Liking your vids! One small administrative detail, "Loosers" is actually "Losers".....

This "report" was absolutely fascinating, Steven. Thank you for thedetailed insight into the world of the archery dealer. Your knowledge of this arena is nothing short of amazing. Two thoughts (which you may dismiss as misguided or irrelevant): I believe you said that Hoyt is the only company in the United States developing and producing recurve bows. I think BEAR would have something to say about that. 2. Another archery company you didn't mention certainly has a presence in today's market, and that's SANLIDA. For example, its relatively new Hermit X10 ILF Hunting Recurve package includes a machined 6061 aluminum riser and foam/cross-carbon limbs for a remarkable $300 US. Hope you have a minute or two to respond. Best, Chris (Maine, USA)

Great video! Losers not loosers.

Just ordered my Reckoning Gen 2!! Can’t wait to get it set up and going!!

Love your videos, opinions, and insight. Not sure what the noise is over the intended audio but grrrr. ONLY sharing in case you are not aware. Definitely impedes understanding your review. Again, thank you. I know this is not a paid service and I wish I could visit Australia again, very nice people and I would make sure I purchased something, anything!

I Just ordered a hoyt stratos long wait but i think worth it. Great video very helpful thank you.

Happy new Year Bloks(?). Nice touch and on the fast growing industry, hobby, passion, social, pearsonal , and fast development through the bow. Nice leadership movies, and open minded views. Keep the flow going young man and team of workers. CN Homer Alaska

I can see you still have the Bowtech Insanity CPX 😏 I'm trying to get one in good condition... I've seen your review on it soooo many times... Too bad I'm in Portugal, just the shipping costs (not to mention customs) are terrible for a second hand bow but here we are, you have a great condition one and I'm on the other side of the planet "fighting" to get one... Regarding your reviews they are just top, top top... Hope you don't lose any supplier for honesty 😂 Great job Steven and great to see you full recovered 💪 Keep going.

I am not surprised at all🙏🙏 Cannot wait to receive my new Bowtech Reckoning Gen2 & hit the road🏹 Any day now! Thank you & Happy New Year Steve 🙏

@2ndAveScents

5 ай бұрын

What are you upgrading from?

@shelleyjames4329

5 ай бұрын

@@2ndAveScents my vintage Martin Jaguar 🏹 I had an 8year hiatus from archery, only shooting a few times in that 8 years while fighting breast cancer. Been building my strength back up the past 6 months shooting an archery buddy's Hoyt, now ready for my big girl bow🙏 Excitement is an understatement 🏹

@2ndAveScents

5 ай бұрын

@@shelleyjames4329 that's so awesome! I'm super excited for you, I've had my eye on the Reckoning 39 since they dropped and I've been wanting to shoot one but they never have one in stock at the only decent pro shop near Los Angeles smh. I'm really happy for you and hopefully you've licked that fight with cancer and put it away for good! Stay strong and please let me know how you like the bow. I'm still shooting my beginner bows (PSE Lazer and Hoyt Torrex) but I've bought a press and draw board and arrow building equipment and I'm ready to get serious this year about target and shoot at Vegas next year. I almost bought an SS34 but the finish was so crappy on it I held out and decided to go with a full blown target bow. Did you get the 36?

I just bought a couple Junxing off ebay/aliexpress, a m109 compound (the nightbird 'triangle') and a f171 recurve (black hunter with alloy riser). Being a total beginner (probably under 100 arrows), these two bows have been an amazing introduction to archery; with a price which if I choose not to continue, won't be much to the hip pocket - though I think I've found a new hobby for the time being.. BTW, I'm also from SA. EDIT: LOL I just realized that your review video (from like 5 years ago) of the triangle bow actually convinced me to buy one..

Excellent video!! It’s refreshing to hear an archery shop not push the flavor of the month! I’ve tried to like Matthews but just don’t like the feel etc. Matthews pretty much owns the hunting show shooters and the advertising here in the states. I guess that’s why people buy them. Good channel. Love your insight. Thank you! Take care .

