Are All Taps The Same -- Part 2
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In this second half video, I cover some specialty taps, different types of handles, a Tap guide every machinist should have and I share a production setup for super fast hole tapping. Good Stuff in this one. Its long, but worth it. Take a look.
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Very good series Joe. Now that you tapped the holes a video on ways to remove a broken tap would be educational.
I've been a machinist for 30yrs. and I learn somethin' new every single day but,I've never seen that trick before...anyhow, if I don't learn anything new.... I might as well be, you know!but thanx for all the good stuff you put out there...it is great that there is good people that share their knowledge
@joepie221
4 жыл бұрын
Glad to do it.
Nice clever setup on the repeat tap op. I rarely run into parts like that but certainly something to remember if I do! Thanks!
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
It got me a huge bonus. Worked like a champ.
Love it, Joe. I used the same tapping head a few years back. Great tool. Loved the neat little set up. Clever stuff!
That is a great informative couple of video's & that little "Shop Gem" is awesome.
Thanks, Joe. Very cool and set up for dozen was priceless!!! Thanks for sharing.
Cool vid Joe. All great info.Thanks for showing the "other side" of the tap guide. It's like BONUS NACHOS! or finding that one last new blade in your utility knife.The only good thing I've ever gotten out of breaking off a tap in a blind hole was a fresh cup of coffee from having to step back and take a break before "the extraction". Thanks for posting this series.
Nice work Joe! Great info and demos that will be a big help to every viewer. Thanks!
Always learn something watching your videos, Joe. Thanks.
Joe, union millwright here with an interest in machining. The tool you show at the 14 minute mark or so, the tap follower. I had to improvise and use that technique on a job 12 hours from home. We were changing the tail section on a decent sized drag conveyor. I am pretty sure the Falk grid coupling was machined wrong as it was supposed to be about a 0.003" interference fit that gets heated up to install on the shaft. Now, being an interference fit, there are no set screws. The coupling slipped on the shaft with no heat in the morning. Being a different material than the shaft, it didn't want to go after the Texas sun was beating on it. Either way, we had to drill and tap this coupling for set screws. All we had was a cheap floor standing drill press in the back of the job trailer. With as deep as these holes were, the tap HAD to be dead straight. So, I used this technique to follow the tap, but instead of that tool, I just used a prick punch, and had a partner hold tension on the quill. If memory serves, we tapped them for either 1/2" or 5/8" UNC. Using this technique worked flawlessly as both holes tapped beautifly.
I have always struggled with tapping holes, because I use the straight flute taps and manual tapping. I am old, and this was how I was shown some 50 years ago and I don't do this type of work for a living. Answered a lot of questions, some that I didn't know enough to ask. Well done, Thanks
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
WOW. That automatic tapping Head Is Awesome. I loved the Post-it note fixture, very ingenious . I've got to get some of those spiral fully taps. Thanks for sharing that Bountiful information.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I thought that post it note concept up when the boss took a job with 1800 tapped holes and wanted it done yesterday. We were both pleased at how ell it worked. Thanks for the comment.
I love the jig set up with the parallels, nice! Can't wait to try it! Thanks Joe.
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
Its really fast. you'll like it. Just keep the vertical movement to a minimum.
I bought a Tapmatic unit for making Lathe tool holders that have 4-6 holes in the top of the holder. Stopped making it by the time I got it. Super machine. Nice unit. I believe I bought various arms as well. Nice video !
Your channel is a great learning opportunity. Thank you.
Yet another fantastic video...thanks Joe.
The set up with the parallels to tap the holes without moving the hand wheels was just wonderful.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
It worked perfectly. I started that job by actually cranking the table. After about 80 holes, i said NO MORE. That setup was a life saver.
More super info Joe -- thanks for all your efforts. Glad to see your subs have rocketed up - well deserved. I always learn something from you even at my advanced age. Love that super tapping head - way beyond my budget... mega fast.! Nice Ruger t-shirt :)
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Ruger is also the name of my English bulldog. Thanks for checking in. Always good to see a comment from you.
