hope they were better.

@mxbubbles4753

28 күн бұрын

They're upkeep is ony about 120 more

@alexxu3004

27 күн бұрын

they are wayyyyyyyy better in campaign, 25% longer range plus other upgrade it covers entire map, those blackholes also solves rocket's shit accuracy problem

@mxbubbles4753

27 күн бұрын

@@alexxu3004 Plus they regenerate magic regen and reserves

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Yea, that upkeep seems quite high :) Thanks for the comment.

the testing method is flawed, since he test both in the same battle, consecutively instead of simutaneously, what could happen is by the second test, since the orc armies has been partially decimated, the army balance shifted, and that would rout them faster.

@QualityGames-ql1jc

27 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That surely affected things. At the same time, the latter orcs also rallied quite nicely, so imo the effect was not that great :)

Really imbalance unit

@QualityGames-ql1jc

25 күн бұрын

Yea, the amethyst version seems to be quite a bit better in this test :) Thanks for the comment.