Very interesting. There where some brands I had barely heard about. And yes, I think what brands the sellers has depends on where you are in the World. So yes, there is probably quite a difference from Australia to for example Denmark, where the sport is small. By the way - for me the design and the look of the bow, available camo options is also very important, so aside from specs that is also a parameter for me. Now I normally use camo even for my target bows (I don't participate in International target archery after all and in general I participate mostly in 3D archery, and target mostly for practice).

Thank you. That's some good content, this video. Nice to hear about Topoint making it big last year, let's hope for an even better next one. Will Joe/Joel (sorry if I got the name wrong - the other dude) make a comeback as a reviewer / content creator?

I will add that while I love my Triax..AND my Bear, i would love to have a bow that i dont need a shop to work on. I believe in supporting local shops but they are becoming extinct, and the ones that do exist seem to specialize in brands. So, like you point out, having my Triax worked on becomes a problem sometimes. We need to get over the one-brand only nonsense, its as arcaic as only serving coke OR pepsi when i pay $150 for a meal.

I love that you give the Chinese stuff a chance. I've been wanting to get a T1 or Trigon and EVERYONE is telling me I'm insane...but from people who have never had anything to do with them! Look I've been shooting for coming on my 3rd month, 50 arrows every day,.. but I may never be able to spend $1000 on a bow... the only downside I see is I want to get it tuned perfectly and it kinda feels like the shops that don't sell them...won't even touch them for a set up and that's just sad to me. It's literally keeping me out of the sport of bowhunting

Just about to buy a bow... your vid came up in the algorithm automatically.. I had been on your site before. In this video you mentioned your not seeing sales of hoyt. I was looking at a VTM 34 / Alpha X33. I was searching for a vtm 34 - which is a great price on your website.. I decided to go with Abbey, because they had more range on website and it is local to me. - I would of just ordered it all online if I could of, if figured i can get everything in one place and i will pay 200 bucks more for alpha x vs the VTM 34: FYI Items I wanted to buy: Stabiliser: Hoyt Stabiliser - $149 Sight: Spot-Hogg Fast Eddie XL MRT Double pin .019 fibre optic sight - $384 Rest: AAE Pro Drop Rest black - $241 Bow: Hoyt Alpha X 33 - $1960 Release: Spot-Hogg Wiseguy Release - $194 Arrows: Easton 5mm Full Metal Jacket shaft dozen (29 inch) - $249 Vanes: AAE Plastifletch Max Hunter vane 2.1" 100's - $28

Well I'm jumping on the fivics train aswell. Trading in my uukhas and gillo G1 riser this weekend for the skadi TX limbs. When it comes to looks only I gotta say the inno cxt limited edition is my all time favorite. Though I'll restrain myself from ordering one and stick to my gillo gt's 😂. I always get the feeling that Europe overlooks fivics too much. Price/quality they're in a perfect spot imho.

I have an Elite Verdict and love it however if I was in the market for a new bow I wouldn’t go past the Bowtech Reckoning gen 2 and would order one in a heartbeat.

Can’t speak for SA, but in the NT I know A LOT of people who are selling their Hoyts/PSE/Bowtechs etc and are all buying Lifts this year… Consequently, I picked up a 2yo Hoyt for $750, so, yay to Mathews!😅

@badlordboris6238

5 ай бұрын

Lift is a great bow, for an aluminium bow its making carbon bows look silly as much less cost. I do feel like Hoyt didn't do as well with their bows this year. Although the is something about the RX that makes me want one.

I agree with Mathews 100%. While its supposedly a great bow to shoot in USA, all other regions with limited or delayed access to it's accesories could have a lot pain with it. Might be a hassle to set up and to sell to anyone. Bowtech finally made me buy it when they introduced SD cam to their new reckoning. It should fit me perfectly, can't wait to try. Finally they have an options for short people. Elite was high on the list of possibilities too, some folks in my country got one and it's praised in general. Have shot Topoint target bow and it's really great for the price range it's in. Hoyt might have not be having such a wild time but I'd consider them ol`reliable for people that do not want to take risks and just have a great shooting bow, such as PSE.