Thanks Joe, so look forward to your vids, some of the most informative and useful on KZread. Please keep them coming 😀 (Band saw cutting speeds would be useful for me, I've just bought a Startrite 20s-1, so need to learn cutting steel/Alloy speeds etc)
Have enjoyed many discussions on lubricants, including your comments on using WD-40. Wanted to share an accidental find... I've never had much use for regular 3-In-One oil except for oiling my mothers sewing machine. A while back, I discovered that their lock lubricant was exceptionally weather resistant and have used it on outdoor locks. Just recently, I got some of their Garage Door lube in a spray can and, after using it on all the garage springs, chains and hinges, found that the overspray on my hands was very clean and "slicker than snail snot." Tried it as a tap lube as I manually started a tap on the lathe and found I could run the tap almost to the bottom of a center-drilled hole on a brass slug without so much as a squeak or indication of binding. I always finish the last bit of tapping by hand and even that didn't require constant backing out to clear chips. Now I'm confident enough to let the machine, at slow speed, run a 6mm tap almost to the bottom of a 1 inch hole and then finish it by hand. I don't own stock in 3-In-One but am now seriously considering it if it works equally well on stainless steel!
Wow! .......Absolutely friggin impressive! Thank you!
Thanks for your generosity !
Always great information, Joe.
Who's getting the chalk board finger nail torture in the background? eehhhhhhhhhh scraaaasaaatchhhh!!!
Great tutorial very interesting.
Great job as always Joe! I didn't know about the reversable center on the tap guide. Mine came with pointed side out. Thanks for the tip! I have a Grizzly Tapping Head. Not nearly as good as yours, but it somewhat works. Wondering if you've started using Form taps that push material, rather than cut. Very interesting, and make for stronger holes. Great tip on forming the channel for giving a little wiggle room for the part & give quicker safe handling for multiple holes!
Hi Joe ! Some nice and nifty tricks there - thx !
Lovely trick with the parts runner, using paper, blocks and vice. Will try this when I am putting holes in identical plates that I can slide as you did, so much faster than having to change vice positions or move the table etc. Thank you!
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
The table movement killed the job. I had to come up with something. This worked very well.
Alright! I enjoyed seeing the tapping head work. I'm retirement age and still have never bought one or used one. What a great invention. That was fun.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Expensive little suckers, but well worth it for a bazillion holes.
Sure glad I started learning stuff from you. I'm a dork for this, but I didn't think to turn the shank around on my tap follower to get a conical end on the other side. Just went to the shop and looked at mine; yup, there it is. It's the little things I pick up like this (and the springs holding the parallels apart in the mill vice) that make your tips great. Keep it up man, the more technical the better.
@stevewilliams2498
7 жыл бұрын
Dave Cross I missed the springs but know you mention it that explains why they didn't fall over
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. A lot of guys skip right over that tap guide detail.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
The springs also help keep chips out from under the parallels.
Do you have employees or work alone? You're wonderfully generous in sharing your knowledge. I truly enjoy your videos- many thanks for taking the time and going through the expense.
Very nice Joe. Thanks much.
Another great video and explanation! Thanks.
Hi Joe, That all worked pretty slick. Thank you M.K.S.
I’ve got two of those tapmatic attachments and they work great!
Thanks Joe. I don’t need an expensive tapping head but,the keyless chucks are a major time saver.Actually, I don’t even have a keyed chuck
Thanks, good video/info. Very useful .
in response to the comment on tapping nuts. Many years ago when small runs were required i.e. a few thousand, a girl was using a tap about as far as I can remember 12 inches long. The nuts in a sleeve about 18 she just ran the tap down ,stopped the drill press slipped the tap out of the auto chuck tipped the nuts off and ran the next lot. She was quick on piece work. Thanks Joe really like the demonstration.
Thanks Joe, I didn't know they made roll taps, I have seen "self tapping bolts that use that principle (looking at the end they look like a triangle with rounded corners used mostly on aluminum like lawn mower engine mounts) but didn't know they made taps like that. While I am thinking about it I always wondered why "Tap Magic" wont work an aluminum so they make a different formula for aluminum. and I thought you might like to know in a jam I have used bar and chain oil on drills and taps with excellent results.
fun watching , great piece of equipment .
