You aren't seeing the gore-tex membrane on the inside, you are seeing the liner fabric (e.g. c-knit for Beta Lightweight and micro grid for Beta AR). I also believe the latest Lightweight iteration only weighs 12oz (medium). I think the Lightweight is 40Dx70D not 30D vs Beta AR 40Dx80D.

awesome review.. thank you for posting. Like the comaprison with the AR as well.

@Engearment

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! Really appreciate the kind comment!

Arc hits it out of the park with their fit. I'm 5'10" and between 230 and 245, and their XXL "fitted" allows me to wear my cerium or atom lt under my beta lt. I wish more companies understood that people around our size might actually have triceps and delts.

Great review as always. I picked up one of these Fall 2023 (I think it's the same one you are reviewing?) and use it as my backcountry shell, since it is so light and clean. Love it. And I loved the comment about the Arcteryx designers - my goodness no one's shells fit me better - unreal. Take care, glad you are back out there!

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

You are ahead of me on this and I love that! Glad to hear it’s been a great backcountry shell for you. Hope to see you out there!

@kadetang9988

4 ай бұрын

I believe it is slightly different, the Fall 2023 did not have the new epe environmentall friendly goretex membrane.

Love your reviews! Fellow Coloradoan/Native. ✌️

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Yay, Colorado, friend! You've got to love this state. What part are you in?

@user-dz6ci9gy9b

4 ай бұрын

@@Engearment Heck yeah! Absolutely! I’m in the Colorado Springs area and love to get out to easy, local trails a lot to hike, camp, and love snowboarding . Longer hikes and some 14ers I do in the summer, since I’m kinda an amateur lol

Your reviews are some of my favorite. Keep it coming. Unfortunately, this jacket wetted out on me in 15 minutes of light drizzle. Super disappointed, wanted to love this jacket and wear it to death.

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for the nice and helpful note. Major bummer on it wetting out. That is incredibly disappointing. I wonder if it’s a bad batch? Or the dwr failed? Whatever it is, it stinks. Sorry buddy.

do you think the lightweight will be durable enough under a pack?

Great video. Noticed any differences with the new membrane. Also the ar has a drophood and not storm hood

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! I have not noticed any difference in waterproofing. I did notice it is less noisy and more pliable. Which makes me happy. Good call on the Drophood. I missed that. I suppose that is due to the collar that is built in. Thanks for catching that!

@jaroslavbela677

4 ай бұрын

@@Engearment good to know about the membrane thanks. And in all fairness they do make an ar with the storm hood now.

@hanwagu9967

4 ай бұрын

@@jaroslavbela677 ...which shaves a couple ounces.

will you be doing a beta SV review? im interested to see if it's something I can wear in the summer in rainy environments

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Ohh that is a good idea. I do not have hands on the SV, yet. Let me see what I can line up. Thanks!

Ever used the kuiu ridgeline jacket? Curious the comparison between that and the Arc’teryx

@Engearment

Ай бұрын

Hello! I have used (and really like) many KUIU clothing but have not used the Ridgeline. Sorry I could not be of more help!

Great review. Any concerns about the DWR efficacy on this new Beta Lightweight? Quite a few reviews out there stating that the face fabric is simply not as effective at shedding water and can wet out pretty quickly.

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Hey there! Thank you for the nice note! I have not had issues with DWR on ePE pants and jackets that we have tested over the last year or so. I am not sure what products or the situations of the other reviews, so I can not honestly speak to their situations. But it has been fine with the Patagonia, Gore, and other brands we have used. I know some people will be reluctant to try the new WPB membrane, and for them, the Gore-Tex Pro shell is still available. Which has a proven track record with waterproofness and durability. Hope that helps!

@UnfortunateSon_

3 ай бұрын

I bought the new one. The dwr suckssssss man. I work outside for a living so my rain jackets get tested in the rain all day long. The new version wets out so fast it’s not even funny. The beta LT did not give me these problems. They still have the beta LT versions out there right now. I would pick up one of those instead if you’re looking for one.

Good review ! I almost bought the lightweight but decided on the straight beta version......interesting thing is with the new membrane the beta actually has a 80d all around fabric rather then 80 and 40 that the beta AR has. Ultimately the beta was cheaper then the beta ar and should be more abrasion resistant than the lightweight option so I think I chose the right thing! Oh also can you do a review on the northface summit series superior wind jacket? Just saw it today and it looks pretty sweet

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

Hey! Thanks for the fun note! I had not had hands on the regular version of the Beta. That is fascinating to know that it is 80D. I did see that is less expensive than the AR. Sounds like you chose wisely! I can ping our contact at North Face and see if we can get that lined up. Thanks for the idea! Take care

@hanwagu9967

4 ай бұрын

I contend your price comparison is in the wrong direction: the Beta is less expensive than the Beta Lightweight, not Beta is cheaper than the Beta AR. The Beta and Beta LW both employ 3L GTX ePE with C-knit backer, so the real difference is the 1.2oz having 80D vs combo 40Dx70D face fabric between the two. In contrast, Beta AR uses GTX Pro with micro grid backer, but more importantly GTX Pro doesn't have a PU layer that the GTX ePE has. This means GTX Pro doesn't require moisture to start breathing/venting. Also, the obvious point about denser face fabric reduces breathability. So, it's really your intended purpose. whether or not an entire 80D shell vice 40D mainbody with 70D in high wear areas is going to yield $100 excess abrasion resistance is debatable. i also forgot that the Beta doesn't have pitzips.

@Engearment

4 ай бұрын

@@hanwagu9967 In the USA the prices are Beta - $400, Beta Lightweight $500, Beta AR $600. Not sure if the prices are different in others areas of the world. Perhaps I dont have all the info for other regions. But you are spot on with the material differences. Personally, I like the lighter weight and less noisy Lightweight version. Take care!

The new Beta Lightweight is a downgrade to the LT. Not as breathable and the ePE wets out a lot faster compared to legacy non PFC free goretex/dwr.

@Engearment

3 ай бұрын

Speaking from experience or from what you read online? I ask because I have not had wetting out issues with the newer goretex over the last few years of testing. At least here in Colorado. I would love to learn more about your experiences with this WPB membrane.