@travistwwreck1535

5 ай бұрын

Well Urban have a roaring Business ,I see shitloads of Mathews at 3Daaa and ABA comps, so it cant be a FLOP can it. PS I dont like them and dont shoot them , but 100% disagree that its a flop in Australia when I see 10 mathews to any other brand at major Comps in Australia. Steve clearly has an issue with them , and as in the Past he will bag Bows or Company he has personal issues with. Like his attack at PSE last year .

I’m looking forward to the new Topoint bow to be released. Hopefully a few left hand bows sneak in to your container.

@chrisgorman1652

5 ай бұрын

I think the 36 ATA and the new shoot-through don't come in LH. But I'm really happy with the 38 Reliance (LH). The only thing I would say is to re-serve the cables. The wheels on the cable guide seem to chew through the factory serving.

@theweekendarcher2056

5 ай бұрын

@@chrisgorman1652 I have the Reliance in cherry red. It’s an awesome bow shoot.

Looking bad ass Stevd

Hoyt is awesome but the lac of tech and tunability in todays market does not hold up against elite and bowtech. Also the cams on the hoyt solits at 29,5 if Iam not worng had it been 28 to 30 it had been easyer cause thats the sweetspot for most archers. Great vid :)

@finq0997

5 ай бұрын

that's what really bothers me about the HBT cam and ultimately the reason why I stuck with the SVX (luckily!). Most people are around 29" +/-1", so with the 40" Stratos, you're either at the very end or the very bottom of the cam. They should've made three cam sizes with overlapping draw length ranges, so everyone can actually use the letoff and 1/4" DL adjustment features on the new cam. If I had gone with the small cam, I would've only been able to shoot it with 75% on the longest setting and had I gone with the #2 cam, I would've needed to set it at 70% or 65% (which is a lot more holding weight than SVX cam btw!) at it's shortest setting, where it's also super ineffienct and slow.

I don’t want to sound like a typical America vs China debate, our politicians do enough of that, but it will always be hard for an American company to complete price wise. Economic environments are just to different.

@46luskbrady

5 ай бұрын

True. Americans compete on quality and innovation instead

@Angel.Custodio

5 ай бұрын

@@46luskbrady for sure, but I was focusing on work standards, pay, etc. Bows in China can probably be made cheaper then the minimum wage is in the US, forget about the material cost.

@46luskbrady

5 ай бұрын

@Angel.Custodio of course they can. Especially if they are using litteral slave labour which isn't beyond the realms of possibilities

Free shipping to the States and you might have a deal on the Stratus

Surprised to hear about Mathew’s in the states there the cats 😻 meow🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@rwj3004

5 ай бұрын

Bc Americans run off marketing and social media. Mathews is the same bow every year. No tech to help ease tuning. Insanely expensive accessories and modules…but hey, chris bee and others on socials use them

@Muskiehunter92

5 ай бұрын

@@rwj3004 At least they pay their shooters and celebrate wins... unlike bowtech who fires 2 of their 3 pro shooters after barely a year. Mathews do lack in tuning, but they shoot incredibly well... I put my TRX38g2 and 36 beside my PSE's and its night and day. The mathews are a pleasure to shoot. Elite is making very shootable bows as well... I like bowtech bows, but I am displeased with their new marketing management. Not sure how screwing over 2 of the best shooters out there is helping them.... let alone when Mathews turns around and picks them both up. You can hate the marketing all you want, but its what makes archery grow as a sport. You need the Chris bee's and Levi morgans, kyle douglas, jesse broadwaters etc, etc.... Bowtech literally just broke into being a top tier target bow with their reckonings.... and then turn around and drop their pro shooters that put their bow on countless podiums .... the stupidity just boggles my mind.

Watching the finals Lancaster Archery Tournament both the Olympic Recurve and compound classes appeared to be less a contest and more who would make the first mistake (shoot a 9 or 10). While there is no question the archers were very, very good in both of those classes, it was still more or less simply one 11 after another. At the same time, the Barebow finals were actually fun to watch, less predictable, more of an uncertain adventure forcing the archers to shoot will with fewer items to "help" them shoot well. I will stick with Barebow and sell both of my compounds if I can get a decent price for either or both. My dream rig is a 25" CD Riser with high end limbs - not sure of the company at this time but have had very good success with the Win&Win Motiv C5 limbs.