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Real time saver.
Hey Joe, cool is about all I can say for Tapping head, its awesome and you didn't seem you were rushing at all. Thanks for the lesson on tapping God Bless Dave A
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That head is a blessing when a bunch of holes need threads. thanks for watching.
Joe As usual you are very good at describing the use of taps. It should be noted that when you have a class of thread specified you have to be careful of the hole size since there are sizes specified for that class of thread. Also thread form taps are nice because they do not produce chips but require lubrication and the hole size is rather important. They have charts for this purpose. Heat treated parts use .005 over size thread to prevent the shrinkage of the thread during heat treating. There are also left handed taps. Finally if you are cutting pipe threads sometimes under special size taps you can find a plug tap with the same pitch smaller in diameter then the pipe tap and then finish it with a pipe tap. Lot easier to thread. Charles Boston
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Good points. But 17-4 and 17-7 stainless are heat treatable and don't need oversize holes. Be careful about your blanket .005 oversize tap theory. Material growth/migration is driven by mass and volume and material type.
@charleskelley1672
7 жыл бұрын
I am familiar with die steels. A1,D2 etc. Nothing like making a die block, having it heat treated and not being able to insert screws in it. Thanks for the reply.
What a great lesson! Thanks!
I found that a 12 point socket with a 3/8" drive rachet that fits the end of the tap works well in tight spots. You can use an extension of different lengths. If I am tapping in the lathe I hold the piece in the chuck with it locked in place. then use a reversing gear wrench to drive it in and out and a live center to hold it straight. after I get it started I go to the socket and rachet
Hi Joe. Auto focus looks for three things. Center of the frame, Contrast and color. The color it looks for is the color of your skin. So to help the auto focus work better try pointing at the subject with your finger, or hold the item in your hand. I hope this helps. Keep up the good work.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Some of my problem is that its just me shooting these. If I had someone holding the camera, sweeping between shots would be easier. I can just move the camera in for tight shots, but if its on the tripod, I was hoping the zoom would cut it.
Great video joe . I used one of those tapping head 30 years . Using a 6 BA tap . I don't know why but I snap every tap . My boss was not happy . Before they sacked me I left and joined the army lol
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you made it back. Thanks for your service.
Way cool Joe. Many thanks
Great video. Explanations in this detail on any equipment or method are always welcome. I like those little t handles you made using cap screws. Speaking of knurled grippers for rotating small taps, have a look at a video I did called 'Tapping small holes'. I would post a link but I think the comments with links end up in the spam folder. Cheers
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Hello Crispin. those little t handles have many miles on them. Used in conjunction with the tap guide, gives you fantastic feel for the smaller threads. Having a positive stop helps too. I'll check out your post. Thanks for the comment.
Very much enjoy your videos. Thank You
That was great.
Awesome. Just the kind of stuff I needed to k now.
I'm a machinist working in Round Rock Texas and I just wanted to share that by far the best tapping fluid though little known is actually Crisco on all metals
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Round Rock is a great place to live. I live just down 620 a few miles.
Thanks for this series. I actually learned a few things. The regular Tap Magic says it will work on all metals including aluminum. We have an old can of the aluminum version at work work and it has a strong smell that doesn't come off you hands. Not sure if they've improved it or not. I haven't tried kerosene yet but I've heard a few people recommend it.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
It still smells onion sweet.
Good stuff Joe. Thanks.
My wallet cries every time i watch your videos. Not really complaining. Tons of good info. I thought i knew a lot about tapping until i watched these videos.
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
My wallet cries just before I shoot them. Thanks for watching.
Great demonstration!
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you
Nice one Joe P...👍👍👍
Really great video..!
I always enjoy your vids. I like to know the 'why' as well as the 'how', which you always provide eloquently. You've got to oil that rusty swing set we can hear in the background though :-)
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
The why is just as important as the how in my opinion. Thank you for your comment. That rusty swing set is my roof vents being influenced by a strong Texas wind. I have listened to that for so long, I don't even hear it anymore. I'll secure them for the next topic.