@travistwwreck1535

5 ай бұрын

What top end sport isnt like that mate. You do realise the fking massive amount of practice the Compound shooters do to get and STAY at that level .

@eford7

5 ай бұрын

I know it very well having shot compounds myself (Prime Nexus 6 target bow and Bowtech Solution SS). I have a lot of respect for people who shoot that well and the work they put in to reach the level at which they shoot. I also know (personal experience) it is far easier to shoot a compound accurately using sights etc. than it is to shoot a Barebow accurately. There is a lot more forgiveness in shooting Olympic recurve and compounds than is available for Barebow or trad archery using sights, stabilizer bars and more (not to mention the let-off of a compound), none of which are allowed in Barebow. I like the challenge and I like the fact that with nothing to make things easier I have to focus on creating a very consistent shot process. That is also why I enjoy watching the Barebow competition more.@@travistwwreck1535

I'd like a new bow. Problem is... I'm a social club shooter. I don't need a new bow. What I have currently is fine.

@davefish8107

5 ай бұрын

I think that is the case for most archers. I shoot target and 3D compound. I have 4 bows and they are all 10 years old. Only the top archers change their bows every year or so and then because of sponsorship. I have 2 Hoyt pro elite from 2013 and the new ones don’t look too different so why pay £2K to upgrade

Another great Archery Brand is "SANLIDA". Theyr compoundbows are just crazy awesome...the new Dragon 10 is a real Homerun! Almost no need to buy super expensive American Compoundbows. Only exeption is, if one is a real fanboy of an american brand.

For target bow you like the glossy finish not a matt finish

Can you ship that TRX to the USA?

i know my reason why i did not change to a stratos from an invicta. As an invicta shooter with SVX cams i love the way the bow has a kind of agressive feel to it and i know most people who shot the invicta with SVX cams did as well. i took my dampeners off to make it even more foreward kicking and i love it. when i shot the stratos (with SVX) it just was to dead in the hand for me and the feeling what made the invicta so likable for allot of people is mostly gone even if you remove the dampening on it. then i tried the new HBT cam and it is even more dead in the hand than the SVX (witch is expected of course) but it just is not a typical hoyt feeling if you shot any of their previous bows. That is the reason i did not switch from invicta to stratos and know why more people did not switch. it was just because the feeling was "softer" than the bow they love.

That's odd that the Elite bow is 'high' priced, it's one of the cheapest here in the US. Why is everything in Australia so donkey backwards or upside down?

Price point better than elite or bowtech, try an Athens axis 33 and 35

@liamboyle9199

5 ай бұрын

I have been trying to get Steven to get some in😆

@SlimPickins_07

5 ай бұрын

I thought the new axis was about the same price as others flagship bows....?

@bradlauber9097

5 ай бұрын

Elites are more expensive. The Athens went up in price because of the adjustable axle

Fantastch i from Belgium your store it big no contact possible i like bow 30-40. 29 Axel -axel not lower or 40inch bow gewicht 2kg

Come to Melbourne you will see tons of Matthews and Hoyt Stratos, all you are talking about is gear that makes you more profit.

OK. New years resolution. No more. I'm convinced I could throw this guy further than I can trust his reviews! And I'm 65 years old! 🤣

Spray Paint cost in your favourite colour: $10. 😉

pro Tim Gillingham got did dirty by bowtech and went to Matthews. I'm not a Matthews fanboy I find them way overpriced kinda Hollywood now because of certain KZreadrs. I love bear bows PSE bows my son shoots bear and he can't shoot at the same target because it cost to much for arrows I shoot the PSE embark for deer hunting it want to get back into some 3D not sure if I want the PSE NXT 33 or maybe the bear Alaskan 33

Bowtech makes a solid product, especially their hunting bows, but they have to have made the dumbest business decision out of all the companies, dropping basically their entire Pro Staff except for Paige Pierce. Their contigency policy was questionable for years, but now their corporate greed will really hurt the company long term, just like it happened to Elite and Prime. Also, I personally don't like the fancy colors of the new Bowtechs or Darton AT ALL! Just absolutely not my thing. PSE have some great looking anodized colors, the powder coat ones are okay but it's not okay that it's not advertised as different finished and it also costs the same, regardless of color. Also, there are matt and glossy anodized bows of the same color, which is also weird. The Supra X is my favorite "new" target bow for 2023, but I also think it's too expensive and the price should be a lot lower than the Dominator DUO, not just 200€. It's a lot cheaper to build and lacks a lot of features like the adjustable cable guard, the shoot through riser or even stainless steel bushings on the back side of the riser, it's just tapped straight into the riser.

@ThunderEagle87

5 ай бұрын

So, I don't agree with how they handled Tim and Kyle at all. However, I talked to my local shop owner when leagues started this week. 95% of the customers that walk into his shop have no idea who Tim Gillingham is, let alone Kyle Douglass. I'm not sure of the overall value of pro shooters for your average archery purchaser, it's probably more than what the current Bowtech marketing department thinks it is, and probably less than what Tim thinks it is. All I know is that my Reckoning 36 Gen 2 is really the best bow I've shot, if any pro influenced me to at least try it, it was probably Paige, but that was to try it, once I shot it, it sold itself. I'm more than likely going to add a second one here soon. BTW, Bowtech has several non-fancy colors as well, it is nice they have options for everyone. My current one is the red with white limbs like in the video, I absolutely love the color, my next one will probably be the OD Green or FDE to potentially be used for hunting.

@finq0997

5 ай бұрын

@@ThunderEagle87 I saw two in the hunting colors at a tournament today (dark green and dark brown, I don't know the official names), they looked really good! And I agree, the Reckoning is a great bow.

I like the bowtech bows and their tunability..... but after what they just did to tim gillingham and kyle douglas, I wont be getting one any time soon.. and I was very close to getting a reckoning gen 2. I always wanted to hate mathews just because they were so popular... until I won a trx38G2 and could no longer deny they shoot incredibly well. Super accurate and a pleasure to shoot... They lack on tuning but once its done, its done. What I REALLY like about mathews is they take care of their shooters.... they are not afraid to spend money on the people that keep the sport of archery growing. Both on the target side and the hunting side. Infact, they picked up BOTH gillingham and douglas.... So you can never say mathews does not support its pros. They have a heavy price tag, but at least I know its going back into keeping shooters paid.... unlike bowtech, who says they are going to pay 300k into grassroots archery... which I can almost guarentee they wont... Whoever their new marketing person is has lost their mind or has no clue about archery. Its a tight community and when you screw over 2 of the top pros at the same time, people notice. Besides, they had the best deal going with Paige, tim and kyle... They only had to pay 3 people to get loads of podiums... other companies have to pay a boat load of shooters to get the same amount of podiums. ... Atrocious management over there.... The engineers are fantastic and I applaud them... but the big wigs need to learn that having 3 of the best shooters in the world on your side is a good thing.... Oh well... Go Mathews, Elite, and PSE...

@rogerhook8002

5 ай бұрын

As best I can tell, you have expressed a common sentiment. Bowtech, without a doubt, has framed a perspective of failing to treat people right. That never sets well with customers. I think they will suffer business losses far exceeding the cost of two well respected pros.

@dougking5703

5 ай бұрын

Who cares about Kyle Douglas and Tim Gillingham! It's between them and Bowtech NOT you. I love Bowtech bows

@stickboy9475

5 ай бұрын

Agree. if they treat their pros poorly by breaking their word, then customers will not be treated well either.

@dougking5703

5 ай бұрын

@stickboy9475 lol no. They had a contract and Bowtech was within their rights U guys worry about people u don't know and u don't see there's a 2nd side

@sheyanderson4371

5 ай бұрын

Bowtech made a legal business decision and it was the right one. I wished they had just rode them out, but understand why they didn’t. Tim and Kyle are good guys and great shooters but their cost wasn’t reflecting in sales. If roles were reversed, Tim and Kyle would’ve left Bowtech just as right and well. Some in the community need to quit kidding themselves. Target competitions and shooters don’t sell bows, hunting and recreation does. 90% of the archery community couldn’t tell you who won Vegas last year or who they shoot for. If you asked 10 shooters who a prominent person in the industry is, 9/10 would answer with a hunter. Levi Morgan and Paige Pearce are probably the only two target shooters that might actually sell bows but they are both heavily involved in the hunting community as well.