Most of the holes I drilled was 3\8 and larger up to 3". on coal mach. but I will remember... Mostly ONE of ,If I ever go bacl to work in a job shop shop...
Well, I'll be damned! I have the same spring loaded center guide as you and I had NO idea that I could change/adjust the spring OR flip over the inside part for the female conical end! (@13:55 in the video). Cool!
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Its a simple but very versatile tool. I have a bunch of springs for mine depending on the tap size and material combo.
Hi Joe , thanks for another excellent video ! The tap you used in the tapping head we call a GUN tap - why i can't say for sure but maybe because it shoots the chips out the end of the hole like a gun shoots a bullet out the barrel . The high spiral tap we call a machine tap - although you can still use them as hand taps you just have to watch out for the sharp swarf when turning the tap handle ! I wonder if it would be possible to re sharpen a blunt straight flute tap and convert it into a GUN tap ? You would of course need a T&C grinder but i was thinking that by grinding the the first 10 cutting teeth with a forward rake could salvage a tap and give it a new life .
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Your gun tap logic is correct. I also call these gun taps, but sometimes the catalog doesn't call them that. I have done the lead grind trick you mentioned. It will buy you a few extra parts on a dying tap.
you can also get a parallel pipe thread certainly here in the uk
thanks for the lesson and info,, good show ....
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
Power tapping on a manual Bridgeport always seems sketchy - it would be great to have you walk us through your quill/speed/pressure/direction control techniques, as well as talk about how big/small of a tap you can power tap like that. I've had good success with skookum taps like 1/4-20, but not with, say, a #4-40 or smaller. Tips?
High Spiral taps are normally called Spiral flute taps that like to break for any mistake. The spiral point tap is much tougher but not blind hole-friendly.
another great piece of Pie, thanks
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Little slice at a time.
Worth knowing is that there are wax rods that can be placed in blind holes prior to tapping. They provide lubricity and flush the chips out as the tap body advances down the hole and extrudes wax up the flutes.
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It makes sense.
@sirlurk_calot
5 жыл бұрын
You can use tapping grease to get the same effect.
Do a form tap! Maybe drive with dead center if you have the MT quick change holder
Try the two fluted gun taps. When you get up to the 1/2 size they are three fluted.. They are the best there is to be had.... I had a 1/2 x 20 gun tap that I had over 1000 holes taped with it.
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
When the hole geometry permits, I use them on aluminum all the time.
Professional grade instruction for sure. Tapping 101 and should be required by anyone before tapping there first hole. I had to learn a whole lot of this the hard way and still have the part with my first broken tap in it. :-(
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
I recently oop's a 3/4" diameter carbide tool in my CNC. I went to jog it up in the Z axis and it was set for Y axis movement. BOOM I kept it as a reminder too.
channel tapping... love it!!
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
700 holes.5.5 hours Gotta love those results. Just don't freehand tap unless the part is trapped like that. Very dangerous.
Great. Thanks!
I need to rob a bank to buy one of those tapmatics! Thanks for the demo!
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
You'll be glad you did. They are worth it.
Crisco cooking grase will work also , BUT flute clogging could be a problem. Bacon grease also. But oil is better.
You went over tapping fluids briefly, maybe go over them in more detail. I would recommend trying this stuff called "TVT Green" it's awesome, maybe try mixing it with mollydee.
would like one of those tapping heads as my mill doesn't have a quill. have bid on a couple on a certain auction site but so far no luck
nice set up demo Tks Will
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
That channel trick saved my ass. It worked like a charm.
Great video Joe, I'm curious to know if those Spiral taps will work in a similar manner if used by hand?
extending tap holders. for pullies etc,, Probably everyone watching this will already have one. Use the driver from a 1/4" socket set. and socket to suit. One of the first tools that youngsters buy.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Nice. I was never shown that one.
@unionse7en
7 жыл бұрын
12 pt sockets because 12 divides by 4...but 6 doesn't!
We always learn when we teach and research.
Joe. Have you tried Anchor Lube for drilling and tapping? I have found it works great on Stainless, and harder steels.
Good job, Mr. Pie.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
thanks.
plug and bottom tap are synonymous here in australia
@gregbrodie-tyrrell3473
7 жыл бұрын
Yup. We say "taper, intermediate, plug/bottoming." But that's just language...
Even torque on left and right or maybe break the tap or get a crooked thread.
Hi Joe, Nice creative trick there, inexpensive since paper cost next to nothing... lol cheers, Pierre
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
It offers just enough extra room to allow for that channel setup. Its quick and available. I was using hundred dollar bills, but I ran out.
@pierresgarage2687
7 жыл бұрын
Same here in Canada after they stop producing $1000 bills, just used my last one yesterday... :( LOL Still a worthy trick though... ;)
A 1/2" NPT tap (for instance) doesn't need a tapered reamer - an 11/16" drill will do admirably.
That was truly exceptional. You would definitely be accepted to Wylie E. Coyote University with thinking like that. Thank you.
@joepie221
3 жыл бұрын
A diploma I would display proudly.
I knew there was something in here i would learn. I dont want to saw off my fingers. 😀
try some rems cutting fluid/threading fluid its absolutely amazing for threading
Tapmatic? My daughter purchased me an automatic Tapper from the late 1800's that looks like an oversized drill press but has both distance and torque level reversing attachment built in to the headstock so it'll automatically shift into reverse at a preset length or a preset amount of resistance. I did have to install one of those newfangled devices called an electronic motor from the 1950's powered by these wee angry little pixies that come out of a socket in the wall to drive the leather belt.
You can actually make a straight flute tap into a spiral tap if you want to. I once tried to tap some quite tough steel with a carbon steel tap, and sure enough that thing was a spiral by the time i was done
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thats really funny. Thanks.
@daleburrell6273
6 жыл бұрын
Rob Mckennie Was that supposed to be a new twist(?)
Reduced shank short flute taps are often referred to as 'nut taps'.
I had no idea there was a cup on the other end.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I am sure you are not alone.
You do a jam up job reaching. Btw nice shirt👍
@bstevermer9293
7 жыл бұрын
Teaching*
Awesome well done with tap matic
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
If you can keep it from lifting and spinning, free floating a part is not a problem. Watch your fingers.
@mrayco
6 жыл бұрын
Joe Pieczynski my thumb always up for you ..with my. Respect.
Great video Joe, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Btw, does your camera have an auto-focus OFF setting?
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. My new camera only goes full manual for still frame shooting. It has several choices for video. I will get it figured out. I promise.
@fredgenius
7 жыл бұрын
Maybe use a cheaper, fixed focus camera for the closeups? I use a cheap gopro clone, sometimes a usb microscope, or boroscope. All have fixed focus so once you set it up you're done.
@joepie221
7 жыл бұрын
Good point. I bet someone complains if the fisheye coming back. You wait and see.
Is it possible to tap a hole at an angle, say, 30-60 degrees? I'm wanting to tap a cylinder head for mechanical injectors at an angle. I'm inclined to think a tap ground with tapered threads will passively align itself, but I'm starting to wonder if thread milling may be more practical. Though, I'm ready to consider filling the area with weld to properly anchor the threads.
@joepie221
3 жыл бұрын
Milling is an option, but so is an angled recess to assure the thread starts on a flat surface.
I'm a hobbyist with a small home workshop & had the chance to play with a tapping head several years back. It was old & had all the clutch setting markers worn off (scared me re tap breakage). How would you setup the clutch in this situation. A video on this problem might be helpful to more than just me. BTW, great videos, always relevant, thorough, yet concise - Thanks, Steve
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. For your problem, I'd find out the size range of your head, mark the rotational range of the clutch ring and apply the range to the number of tap sizes with marks on the head body. I bet it would get you very close to accurate.
@Fozziesoft
5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort you put into sharing your knowledge, both on the videos, and in your thoughtful replies to requests for guidance. Thank you for your help,
14:40 - Amazon/eBay (can't remember which) states a Brown and Sharp dual ( 2 piece?) action - can't remember the right words used, but it makes sense. I haven't pulled mine apart yet...
@diggumsmack2
5 жыл бұрын
Don!