Mathews flopped? Urban can't keep them on the wall.

Well for 2024 you need to buy yourself a microphone. This phone quality mono sound is terrible

Things are different all around the world, Mathews dominate sales in the US 🤷🏻‍♂️

@rwj3004

5 ай бұрын

For the same bow yr after yr. Overly expensive components. Working/ tuning on compared to competition is a pain. Modules, etc

I really don't like the look of the Hoyt riser.

What is a “looser” bow? Are we trying to say “loser?” Why can’t people ever figure this one out?

If the best shooting bow in the world was ugly, hardly anyone would buy it .

Did you record this with a potato?

Youre not from America, so of course you dont unstated American made quality

@sveinnsveinbjornsson5086

5 ай бұрын

Of course good quality goods are made in USA not always the best. My 2 last off road SUVs were Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Toyota 150. The Jeep had a more powerful Diesel engine but came not close to the Toyota's off road capability. I am currently shooting a Gillo GT riser but also own a Kinetic Sovren riser. I shoot about the same with those bows (barebow) when using the same carbon limbs but the Gillo is unquestionably more quiet. I have also a "good quality" chinese limbs from Nika and Sanlida and I don't feel much difference between those and my Win&Win and Hoyt limbs. Maybe it is just my bad shooting with them all.

Here's my report on what bow won.........The Chinese rubbish I have a dealership for and can make bigger margins on and don't need to stock any parts hahahahaha. Forget the Mathews Lift being one of the best bows ever released because I don't stock Mathews, so they lose. And Hoyt are not good either because I don't have any current model stock of those either........ So yeah the two best bows on the hunting market are crap.....clown And yeah recurve is sick bro, not just for nerds wearing booties. HE ISNT A DISTRIBUTOR FOR THE BEST GEAR SO HE CRAPS ON IT. hahahahahaha. Never buying anything from this guys ever

@sveinnsveinbjornsson5086

5 ай бұрын

You must have been looking at a different video than I if that is what you heard Mr. Hann say. Or maybe your "Patriotism" is talking?

@badlordboris9938

5 ай бұрын

​@sveinnsveinbjornsson5086 open your eyes. May as well be Ali Express, promoting bows he buys for probably $100.00 to $200 made by slave labour. I'm Australia as well. I buy from shops that sell the good stuff

@chrisgaskell3706

5 ай бұрын

Troll!

@badlordboris9938

5 ай бұрын

@@chrisgaskell3706 I thought the video was a troll. The total lack of respect for real Archery brands Mathews and Hoyt just because the Sydney and Melbourne boys massively out sell him in quality product. He is there pumping out Ali Express imitation looking rubbish and laughing all the way to the bank on you fools.

@chrisgaskell3706

5 ай бұрын

​@@badlordboris9938 You have a problem with a video on what makes have done well in his business and why he believes certain brands have done well and why others may have failed? Why is this a problem to you? How does it effect you personally? You show nothing but contempt for someone who is continually giving insight to his business and for other people to consider his experiences. Manufacturers should look at what people like Steven and other retailers have to say, they are the ones who deal directly with their customers, not to do so is perhaps dangerous to their business. You seem to have the typical elitist attitude of looking down at people who do not use the 2 or 3k bows and associated equipment. Thankfully you are outnumbered by a factor of 1000's to one, so go take it out on your dog or your wife. We will continue to buy the Chinese budget bows and beat half you equipment snobs in competition.

*losers

Leave the bows that you don't sell out of your reviews. Your whinging about Hoyt and your ultimate hatred for Mathews is an ugly look on you, Steven. It's no wonder they won't let you be a vendor, and don't act like that's not true. The fact that you don't technically understand why Mathew's makes so many mods is probably another good reason you are not a vendor. Move on.

you shouldn't tell americans there is somewhere out there bigger then us.. we will probably find a reason to invade it.

"You're only recommending bows that you sell" ... well, yes. I assume that's why you're selling them.